Now then I know you will be able to answer this easy peasy question,ok if its so easy why ask,but that would be two questions so lets stick with this one
Now I did,after wasting a day find out why the damned game would nt work on upstairs pc,not enough memory.so now I have a couple of options.would an external hard drive help,or are these things just for store and save,if thats not an option is adding more memory an option cant remember offhand but there's only about 580 ram on the thing,but do I need a degree in rocket science to buy and fit this oblong thing y ?
My other option involves a hammer as you know :thnks:
OK, I am no expert but adding more memory would seem to the option, to establish which type of memory go to Crucial using IE6 or IE7, follow the online advice that will tell you exactly which type of memory that you require, do not buy it, come back here with your findings..
Take it from there. ;)
Possibly move this post to Computer Section ?? ;)
Quote from: Inactive on Apr 07, 2008, 23:47:40
OK, I am no expert but adding more memory would seem to the option, to establish which type of memory go to Crucial using IE6 or IE7, follow the online advice that will tell you exactly which type of memory that you require, do not buy it, come back here with your findings..
Take it from there. ;)
:thumb: Will do thanks In
Quote from: Inactive on Apr 08, 2008, 00:15:43
Possibly move this post to Computer Section ?? ;)
I wasnt sure where to put it as it seemed to fall in both so played safe. :-\
Link;
http://www.crucial.com/uk/?gclid=CNncjOeMypICFQtjMAodW2at1A
Going up, 2nd floor, Computer discussion...
See, you do do tech, In. :)
I do do indeed Rik, but only the basics. ;D
For many people, adding memory is not basic... :)
It must be Rik, I can do it.
When David gets back, I have a very nice surprise for him, a supply of cheap memory, subject to availability. ;)
You underrate yourself, In. Sue's a bit the same, she claims to know nothing about computers, then I listen to her trouble-shooting a problem for a friend. I only get called in if she needs level 2 support nowadays. ;)
Possibly Rik, it is just that on this forum I am amongst others that know far more. ;)
We're all on the same road, In, just at different points along it. :)
My problem is similar to David's, I need more memory. ;D
I need more fingers. :)
My new pc has loads more memory, but it seems to have robbed my short term memory to help ::)
;D I feel a song coming on..
Thanks for the memory.. ;)
Quote from: Inactive on Apr 08, 2008, 10:08:14
;D I feel a song coming on..
Thanks for the memory.. ;)
you know whats coming next, In :grn:
Awww fanks Gary, I needed that. ;)
Quote from: Inactive on Apr 08, 2008, 10:12:05
Awww fanks Gary, I needed that. ;)
I'm not sure I should have helped you in the groaning department, In ;)
Hi all have used the scanning tool from that link,couldnt identify which maunufacturer but for what it worth its an infinity with the following details I dont know if they will assist
memory:
256MBDDR PC2700 256MBDDR PC2700
Each memory slot can hold DDR PC2700,DDR PC3200 with a maximum of 1GB per slot.*
*Not to exceed manufacturer supported memory.
Maximum Memory Capacity: 2048MB
Currently Installed Memory: 512MB
Other dtails from this site
Maximum Memory Capacity: 2048MB
Currently Installed Memory: 512MB
Available Memory Slots: 0
Number of Banks: 2
Dual Channel Support: Yes
CPU Manufacturer: GenuineIntel
CPU Family: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz Model 2, Stepping 9
CPU Speed: 2799 MHz
Although the memory can be installed one module at a time, the best performance comes from using matched pairs of modules
The price for additional memory is £61 and a few pence
eBuyer had a special on DDR 2700, £11.99 per GB. Let me see if I can find the link...
Best to get matched pairs if you are going to use two sticks as said, but plenty cheap enough and easy to change ;D
OK David, in order to double the memory that you have installed ie: 2 x 256 to 2 x 512, which equates to I MB and also up the memory type, go here;
http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/default.php?cat=11&type=11020&man=0&filterwords=&go=SEARCH&comp=
Order 2 off of the 512 ones, you will struggle to find them cheaper anywhere.
Of course you could buy the 1MB x 2, that will quadruple your existing memory.
Just let Rik or others run by this to make sure that they agree that they are the correct type.
The link I'd seen earlier was for a different speed, unfortunately 2700/3200 is more expensive. Take a look here, David:
http://www.ebuyer.com/cat/Memory---Desktop/subcat/DDR-2700
or
http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=787
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/111435 for £25
Quote from: Killhippie on Apr 08, 2008, 16:47:06
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/111435 for £25
same link ;D Corsair is a good brand though, and its best to use good quality memory sticks
Quote from: Inactive on Apr 08, 2008, 16:44:13
Order 2 off of the 512 ones, you will struggle to find them cheaper anywhere.
