Idnet kindly lentme a Netgear DG834G to test my line stats.
Current stats are
QuoteADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 8128 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 27 db 7 db
Noise Margin 11 db 26 db
After a few minutes up time.
My stats before were:
QuoteLine Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 13.5 / 26.0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 13.0 / 23.0
Has the router helped or do i need to do more? I want the best performance before i consider moving to supermax.
Those stats look pretty good to be honest, Lance will give you the heads up but I think you would be fine upgrading ;D
Well, it seems that your reported (not actual) attenuation has doubled, but I think that is an issue with the Netgear router (Rik can confirm this).
I think, with your stats, you would be fine upgrading!
ps IDNet lending a router is a great service!
Quote from: Lance on Sep 24, 2007, 20:41:08
Well, it seems that your attenuation has doubled, but I think that is an issue with the Netgear router (Rik can confirm this).
I think, with your stats, you would be fine upgrading!
ps IDNet lending a router is a great service!
I could not imagine any other ISP lending a router, shows the level of commitment they have for their customers ;D
Hear hear!
I can either buy this off them or send it back and get a sexy draytek vigor :p
I know it may be adequate but before i was getting random disconnects, poor pings compared to earlier on (double?) plus poor sync and random connection error in counter strike.
Its a 1960s housei think and the ring wire etc. is untouched afaik. Plus its a standard face plate to filter if a all in one faceplate would help.
I will only consider doing it if the gain would be actually well worth it
My problems were probably down to the router tho tbh
Sounds like your old router is on the way out for sure! As for which replacement, I've never used Netgear or Draytek so can't recommend either way!
One thing I would recommend doing is removing the ring wire - it's quick and easy. As for a filtered faceplate, you may see some benefit when it comes to ADSL2 but I think your stats are good enough to stick with normal faceplate and soap-on-a-rope filter!
So compared to before my line stats are a lot better? >:D
Quote from: Lance on Sep 24, 2007, 20:50:19
Sounds like your old router is on the way out for sure! As for which replacement, I've never used Netgear or Draytek so can't recommend either way!
One thing I would recommend doing is removing the ring wire - it's quick and easy. As for a filtered faceplate, you may see some benefit when it comes to ADSL2 but I think your stats are good enough to stick with normal faceplate and soap-on-a-rope filter!
Netgears are pretty good at holding on to a signal when the noise gets bad, and they are not expensive and get good reviews, I have used Netgear for years and never had issue, my v3 DG834G works fine and the wifi is great for what I use it for, if you need the features in the vigor then go for it but if not the Netgears are good little boxes I agree with Lance about filtered face plates I have one but my signal was poor, the soap on a rope type are fine for your stats, using a good one makes a difference the adsl nation ones are fantastic, I have the adsl nation faceplate and it really helped, but you seem pretty solid with what you have.
Main reason for choosing draytek is that they seem very professional (please tell me the still look easy to configure lol)
My speedtouch 580 was unreliable and kept forgetting firewall settings.
Even with this netgear my feckin wireless signal is low/very low in my room. I think the drayteks have better wireless?
Just need something easy, powerful and suitable for large bandwidth movement during the occassional lan party :p
Now i want to know if I should buy this off them or take the plunge for a bit more on a draytek vigor 2800g (off ebay ofc). I understand the vigor is just pure 1337 but will i use all that stuff?
I like the idea of extra security but dont like the idea of potentially harder to setup. This netgear gives me "low" signal strength in my bedroom which isnt too good but seems to give a good strength wired.
Is the draytek that harder to setup and will i find a use for its sh1teloads of features?
Im what you'd call an everyday user on steroids - not quite power user but as i progress through my network course in college i may find a use for features?
Cheers
Idnet ftw
DOuble post FTWWWWW
Hi Sam
I had a Draytek 2600 pre-Max and it was excellent, albeit overkill for my needs and quite complex to set up. However, it had issues with the line when I went to Max, and the humble Netgear stepped up and did a better job (whilst being a doddle to set up). Netgears halve the u/s attenuation, so the figures between the two routers are pretty sinilar really, it's down to whether the Netgear hangs on better.
