Just ordered one of these (http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=172363). ;D
Bargain price Simon.. :thumb: .. Looks good to me.
Looks brilliant Simon.................I dont like the thumping music though :D
You just can't help yourself, Simon, can you. ;D
Typical man............ :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Quote from: Rik on Aug 15, 2008, 12:09:17
You just can't help yourself, Simon, can you. ;D
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I'm going to have to start flogging some of these 'surplus' satnavs on eBay soon, to try to recoup some of this blatantly irresponsible expenditure. (http://si6776.www.idnet.com/smileys/giggle.gif)
It's OK Simon, the country needs you...you are all that is stopping us from going in to a full time recession.. ;D
Quote from: Simon on Aug 15, 2008, 12:18:44
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I'm going to have to start flogging some of these 'surplus' satnavs on eBay soon, to try to recoup some of this blatantly irresponsible expenditure. (http://si6776.www.idnet.com/smileys/giggle.gif)
;D
I hope you've got a good deal on your electricity supply. :laugh:
This is the trouble with not being at 'proper' work. It's too easy to be indoors for deliveries. ;)
I know just what you mean. ;)
Quote from: Simon on Aug 15, 2008, 11:59:21
Just ordered one of these (http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=172363). ;D
Has this item changed?or was it always an Asus ee pc. I wonder if their any use, I was thinking about teenagers about and about on their travels
No, but price was a limited time event, back to normal price now. ;)
It looks a good deal Simon but you'll never be able to afford an Arcam Solo Movie if you keep splashing out on things like this.
Quote from: Inactive on Aug 15, 2008, 12:20:48
It's OK Simon, the country needs you...you are all that is stopping us from going in to a full time recession.. ;D
Which country would that be then In as they're probably not made in the UK !
Is anything? ;(
Quote from: john on Aug 15, 2008, 16:06:40
Which country would that be then In as they're probably not made in the UK !
True, but it gives Gordon a nice 17.5%. ;)
Quote from: Inactive on Aug 15, 2008, 16:20:52
True, but it gives Gordon a nice 17.5%. ;)
Yes but he then gives it to China or India (or Iraq/Afghanistan) >:(
Or Africa...
Quote from: john on Aug 15, 2008, 16:35:27
Yes but he then gives it to China or India (or Iraq/Afghanistan) >:(
True, but it keeps the wheels rolling John.. ;D
Quote from: john on Aug 15, 2008, 16:06:40
It looks a good deal Simon but you'll never be able to afford an Arcam Solo Movie if you keep splashing out on things like this.
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That's very true, John, but for the price of the Arcam, I could have about 10 smaller gadgets to play with! ;D
Simon. you are doing the country a favour, by just keeping the ecomony from going into official recession.
It's just my bank account which will be going into recession if I don't behave. No more spending for the rest of this week!
So that's tomorrow then? ;D
Well, my new toy arrived today, and I'm still finding my way round it, but have come up against my first problem, and that is, I can't get a wireless network connection established. I select the network from the list, put in the WPA key, and after a while, it just goes to 'Pending' and the log says No DHCP Offered. My laptop connects OK to my router, so I don't know what's going wrong. Anyone?
You mean your first new toy don't you? :)
Yes, but I still can't get it to work!
If you will dive in to Linux... ;)
There's an interesting comment here (bottom of page), Simon. http://www.trustedreviews.com/notebooks/review/2007/10/30/Asus-Eee-PC-4G-701/p2
Nice link. :thumb:
Thanks Noreen. Trouble is, it's useless to me without the wi-fi functionality, so if I can't get it to work, it will have to go back.
Another mention of wireless problem here http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10006278o-2000331777b,00.htm I don't understand it myself.
Also found this forum from that link http://forum.eeeuser.com/
Ubuntu supports the Atheros chipset on my laptop no problem. Don't even think about using Ndiswrapper to load the window drivers, its a nightmare. I know, i've done it.
Try turning off security on the router, or try wep encryption instead.
Oh and turn off any firewall that's running.
Quote from: Noreen on Aug 18, 2008, 18:55:08
Another mention of wireless problem here http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10006278o-2000331777b,00.htm I don't understand it myself.