I did, they look OK to me and a heck of a price. Do you know what the bus speed is on the motherboard, David?
The machine is on Rik is this in the device manager or put it another way where would I find this ?
Quote from: Rik on Apr 08, 2008, 16:49:06
I was faster. ;D
Too fast for me Rik, ;D :P :P :P
Quote from: Rik on Apr 08, 2008, 16:48:31
I did, they look OK to me and a heck of a price. Do you know what the bus speed is on the motherboard, David?
They also have branded DDR2 for half that price, unfortunately DDR is far more expensive than DDR2 as you know Rik.
During the boot process, do you see a report on the memory and speed? Otherwise, go to:
http://www.gtopala.com/
Get the freeware copy of SIW, install that and look at the memory report.
Quote from: Inactive on Apr 08, 2008, 16:51:43
They also have branded DDR2 for half that price, unfortunately DDR is far more expensive than DDR2 as you know Rik.
In a week I'll have some DDR PC 3200 for sale, OCZ Platinum PC3200
Quote from: Inactive on Apr 08, 2008, 16:51:43
They also have branded DDR2 for half that price, unfortunately DDR is far more expensive than DDR2 as you know Rik.
It didn't use to be that way. It's like SmartMedia cards, they used to be about £12 for 128MB. If you can find one now you'll pay four times that. SD, by comparison is around £5 for 2GB. :bawl:
Quote from: Inactive on Apr 08, 2008, 16:51:43
They also have branded DDR2 for half that price, unfortunately DDR is far more expensive than DDR2 as you know Rik.
Be thankful is not DDR3 that's mortgage prices
I wouldn't mind some at the size of my mortgage, Gary. :)
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Quote from: Killhippie on Apr 08, 2008, 16:56:13
Be thankful is not DDR3 that's mortgage prices
It will fall as it get's more popular Gary..( it needs to ;D ).
I have in my other machine 3GB of PC6700 and thats cheaper than 2GB of decent PC3200 :mad:
Quote from: Rik on Apr 08, 2008, 16:54:01
During the boot process, do you see a report on the memory and speed? Otherwise, go to:
http://www.gtopala.com/
Get the freeware copy of SIW, install that and look at the memory report.
save it html or csv Rik
Quote from: Inactive on Apr 08, 2008, 16:57:45
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It will fall as it get's more popular Gary..( it needs to ;D ).
Indeed, and to be honest do you really see the difference unless you are doing heavy CGI or gaming or photoshop my FSB is 1333 and the Intel E8500 operates at that, fast enough for me
Just coincidentally I had just placed an order for 2 x 512 DDR Modules for my home machine, and 2 x 1MB modules ( Hynix ) for my computer in Spain from 7Dayshop.
The latter was cheaper !!!!!
Quote from: Inactive on Apr 08, 2008, 17:02:26
The latter was cheaper !!!!!
Crazy, isn't it. :(
Quote from: Inactive on Apr 08, 2008, 17:02:26
Just coincidentally I had just placed an order for 2 x 512 DDR Modules for my home machine, and 2 x 1MB modules ( Hynix ) for my computer in Spain from 7Dayshop.
The latter was cheaper !!!!!
2 x 1 MB In, slow pc ;)
http://www.gtopala.com/img/siw_os_winxp.gif is this it
You need to scroll down to the hardware section, David, and select the memory heading.
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Apr 08, 2008, 17:23:02
http://www.gtopala.com/img/siw_os_winxp.gif is this it
sorry Rik I think tis is it http://www.gtopala.com/img/siw_motherboard.gif
No, down a few more, David, to memory.
http://www.gtopala.com/img/siw_memory.gif
Quote from: Inactive on Apr 08, 2008, 17:16:54
Much like me Gary. ;)
I knew you meant 2 x 1GB, In ;)
That's the one, David. :)
It seems to conflict with the earlier report you had of 2 x 256MB. This seems to be saying you have 1GB in one slot and 512MB in the other. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, so wait for a second opinion.
when I look in my systems info it shows up as 512 if this helps Rik
That's why I'm a bit puzzled, David. I suspect SIW is wrong, but I'd welcome a second opinion.
Looks like that to me as well Rik, 512 in first slot, 1024 in second ??? they have different part numbers as well, a matched pair should be the same either the software read it wrong of there is two different sticks in there, and since it came up with different part numbers for the sticks I wonder if its actually like that, one 512mb one 1GB
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Apr 08, 2008, 17:44:19
when I look in my systems info it shows up as 512 if this helps Rik
The siw shows two different part numbers for your memory modules, it looks like you have one 512mb stick and one 1024mb one, best thing would be to whip the sticks out or at least see if you can see the serial numbers on the modules to make sure.