If not, the 2 Wire 2700 might be a stronger candidate for you.
Quote from: mrapoc on Sep 24, 2007, 21:14:18
Main reason for choosing draytek is that they seem very professional (please tell me the still look easy to configure lol)
My speedtouch 580 was unreliable and kept forgetting firewall settings.
Even with this netgear my feckin wireless signal is low/very low in my room. I think the drayteks have better wireless?
Just need something easy, powerful and suitable for large bandwidth movement during the occassional lan party :p
The reviews which I'm sure you have read say its a great router but not for the faint hearted as it has a lot of settings, I'm sure you could master them though but its a pricy beast but you get what you pay for, try changing the channel on the netgear to see if that helps also using the verticle stand may help and positioning makes a lot of difference, I get a good signal though two stone walls with the DG834G, the Vigor does look solid though, it all depends on your needs as I said before, it does seem more suited to a business environment to be honest. Have a good look around for price and maybe avoid ebay, you have more comeback with a reputable online retailer in my view with electronics, and order one if you want after checking both positive and negative reviews, if you don't like it you can return it under the distance seller act on the basis you never physically saw the product before you bought it. The Netgear or the 2 wire as Rik suggested should really be enough for most people though ;D
Got a link to a good price for the 2 wire? Im not sure how much idnet want off me for this one :laugh:
What the cheapest the Draytek could be got for without fleabay?
Lance might be able to point you at a 2 Wire, Sam (or Red).
This seemed to be a cheap-ish source of Drayteks:
http://www.datacommsdirect.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=227&gclid=CNjL-ZKe3o4CFQHklAodrhrCMw
I paid about £40 for my 2wire 2700HGV, think they tend to go for £40-£50.
As far as I know, the only UK source (ither than paying for a BT business package!) is ebay.
I paid £25 delivered for my 2wire which was fully unlocked from fleabay via ydrol
Not so easy to get now as many people I know have bought them up
Still a few around
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BT-Business-Hub-2Wire-2700HGV-2700-HGV-VOIP_W0QQitemZ320162365822QQihZ011QQcategoryZ44997QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
That one is cheaper than mine but not unlocked yet.
There is also a BNIB for sale with no reserve at the mo
Can't rate my highly enough esp for poor lines but tbh you seem to have a great line.
ReD
MAABOF
That's a good deal! I was watching prices for about a month before getting mine and not one sold for under £35!
As for unlocking, there is a simple trick you can do which doesn't involve reflashing with different firmware - it's a simple DNS entry. As ReD has said, these are particularly good on long/poor lines.
I might take a look at the 2wire for my line, it's approx 3.5km from the exchange with a 59db. Do you think it would improve my connection, I doubt it but it could be worth a try?
You might find it makes your connection a little bit more stable. I know others with high attenuations have had good results.
My attenuation is 51.5 and, compared to my old linksys, the 2wire holds the line much better and I don't see the noise margin decrease as much.
Hi glen, the 2wire changed my line and profile beyond my wildest dreams. I think that they are so good I would even use it to make my dinner on ;) If you are having problems I would expect these to improve the situation.
OK cheers guys, I'll take a look around and see what I can find.
I have a 2 wire and its just great. :)
Have a look at these.
http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&shortcut=0&from=R41&query=bt+bUSINESS+HUB%22+&category0=&Submit=Search
Idnet have got back with lines stats:
QuoteYour current synch rate is 8128 (with an SNR margin of 11dB) but your Profile is 4500. Detailed dignostic output is below. In essence I think it is saying that you are suffering from spike of electrical noise interference that is causing problems for your line. You will need to hunt down the cause and eliminate it.
