The auto Download of XP SP3 and Vista SP1 have been halted due to a compatibility issue with Microsoft Dynamics RMS, details here (http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1368&tag=nl.e589)
Thank goodness the direct download link is available. ;)
Quote from: Sebby on Apr 29, 2008, 20:55:23
Thank goodness the direct download link is available. ;)
The article recommends that you don't do it that way.....but they would say that Sebby to cover themselves, odd how it affects the same software issue on both Vista SP1 and XP SP3 ;)
Well, it's identical to what will be released on the Download Center over the coming days/weeks, so I see no reason not to if you want to install it. :)
Quote from: Sebby on Apr 29, 2008, 20:59:59
Well, it's identical to what will be released on the Download Center over the coming days/weeks, so I see no reason not to if you want to install it. :)
Its because its the whole version not just the one that your pc needs, the update version is much smaller, for me Vista SP1 was 66mb, probably MS trying to cut down on server costs :whistle:
Well yes, you're right that the "network install" includes everything, whereas the update version updates the necessary components, but it makes absolutely no difference to the end result either way.
The network install is the way I do it because it saves doing the Windows Update on several computers, and it allows me to slipstream. :)
Quote from: Sebby on Apr 29, 2008, 21:07:15
Well yes, you're right that the "network install" includes everything, whereas the update version updates the necessary components, but it makes absolutely no difference to the end result either way.
The network install is the way I do it because it saves doing the Windows Update on several computers, and it allows me to slipstream. :)
Its a good way Sebby if I need to install again from scratch I would do the same, from the article it looks like Vista SP1 is being left on as a optional download where as XP is pulled completely, typical MS can't get a service pack to work with their own software ::)
:lol:
Even more, Gary, typical MS that they didn't test it before announcing the release date! ::)
Obviously beta testers didn't spot this one. :P
As a beta-tester, I can understand how things get through, and the problems only show when a package hits the streets. In this case, though, MS seem to have picked it up themselves, which suggests that they didn't chose their beta testers well.
Quote from: Rik on Apr 30, 2008, 09:37:25
As a beta-tester, I can understand how things get through, and the problems only show when a package hits the streets. In this case, though, MS seem to have picked it up themselves, which suggests that they didn't chose their beta testers well.
They use the public for beta testing surely, Rik >:D
Interesting Gary :thumb:
Must admit, I do find it amusing that the incompatibility is with their own software. Find it hard to believe that when developing something, it isn't developed with their own software in mind from the start :)
Quote from: Sebby on Apr 30, 2008, 09:24:44
Obviously beta testers didn't spot this one. :P
I thought the customers were the beta testers. :whistle:
Quote from: Simon on Apr 30, 2008, 09:49:31
I thought the customers were the beta testers. :whistle:
That's what I said Simon ;D
Quote from: madasahatter on Apr 30, 2008, 09:48:28
Interesting Gary :thumb:
Must admit, I do find it amusing that the incompatibility is with their own software. Find it hard to believe that when developing something, it isn't developed with their own software in mind from the start :)
I know, I can understand with all the myriad of other products but not their own, just goes to show how overly complicated things are becoming
Quote from: Killhippie on Apr 30, 2008, 09:52:00
I know, I can understand with all the myriad of other products but not their own, just goes to show how overly complicated things are becoming
..... or the left deveopment team not passing all the information on to the right development team.........
Microsoft with something right? Surely not?? :eek4:
Quote from: Rik on Apr 30, 2008, 09:37:25
As a beta-tester, I can understand how things get through, and the problems only show when a package hits the streets. In this case, though, MS seem to have picked it up themselves, which suggests that they didn't chose their beta testers well.
I meant it as MS don't do much testing themselves, they rely on beta testers, which won't always highlight every issue.
I agree, Sebby, but MS should have chosen their beta testers to get a full range of compatibility tests done. It sounds like their project management is flawed.
