The BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7205059.stm) is reporting that SP1 for Vista will stop some programs working. It lists:
BitDefender AV
Fujitsu Shock Sensor
Jiangmin KV Antivirus 10
Jiangmin KV Antivirus 2008
Trend Micro Internet Security
Zone Alarm Security Suite
Iron Speed Designer
Xheo Licensing
Free Allegiance
NYT Reader
Rising Personal Firewall
Novell ZCM Agent
Oh joy!
There's more here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/935796
Thanks for the info - look's like I'll be safe as long as the list doesn't grow!
I suggested that on another thread Rik...little did I know. ;D
You knew, In, we are talking MS after all. :)
Can't MS get nothing right?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/22/vista_sp1_security_products/
No. Next question? :)
Also being discussed here:
http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=6250.msg117181#msg117181
Opps. didnt see that... posting on here while sorting out one of our servers thats gone down isn't a good idea :-\
Feel free to delete this...
I'll merge it, Paul. :)
The thing that some media sources seem to love not mentioning is that all these companies would have been aware that this will occur for a long time. It's actually more the fault of the company making the 3rd party software if they haven't upgraded their software by the time SP1 is released.
This is what release candidates are for.
Quote from: Lance on Feb 22, 2008, 13:24:45
Thanks for the info - look's like I'll be safe as long as the list doesn't grow!
Don't worry Lance. This is top software company Microsoft we're talking about here. They will have properly and exhaustively researched all the applications that will be affected by SP1 and will have made strenuous efforts to ensure all users are aware. I think you can sleep soundly knowing the list is of affected apps is complete.
8)
:pmsl: :karmic:
Don't get me started on Vista :mad: I'm on XP but my husband had to get a new computer (basically he blew up his old one :eek4:) and he's on Vista.... causes no end of problems.....
You have my deepest sympathies, Chris. The Valium are in the pst. ;)
Be fun to see what XP sp3 does :-\ I think IE7 comes with it now but I'm not sure, XP sp2 broke loads of applications so its par for the course and I think most of those listed have updates now, for me it will be reformat and install SP3 for safety.
I'm just going to sit and watch for a while...
If it has IE7 by default, Billy boy can put it where the sun don't shine. ;)
What, Manchester? :)
Quote from: Rik on Feb 25, 2008, 10:57:30
I'm just going to sit and watch for a while...
That bit goes with out saying to start with Rik ;)
Quote from: Inactive on Feb 25, 2008, 11:02:34
If it has IE7 by default, Billy boy can put it where the sun don't shine. ;)
Shame In, the new version of IE7 has the menu bar on by default, a antiphishing feature like firefox a rss feed reader and better security than IE6 which has an overall impact on many parts of XP not just the browser thats the only reason I installed it as it tightens up security in windows in general, you would be amazed at what is tied in to IE, and don't forget IE8 is in the works now :sigh: roll on FF 3
Quote from: Inactive on Feb 25, 2008, 11:21:08
Wales Rik.. :out:
I lived there for a while, and I would have to agree In ;D North Wales is different though, beside it being north that is ;D
Scotland is different too. And better ;) :out:
Quote from: Killhippie on Feb 25, 2008, 11:23:10
Shame In, the new version of IE7 has the menu bar on by default,
I would have IE7, but only if I could keep IE6 as well, sadly I cannot. :'( :'(
Quote from: Rik on Feb 25, 2008, 11:26:32
Scotland is different too. And better ;) :out:
I liked Scotland better than Wales Rik, no offence to the Welsh, it just had something that made me want to look around, like my wallet maybe :out:
Quote from: Killhippie on Feb 25, 2008, 11:24:46
I lived there for a while, and I would have to agree In ;D North Wales is different though, beside it being north that is ;D
The real differnce between N and S Wales is;
South Wales, they don't talk to the English;
North Wales they do talk to the English, but only in a foreign language.. :out:
Quote from: Inactive on Feb 25, 2008, 11:32:14
The real differnce between N and S Wales is;
South Wales, they don't talk to the English;
North Wales they do talk to the English, but only in a foreign language.. :out:
a bit like Liverpool really since its so close
You leave Scouseland alone Gary - it's my adopted home at the mo, and I'm lovin it - some ofthe time anyways ;)
Anyways, bring this thread back on topic (I know - boring aren't I?), I've read all sorts about this SP1 thing, and the big XP fans crowing about it all. The thought that struck me was - can nobody remember the absolute shambles that was XP SP2, or are some people just using their selective memories? Yep - MS should have learnt form that, and to be honest I think they have to a certain extent because they are actually warning you this time. Looking at the list and checking it out, most of those listed already have updates available that will be compatible with SP1.
From what I have read, the problem is occurring because of the way that these hook into the kernel of the OS. MS tries to make the OS more secure and what do they get apart from loads of biased press that is just itching to have a go at them? I'm not pretending that I love MS or Bill Gates, but to be honest I think that all this coverage is pretty much ( to borrow a phrase from my good friend Will ), much ado about nothing.
*ducks to avoid the missiles I can hear ready to be thrown at me ;D*
No, Mad, I haven't forgotten SP2. I waited a good long time before installing it. :)
Me too Rik - about 2 years in the end ;D
Was worth it though - didn't have a problem
Me neither. By the time I put it on, just before they stopped doing updates for SP1, all the issues had been sorted. I'm not cautious, I'm very cautious. :)
To be honest, I think I'm gonna wait before putting SP1 on the laptop to see what comes up. Have been looking at replacing my desktop too, but am now gonna put it off until they come preinstalled with SP1 to save me the bother.
Sounds like a plan. I've used a similar strategy in the past myself.
Quote from: Killhippie on Feb 25, 2008, 11:30:01
I liked Scotland better than Wales Rik, no offence to the Welsh, it just had something that made me want to look around, like my wallet maybe :out:
I live in Wales, and I agree with you. It's all very boring around here. Obviously there are some very nice areas of countryside, but the same can be said of anywhere. Personally I'd like to live in a nice part of Scotland, or southern Ireland (with lots of read heads skipping through the heather :D)
The problem is idiot software develops who don't keep programs up to date. SP1 beta has been around for a while - more than enough to check compatability and patch their code if necessary.
I'm actually running it now (cheers to friend for his MSDN login :D) and have had no problems at all.
I always feel most sorry for the people who use PCs and aren't technical.
These, the same people who have auto update enabled. They may buy some magazines for free programs, usually a previous version of the program.
So these people also dont know how to check to see whats on the incompatible list. They wont know how to check the web for the patch to fix the problems.
So sadly the people who are most affected by bad releases of software and patch updates are the same people who dont know how to fix it. :-\
Very true, Bob. They are also generally the ones who have no idea about security, AV etc. :(
Quote from: bob_s on Mar 09, 2008, 09:20:45
I always feel most sorry for the people who use PCs and aren't technical.
These, the same people who have auto update enabled. They may buy some magazines for free programs, usually a previous version of the program.
So these people also dont know how to check to see whats on the incompatible list. They wont know how to check the web for the patch to fix the problems.
So sadly the people who are most affected by bad releases of software and patch updates are the same people who dont know how to fix it. :-\
I was sort of one of those people once. I grew up with ZX81s, spectrums, Amigas, Acorn Electrons, BBC model A and Bs, some Amstrad behemoths, Apple touch screens (in the early eighties!) and finally PC (which were very basic pre windows, DOS based things). I had a break from using them every day for nearly 8 years and finally decided to splash out on a P3 600. Because of my gap in knowledge at the time I was trying all sorts of free programs. It didn't take long to realise that while these area good taster, it's abundantly clear that updates are needed or they don't work properly, or at all!