Cheers
Simon
Prognosis: Prognosis for a period of 14 days from 12-Sep-2007 to 25-Sep-2007. The circuit is in sync throughout the period. The circuit has no dropping connections or errors. (Outcome Code:RRT1)
RRT Downstream Trends:
Trend Type Maximum Minimum Average Minimum Date Maximum Date Trend Message
Line Rate 5440 8128 5743 Multiple Multiple The line rate has varied by a considerable amount and frequently on just a few days during the analysis period. The line rate is within acceptable limits. Please see the average value.
Noise Margins 12 24 22 Mon Sep 24 00:00:01 BST 2007 Multiple The noise margin has varied by a small amount but occasionally on most of the days during the analysis period. This is normal behaviour for a DSL product and is not affecting the service in any way.The Noise margin is high. Please see the average value.
Transmission Errors 5 3600 3257 Wed Sep 12 00:00:01 BST 2007 Multiple There have been insignificant errors on the line during most parts of the day. This behaviour happens on most of the days during the analysis period. This is normal behaviour for a DSL product and is not affecting the service in any way.
LineAttenuation 26 26 26 Multiple Multiple This is not a long line and should be able to achieve MAX rates.
Uptime 900 86400 78608 Tue Sep 25 00:00:01 BST 2007 Multiple This circuit is up for an average 91.0% of the time.
Initializations 0 2 0 Multiple Multiple There have been a few initializations on the line during just a few parts of the day. This behaviour happens on just a few days during the analysis period.
Electrical interference? :-\ where? lol
Probably your internal wiring is picking it up. Does it run adjacent to mains wiring? Do you have multiple extensions? Can you move the router to the master socket and run long ethernet cables? Is your line overhead or underground, if the former, it will be more prone to RFI (and there's nothing you can do about it).
Quote from: Rik on Sep 26, 2007, 11:20:44
Probably your internal wiring is picking it up. Does it run adjacent to mains wiring? Do you have multiple extensions? Can you move the router to the master socket and run long ethernet cables? Is your line overhead or underground, if the former, it will be more prone to RFI (and there's nothing you can do about it).
I have issues with line noise at night causing sync events, I have overhead lines and a streetlight right by the side of them this causes interference at night, as Ric said check your internal wiring use shielded cat5 if possible and move your cable runs away from electricity cables if possible, but if its RFI there is nothing you can do as over head cables in essence act like large aerials.
Well 1st off i still have the ringwire
The phone socket is downstairs next to two electrical sockets.
This is the only phone socket we have.
I have "10 Meter Cat 5e Cable (blue if it matters :laugh:)" running from the router downstairs.
Our telephone wires are underground
Theres only our telephone and the adsl line plugged into mr "soap on a rope" :/
Hi Sam
If you only have one socket, you don't have a ringwire - it's only used when extensions are wired in (the circuitry is connected inside the master socket, so doesn't need a wire at that point).
It doesn't sound like there's a lot you can do, except get BT to re-locate the master socket (£160+). :(
Quote from: mrapoc on Sep 26, 2007, 16:43:48
Well 1st off i still have the ringwire
The phone socket is downstairs next to two electrical sockets.
This is the only phone socket we have.
I have "10 Meter Cat 5e Cable (blue if it matters :laugh:)" running from the router downstairs.
Our telephone wires are underground
Theres only our telephone and the adsl line plugged into mr "soap on a rope" :/
Think its the blue Cat 5e colour cabling, red is always faster like Ferrari's I mean a blue Ferrari would bound to be slow ;)
Haha!
What are my options then?
How does this 2wire perform, is it the thing to get at the moment?
Quote from: mrapoc on Sep 26, 2007, 17:11:06
Haha!
What are my options then?
How does this 2wire perform, is it the thing to get at the moment?
Meant to be great for long noisy lines, Lance is the man with the knowledge on them
Your options are a bit like mine, Sam, live with the line or move - unless you can persuade your parents to fork out for a master socket relocation, which might not achieve anything. What happens if you take the lappy down to the master socket/router - do you get any improvement?
