Background
I previously used a DLink DSL504T wired router , which I know arent the best router . Using that router on an interleaved line , I was still able to sync at 8128k and an IP profile of 7150k, my router stats confirmed this. I thought this was strange as max sync on interleaved line is stated on KITZ as 7616k and IP profile of 6500k.
One common occurrence when I was using the DLink router was that it would create stale sessions and always after about 2 weeks usage. I mentioned this to my brother , who is a senior Hardware Computer engineer, and he thought it was most odd. I told him it always seems to occur after about 300 hrs of solid and stable connection. Imagine my surprise when I came across this thread here at this forum today
http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=6213.0 (http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=6213.0)
Its exactly the same issue that I was having with my DLink router.
My brother gave me a 2wire HG1800 router with the BT firmware removed and installed it in wired mode, he used it for ages and had not one single issue with it, he said it is a far superior router to the DLink and he set it up for me. I enjoyed high throughput with the DLink and thinkbroadband speedtests always showed throughput of 6.3 to 6.5 MB which I was delighted with. I am 640 metres from my exchange by the way.
I asked IDnet to switch off the interleaving 2 weeks ago, which they duly did. I used it for a week and the speeds werent great, throughput was 3.5 MB to 4.5MB which I though sucked. I asked IDNet to switch the interleave back on and my stats are now 7616k sync and 6500k IP profile. I ran a speedtest on thinkbroadband and got 2.6MB download speed.................WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
I had also downloaded files that I had previously downloaded using my old DLink which came down at a super 750 + kb / sec , imagine my surprise to see those same downloads crawling down the line at 380 kb/sec using the 2 wire....... :o
My bro works in computer hardware for a living and if he says the router is installed properly , I believe him 101%. What I cant account for is why a technically superior router is giving me such a $hitty time. Are there any issues with using a 2wire with IDNet or are there network issues which Im not aware of, gotta be honest and say this is pi$$ing me off big time and I wonder do I need to raise a fault with support ?
Any advice most welcome guys.
James
Hi James
It's not an issue with IDNet and 2700s as most people report better speeds, me included. Also the link you give is not about stale sessions, but re-boots. However, I use to get them at the same interval with the Netgear, so my own theory has always been that it's happening at the DSLAM.
As to speeds, I can't make a sensible comment without your line stats and a BT test, we need to see what's happened to your profile and the target noise margin.
happy to oblige rik
Connection
Fully Operational
DSL Link: Connected
Internet: Connected
Connection Speed:
• Incoming: 7616 kbps
• Outgoing: 448 kbps
Line 1 (inner pair)
Protocol: G.DMT
Downstream Rate: 7616 kbps
Upstream Rate: 448 kbps
Channel: Interleaved
Current Noise Margin: 8.0 dB (Downstream), 21.0 dB (Upstream)
Current Attenuation: 6.0 dB (Downstream), 10.5 dB (Upstream)
Current Output Power: 19.5 dB (Downstream), 12.0 dB (Upstream)
DSLAM Vendor Information: Country: {B5} Vendor: {TSTC} Specific: {400}
PVC Info: 0/38
Statistics
Collected for 21:43:20
Since Reset Current 24-Hour Interval Current 15-Minute Interval Time Since Last Event
ATM Cell Header Errors: 10 10 0 3:02:09
ATM Loss of Cell Delineation: 0 0 0 0:00:00
DSL Link Retrains: 1 1 0 21:43:16
DSL Initialization Errors: 0 0 0 0:00:00
DSL Initialization Timeouts: 0 0 0 0:00:00
DSL Line Search Initializations: 0 0 0 0:00:00
DSL Loss of Framing Failures: 0 0 0 0:00:00
DSL Loss of Signal Failures: 0 0 0 0:00:00
DSL Loss of Power Failures: 0 0 0 0:00:00
DSL Loss of Margin Failures: 0 0 0 0:00:00
DSL Cumulative Errored Seconds: 11 11 0 1:29:43
DSL Severely Errored Seconds: 0 0 0 0:00:00
DSL Corrected Blocks: 199 199 0 0:17:52
DSL Uncorrected Blocks: 14 14 0 1:29:43
ISP Connection Establishment: 1 1 0 21:43:00
appreciate you taking a look
James
Could do with a BT test to get the profile, James. Your stats look a bit odd to me, for 6db attenuation, I'd expect you to be synching at 8128. You also appear to have a raised target margin. Try the D-Link again, maybe the 2-Wire is iffy.
I agree, something's not quite right there. Your old router should give us an indication as to whether it's the router or something on your line, and we can take it from there... :)
there it is rik
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
IP profile for your line is - 6500 kbps
DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM) 7616 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 5958 kbps
I sure as eck wasnt getting throughput anything like 5958 kpbs on downloads this afternoon.