Also found this forum from that link http://forum.eeeuser.com/
As usual, I wish I'd known this before I bought it! ;D I have found that forum myself, Noreen, but they seem to be a bit 'linux geeky', and tell you to search the forums if you dare to ask a question that's been asked before, rather than trying to help. Personally, I hate forums like that.
Quote from: Ted on Aug 18, 2008, 19:00:51
Ubuntu supports the Atheros chipset on my laptop no problem. Don't even think about using Ndiswrapper to load the window drivers, its a nightmare. I know, i've done it.
Try turning off security on the router, or try wep encryption instead.
Oh and turn off any firewall that's running.
The first part of that might as well be Chinese to me, Ted, but I don't really want to turn off the security on the router, as that would them compromise my other network connections (wouldn't it?). I turned off F-Secure, and also tried to connect with no security on the Eee thing, but to no avail. It's definitely seeing the router, but it's not receiving the DHCP, which I understand as it not receiving an IP address from the router. I could try a static IP setting, but how would I know what that would be, without the router assigning it first?
Don't think me rude, but I'm just off out, so may not see any replies till later. :)
I hope you manage to get it working Simon but the problem you are having is similar to the one I had when I tried Linux as I couldn't get it to connect to the internet either and eventually gave up trying. I too found the forums were not a lot of help.
I suspect the only way will be to install Windows on it. ;)
It will take XP, of course.
Yes, but that means buying another XP licence, making the cost of the unit over £200, which I wouldn't have paid for it. Also, it should work out of the box, and if it doesn't do what it says on the tin, and there's evidence that the issue is generic, I should really be returning it as faulty.
Indeed. Might be worth asking Diss first though as she got hers working.
With Linux? I'm wondering if it's router related?
Looking through the Eeeuser forum there seems to be a multitude of wireless issues with a variety of possible solutions. I suppose it depends on how much time you are prepared to spend on a product that should work out of the box. Some links at the bottom of this page http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:wireless_unexpected_stop
Quote from: Simon on Aug 19, 2008, 18:21:26
With Linux? I'm wondering if it's router related?
I thought so, but wouldn't swear to it.
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 19, 2008, 18:24:30
Looking through the Eeeuser forum there seems to be a multitude of wireless issues with a variety of possible solutions. I suppose it depends on how much time you are prepared to spend on a product that should work out of the box. Some links at the bottom of this page http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:wireless_unexpected_stop
Thanks Steve, but there are so many different 'solutions', with no guarantees that any of them work permanently, I really don't think I can be bothered, and am on the point of returning the unit. All this Linux command stuff is completely foreign to me, and I just haven't got the time, patience or inclination to learn it. It really makes you appreciate how easy Windows is!
Quote from: Simon on Aug 20, 2008, 00:38:19
Thanks Steve, but there are so many different 'solutions', with no guarantees that any of them work permanently, I really don't think I can be bothered, and am on the point of returning the unit. All this Linux command stuff is completely foreign to me, and I just haven't got the time, patience or inclination to learn it. It really makes you appreciate how easy Windows is!
I almost get the impression that the challenge with Linux on this machine is to get it working after that it becomes boring.
I just wanted something that I could use in the car to access forums, etc, rather than fiddling about with my phone, and that's what this should have done.
I did make a small step last night, by using Static instead of DHCP for the IP. I chose an IP address one up from the last designated device on the router, and it did then seem to connect to the router (although I was in bed, and couldn't be arsed to get up to see if the light was on!), as it said 'Enabled', but then it gave the message 'Link is down', so I was stumped again. The trouble is, it's asking for DNS settings, and I don't really know what I'm doing with all that stuff.
Does it ask for them in a dialogue box? If so, it should be straightforward just to type in the IDNet servers or OpenDNS.
From the forum, set a static ip address it needs to be outside of the dhcp range of your router Set the subnet mask and ip gateway - you get these from ipconfig /all on another computer. dns setting- use idnet's?
Sorry Steve, I get the rest, but don't follow the bit about the static IP address needing to be outside of the DHCP range of the router. Am I just supposed to guess one? :dunno:
That puzzled me too.