All the reports I have seen on the 2 Wire have been enthusiastic, but I haven't tried one myself.
One thing you could try is de-tuning an AM radio, and wandering about the house, and particularly along the course of the phone and network wiring, listening for interference.
Ok I have a 2wire 2700hgv on the way for the princely sum of £14.51 delivered ;D
Nice!
Does it have QOS and any other useful stuff?
It looks pretty nifty on the surface :P
Where from glen? :p
http://www.digidave.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=47&products_id=379&osCsid=c1821c474a0d10f915baaa42246579b1
Deal? Im guessing this model only lacks the voip? :)
Sam, Once it arrives I'll let you know, it should be here tomorrow or Saturday. I got it off ebay, the 2 I was watching last night went for less than £12 + delivery, http://preview.tinyurl.com/228xsp
How is it glenn?
Sam,
It's a breeze to set-up following the instructions here (http://bt2700hgv.tripod.com/ir1002700HGVeditingRealms.htm) I have just put it in and it has connected at around a 10% increase from 2.4 - 2.6mbs. I can't see any QoS service on it but I'll have a look as I may have missed it. I'm still trying to workout how to set the static routing up too.
Is it good to use performance wise compared to whatever b4? :)
I find for wireless range, it's much better than my linksys used to be, and that's on the standard setting.
Using other firmware, you can crank up the power a fair bit, but using such high power is illegal in the UK ;D
It seems faster to display pages, I haven't tried it yet gaming as most of my race nights are Friday and Saturday's. As Lance says the wireless range seems good. I got a Dual SSID version so, as far as I know it can't be flashed with a different firmware just yet.
The router resync'd last night up another 200kbs to 2816, my Netgear never reached those levels on this line.
:iagree:
The 2700 is a seriously good bit of kit and I continue to be amazed at tis stability and power, plus has always given me higher speeds than any other router (and I am fortunte enough to have tried most of them)
Add the fact it costs very little compared so some of the pretty blue flashing lights types out there, I would say get one while you can, cos they are getting snapped up.
Dont forget your wetwipes though Glenn, you'll need them for your drool.............once you see how it eventually performs.
and no Rik I am not on commission with BT or 2WIRE or anyone !!!!
ReD
MAABOF
Quote from: ReDGryphoN on Oct 01, 2007, 12:24:07
and no Rik I am not on commission with BT or 2WIRE or anyone !!!!
;D
Did I say anything?
Quote from: Rik on Oct 01, 2007, 12:32:03
Did I say anything?
Not yet ! I am still watching you though..... 8)
ReD
MAABOF
I'm the one in the corner... ;)
I see you........
losing your religion..............
8)
ReD
MAABOF
Quote from: ReDGryphoN on Oct 01, 2007, 13:50:14
losing your religion..............
Never had much to lose... :evilb:
lol,
So im guessing gaming with it is quite a pleasure?
Lowest ping i seem to get nowadays is like 30 and thats on an idnet hosted server :(
Ill be sending the netgear back to idnet now...so this 2wire thingy is the thing to get?
Should i get it pre-unlocked or unlock it myself?
I like the sound of illegal - extra - power >:D
Is the HGV the one with wireless or what? :D
Cheerd
The HGV is wireless with VOIP. I think there is a HG which is without the VOIP, but I'm not sure if BT sold any of these.
If you want the illegal power, you have to try and get one with the older (v4) firmware. With that in mind, it makes no difference between buying a locked or unlocked one.
Unlocking a locked one without flashing the firmware (which must be done if you get one of the newer ones with v5 firmware) is easy enough to do, I think Glenn posed a good link.
With some help Lance ;)
:)
I have enquired which firmware this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BT-Business-Hub-2WIRE-2700HGV-Wireless-Router-UNLOCKED_W0QQitemZ250168578320QQihZ015QQcategoryZ44997QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) is on
Decent buy or could be had cheaper? Is this power illegal in uk cause it fries stuff? lol
So basically i need to aim for a v4 for full functionality unless there is better performance with v5?