How do those figures look to you ?
James
Speed's OK for the profile, James, profile's correct for the sync speed. It suggests either exchange or site congestion to me.
:) James, with your excellent connection stats, you should ask to get your connection changed to `Fastpath`. This will enable you to synch at 8128 downstream and will eventually (3 - 5 days?) give you a BRAS/IP profile of 7150.
I had it set to fastpath paul and the speeds were so so, thats why i asked for it to be switched to interleave to see if that would help.
James
A few people seem to be having these speed issues, and I don't think it's an IDNet issue, so it must be exchange congestion.
Speed Test Results
Date 28/02/08 21:12:56
Speed Down 3740.30 Kbps ( 3.7 Mbps )
Speed Up 377.13 Kbps ( 0.4 Mbps )
Port 8095
Server speedtest1.adslguide.org.uk
Puts head in hands :rant2:
I used to get 6.3 - 6.5MB 24/7
James >:(
I don't know what else to suggest. :(
what eats at me is it just doesnt add up . replace an average router with a good un and stats slide down the porcelain throne.........just doesnt add up to me.
James
These things often don't, James. :(
Speed Test Results
Date 28/02/08 23:11:22
Speed Down 5834.01 Kbps ( 5.7 Mbps )
Speed Up 371.90 Kbps ( 0.4 Mbps )
Port 8095
Server speedtest1.adslguide.org.uk
reconnected the DLink DSL504T ................isnt that interesting
James
Speed Test Results
Date 28/02/08 23:19:58
Speed Down 5991.82 Kbps ( 5.9 Mbps )
Speed Up 371.55 Kbps ( 0.4 Mbps )
Port 8095
Server speedtest1.adslguide.org.uk
thats where it should be at, the IP profile is 6500k , that 2 wire sure has me thinking about giving it back.
James
Just goes to prove my theory, James, that there's no 'best' router in every situation, it's a matter of finding what works best on your line.
rik
would you recommend a draytek vigor 2600 ?
James
No, I had one pre-Max. It was brilliant. When I went to Max, it was hell, and I moved to the humble Netgear DG834, which worked well, albeit slower than the 2700. Gary is using an 834 v4, and finding better results than he got with a 2700... Ideally, if you can borrow models of router to try, you'll find the best one for your line.
what do you think of the linksys routers ?
James
I hated them - you see how much this comes down to personal experience with bits of kit? :)
LOL ;D
if I said to you, which router(s) (to be used wired) outstanding in
reliability
throughput speed
security
what model(s) should i seriously look into rik ?
James
I am convinced that there is no " best router " for any/all lines.
I think it is trial and error, the best I have used on my good line is a Zyxel P-660HW, better than a working 2700, but that may not be the best for you.
I'm with Inactive, James. There are no absolute recommendations since Max. I've had good results with Netgear, better with the 2700, poor with Draytek & Linksys, have never tried a Zyxel.
For me, therefore, I'd say a 2700, but that might not be the case for you.
how good was your throughput with the netgear rik, as compared to your connection speed ?
james
Both routers give me maximum speed for the profile, eg a tad under 2400k for the Netgear which achieved a 2500 profile, and a tad under 2800 for the 2700 which achieves a 3000 profile.
I did read that the 2700 does not always like surge protectors Rik, it may me very sensitive to power fluctuations, if you google it you will see some examples :-\
Interesting. Was any conclusion reached on why, Gary?
Mine's just done its 12 day reboot... Regular as clockwork.
Quote from: Rik on Feb 29, 2008, 00:58:25
Interesting. Was any conclusion reached on why, Gary?
Mine's just done its 12 day reboot... Regular as clockwork.
Not really Rik but a few people plugged it straight into the mains and did not get the issue, I think it depends on which model/firmware etc bit of a mine field really, and quite a few as I mentioned with wireless issues, my V4 has better penetration (ooer) than the 2700 and i can use my wireless extender again now, but I lose a bit of speed but my thoughput is still great, as you say there is no best router as such, its down to what suits your line.
I think all routers should be on SOR, given the vagaries of the system. Let people try before they buy. It isn't going to happen, but it would be good if it could.
anybody know what this 12 day reboot is ? I get a stale session with the DLink every 12 days and have to do a reboot and drop profile from 7150k to 6500k until it catches up.............is this the norm ?
James
Quote from: Rik on Feb 29, 2008, 01:06:04
I think all routers should be on SOR, given the vagaries of the system. Let people try before they buy. It isn't going to happen, but it would be good if it could.
Thats true I hear bad reports of the speedtouch 780 that O2/be hand out, droping connection seems to be the main issue and poor wireless, seems to be the custom firmware but I'm not clued up on speedtouch routers, most find the netgears more stable with ADSL2+ than the 780
Quote from: Dont mention Talk Talk !! on Feb 29, 2008, 01:12:49
anybody know what this 12 day reboot is ? I get a stale session with the DLink every 12 days and have to do a reboot and drop profile from 7150k to 6500k until it catches up.............is this the norm ?