OK, I've done all except change the IP from what I had, and it's still coming up 'Link is down', and there's no light on the router, so it's obviously not connected. :(
Quote from: Simon on Aug 20, 2008, 11:07:45
Sorry Steve, I get the rest, but don't follow the bit about the static IP address needing to be outside of the DHCP range of the router. Am I just supposed to guess one? :dunno:
Dont know if this link will help Simon http://corz.org/comms/hardware/router/static.ip.address.php
Thanks Gary, it does explain some things, but it also says I need to disable DHCP on the router to enable a static IP, and I'm concerned about messing up the current settings for the laptop. I think what I might do is take this Eee PC out and see if it will connect to an unsecured wireless hotspot, and take things from there. Even if I get it to work here, with a static IP, that's not going to be much use if I'm not within range of my own router, is it?
Quote from: Simon on Aug 20, 2008, 11:28:41
Thanks Gary, it does explain some things, but it also says I need to disable DHCP on the router to enable a static IP, and I'm concerned about messing up the current settings for the laptop. I think what I might do is take this Eee PC out and see if it will connect to an unsecured wireless hotspot, and take things from there. Even if I get it to work here, with a static IP, that's not going to be much use if I'm not within range of my own router, is it?
I see your point, if you cant link to a hotspot its not much good, you can't ask Starbucks to disable their DHCP really :(
I wonder if it's possible to come at it from the other end by getting the router to give the Asus a static address?
Quote from: Rik on Aug 20, 2008, 11:36:21
I wonder if it's possible to come at it from the other end by getting the router to give the Asus a static address?
The router should be able to assign a static IP, Rik. I remember the 2700 had that option for devices you connected wifi on the BT firmware, but its a long time since I used one
I do it with my laser printer, Gary, so I know the technique works in Windows.
Sorry if I confused as I understand it the DHCP server on the router has a list/range of addresses that it will automatically allocate a connected device to i.e 192.168.1.33-192.168.1.66 So if you wish a device to have a static ip address you have to give it an address outside this range i.e 192.168.1.30. the rest of the devices can still be connected automatically via DHCP. One comment suggested looking at the router web page from another computer to see how the EEc Pc was connecting.
Quote from: Rik on Aug 20, 2008, 11:39:38
I do it with my laser printer, Gary, so I know the technique works in Windows.
I agree Rik, but this is Linux though :sigh: but it should i would have hoped be similar, Ted is one of the Linux masters so he would know possibly, but I confess it seems a lot of hassle and god knows what happens when you take the thing out to a wifi hotspot ???
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 20, 2008, 11:42:43
Sorry if I confused as I understand it the DHCP server on the router has a list/range of addresses that it will automatically allocate a connected device to i.e 192.168.1.33-192.168.1.66 So if you wish a device to have a static ip address you have to give it an address outside this range i.e 192.168.1.30. the rest of the devices can still be connected automatically via DHCP. One comment suggested looking at the router web page from another computer to see how the EEc Pc was connecting.
That makes sense, Simon could log it his router and see what's happening when the EEc Pc connects, but what about connecting to other wifi networks?
There is no sign on the router of any existence of the Eee PC. I have even just tried connecting via Ethernet, and it won't have it, saying "Connect (38,0): No such device." I assume this is referring to the VCI / VPI setting, which is correct. I'm about to email Expansys to return the unit, as I can't be bothered with all this. :mad:
Quote from: Simon on Aug 20, 2008, 11:57:37
There is no sign on the router of any existence of the Eee PC. I have even just tried connecting via Ethernet, and it won't have it, saying "Connect (38,0): No such device." I assume this is referring to the VCI / VPI setting, which is correct. I'm about to email Expansys to return the unit, as I can't be bothered with all this. :mad:
Watch out as they charge a restocking fee for "Opened software" Simon, even if its faulty I had a run in with them about that, but if its that much of a pain I would say enough is enough and get a Arcam toy ;D
I haven't opened the software, assuming it's the CDs they refer to, Gary. I have just completed an RMA request, and am about to email it to them. Shame, because it would have been a handy little gadget.