What Gary said, David. Given the SIW report, it would be safer to check the sticks physically.
I will have to go to the woods for that,but do you mean take the case off and have a look at the numbers on the green memory boards ?
That's it. The confused report is probably just that, but it will be better to double check physically. Remember to observe anti-static precautions.
I,ll google that one Rik,I have got cloth gloves I put on,same as silversmith wears
They won't be any good, David. Ideally, you should get an anti-static wristband (very cheap). If you don't have one or don't want to get one, earth yourself the best you can!
Thanks Sebby methinks this might save me from getting a wallop and protect ,machine ?
It won't do much for you, David, but it ensures you're at the same potential as the machine, so does a lot for that.
Thanks all appreciate all your help will take a look tomorrow and post tomorrow :thnks:
NP, David. We're making it sound bigger than it is, but it's best to be on the safe side.
Indeed. I wouldn't worry too much. Unless I'm building a whole PC, I've always just taking bits out and put bits in unearthed, and both myself and all the components are still here to tell the tale. ;)
I just touch the metal bits of the case beforehand (unless it's for someone else who isn't Colin). Never killed anything yet :P
David, you could try running Belarc Advisor, that will run a scan of your computer and will tell you how much memory you have, and which slots they are in.
It is free, and can be found here; http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html
I always take my computer to the kitchen, keep one hand on the case, the other on the cold tap for a couple of seconds, it works fine for me.
Good luck.
Thanks In will try this.(what a palaver) ;D
Quote from: Sebby on Apr 08, 2008, 18:40:24
Indeed. I wouldn't worry too much. Unless I'm building a whole PC, I've always just taking bits out and put bits in unearthed, and both myself and all the components are still here to tell the tale. ;)
same here Sebby, I have a antistatic wristband so if I was handling a mobo and cpu etc I would use it but I have changed ram and soundcards without one with no ill effects to date :fingers:
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Apr 09, 2008, 10:11:47
Thanks In will try this.(what a palaver) ;D
make sure the taps not on, you don't want splash back ;) you can also touch a grounding pint on radiator pipework before you start work as well, but you should be fine, you should see the ram sticks and the serials without much trouble, hopefully
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Apr 09, 2008, 10:11:47
Thanks In will try this.(what a palaver) ;D
It is a useful item to run every now and again anyway David, it gives you so much info, it even tells me my type of monitor, and even the date it was manufactured.
Good luck with the memory, it all sounds far more complicated than it is in reality, it is hardly any more difficult than changing a light bulb, why....even I can do it.. ;D
That's exactly right, In - it sounds complicated, and we do advocate precautions, but in reality it's easy and we don't do what we say people should. How many of us trip the breaker or pull the fuse before changing a light bulb, after all?
Seriously I will take it all on board and am not fazed by it have been doing homework since yesterday thanks for the links and all the help.The only thing which slightly concerned me was if there was any configuration etc but will let you know when i get the number,I am enjoying picking these bits up it would have cost me about £120 to watch someone else and listen to him tutting at the same time :thnks:
The bill's in the post, David. ;)
Does this not highlight it all though Rik,guess its the same with everything from cars to most things,ignorance may be bliss,but come with a price.I do know people who have paid electricians to change a plug in the past,and plumbers to change a washer.
It all goes to my monitor fund hee hee. >:D
That's the strength of forums, of course, David. There's a range of expertise to help and advise - and not just on computer issues. If I need it, I can go and get advice from plumbers or electricians, lawyers or doctors. It does empower people in a way we could only dream of in the past.
Quote from: Rik on Apr 09, 2008, 10:55:04
How many of us trip the breaker or pull the fuse before changing a light bulb, after all?
I don't need to. The breaker trips every time a light bulb goes anyway - not too convenient in the dark!
Breakers can be over-sensitive, I find. You end up with torches littered around the house in strategic places.
Quote from: Rik on Apr 09, 2008, 11:44:13
Breakers can be over-sensitive, I find. You end up with torches littered around the house in strategic places.
My pocket being one of those places, Rik ;)
Quote from: Simon on Apr 09, 2008, 11:40:03
I don't need to. The breaker trips every time a light bulb goes anyway - not too convenient in the dark!