James
I didnt suffer this with the 2700 i happily exceeded 18 days
whats the relevance of 18 days ?
Quote from: Killhippie on Feb 29, 2008, 01:15:41
I didnt suffer this with the 2700 i happily exceeded 18 days
That only seems to happen with the single ssid ones Gary.
Quote from: Dont mention Talk Talk !! on Feb 29, 2008, 01:17:39
whats the relevance of 18 days ?
it didn't reboot at 12 that's all ;) in fact it made 22 before I changed over to the V4 netgear, just saying I have not had this 12 day issue at all as of yet
Quote from: Inactive on Feb 29, 2008, 01:19:00
That only seems to happen with the single ssid ones Gary.
Most odd In, I still wonder if there is firmware differences for the adsl side of things between the American versions and the BT ones as they seem more stable :-\
It just seems to affect some people, James. Sebby is another one, iirc, and we both have the SBC firmware, again iirc. OTOH, my Netgear did it too - can't remember what the Draytek was like, it didn't last that long. My instinct is that something happens at the DSLAM, but I have no proof.
Quote from: Rik on Feb 29, 2008, 01:23:04
It just seems to affect some people, James. Sebby is another one, iirc, and we both have the SBC firmware, again iirc. OTOH, my Netgear did it too - can't remember what the Draytek was like, it didn't last that long. My instinct is that something happens at the DSLAM, but I have no proof.
as you say with the vagaries of the system its hard to pinpoint Rik, but your theory seems to hold out, but why not all DSLAM'S
That's the big question, Gary. Maybe it's a particular manufacturer or model. Or maybe it's just the re-boot fairy. ;)
Ahh the reboot fairy, they strike at anytime :D and on that note i'm off :yawn: time for some valium TV before my bed as the Clonazepam has not hit me yet, night all ;D
Sleep well, Gary. :)
rik
Ive sent support a formal request by email to find out exactly what is going on here with this 12 hour reboot scenario in the hope they can shed some light, or may know about an issue going on.
You want me to pm the reply to you when i get it incase it is of some value ?
BTW the DLink is flying and Im giving that 2wire router back to my bro, better the devil you know as Kylie said. :cheers:
James
I'll be interested to hear if anyone has an answer to this, James.
Me too. :)
(By the way, Rik, I am indeed running the SBC firmware too.)
Quote from: Sebby on Mar 01, 2008, 01:03:51
Me too. :)
(By the way, Rik, I am indeed running the SBC firmware too.)
there it is sebby
"I've had a check on your line
The past 14 days history on your exchange shows no record of any
maintenance which would be causing this. This leads me to believe the
dynamic line management in the exchange is attempting to improve your
connection due to the consistency of the drop. However if was to become
more frequent or start causing an issue please let me know and I will
have another look."
not a lot of use ::)
James
I think that's a possible and reasonable suggestion. It didn't happen on my old router, but then perhaps the error handling was different. It's difficult to say, and probably something we'll never get to the bottom of.
We'd probably need the same sort of relationship with 2-Wire as we have with IDNet, Sebby.
My third 2700 (2xSSID) has now been up and running for 13 days, so I don't think the reboot fairy has visited. :)
Give it a couple more days, Simon, then BT will visit instead.
The dreaded biggy from BT :eek4: I'll be happy when its over :'(
Early hours of Tuesday, Gary, with more to come for 21CN of course.
I should just make it to the 15 days for the SNRM to drop, then I suppose they'll bugger it up again! :mad:
Quote from: Rik on Mar 01, 2008, 12:29:16
Early hours of Tuesday, Gary, with more to come for 21CN of course.
Our exchange is being done for 21CN this year, great :( does this work tuesday mean we lose sync as well Rik?
I think it's difficult to say, Gary. ::)
The answer is we don't know, Gary, because BT haven't told IDNet. :(
Quote from: Simon on Mar 01, 2008, 12:14:24
My third 2700 (2xSSID) has now been up and running for 13 days, so I don't think the reboot fairy has visited. :)
what does this 2xssid mean, do they still make those routers this way ?
James
There is a later model, with dual SSID, meant for the BT Fusion service. These seem to be the ones in the current supply chain, James. They can't take the SBC firmware, but seem able to resist the blandishments of BT using the DNS poisoning trick.
"poisoning dns "
you have lost me rik. I use the idnet dns servers, am i at risk of this dns poisoning ?