Looks good, he has sold a few with good feedback.
Not sure on the version of mine will have to check.
ReD
MAABOF
Update, last week my Netgear 834G v2 router was connecting at 2416, the 2wire has re-sync'd over night from 2846 to;
Current Rate: 3264 kbs 448 kbs
Max Rate: 3264 kbs 932 kbs
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin: 6.0 dB 20.0 dB
Current Attenuation: 60.5 dB 31.5 dB
Current Output Power: 18.2 dBm 11.9 dBm
Impressive, Glenn - you've got a higher sync than me on a longer line.
I think we have another 2wire fan!
I think you may be right. :)
Not sure what the lownload rate is today, I had to leave for work straight after posting that update. I have told the guys at work with long lines, they are now looking at buying a 2wire each.
Yeah yeah yeah,
Go 2wire Go 2wire Go 2wire............
Drooltastic piece of kit........................
HGV2700 for the world baby !
Right ok I will shut up now...............
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
ReD
MAABOF
Wow and IDNet fanboy and now a 2Wire fanboy. Don't post on Think Broadband whatever you do. ;)
Might buy one tonight but im not sure which firmware etc. to go with...point me out to a good one some1 :laugh:
Mine is the Dual SSID 2700HGV it has the v5.29.107.19 firmware I think, but I can't confirm until I get home around 4.30
Here are the details from my router, its a Dual SSID version
Hardware Version: 2701-100589-005
Current Software: 5.29.117.6
Heres mine
2 WIRE SBC Software, all enalbed but not VoiP, full 10 scale wireless
Model: BT2700HGV
Serial Number: 440601045883
Hardware Version: 2701-100588-005
Software Version: 4.25.19
ReD
MAABOF
Rik, We keep telling you about 2wire, when are you going to join us? >:D
I just changed the faceplate and got a better lead and synch has gone up from 77 something to 8096 so that was worth doing.. now I'm waiting for my data rate to go up a notch. I saw here that someone just said that it isn't worth doing but I'd say it's worth a try.
Mind pointing a SBC firmware compatible router out to me on ebay plz? :)
Sam, I think you will need to ask the sellers what version they are using, I believe that you would want V4.25.x firmware, but best wait for one of the more experienced 2wire owners to confirm that.
Quote from: Den on Oct 03, 2007, 20:45:36
Rik, We keep telling you about 2wire, when are you going to join us? >:D
I'm waiting for all you beta testers to finish your work, Den. ;)
Quote from: Glenn on Oct 03, 2007, 22:32:09
Sam, I think you will need to ask the sellers what version they are using, I believe that you would want V4.25.x firmware, but best wait for one of the more experienced 2wire owners to confirm that.
I think that you are right Glenn :)
Useful post
http://www.dslzoneuk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5972&start=15
Couple of peeps to get the 2wire from, I know patioheater has a good rep and uses SBC software.
ReD
MAABOF
So that will be a simple plug and play kinda thing :D
Im looking into how much he/she charges. Is there an actual reason for the limit on wireless power?
I dont want to give my neighbourhood brain tumours and wake up glowing green etc.
Karma for all who have helped so far :)
The power is limited (on the UK units) to 100mw (?) which is the maximum UK allowed power. I think using the other firmware, it can be increased to 400mw.
Why have a limit... well first off it probably saves some networks conflicting ie if you have a densely populated area such as a block of flats, all the networks will be fighting for the same space.
Secondly, as you say, there *may* be a health issue, but when you consider all the radiowaves generated by the BBC I don't think it's going to be a great risk. However, don't hold me to that and I'm not responsible for any health or any other issues which occur as a result of upping the power! :)
I'd be surprised if anyone on my road had wireless...so that aint an issue. I could i spose only up the power if needed so i dont have any excess power :p
That would be the best idea! I've found the range at standard power to be a bit better than my old linksys router anyway - so you may not need to up it by much.