Mine will do the same but I actually prefer it.was fitting a halogen and spotlight mixture type kitchen light a while ago and one of the tiny halogen bulb wires had come adrift touched the metal casing,it was all brushed chrome and although I got an almighty belt,the breaker came in and could have saved me from injury more serious than a little burn,so its a pain when like the other night the upstairs bulb went and plunged all the lights out,but I guess they are just like me "sensitive" >:D
and don't we all remember the days when candles or torches and a trip to the damp cellar getting the ceramic fuses out and threading the damn things,now its just a case of throwing the switch. ;D
Quote from: Rik on Apr 09, 2008, 11:34:52
That's the strength of forums, of course, David. There's a range of expertise to help and advise - and not just on computer issues. If I need it, I can go and get advice from plumbers or electricians, lawyers or doctors. It does empower people in a way we could only dream of in the past.
So true and to discover this font of knowledge is amazing.I'm good with brooms and changing baby's so if anyone needs to know I can always suggest a good shop to leave the pram outside to switch them :thumb:
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Apr 09, 2008, 14:01:57
I guess they are just like me "sensitive" >:D
Another good reason for running PCs from a UPS...
isn't that a delivery company Rik ???
Only when painted brown, David. Uninterruptible power supply - a device which powers the computer from battery in the event the mains cuts out or, with the better ones, if the mains goes higher or lower than it should in voltage terms.
I am studying the Sam Knows and others trying to get to grips with all these things Rik there are thousands and it is very slow going but very educational.tab, :thumb:
Not a page,but thanks a million :-*
I regard a UPS as vital equipment, David. I've been using them since about 1987, and they're a lot more reasonable now than they used to be. With one in circuit, you should never suffer a data loss and, imo, equipment reliability improves as it's isolated from voltage fluctuations and spikes.
Your in the deep end Rik and I'm standing on the side with my armbands on,so can you buy this is it a piece of electronic equipment which may come in useful when I do things to the other machine<I must confess It has gone from a memory to maybe other things,I have been looking at a site,How tings work who talk you and show video clips of how to build a pc and like many things they do make it loof fairly achievable,it reminds me of the comparison between what I would call a mechanic and a fitter,both look on the surface they do the same job but there is a huge difference anyone can for example change a gearbox on a car,but thats just changing part for part.a mechanic is able to diagnose and identify what is wrong before changing a unit.if that makes sense.It can be daunting being amongst people who are so good at all this,and also very comforting to think that in reality all you need to do is ask the question.I can honestly say I have never in my life come across such a group of people.So I feel very privileged to know you all :karma:
Thanks, David.
Take a look at this:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130480
There are lots of other brands and specs available, but that one has the critical features you need. AVR is important, this stops the effects of over and under-voltage but it also indicates that the UPS is inline, always providing the power. The other type of uPS is backup, and that cuts in only when mains power is removed. It happens fast enough so that you and the computer don't falter, but there is a gap and I prefer not to risk it. A UPS will give you, depending on how much you pay, 5-50 minutes to shut down a machine gracefully. This model should give you 10 minutes on most machines, five to see if the power is coming back and five to shut down.
The strength of forums is that we all have different experiences and backgrounds. When we pool our resources, we have the ability to resolve many issues that we'd otherwise struggle with. Truly, a forum is greater than the sum of its parts. :)
Watch it David, he is trying to spend your money... ;D ;D
It's what I do well, In. ;D
Now I know what you are talking about thanks for the link.....its clearer now,what a brilliant device.
Since we all mentioned Eva Cassidy the other day I'm just polishing the Autumn Leaves off on piano,fields of Barley is easy but nice.
I have fed you a line there Rik,I know you would use a duster :basil: :basil:
Fields of barley can change your life with a little added yeast, David. ;)
Or yeasterday by The Beatles ::)
:grn:
:D
Quote from: Rik on Apr 09, 2008, 15:41:45
:grn:
:D
Only one groan I will have to try harder methinks >:D
How about She Loaves you :rofl:
:grn: :grn: :grn: and :karma: for effort. ;D
That would make him Groan Free Rik. ;)
:grn: :grn: :grn: :grn: :karma:
Quote from: Rik on Apr 09, 2008, 15:57:44
:grn: :grn: :grn: and :karma: for effort. ;D
thats the second lot of three in a row in a few days Im h a p p y, im h a p p y >:D
This is turning in to right old Groan Thread, Cheers Rik. ;)
I've grown tired of it all.. ;D ;D
Shouldn't that have been gro-an, In? ;D
Quote from: Rik on Apr 09, 2008, 16:12:25
Shouldn't that have been gro-an, In? ;D
And that Rik.. ;D ;)
Don't you know any Bread songs, David? ;D