Ding ding - round 2:
SP3 second try (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/06/windows_xp_sp3_updater_release/)
It would be funny if it wasn't so... hilarious. ;D
I've updated this PC this morning and all seems well :fingers:
Quote from: mogden on May 07, 2008, 14:20:54
I've updated this PC this morning and all seems well :fingers:
that's good Mogden- at least we know the new one works :)
Keep us posted, Moggie. :)
Several people on the American forum to which I belong have installed SP3 with no apparent problems, however this link re IE7 was posted which may be of interest. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20436748-XP-SP3-and-IE6-IE7-IE8-Beta-Important-Information
That could trap the unwary, thanks, Noreen. :thumb:
I've installed it on 3 PCs with no problem at all. I slipstreamed it into the XP installation on my PC. :thumb:
Don't know how I missed this thread otherwise I might have waited a while longer but out of character (I usually wait a while before installing big updates) I've down loaded XP SP3 a couple of hours ago from the MS website, it took about 30 minutes to complete, no problems. Have tested quite a few applications I use regular and so far everything seems to be running ok but will see how things go next few days. :fingers:
So if we don't hear from you for a while, Brian... :)
To be honest, there shouldn't really be any problems with SP3, given that it's mainly just a collection of hotfixes (with the exception of Microsoft's RMS - no idea what the problem is there!).
Using RMS is enough of a problem in itself, surely? ;)
:rofl:
I wouldn't know, but I'd imagine so. :P
Installed this afternoon. Nothing unusual to report so far other than Commodo keeps asking for permissions which is pretty normal I guess.
Will post further if anything detrimental comes to the fore.
Well - before anyone else plays maverick - just a reminder that SP3 RC2 forced me to re-install my system.
I've taken teh patient route with my main system now, and will wait until SP3 hotfix 5 is out :)
But, not to be completely in the dark - since PC2 is a clean install anyway - I've installed SP3 there.
Steve
Oh joy, oh rapture.
Updated missus' laptop and found that the update totally removed outlook express together with all files/folders. Doing a sys restore now with fingers crossed. If it doesn't restore then I'm emigrating .... like rapidly.
More later if I'm still in the country which is dependent on 'er indoors trying to find the email folder.
Bl**dy microsoft with its half baked updates!!! :rant2: :rant2: :rant2:
Ouch. :(
Breathing again.
Sys restore worked!!!!!!!
Now switched off updates on the laptop and will put up with the nagging from MS tho. I do half remember being able to stop the nagging but I can't be ar*ed at present to work it out.
All a bit strange really 'cos the update on my main 'puter worked a charm with no probs, YET.. :eek4:
2nd thoughts, I could have removed SP3 thro. Add/remove progs but doubt whether this would have resurrected outlook express.
Strange, but glad you sorted it. :thumb:
Control Panel > Security Centre > Change the way Security Centre notifies me.
Just installed sp3 on the only PC in the house left running XP restarted as instructed, no longer able to load windows, just continues to reboot, back to SP2 hopefully with acronis. Never had this issue with vista SP1.Tempting to kick XP into touch altogether but its a bit like saying goodbye to an old friend :)
That's worrying, Steve. Hope Acronis does its magic for you.
I am sure acronis will do its job, I have never had an issue with a service pack before and I know other people have had no issues with this release. I have four choices, stay with SP2, try again, slipstream a clean install or double the ram and say goodbye. I suppose the third is the most sensible as its nice to have one OS in the house thats tried and trusted. :)
I'd go with (3) myself, as I do like the machines to be talking the same language, so to speak. :)
I agree; I rarely install a service pack by a method other than slipstreaming.
...dare I mention Vista SP1?
Flushed with the success of installing XP SP3 on my PC (ie redoing all the updates with a new badge on), I updated My Good Lady(tm)'s laptop with vista SP1...
...and all seemed well...
until the ohone call at work saying her sounds were all going through the USB phone she uses for Skype (so the poor love couldn't listen to Sarah Kennedy bless)....
Easy enough fix, but who'd have thought it was so difficult to remember the default state between service packs? :eyebrow: Ho hum
Tried again to reinstall XP SP3 via windows update, failed again, xp fails to load following install. A quick google shows other people are having similar problems. Thank goodness for Acronis it has worked flawlessly. I will try a slipstream eventually but that of course means a full additional software program install, unless I am missing something and you can reinstall over SP2 :)
Why does this always happen, I wonder. The beta has been long enough, so what did MS miss?
Did you come across this, Steve?
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx
Weird, isn't it, how some can have an AMD-based computer (like myself) and have no issues with SP3, then others have no end of grief? :mad:
It's always the way, Sebby, some people sail through it and others suffer massive problems. One of those hardware/driver issues I suspect.