Quote from: Simon on Aug 20, 2008, 11:57:37
There is no sign on the router of any existence of the Eee PC. I have even just tried connecting via Ethernet, and it won't have it, saying "Connect (38,0): No such device." I assume this is referring to the VCI / VPI setting, which is correct. I'm about to email Expansys to return the unit, as I can't be bothered with all this. :mad:
Shouldn't be VCI/VPI, Simon, as that's on the 'phone side' of the router. I wonder if it needs a driver loaded for the ethernet connection, or whether we're back to a DHCP issue?
Quote from: Simon on Aug 20, 2008, 11:57:37
. I'm about to email Expansys to return the unit, as I can't be bothered with all this. :mad:
I can't say that I blame you Simon, I couldn't be bothered with all of that faffing around either.
It should have had a " Geeks Only " warning on the web page. ;)
That wouldn't be bad idea, In. People certainly need to understand that it's not like buying a Windows or Mac machine, and I suspect a lot do not.
Quote from: Simon on Aug 20, 2008, 12:20:38
I haven't opened the software, assuming it's the CDs they refer to, Gary. I have just completed an RMA request, and am about to email it to them. Shame, because it would have been a handy little gadget.
It is Simon so you will be fine :thumb:
Quote from: Rik on Aug 20, 2008, 12:25:22
That wouldn't be bad idea, In. People certainly need to understand that it's not like buying a Windows or Mac machine, and I suspect a lot do not.
When you spend that much time trying to get things to work you really do realise that Linux is more for and no offence meant here the dedicated hobbyist who has more time and patience than I would to get this up and running, it would drive me mad I think :(
How rarely these days do we use msdos commands within windows? Myself very rarely I have forgotten most of them. It appears to me (perhaps totally wrong )that unless you are familiar with the Linux command line structure you are going to struggle to get this device or similar to function if it fails to perform as intended.
I agree, Steve. I think you've got to be prepared to read up on Linux.
But surely a computer of this type should at least be able to connect to the net, without too much difficulty, or am I missing something?
Quote from: Rik on Aug 20, 2008, 12:50:05
I agree, Steve. I think you've got to be prepared to read up on Linux.
Once you grasp the command lines im sure it falls into place but Apple and Windows in thier present incarnations have spoiled us with ease of use, which also gives us all the issues of security as well, Linux is much safer in many ways, but not ideal for every day use unless you have spent the time learning it, then I assume its relatively easy
Quote from: Inactive on Aug 20, 2008, 12:53:36
But surely a computer of this type should at least be able to connect to the net, without too much difficulty, or am I missing something?
That's the point, In. I have to say, much of the dialogue is very 'Windows like', and had it connected, I could have happily used the basic web and email functions without any trouble. It's when you think you want to install a program, and quickly gather it's just not that simple, that you realise just how easy Windows is, and that Linux is indeed, for geeks.
As I said, it's a shame, because it's a nifty little device, and had it had Windows on it, I suspect there wouldn't have been the networking problems, but then it would probably have cost almost twice the price. I'm still half tempted to try to install XP on it, but I doubt they would accept a return after that, and I don't want to go to the additional expense of buying an XP license either.
Quote from: Simon on Aug 20, 2008, 13:08:39
Linux is indeed, for geeks.
Nobody's called me a "geek" since i stopped biting the heads off chickens, but i'll take it as a compliment anyway :thumb:
Sorry Ted, nothing personal, and no offence meant! (http://si6776.www.idnet.com/smileys/red-face.gif)
I've actually made another small step this evening, after requesting an RMA from the vendors, and I have managed to get connected to the internet, but only by disabling security on the router. Stupidly, I only disabled it on the Eee PC before. So, after that, I have been trying all different types of passwords, from the simplest alpha numeric 8 character, to the more secure WPA-PSK 63 character ASCII passphrase that I usually use. With security enabled, the Eee PC just won't connect. So, it seems we have found the root of the problem, but is there a solution?
Oh, and to add to the above, it also works with WPA, so it's just WEP that seems to be the problem. :(
Quote from: Simon on Aug 20, 2008, 22:39:52
Sorry Ted, nothing personal, and no offence meant! (http://si6776.www.idnet.com/smileys/red-face.gif)
I've actually made another small step this evening, after requesting an RMA from the vendors, and I have managed to get connected to the internet, but only by disabling security on the router. Stupidly, I only disabled it on the Eee PC before. So, after that, I have been trying all different types of passwords, from the simplest alpha numeric 8 character, to the more secure WPA-PSK 63 character ASCII passphrase that I usually use. With security enabled, the Eee PC just won't connect. So, it seems we have found the root of the problem, but is there a solution?
