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Poll
Question: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Option 1: yes votes: 13
Option 2: no votes: 11
Title: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: somanyholes on Feb 21, 2008, 13:44:02
just to see how different this community is to a different poll run by sophos, available here, please try to vote honestly ;)

http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2007/11/wi-fi.html
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 21, 2008, 14:04:29
I'm a yes. There's two in my vicinity that I took a look at to find who was being so stupid.
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: somanyholes on Feb 21, 2008, 14:07:24
think u already know my answer as you where the second vote ;)



Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 21, 2008, 14:10:58
Yes. :)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 21, 2008, 14:15:57
Just knew you'd have to start this........

I'm a no, being the innocent little hoob I am 8)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: somanyholes on Feb 21, 2008, 14:17:21
innocent my a*~@  :D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Gary on Feb 21, 2008, 14:17:47
I'm a yes, out of curiosity like Rik :angel:
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 21, 2008, 14:19:25
Quote from: somanyholes on Feb 21, 2008, 14:17:21
innocent my a*~@  :D

You're destroying my good reputation on here - you know that don't you?  ;D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Simon on Feb 21, 2008, 14:22:45
I have tried, out of curiosity, but didn't get anywhere, so I guess that's a No.
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: ST Driver on Feb 21, 2008, 14:33:50
I'd be a yes   :o
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Danni on Feb 21, 2008, 14:37:11
Yes, for curiosity. With permission I even breached someone's WEP encyption.
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 21, 2008, 14:38:26
Hi Danni

Nice to see you here. :)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Danni on Feb 21, 2008, 14:41:24
You can't keep me away for long, Rik :)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Baz on Feb 21, 2008, 14:44:17
yes for educational porpoises......and it was on my daughters lappy :D :D :D   so covered myself there  ;)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 21, 2008, 14:45:26
My word - this place is even more lawless than the Sophos lot.  ;)

I'm expecting some gunslinger to ride into town any minute now, and slience all the locals in the saloon just by walking in........   ;D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 21, 2008, 14:48:51
Wait till Old Bill shows up. :)  :police:
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: somanyholes on Feb 21, 2008, 14:51:45
QuoteWait till Old Bill shows up
pmsl

mad reckon your safe from gunslingers, they have problems seeing hoobs, seeing as hoobs are so small.
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Gary on Feb 21, 2008, 14:53:54
Quote from: somanyholes on Feb 21, 2008, 14:51:45
pmsl

mad reckon your safe from gunslingers, they have problems seeing hoobs, seeing as hoobs are so small.
And you can hide them by turning the TV off ::)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: somanyholes on Feb 21, 2008, 14:55:47
 :hehe:
QuoteAnd you can hide them by turning the TV off

love that one
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 21, 2008, 14:55:54
Quote from: somanyholes on Feb 21, 2008, 14:51:45
pmsl

mad reckon your safe from gunslingers, they have problems seeing hoobs, seeing as hoobs are so small.

Not everything about us is small  ;), but  :phew: all the same .

Having said that - you're not much bigger so you should be safe too  ;D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 21, 2008, 14:56:27
Quote from: Killhippie on Feb 21, 2008, 14:53:54
And you can hide them by turning the TV off ::)

Not if you live in Hoobland like me  ;)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: kinmel on Feb 21, 2008, 15:11:25
My neighbour and I regularly, but sensibly, use each others connection, it all depends on which connection has the best signal when your at the bottom of the gardens with the lappie.

Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Inactive on Feb 21, 2008, 15:24:50
I don't do Polls, but my answer is No, nor would I. ;)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Gary on Feb 21, 2008, 15:33:21
Quote from: madasahatter on Feb 21, 2008, 14:56:27
Not if you live in Hoobland like me  ;)
No that's just a case of increasing the medication :tongue: :tongue: ;)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 21, 2008, 15:35:47
Quote from: Killhippie on Feb 21, 2008, 15:33:21
No that's just a case of increasing the medication :tongue: :tongue: ;)

don't let the men in white coats come for me please Gary - I'm happy where I am  ;D

Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Gary on Feb 21, 2008, 15:36:48
Quote from: madasahatter on Feb 21, 2008, 15:35:47
don't let the men in white coats come for me please Gary - I'm happy where I am  ;D
You're safe on this forum Mad, don't worry ;D ;D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Lance on Feb 21, 2008, 19:35:35
My answer is a yes! A couple of times when I've house sat my girlfriend's sisters' place, I've taken my lappy and logged on a network in range! Out of curiosity, I once found the ip of the router, logged onto it using the default username and password and saw which isp they were using - it was talk talk!

The thing is, when I have three different unprotected networks to choose from when I'm there, ranging from strong to medium signals, I'm spoilt for choice!
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Captain K on Feb 21, 2008, 20:27:12
Yes, a couple of times.  Once at home, to see which of my neighbours was being such a wally.  The second time was when on hols in Australia at Christmas - no internet connection in our apartment, but it was a large apartment block and the wife "badly" needed the internet, so I had a snoop.  5 unsecured networks in range!  I let her send a couple of emails before guilt got the better of my and I disconnected.  :angel:
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Baz on Feb 21, 2008, 22:17:52
question here. If you 'used' someone elses connection do they get any indication on their system that some one has connected
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Lance on Feb 21, 2008, 22:28:11
Possibly not. The 2wire 2700HGV does show devices which have connected, whether they are currently active or not. It shows them either by PC name or ip number (in the case of my mobile phone). However, my linksys never used to show anything like that at all.