Yeah, it could be a whole host of things I'd imagine. :(
Interesting! Thanks.The machine I am having a problem with is custom built, A8N32Sli board x2 4400. I think from reading http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx (http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2008/05/08/does-your-amd-based-computer-boot-after-installing-xp-sp3.aspx)
I probably ought to wait for a fix? or possibly try a slip stream when I have time :)
Further reading suggests that there is no guarantee of success with a slipstream of sp3 for owners of a PC incorporating an Asus A8N32SLI. Surely this is a major blunder by MS,there should be a warning on the update regarding incompatibilities, it would save a lot of wasted time and effort :)
MS are pretty good at major blunders in my experience. :( I understand the issues they face with beta testing, but with something as fundamental as an OS, they really should be trying harder.
I have done a slipstream insatllation with sp3 and then installed IE7 and IE7 kept freezing. I did an update to sp3 with an xpsp2 installation with IE7 and that kept freezing as well. I discovered that by turning off enable quick tabs uinder the tabs configuration all problems were solved. Thought I has to share this in case anyone has a similar problem.
I've seen reports of the SP3 update causing some computers to keep rebooting. Seems that it's only with certain AMD processors. Anyone here had that problem?
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418
Quote from: madasahatter on May 11, 2008, 13:36:50
I've seen reports of the SP3 update causing some computers to keep rebooting. Seems that it's only with certain AMD processors. Anyone here had that problem?
The problem seems to stem from some manufacturers (such as HP) that provide a restore CD. The issue is that the restore CD includes both Intel and AMD drivers to save them having to have different restore CDs for different computers. The fix looks quite simple.
I built a PC with an AMD Athlon X2 5000+ and installed Windows XP Professional with SP3 slipstreamed last week without a problem. :)
Quote from: Sebby on May 11, 2008, 13:53:10
I built a PC with an AMD Athlon X2 5000+ and installed Windows XP Professional with SP3 slipstreamed last week without a problem. :)
Cool :thumb:
Glad I hadn't read that before I updated my PC to SP1 (Vista), or I might well have thought twelvety times, instead of just the twice ;)
:lol:
Personally, I think a lot of these problems are hyped up, when in reality they only affect a handful of users. :)
Of course, if you're one of the handful... ;)
I've installed SP3 on an Intel Core 2 quad system and an AMD dual core system as well, with no problem at all. :)
Quote from: Rik on May 11, 2008, 15:00:44
Of course, if you're one of the handful... ;)
It must be annoying, but then a problem like this is understandable, when it's actually down to cost-cutting PC manufacturers. That said, MS are far from perfect as the RMS fiasco has shown - this
was entirely their fault.
Quote from: Sebby on May 11, 2008, 15:54:07
It must be annoying, but then a problem like this is understandable, when it's actually down to cost-cutting PC manufacturers. That said, MS are far from perfect as the RMS fiasco has shown - this was entirely their fault.
To be fair though sebby, there must be so many machines out there with that little odd quirk about them, that MS can never get it 100% right with every one. It's like anything else - you can test something until you are blue in the face, but you never know exactly what is gonna happen until it gets on a real world system.
It's the big problem with Windows boxes. Each one is pretty much unique, different mobos, CPUs, chipsets, graphics cards etc etc etc.
Quote from: Rik on May 11, 2008, 17:27:46
It's the big problem with Windows boxes. Each one is pretty much unique, different mobos, CPUs, chipsets, graphics cards etc etc etc.
Exactly - and I don't think that they can be expected to test
every update with every one of the possible combinations.
Especially when you factor in things like printer drivers, which interact with video drivers etc.
When you think about it, they probably do well to get the updates succesfully onto the number of machines that they do ;)
When I worked for Adobe, and Type 1 fonts were rasterised by ATM, we had no end of problems with printer drivers clashing with the video driver/ATM combo. That was a tiny function compared to the complete machine.
Rasterised - there's a word you don't hear every day. had to look it up, and I'm still not sure that I fully understand ???
Think of it as being like a TV picture, where the images are made up from scan lines. You take the mathematical description of the shape (curves) and convert it into a bitmap at a specific size. All monitors, TVs, printers etc rasterise the image.
Isn't it funny how you always see warnings like this thread after the event!
I had just finished downloading SP3 into XP Home on an AMD desktop, when I read this. :o
So far all seems OK ............................. :fingers:
Mo
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A different problem. http://www.freedom2support.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9584
What an odd problem... ???
hmmmmm - all the XP peeps who were laughing at the Vista peeps regarding SP1 maybe aren't so jolly now :whistle:
That's very strange!