No offence taken here Simon, just my attempt at humour (which you may recall doesn't always go strictly to plan) :blush:
My suggestion to turn wireless security off was only meant as a temporary measure, as a diagnostic for the problem.
Sorry, are you saying it works with WPA enabled but not with WEP enabled? Very strange. In the past i've had the very opposite happen beacause i didn't have WPA supplicant installed, Guess what, it didn't work even after i installed it. :mad:
Sorry Ted, I got it the wrong way round. It works with the WEP, but not with WPA. :blush:
What I was thinking is, if I can get online with WEP enabled, I wonder if there's some sort of download somewhere to fix the WPA issue? Not being familiar with the Linux community, I wouldn't know where to start looking.
Quote from: Simon on Aug 20, 2008, 23:47:05
Sorry Ted, I got it the wrong way round. It works with the WEP, but not with WPA. :blush:
What I was thinking is, if I can get online with WEP enabled, I wonder if there's some sort of download somewhere to fix the WPA issue? Not being familiar with the Linux community, I wouldn't know where to start looking.
A ha! that does make more sense :thumb:
You could try and install WPA supplicant (it didn't work for me) not sure of the correct package name, try a search in the software installer.
To be honest i find it hard to believe that you would need to do this with a machine that was obviously meant for portability and internet access in todays ever growing security conscious world.
BUT!!!
This is what I find annoying, Ted, and is the main reason I'm thinking of returning it. It should work out of the box, and it clearly has a problem with WPA, which is there as an option, so to my mind, that counts as a fault. However, if I can find an easyish fix, I would be happy to try it, but I have yet to find out how to install anything on it, and haven't even managed to get the Advanced Desktop up and running yet, due to the connection problems, and why the hell that isn't already installed, also baffles me.
It seems that I can access an unsecured wireless network, so it may actually be OK for what I want it for, which is for use when out and about, but not to be able to use it at home would be intolerable.
You could attach another wireless router which has the NAT and DHCP turned off and a static IP set to your existing router and use whatever encryption works with the Eec,If worried about security turn it off when not being used. I have done this with a Linksys WAG54GS as the wireless performance is better than the 585v6 it also gives me two wireless access points so I can spread the traffic across both devices.
I'm actually getting somewhere with it. I now have Advanced Desktop installed, and am connected via WEP, so all I need to do now, is find a way to fix the WPA. :)
Though, if you won't use it much at home, it might not be so important?
How's the other new toy? :)
It will annoy me if it doesn't work properly, Rik, and if I need to configure it at home, it will be a pain to keep having to switch from WPA to WEP.
The Arcam is wonderful, but I've had to do some jiggling about to get it to fit into the cabinet, and the configuration now, is not as ideal as I would have liked. Need a custom built cabinet really, but they come at a price.
Sounds like a little DIY job for the weekend then? ;)
Quote from: Simon on Aug 21, 2008, 11:30:23
The Arcam is wonderful, but I've had to do some jiggling about to get it to fit into the cabinet, and the configuration now, is not as ideal as I would have liked. Need a custom built cabinet really, but they come at a price.
Been there...T Shirt...it took me ages to find an ideal cabinet Simon...I got one eventually.
Tapley (http://www.tapleyelements.co.uk/index.htm) furniture can be very flexible.
Impressive Rik, :thumb: looks like a Spanish Furniture shop, they all sell similar units, great idea.
I had a gorgeous purpose built HIFI cabinet, glass and tubular thing from Richer sounds, end of line so cheap ish but it was worth it, and with proper feet isolated the Roksan Radius turntable from vibration. I miss that set up :'(
Quote from: Inactive on Aug 21, 2008, 11:52:19
Impressive Rik, :thumb: looks like a Spanish Furniture shop, they all sell similar units, great idea.