James
Naah. The routers 'phone home' periodically, and reset the login to a BT domain. The poisoning trick is to enter the sites they use in the DNS table, and point them to nowhere. The router looks in the table before asking the DNS servers, finds the addresses and sends the check on a wild goose chase to nowhere. Problem solved. :)
Put simply, it's a method of getting around the system BT has for stopping users of other ISPs using their routers. >:D
Quote from: Rik on Mar 01, 2008, 17:12:48
There is a later model, with dual SSID, meant for the BT Fusion service. These seem to be the ones in the current supply chain, James. They can't take the SBC firmware, but seem able to resist the blandishments of BT using the DNS poisoning trick.
DNS poisoning does not work with the Dual SSID with the latest firmware and there is no point in doing it. Any URLs that are built into the firmware do not refer to the DNS Resolve list.
So what's the solution for dual SSID models, then, or isn't there one?
Thanks, Kin, and what Sebby said. :)
I run a dual ssid 2700hgv and As far as i see it, you have to somehow fool the router into letting your username and password be valid and after that you're good to go.
DNS poisoning doesn't appear to work as i and people i know have been auto upgraded regardless of DNS resolve settings.
i wouldn't swap mine for anything, every time i look at the tech pages its like a screen shot over and over, its so stable its boring!!
The only 2 resyncs i've had in the past months have been electrical power cuts.
Happy 2wire user
Ted
Quote from: Sebby on Mar 01, 2008, 18:07:59
So what's the solution for dual SSID models, then, or isn't there one?
It doesn't seem to matter, updates happen automatically and the router report homes once daily, but as yet to no visible effect.
I am with xild on this
Quote from: xild on Mar 01, 2008, 18:38:55
DNS poisoning doesn't appear to work as i and people i know have been auto upgraded regardless of DNS resolve settings.
So what do you do if DNS poisoning doesn't work anymore?
Quote from: kinmel on Mar 01, 2008, 18:47:44
It doesn't seem to matter, updates happen automatically and the router report homes once daily, but as yet to no visible effect.
Ah, that would explain it. I wonder what the point of it phoning home each day is if it doesn't take any action.
Quote from: xild on Mar 01, 2008, 18:38:55
I run a dual ssid 2700hgv and As far as i see it, you have to somehow fool the router into letting your username and password be valid and after that you're good to go.
Is there a specific technique to that, Ted?
Quote from: Sebby on Mar 01, 2008, 18:48:47
Ah, that would explain it. I wonder what the point of it phoning home each day is if it doesn't take any action.
I think it's checking for firmware updates, those I have installed for people have always updated their firmware next day.
Quote from: Rik on Mar 01, 2008, 18:52:32
Is there a specific technique to that, Ted?
There seems to 3 methods to achieve this.
1/ is a firmware hack to allow idnet as a recognized domain
2/ use a java script hack to circumvent the process page
3/ use the wizard to enter username/password.
All appear to work fine and asa i say after that you're good to go ;D
Interesting; thanks for that. :)
Care to expand on 1 & 2, Ted? :) (I know, always after a pound of flesh! ;))
The first one involves using Opera to view the code, and adding idnet to the allowed domains. When you press the submit button, it checks this list to see whether you have entered a valid domain.
The second one is entering the javascript in the address bar, in order to get around the validation on the submit button. I used this and it works fine :)
Thanks, Lance. Why Opera, aamoi?
Quote from: Lance on Mar 01, 2008, 19:42:37
The first one involves using Opera to view the code, and adding idnet to the allowed domains. When you press the submit button, it checks this list to see whether you have entered a valid domain.
The second one is entering the javascript in the address bar, in order to get around the validation on the submit button. I used this and it works fine :)
Thanks mate, i was summoned for food :food2:
So you can answer the 'why Opera' bit, Ted, while I go and feed. ;D
Opera has the ability to view, change and save the source code for a given page.
So if you are viewing a configuration page in lets say 2700 firmware, you can re-write it. Be careful here!!
As I have two IDNet logins, Ted, presumably I'd have to add both?
TWO idnet log ins Rik? There's being greedy and theres being GREEDY ;D
It's much easier just to use the javascript in the address bar Rik. It has the same effect :)
Rik has two log ins - one on dsl4 and one on gw5. That way he can tell if a problem being reported is only affecting one pipe or it's a more general problem.
Quote from: xild on Mar 01, 2008, 20:15:28
Opera has the ability to view, change and save the source code for a given page.
So if you are viewing a configuration page in lets say 2700 firmware, you can re-write it. Be careful here!!
With the Dual SSID on firmware 5.29.107.19 I cannot get Opera 9.26 to update the variables in
checkUserIdSec(userids) in the source code for the page
http://192.168.1.254/xslt?PAGE=J05&THISPAGE=J20&NEXTPAGE=J05 , the existing entries are still present when I re-load the page.
Can anyone get this to work ?