The only way they may be able to tell is if they see the lights on the router flashing when they wouldn't expect them to be.
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Baz on Feb 21, 2008, 22:36:55
what about along the lines of similar to plugging in a USB pen drive, you get the icon popping up in the taskbar...anything like that.

I would like to think that if I was daft enough to not secure my network that I would at least be able to tell if someone was using it.

Saying that though, I still know of people that dont have any AV protection on their machines  :o :o.  never understand that

Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Lance on Feb 21, 2008, 22:47:45
I don't think you'll get anything like that Baz. Like i said above, I think the only way you'll ever tell if someone has used your connection is by either getting a 2wire 2700 or by watching your activity lights on the router.
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 22, 2008, 00:02:24
Or, if you're not using wireless yourself and the light comes on... Lance is right though, check the network, it will show you what has connected and whether it's active, to a point.
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Ann on Feb 22, 2008, 09:34:02
No, from me.. too honest and guilt ridden.
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 22, 2008, 09:45:32
I have some Freudian training if you want to discuss it, Ann. ;)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: MoHux on Feb 22, 2008, 22:25:27
I'm a NO ............ what's wireless??  :stars:
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Simon on Feb 23, 2008, 00:12:13
Don't tell me you never had a wireless, Mo! 

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Fisher_500_radio.jpg/180px-Fisher_500_radio.jpg)   ;D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Lance on Feb 23, 2008, 00:19:39
:lol:
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: MoHux on Feb 23, 2008, 01:08:31
Oh! You are iggerant!!  Us technically minded people call them things RADIOS!!  :sigh:

Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Simon on Feb 23, 2008, 01:18:57
Did you know, they don't even have valves any more?  (http://si6776.www.idnet.com/smileys/giggle.gif)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: MoHux on Feb 23, 2008, 01:32:36
Valves??  My cars got valves.  :-\  My radio has this little crystal.  I keep pinching the cats whiskers, but I still can't get it to work!!  :stars:
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Inactive on Feb 23, 2008, 02:10:10
 :rofl:
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 23, 2008, 04:38:36
Try the other cat's whisker, Mo. :) (Actually, I remember building crystal sets as a kid...)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Moley on Feb 23, 2008, 10:01:00
Yes but by mistake have to say!  One of my neighbours has an unprotected network - now WEP or WPA - and my laptop connected to it when my isp was down (Tiscali strikes again).  I wish I knew who it belonged to so I could warn them..
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 23, 2008, 10:37:10
If you right-click the connectoid in the system tray, Chris, you can 'view all networks', if you see it there, its SSID may give you a clue.
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: somanyholes on Feb 23, 2008, 19:30:28
QuoteYes but by mistake have to say!  One of my neighbours has an unprotected network - now WEP or WPA - and my laptop connected to it when my isp was down (Tiscali strikes again).  I wish I knew who it belonged to so I could warn them..

just use a laptop and use netsumbler, you can then walk around and see how string signal strength is, the stronger the signal the nearer you are to it. However people may not take kindly to being told, as they may think you have been doing things, you can never tell how people will react.
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Philip on Feb 23, 2008, 19:40:18
no, but i would if i could  >:D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Ted on Feb 23, 2008, 21:05:22
Sounds like a good idea but don't get caught (http://itn.co.uk/news/1112943368020a45ac5052f568ddbde1.html)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: somanyholes on Feb 23, 2008, 23:04:36
all it is, is passive scanning so there is no risk. You are not actually connecting to any devices so laws are not broken by looking at signal strength.
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 25, 2008, 17:41:00
Quote from: somanyholes on Feb 23, 2008, 19:30:28
just use a laptop and use netsumbler, you can then walk around and see how string signal strength is

Anyone who actually does that really does need to get a life  ;D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 25, 2008, 17:42:27
You've been quiet today, Mad. Busy day?
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 25, 2008, 18:12:27
Yeah Rik - I'm actually having to do some work - and I ain't liking it :mad:
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 25, 2008, 18:17:47
My sympathies. If I try hard, I can just remember what you're talking about.  >:D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 25, 2008, 18:21:25
thansk Rik - that makes me feel SO much better  ;D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 25, 2008, 18:26:27
We aim to please. ;)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 25, 2008, 18:31:10
just too bad you don't aim to come here and do my work for me   ;D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 25, 2008, 18:32:42
Would I find it interesting?
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 25, 2008, 18:43:52
errrmmmm - well today I've been studying the configuration of wireless firewalls ready for a course I'm going on in a couple of weeks. I'm up to my eyes in WIDS and RAPD, not to mention PAPs and CHAPs etc
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 25, 2008, 18:45:27
Well, once you've got them sussed, come and explain it all to me, will you. :)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 25, 2008, 18:50:00
You mean you want a nice bedtime story that'll send you to sleep?  ;D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 25, 2008, 18:50:32
Yes, that would be handy. Could you do a podcast maybe. :)
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: madasahatter on Feb 25, 2008, 18:52:20
Maybe - once I've learned about podcasting - it may take some little time.................. :D
Title: Re: Have you ever Piggybacked wireless (even hit connect)
Post by: Rik on Feb 25, 2008, 18:57:05
 ;D

It's OK, I've got a stack of books that I'm not managing to read to keep me going in the interim. :)