El Reg are now reporting that the reboot issue could be that the Windows Update version of SP3 is missing some updates, whereas if you use the full ~300MB file, it works fine. Just another reason to slipstream, I say. :P
Unfortunately it has been reported that slipstreaming SP3 has failed to solve the problem with the A8N32sli board, I myself have not tried it as I need some guarantee of success after a download of that size :)
:eek4:
Another theory out the window. :(
Those with SP3 and Acronis TI v11 may be interested in this thread. http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=208624
Oh joy. :(
Its fairly glum reading, however it does refer to TI v11, but also contains the increasingly frequent comments about the quality of software now being produced by this company. Shame they managed to fix something that wasn't broken. I have not tried TI v10 on SP3 as I am unable to install it on a machine with a A8N32 SLI motherboard. Well done to MS as well. :mad:
I stuck at TI10, Steve, because they seemed to be losing the plot a bit. If it carries on like this, I'll even be thinking about buying Ghost! :eek4:
I am embarrassed to admit that a recent purchase for my new machine running vista was "save and restore" I needed something that worked from scratch with the IP35 chipset. Acronis eventually supplied me with an IP35 compatible recovery disc, but goodness knows why this is not generally available as an update? :)
So what did you buy, Steve?
****** save and restore :blush:
Well at least the recovery disc worked with the IP35 board
Is that Ghost under a new name, then, Steve?
Its similar to the product Ghost 14, probably now old hat,but at least it restores with the IP35 chipset. TI 10 seems ok with vista on the laptop.
Thanks, Steve, it's nice to know there's an alternative, because Acronis do seem to have lost sight of the ball lately. :(
It'll be interesting to see what TI 12 is like, if it ever comes out.
I'm certainly going to be sitting back while others test it. :)
Talking about Imaging and Recovery software has anyone ever come across or used this: -
http://www.farstone.com/software/driveclone-pro.htm
Haven't come across it, Ray, and didn't find much in the way of reviews. My big problem is whether to use a London accent for the company name, FarstOne, or go with their capitalisation, FarStone. ;)
Quote from: Rik on May 15, 2008, 19:24:17
Haven't come across it, Ray, and didn't find much in the way of reviews. My big problem is whether to use a London accent for the company name, FarstOne, or go with their capitalisation, FarStone. ;)
No I've not come across it before, this seems to be an area of software with no outstanding products now, since Norton killed off Powerquest Drive Image :( I always found that to work well. :)
How about Paragon drive backup?Its cheap at £15.95 never used it though :)
More on XP SP3 problems. http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3345532&SiteID=17&mode=1
It does make you feel the need to double-check the Acronis image first, doesn't it. :(
They are still getting it wrong, the issue regarding an OEM xp image is only one of the reasons for multiple reboots following installation of SP3. Such as owners of a A8n32 SLI MB apparently it will load with SP3 if a USB drive is connected and you dance around the PC three times chanting to "Bill Gates".
You mean other people don't already do that, Steve?? :o
Microsoft are blaming OEM manufacturers for some of the problems with XP SP3 see: -
here (http://www.computershopper.co.uk/news/197010)
Nothing like a round of finger-pointing, eh? :)
fix, not sure if mentioned yet
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/051508-former-ms-manager-offers-fix.html
eek link above for different issue, hp, amd issue
Thanks, So. :thumb:
I decided to try again with SP3 and the A8n32sli MB.So I purchased a new keyboard and mouse for my desktop and switched the old one to the problematic machine. The result being is that it changed from having a usb mouse to PS2 mouse. Reinstalled SP3 and surprise surprise it worked.Hurrah :D
Interesting how valuable a PS2 mouse can be at times, Steve.
If it breaks though I am stuck!!!
Why? You can still get them, can't you?
Quote from: stevethegas on May 25, 2008, 18:54:05
I decided to try again with SP3 and the A8n32sli MB.So I purchased a new keyboard and mouse for my desktop and switched the old one to the problematic machine. The result being is that it changed from having a usb mouse to PS2 mouse. Reinstalled SP3 and surprise surprise it worked.Hurrah :D
Glad to hear it. :thumb:
I don't use Norton myself but people who do may be interested. http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=13193
Good old Norton. :)
I'm guessing Symantec staff... ;)
I'd have thought they'd be clued up, so wouldn't use it. >:D
;D