We bought into Tapley when we moved here, and it's been very flexible for us. As equipment has changed, I've been able to add or change units to accommodate it. (And they allow for people having wires coming out the back!) It's well made stuff too.
Quote from: Rik on Aug 21, 2008, 11:59:33
(And they allow for people having wires coming out the back!)
:clever: Shame others don't follow their example.
They're a nice company to do business with, In. If you move, they will send you a new set of screws and wall plugs for the fixing brackets FOC. They also send out small quantities of stain if you damage a unit. Everything has been thought about, and they listen to customer feedback. Now, who does that remind me of... ;)
Quote from: Rik on Aug 21, 2008, 12:14:35
They're a nice company to do business with, In. If you move, they will send you a new set of screws and wall plugs for the fixing brackets FOC. They also send out small quantities of stain if you damage a unit. Everything has been thought about, and they listen to customer feedback. Now, who does that remind me of... ;)
Gordon Brown? ;)
Not quite who I was thinking of, Gary. :)
Quote from: Rik on Aug 21, 2008, 12:33:39
Not quite who I was thinking of, Gary. :)
:evil:
Quote from: Rik on Aug 21, 2008, 11:46:04
Tapley (http://www.tapleyelements.co.uk/index.htm) furniture can be very flexible.
Sorry to interupt but I cant find the Beaver in this link :angel:
It's hibernating, David. :)
Sorry but who's beaver are we talking about.
Tapley's, Steve.
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 21, 2008, 16:35:17
Sorry but who's beaver are we talking about.
:rofl: You took your time Steve >:D
Been using this gadget (http://www.revo.co.uk/digital-radio/revo-blik-radiostation.php) for about 6 weeks now. I quite like the shape of it but how does it perform? As an alarm clock it has multiple settings for time of day,weekday or weekend, the alarm tone can be any function you wish. It produces a very reasonable sound for a small device the extra functions work well i.e DAB radio , FM and the miniport to plug your MP3 player in. I was a bit dubious about the internet radio but once you been to relevant website on your PC and selected your preferences/playlist they are downloaded to the unit so you don't have to scroll through the thousand others. The UPNP and media streaming is the tricky bit, finally sorted today by a reset ,a change of router and a read of the manual. It will happily play streamed MP3 files via windows connect (WMP) or twonkymedia player(unsupported client but works) AAC or M4A files no luck. I use the Windows Home server as the media server but any PC with WMP will do.
Looks cool, Steve. :thumb:
Sue says I don't need another toy. :'(
As long as Sue doesn't need another toy, you should be OK.. ;D :out: :duck: :duck: :duck:
I can't think what you mean, In. :angel:
Surely Sue's allowed toys? even if you have to buy them, I am always buying my wife new toys,she wanted an new alarm clock so I purchased one.The rest of it she's unlikely to discover.;D
That's the best way, Steve. ;)
I want one of these (http://www.meridian-audio.com/p_g95.htm)
Review here (http://stuff.tv/review/Meridian-G95/).
All I have to do now is to raise the £4000 to buy it :(
Sorry John, for £4000, I would expect a unit to look a bit more stylish than that, it looks like a cheapo Freeview Unit to me, 4 screws visible in the top . :eek4:
I am sure it " does the job " very well, but they really need to employ some better designers IMO.
The design doesn't bother me In, although I would have preferred a more symetrical front panel and I would also have expected it to be able to play Blu-Ray disks for the price. But that wouldn't stop me buying one if I had the cash to spare.
Quote from: Inactive on Aug 31, 2008, 01:08:18
I am sure it " does the job " very well, but they really need to employ some better designers IMO.
Meridian started life as Boothroyd Stuart, In. Stuart is the technical genius behind the products, Boothroyd is a designer. He produced a remote control that is 7" square and requires two hands to lift! I've not been impressed by his work outside the company either. However, Bob Stuart's electronic designs are superb, and for the sound, I'll live with the case. :)
Fair enough John / Rik, however I would at least want something that looked the part before spending that amount.
It doesn't take a genius to hide 4 screws, even MFI can, and often do. ;D
Quote from: Inactive on Aug 31, 2008, 10:00:38
Fair enough John / Rik, however I would at least want something that looked the part before spending that amount.