Quote from: kinmel on Mar 01, 2008, 21:06:37
With the Dual SSID on firmware 5.29.107.19 I cannot get Opera 9.26 to update the variables in checkUserIdSec(userids) in the source code for the page http://192.168.1.254/xslt?PAGE=J05&THISPAGE=J20&NEXTPAGE=J05 , the existing entries are still present when I re-load the page.
Can anyone get this to work ?
Did it work for you on 5.29.107.12 ? i haven't tried it on 5.29.107.19 but it was certainly overwritten by the upgrade ;D
I didn't try it on the previous firmware, I prefer to use the Set Up Wizard because it configures the other parameters too.
What I really want to change is the acs_url entry https://pbthdm2.bt.motive.com/cwmpWeb/CPEMgt on page http://192.168.1.254/xslt?PAGE=J28&THISPAGE=A02_POST&NEXTPAGE=J28.
If we are going to have future problems with the Dual SSID, then that is the URL which will cause it.
If i ever get a problem with firmware, i'll be knocking in your door :bow:
I'm only round the corner in Old Colwyn :hehe:
I have 5.29.107.19, and the acs_url entry is https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com, which is what I put in when I did the DNS poisoning. I'm only saying this, I haven't a clue what it means.
Quote from: xild on Mar 01, 2008, 21:34:35
I'm only round the corner in Old Colwyn
It seems that half of north Wales is with IDNet ;D
Quote from: Simon on Mar 01, 2008, 21:53:19
I have 5.29.107.19, and the acs_url entry is https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com, which is what I put in when I did the DNS poisoning. I'm only saying this, I haven't a clue what it means.
Is that on a Dual SSID ?
Quote from: kinmel on Mar 01, 2008, 22:28:55
It seems that half of north Wales is with IDNet ;D
Just so long as the other half don't catch on, that's fine by me ;D
It seems that half of north Wales is with IDNet
And west Wales
Quote from: golden on Mar 01, 2008, 22:37:36
It seems that half of north Wales is with IDNet
And west Wales
Which bit?
Ceredigion
Gwyl Ddewi hapus i ch
( I only know this because my 6year old grandson told me today )
Beautiful down there, i often work in Tywyn and Llanegryn, would love to live in that area.
One day when the kids have left home :yes:
At least we are still on topic
Quote from: kinmel on Mar 01, 2008, 22:31:00
Is that on a Dual SSID ?
Yes. Set it up via the wizard. IDNet log in seems to have 'stuck' with no problem. :fingers: :fingers: :fingers:
Quote from: kinmel on Mar 01, 2008, 23:07:45
At least we are still on topic
OOPs, Sorry :back:
Quote from: Simon on Mar 01, 2008, 23:14:07
Yes. Set it up via the wizard. IDNet log in seems to have 'stuck' with no problem. :fingers: :fingers: :fingers:
Yes the Wizard works a treat.
Will you check your detailed log (http://192.168.1.254/xslt?PAGE=J34&THISPAGE=A02_POST&NEXTPAGE=J34) and check for an entry similar to
cwmd: session started, server: 'https://pbthdm2.bt.motive.com/cwmpWeb/CPEMgt', event code(s): '4 VALUE CHANGE,2 PERIODIC'or
cwmd: session started, server: 'https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com', event code(s): '4 VALUE CHANGE,2 PERIODIC'Is the entry appearing once every day ?
Quote from: xild on Mar 01, 2008, 23:23:47
OOPs, Sorry :back:
I wasn't being critical ;D
Going off topic, often onto food, creates the ambience we all love here at IDNetters
Quote from: kinmel on Mar 01, 2008, 23:24:29
Yes the Wizard works a treat.
Will you check your detailed log (http://192.168.1.254/xslt?PAGE=J34&THISPAGE=A02_POST&NEXTPAGE=J34) and check for an entry similar to cwmd: session started, server: 'https://pbthdm2.bt.motive.com/cwmpWeb/CPEMgt', event code(s): '4 VALUE CHANGE,2 PERIODIC'
or cwmd: session started, server: 'https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com', event code(s): '4 VALUE CHANGE,2 PERIODIC'
Is the entry appearing once every day ?
Hmm... not sure what's going on, but I'm getting this two or three times a minute!! Here's a small section of the log - it just carries on continuously like this:
INF 2008-03-01T19:39:37Z cwmd: retried session started, server: 'https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com', event code(s): '0 BOOTSTRAP'
WRN 2008-03-01T19:40:37Z cwmd: httpc_poll_dispatch - Connection timed out
WRN 2008-03-01T19:40:37Z cwmd: session failed...
INF 2008-03-01T19:40:37Z cwmd: session will be retried in 279724(ms)
INF 2008-03-01T19:45:32Z cwmd: retried session started, server: 'https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com', event code(s): '0 BOOTSTRAP'
WRN 2008-03-01T19:46:32Z cwmd: httpc_poll_dispatch - Connection timed out
WRN 2008-03-01T19:46:32Z cwmd: session failed...
