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Title: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: Noreen on Mar 15, 2008, 10:21:08
Copied from American forum.
QuoteFrom iPods to navigation systems, some of today's hottest gadgets are landing on store shelves with some unwanted extras from the factory: pre-installed viruses that steal passwords, open doors for hackers and make computers spew spam................
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/ptech/03/13/factory.installed.virus.ap/index.html
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: Rik on Mar 15, 2008, 10:31:43
Oh joy, yet another security issue to worry about. I can see it reaching a point where we all keep a sacrificial machine to plug these devices into the check them. :(
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: Sebby on Mar 15, 2008, 11:40:39
How can we be sure we can trust that machine, though, Rik?  :(
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: kinmel on Mar 15, 2008, 11:44:26
Quote from: Sebby on Mar 15, 2008, 11:40:39
How can we be sure we can trust that machine, though, Rik?  :(

I like it, my kind of thinking - true paranoia 
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: Rik on Mar 15, 2008, 11:46:14
Quote from: Sebby on Mar 15, 2008, 11:40:39
How can we be sure we can trust that machine, though, Rik?  :(

We don't. Once we've tested the gadgets, we re-install a clean copy of Windows again!
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: Simon on Mar 15, 2008, 12:31:30
I wonder how this stands legally?  Say you installed a gadget, which infected your machine to the point of the loss of valuable or secure data?  Could you claim against the manufacturer?
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: Rik on Mar 15, 2008, 12:37:22
No, in the UK, the claim would be against the retailer - they would, in turn, claim against the wholesaler etc. The claim could certainly be made, though, it would be the proof that would be difficult.
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: madasahatter on Mar 15, 2008, 12:39:41
I would have thought that proving it was down to that particular gadget could be nigh on impossible.
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: Rik on Mar 15, 2008, 12:49:12
It might be forensically possible, but hard to find a specialist to do it, and expensive. If it's going to happen, though, it will be in America.
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: Simon on Mar 15, 2008, 12:53:55
Presumably, if a gadget infected one machine, it would infect another, so surely, the proof would be simply plugging it into a test machine?
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: Rik on Mar 15, 2008, 12:56:42
Except that, if you had already plugged it into a machine, it could have been infected by that machine. We're almost reaching the realms of having certified sterile machines in libraries, say, and having to open and connect the device in the presence of a witness. Oy!
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: Sebby on Mar 15, 2008, 13:00:10
The moral of the story is not to trust anything!  :no:
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: madasahatter on Mar 15, 2008, 13:01:55
Quote from: Sebby on Mar 15, 2008, 13:00:10
The moral of the story is not to trust anything!  :no:

Trouble with that is that if you didn't trust anything, you'd never buy or do anything - and where would we be without all these wonderful gadgets in our lives? 8)
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: Rik on Mar 15, 2008, 13:03:37
It's quite alarming, when you think about the number of devices which we tend to have these days. We are getting to the point where viruses etc can be delivered by plugging something into a computer. Oh, hang on, that used to be how we got viruses from floppy disks. :)
Title: Re: Electronic gadgets latest sources of computer viruses
Post by: Sebby on Mar 15, 2008, 13:03:52
This is true. I'm quite a trusting person when it comes to gadgets, but I know there is a potential out there for attacks, as we've seen with something as common as iPods, which were shipped with a virus.  :o