It doesn't take a genius to hide 4 screws, even MFI can, and often do. ;D
Yes but with MFI I am never sure where to put the screws left over
Quote from: Inactive on Aug 31, 2008, 10:00:38
Fair enough John / Rik, however I would at least want something that looked the part before spending that amount.
Boothroyd (can't remember his first name) likes to show the functionality of things. He's the kind of person who would design the Lloyds Building. :(
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 31, 2008, 10:02:54
Yes but with MFI I am never sure where to put the screws left over
You have mine Steve, I am always a few short. ;D
Quote from: Rik on Aug 31, 2008, 10:03:37
Boothroyd (can't remember his first name) likes to show the functionality of things. He's the kind of person who would design the Lloyds Building. :(
Right, a Tupperware Box would look better than that case...sorted. ;)
Plastic is no good, though, In. It would have to be a stainless steel Tupperware box. :)
He must have been trained at Meccanno ( sp ). ;D
Having met him, I'd say RADA was more likely. ;)
Oddly I quite like the industrial look, but thats just me, some of my old NAD stuff looked plain and functional with no frills, and some older Arcam amps look very similar
That says it all then Rik.. ;D
Quote from: Gary on Aug 31, 2008, 10:21:39
Oddly I quite like the industrial look, but thats just me, some of my old NAD stuff looked plain and functional with no frills, and some older Arcam amps look very similar
Fair enough Gary, but this thing looks like a cheapo Tesco Freeview Receiver to me.
It wouldn't when you paid the bill. ;)
Quote from: Rik on Aug 31, 2008, 10:23:44
It wouldn't when you paid the bill. ;)
and it would sound amazing, if my ears could actually could hear the difference these days :(
It's often the case (pardon the unintentional pun!) that high end audio equipment concentrates more on the performance of it's electronics than the box that it's in which is usually utilitarian.
This Krell FBI (http://www.highendpalace.com/14070.jpg) integrated amp costs over £15000 and I'm sure there's stuff much more expensive than that particularly some of the very esoteric valve amps.
There's a sort of inverted snobbery at the high end of the market it seems, John. A kind of "We sound so good we don't have to make it look good" attitude.
Quote from: john on Aug 31, 2008, 10:29:10
It's often the case (pardon the unintentional pun!) that high end audio equipment concentrates more on the performance of it's electronics than the box that it's in which is usually utilitarian.
This Krell FBI (http://www.highendpalace.com/14070.jpg) integrated amp costs over £15000 and I'm sure there's stuff much more expensive than that particularly some of the very esoteric valve amps.
I remember seeing a Krell that cost £30,000 it looked like a cross between a heatsync and something from from doctor whos tardis, it looked fantastic I thought :)
Straight out of Meccano .. John.. ;D
Quote from: Rik on Aug 31, 2008, 10:23:44
It wouldn't when you paid the bill. ;)
Perhaps I'm a philistine but I've only got two ears, and I find plain old stereo more than enough, spec if it's LOUD
Quote from: Rik on Aug 31, 2008, 10:30:56
There's a sort of inverted snobbery at the high end of the market it seems, John. A kind of "We sound so good we don't have to make it look good" attitude.
Well Kate Moss pulls that look off after party, Rik
Quote from: talos on Aug 31, 2008, 10:32:09
Perhaps I'm a philistine but I've only got two ears, and I find plain old stereo more than enough, spec if it's LOUD
I'm not a big fan of surround sound myself, Bob, preferring good stereo. I think SS only really works if you dedicate a room to it.
Quote from: Gary on Aug 31, 2008, 10:32:22
Well Kate Moss pulls that look off after party, Rik
Luckily, I've never had the experience, Gary. ;)
Quote from: talos on Aug 31, 2008, 10:32:09
Perhaps I'm a philistine but I've only got two ears, and I find plain old stereo more than enough, spec if it's LOUD
" Stereo ", does that mean people make stuff with more than one speaker, what will they think up next?... ;D
Binaural? ;)
My cells are at the bike shop being charged Rik.. ;)
Happy days. I remember having to buy high and low voltage batteries for portable radios back in the 60s, and sitting in the car swivelling the radio to keep the signal...