INF 2008-03-01T19:46:32Z cwmd: session will be retried in 359135(ms)
INF 2008-03-01T19:52:32Z cwmd: retried session started, server: 'https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com', event code(s): '0 BOOTSTRAP'
WRN 2008-03-01T19:53:32Z cwmd: httpc_poll_dispatch - Connection timed out
WRN 2008-03-01T19:53:32Z cwmd: session failed...
INF 2008-03-01T19:53:32Z cwmd: session will be retried in 181689(ms)
INF 2008-03-01T19:56:43Z cwmd: retried session started, server: 'https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com', event code(s): '0 BOOTSTRAP'
WRN 2008-03-01T19:57:43Z cwmd: httpc_poll_dispatch - Connection timed out
WRN 2008-03-01T19:57:43Z cwmd: session failed...
INF 2008-03-01T19:57:43Z cwmd: session will be retried in 335646(ms)
INF 2008-03-01T20:03:32Z cwmd: retried session started, server: 'https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com', event code(s): '0 BOOTSTRAP'
WRN 2008-03-01T20:04:32Z cwmd: httpc_poll_dispatch - Connection timed out
WRN 2008-03-01T20:04:32Z cwmd: session failed...
INF 2008-03-01T20:04:32Z cwmd: session will be retried in 357167(ms)
INF 2008-03-01T20:10:32Z cwmd: retried session started, server: 'https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com', event code(s): '0 BOOTSTRAP'
WRN 2008-03-01T20:11:32Z cwmd: httpc_poll_dispatch - Connection timed out
WRN 2008-03-01T20:11:32Z cwmd: session failed...
INF 2008-03-01T20:11:32Z cwmd: session will be retried in 222166(ms)
INF 2008-03-01T20:11:43Z lmd: device0: dsl0 has no current version set
INF 2008-03-01T20:15:32Z cwmd: retried session started, server: 'https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com', event code(s): '0 BOOTSTRAP'
WRN 2008-03-01T20:16:32Z cwmd: httpc_poll_dispatch - Connection timed out
WRN 2008-03-01T20:16:32Z cwmd: session failed...
Is this bad?
Thanks for that.
The DNS poisoning is working on your Dual SSID, which is good.
What are the first 4 characters of the Serial Number ?
So we now know that the Dual has at least 2 BT versions of the Greenlight provisioning information and this info is not overwritten by the usual firmware upgrades.
Cheers
Going back off topic ;), it is interesting to see how strongly Wales is represented in the forum.
Quote from: kinmel on Mar 02, 2008, 07:08:45
Thanks for that.
The DNS poisoning is working on your Dual SSID, which is good.
What are the first 4 characters of the Serial Number ?
So we now know that the Dual has at least 2 BT versions of the Greenlight provisioning information and this info is not overwritten by the usual firmware upgrades.
Cheers
Ignoring Rik's attempt at hijacking the thread, ;) so, all these constant entries in the log are 'normal', Kinmel? I can't help wondering if it's making itself too 'busy', and whether this could be affecting the connection? The first 4 digits of the SN are 2207.
:tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: ;D
Quote from: Simon on Mar 02, 2008, 10:14:42
Ignoring Rik's attempt at hijacking the thread, ;) so, all these constant entries in the log are 'normal', Kinmel? I can't help wondering if it's making itself too 'busy', and whether this could be affecting the connection? The first 4 digits of the SN are 2207.
It is strange, the Provisioning URLs in your modem are the same as the Single SSID version, whilst other Duals with earlier and later production dates have the second set of Provisioning URLs.
Did yours arrive in it's sealed wrapping, or had it been opened ? If it had already been opened, then I suspect it had previously been hacked in some way and that could be a source of some of your problems.
The CWMD command is being issued as part of the re-boot process, but is being defeated by the DNS poisoning, I assume the router's processor is designed to be busy, you could turn off the poisoning and see if there is an improvement.
Quote from: kinmel on Mar 02, 2008, 10:40:02
It is strange, the Provisioning URLs in your modem are the same as the Single SSID version, whilst other Duals with earlier and later production dates have the second set of Provisioning URLs.
Did yours arrive in it's sealed wrapping, or had it been opened ? If it had already been opened, then I suspect it had previously been hacked in some way and that could be a source of some of your problems.
The CWMD command is being issued as part of the re-boot process, but is being defeated by the DNS poisoning, I assume the router's processor is designed to be busy, you could turn off the poisoning and see if there is an improvement.
No, it wasn't brand new, and I don't know if it had been previously hacked. I just followed the instructions for DNS poisoning, which seemed to work.
To be honest, I beginning to wonder if these just won't work properly once they've been 'interfered' with. They are designed to work on BT, and that's that, perhaps?
If I turn off poisoning, won't it revert to the default log in?
Quote from: Simon on Mar 02, 2008, 10:45:24
No, it wasn't brand new, and I don't know if it had been previously hacked. I just followed the instructions for DNS poisoning, which seemed to work.
To be honest, I beginning to wonder if these just won't work properly once they've been 'interfered' with. They are designed to work on BT, and that's that, perhaps?
If I turn off poisoning, won't it revert to the default log in?
Now you are up and running you do not need the poisoning to keep going, I would take the entries back out and see if that improves anything.
OK, will give it a go. :) Should I reboot or anything?
yep, re-boot ( and pray ;) )
What I'm wondering is whether there is a generic firmware out there somewhere for dual SSID models. Surely 2Wire don't make them sole for BT...
If I reboot, I'll have to start the 14 day thing all over again!! :argh:
Yup... Life's a female dog. :(
The firmware is generic and then use different Activation Keys to set the router up with ISP specific provisioning.
BT use 528Y - 27G4 - A222 - 22BJ - B22V and for manual set up you use 5225-2374-WG62-22AS-BJ7P.
On top of this 2Wire then flash each modem with specific Provisioning Information for BT, or whoever. The URLs we poison are specific to BT's Provisioning Info. Bt use 2Wire's in-built Greenlight technology to then make changes to the router's firmware and Provisioning Info.
The whole process is explained Here (http://www.2wire.com/?p=295)
Quote from: Simon on Mar 02, 2008, 11:18:37
If I reboot, I'll have to start the 14 day thing all over again!!
It depends on how urgent it is to do the re-boot.
Ah, now this is interesting - I did do the reboot, and now syncing much faster, but something is worrying:
Troubleshooting – DSL Diagnostics
General Information
DSL Line (Wire Pair): Line 1 (inner pair)
Downstream Rate Cap: 8128 kbps
Downstream Atten. at 300kHz: 31.6 dB
Uncancelled Echo: -16.6 dB Ok
VCXO Frequency Offset: -1.4 ppm Ok
Final Rx Gain: 21.2 dB Ok
Impulse Noise Comp. Tones: 1 Suspicious - impulse noise detected
Excessive Impulse Noise: 0 Ok
Impulse noise protection: 1.50
Delay of latency path: 8.00 ms
Time Line Rate Max1 Max2 Max3 Mgn1 Mgn2 Attn Pwr
08/03/02 11:25:21 GMT 1 4928 4972 4876 4876 15.1 15.0 34.9 19.8
Ted or Dean explained that to me once, Simon. I'm typing through a migraine and about to drop offlibe, but do a search on impulse noise, it should find it.
I'm going to have to leave this now, and come back to it later. Hope you feel better soon, Rik.
Quote from: kinmel on Mar 02, 2008, 11:22:58
The firmware is generic and then use different Activation Keys to
I always knew about the activation keys, but is the firmware not BT-branded at all?
Quote from: Rik on Mar 02, 2008, 11:33:09
I'm typing through a migraine and about to drop offlibe
I hope you feel better, Rik. :)
Kind of, thanks, Sebby. :)
Quote from: kinmel on Mar 02, 2008, 10:40:02
It is strange, the Provisioning URLs in your modem are the same as the Single SSID version, whilst other Duals with earlier and later production dates have the second set of Provisioning URLs.
Did yours arrive in it's sealed wrapping, or had it been opened ? If it had already been opened, then I suspect it had previously been hacked in some way and that could be a source of some of your problems.
The CWMD command is being issued as part of the re-boot process, but is being defeated by the DNS poisoning, I assume the router's processor is designed to be busy, you could turn off the poisoning and see if there is an improvement.
Mine has the https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com/ every 4 mins too - it is a dual with the 5.29.107.12 software and has been in use for a while but the software has not updated. hardware is 2701-100589-xxx
Why did you ask about once per day?
Mike
Quote from: miker on Mar 02, 2008, 13:49:36
Why did you ask about once per day?
The modem calls home at a precise time each day if the ADSL line is open, mine calls ......
INF 2008-03-01T07:59:55Z cwmd: retried session started, server: 'https://pbthdm2.bt.motive.com/cwmpWeb/CPEMgt', event code(s): '4 VALUE CHANGE,1 BOOT'
INF 2008-03-01T08:00:01Z cwmd: session completed successfully
INF 2008-03-01T08:00:01Z cwmd: session started, server: 'https://pbthdm2.bt.motive.com/cwmpWeb/CPEMgt', event code(s): '4 VALUE CHANGE,2 PERIODIC'
INF 2008-03-01T08:00:04Z cwmd: session completed successfully
Does using the other activation key that you posted get rid of the BT stuff? I thought it actually a custom BT firmware.