Here you are In just for you, The Ultrasound Otello Integrated Amplifier (http://www.higherfi.com/amplist/ultrasound_Otello.jpg), No visible screws (as far as I can tell), yours for a trifling $600,000.
Pure class John ;), no need for central heating either. ;D
I'd like one just to look at, John. :)
Have to say, the Meridian looks don't do it for me either, and I'd rather have the Arcam Solo Movie (http://www.arcam.co.uk/prod_solo_movie_intro.cfm) for half the price. :)
Well, you are an Arcam fan, Simon, so I'll forgive you. ;)
Sorry Simon, that looks like a mid nineties Sky Receiver to me. ;)
So, what's your ideal then, In?
I like the Scandinavian simple look Simon.
Any particular brands? Has to be black for me. I've never understood why people liked silver equipment. :)
Something like this Simon.
http://www.lavardin.com/lavardin-a80refE.html
Minimalist and neat - how does it sound?
No idea Rik. ;D
Quote from: Inactive on Aug 31, 2008, 13:15:45
Something like this Simon.
http://www.lavardin.com/lavardin-a80refE.html
Gone full circle, back to uncovered screws
There's a line there, but I'd only get myself in trouble. :)
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 31, 2008, 14:51:58
Gone full circle, back to uncovered screws
Indeed .. but they are part of the minimal design, not an afterthought. ;D
Quote from: Inactive on Aug 31, 2008, 15:24:15
Indeed .. but they are part of the minimal design, not an afterthought. ;D
I can imagine the thought processes :
"right we've made this unit that sounds great but what's missing, oh I know we need to have some screws showing on the top to give In something to have a go at us over" ;D
Quote from: john on Aug 31, 2008, 15:31:58
I can imagine the thought processes :
"right we've made this unit that sounds great but what's missing, oh I know we need to have some screws showing on the top to give In something to have a go at us over" ;D
As if John.. ;D
You know In too well, John. ;D
Quote from: Rik on Aug 31, 2008, 15:46:38
You know In too well, John. ;D
I think we all do Rik :out: :hide2:
Quote from: john on Aug 31, 2008, 15:52:10
I think we all do Rik :out: :hide2:
Now you know what that is going to end in dontch'a John.. :buttkick: :buttkick: ;D
In a poll? ;D :out:
Quote from: Rik on Aug 31, 2008, 15:57:43
In a poll? ;D :out:
You can have one as well for that.. :buttkick: ;D
:ithank: ;D
Quote from: Inactive on Aug 31, 2008, 15:54:12
Now you know what that is going to end in dontch'a John.. :buttkick: :buttkick: ;D
But I'm a masochist In ;D
Quote from: john on Aug 31, 2008, 16:30:08
But I'm a masochist In ;D
Amongst other things, I hear John.. ;D :whistle: :hide2:
OK, Who's been talking !!! :mad:
;D
Well this little bird came up to me and said " you know that John on IDNetters. yes says I..well.................. ;D
Quote from: Inactive on Aug 31, 2008, 16:53:47
Well this little bird came up to me and said " you know that John on IDNetters. yes says I..well.................. ;D
Your far too gullible then In, birds are notoriously untrustworthy ;D
Especially magpies, you have to keep your jewels safely hidden. :whistle:
Quote from: Inactive on Aug 31, 2008, 13:15:45
Something like this Simon.
http://www.lavardin.com/lavardin-a80refE.html
They do say the best stuff is the stuff you've never heard of - so that must be brilliant! Is the brand name supposed to be a pun? Love-a-din! ;D
:rofl: Trust you.. ;D
Quote from: Rik on Aug 31, 2008, 17:40:50
Especially magpies, you have to keep your jewels safely hidden. :whistle:
I ALWAYS keep the family jewels hidden :eyebrow:
Quote from: john on Aug 31, 2008, 15:31:58
I can imagine the thought processes :
"right we've made this unit that sounds great but what's missing, oh I know we need to have some screws showing on the top to give In something to have a go at us over" ;D
The visible screws are I think an effort to make you think how well made this unit is, not so long ago at the cheaper end of the market, the plasticky units had imitation visible screws moulded into the case.