The Bt branding is part of the BT Provisioning overlay, you can't delete it, but you can use the 2wire native pages at router summary pages (http://192.168.1.254/xslt?PAGE=J01&THISPAGE=J02&NEXTPAGE=J01) for example.
lemme run this past you guys
the WOEFUL results I was getting with the 2wire HG1800 router occurred when the cable that connects from the adsl filter to the adsl port on the modem was a cable that at each end has two little gold , I call em connection points as I dont know the proper term. My brother, who gave me the 2wire said he gave me an adsl cable for use with the 2wire that has 4 of those little connection points at each end.
I have the DLink hooked up to my pc once more and I am using the 2 connection points adsl cable that Ive always used with it . My line is interleaved and the DLink is connecting at 8128k sync and 6500k IP profile, Im expecting the IP profile to rise to 7150k once more with next day or so. Either way, at 6500k profile, I am getting download speeds circa 6250kb/sec and you cannot complain about that.
Does my bro have a point that the other adsl with its 4 conections at each end and hooked up to the 2wire will free it up to release its max throughput speeds and not the rubbish I was getting when it was used with the other adsl cable ?
If it aint broke dont fix it are words I think are very wise , but is there anybody out there who thinks that other cable WILL make the 2wire run like a V8 instead of the Lada 1200CC I found it to be.
What do you think ?
James :think:
I doubt it, James. The router only needs a pair of wires, if the cable was on the wrong pair, it wouldn't work at all. OTOH, a quick swap will tell you for sure.
you see the 4 connection adsl cable rik, I hooked it up to the dlink router and got download speed of 1900kb/sec...............I then hooked the 2 connection adsl cable back up to the dlink and got download speed of 6250kb/sec .
you can probably see why ive held off reconnecting the 2wire router and other adsl cable .
what do you make of that situation ?
James
I have just checked the cables supplied with an un-used 2700HGV and 2Wire provide an ADSL cable with only the 2 centre terminals visible, so that is the correct one to use.
Quote from: Simon on Mar 02, 2008, 11:32:01
Ah, now this is interesting - I did do the reboot, and now syncing much faster, but something is worrying:
Troubleshooting – DSL Diagnostics
General Information
DSL Line (Wire Pair): Line 1 (inner pair)
Downstream Rate Cap: 8128 kbps
Downstream Atten. at 300kHz: 31.6 dB
Uncancelled Echo: -16.6 dB Ok
VCXO Frequency Offset: -1.4 ppm Ok
Final Rx Gain: 21.2 dB Ok
Impulse Noise Comp. Tones: 1 Suspicious - impulse noise detected
Excessive Impulse Noise: 0 Ok
Impulse noise protection: 1.50
Delay of latency path: 8.00 ms
Time Line Rate Max1 Max2 Max3 Mgn1 Mgn2 Attn Pwr
08/03/02 11:25:21 GMT 1 4928 4972 4876 4876 15.1 15.0 34.9 19.8
So, has there been any improvement since you stopped the poisoning ?
Well, the sync rate had definitely improved, as can be seen above. It was less than 4000 before, with the poisoning running. That said, it seems to have dropped again now, from when I posted the stats you quoted, and I'm still getting this every 4 minutes:
QuoteINF 2008-03-04T13:23:20Z cwmd: session will be retried in 248517(ms)
INF 2008-03-04T13:27:50Z cwmd: retried session started, server: 'https://cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com', event code(s): '0 BOOTSTRAP'
WRN 2008-03-04T13:28:50Z cwmd: httpc_poll_dispatch - Connection timed out
WRN 2008-03-04T13:28:50Z cwmd: session failed...
Also, not sure why, but I've now got two lines of stats, so now I'm even more confuddled:
Time Line Rate Max1 Max2 Max3 Mgn1 Mgn2 Attn Pwr CRCs FECs INP DLY
2008/03/03 22:58:28 GMT 1 4928 4972 3696 3696 15.1 10.0 34.9 19.8 844 12382 1.50 8.00
2008/03/04 17:59:04 GMT 1 3904 3912 4564 4564 15.1 17.0 34.9 19.8 119 2554 1.84 8.00
The first one is the last sync time and data, the second is the current data, Simon.
Ah, so the BT thing last night hit me at 22:58:28, causing the broken sync, yes? It's actually not too bad at the moment, then, but the SNR has gone up from last night. :(
It may have just been a noise resync, Simon, difficult to know unless you check the detailed log or stats for other clues. Paul didn't see a re-sync though, only a PPP drop, iirc.
Perhaps another reboot? I've got nothing to lose, seeing as I lost the 14 day thing yesterday.
If you're going to reboot, do it in the morning when you'll get the extra speed. There's no advantage to doing it now, I suspect you'd get a similar sync.