My IP profile has risen over the past 2 days from 1750kbs to 2000kbs, hopefully looking at its connection speed it should settle at 2500kbs, I'll be a very happy chappie if it does
Great news Glenn, you have gained a small speed increase already with the newish BRAS profile increments going over 1750.
The SBC software does allow you to use the max 10 level for wireless not just the limited 4 power level on other versions, however I have yet to test the improvement because in my old lath and plaster cob walled house I get good wireless already at level 4....................... AND for those who have the Netgear rangmax blue flashing PM model that supposedly kicks re wireless range, forget it, I have had one and it was pants compared to the 2700 at level 4. I could not get the Netgeat to go from my study to the kitchen..............barely 30 ft
I know I am a 2700 fanboy nerd but when you have suffered as I have with a poor line and BT and tried every "cure all" DMT tweaked and not router out there it was a blessing to stumble up the 2700 and IDNET.
Rock solid connections, great wireless and looks good on your desk too !!
ReD
MAABOF
Quote from: ReDGryphoN on Oct 05, 2007, 09:27:25
I know I am a 2700 fanboy nerd
It's OK, we understand such conditions here. :)
It's the dark side but I am learning to control it >:D >:D >:D >:D
ReD
MAABOF
Karmic riposte. ;D
patioheater on dslzoneuk is doing them for £47 inc special next day delivery.
might ask for a cheaper postal service
i feel so ill right now (and the past 3 days) its like meningitus without the rash :-\
owwww
Quote from: mrapoc on Oct 05, 2007, 12:03:10
might ask for a cheaper postal service
If they are using Royal Mail, Sam, that might not be a hood idea right now. :(
Quotei feel so ill right now (and the past 3 days) its like meningitus without the rash :-\
owwww
'Flu? Hope you feel better soon.
ye its a strong flu virus, had to check for a rash etc. tho ::) it aint too fun.
I can get it for £45 unlocked, new, with the special firmware next day delivery.
Whereas ive found a cheaper one for the same thing on ebay
Seems like a good deal, Sam - though delivery will be an issue. :(
Hope you pick up soon, Contepomi has been down with 'flu this week, so you're in good company (Argentinian rugby player).
SO £38.75 inc postage unlocked and new with special firmware is the thing to go for :P
I'm no expert, Sam, but it sounds good to me. The only issue is the delivery - he's using Royal Mail, so there will be nothing for a week or so.
You could ask if they will send by a courier of your choice, here is a cheap one http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101855&highlight=%A34.99
Ordered one
I am going to be part of....the revolution >:D
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UNLOCKED-2wire-2700HG-B-like-2700HGV-BT-BUSINESS-HUB_W0QQitemZ250171560266QQihZ015QQcategoryZ44997QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I suggest you keep an eye on other items from him :)
Oh dear, pills are starting to stop working...pain...incoming...argh...time for another dose i reckon
Welcome to the dark side Sam >:D
Route has come...its definately not new as stated ::) here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UNLOCKED-2wire-2700HG-B-like-2700HGV-BT-BUSINESS-HUB_W0QQitemZ250171560266QQihZ015QQcategoryZ44997QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Dare i plug it in to try it? Will a simple reset afterwards hide the fact I used it? :P - Looks like im going to have to send it back eesh
Given his feedback, Sam, it would be worth contacting him. A reset should erase any signs of your having used it.
Ye ive contacted him. Bit of a let down lol.
Im gonna give it a spin, here goes
Got a reply :)
Hi,
I am really sorry please accept my appologies.
If you can put it in the post I will send you another one out by return.
Which is all well and good, Sam, but is he going to refund your postage. Also, you can't send it till Thursday. :(
Quote from: mrapoc on Oct 08, 2007, 12:02:49
Got a reply :)
Hi,
I am really sorry please accept my appologies.
If you can put it in the post I will send you another one out by return.
Tell him to send you out a " new " one , which you paid for, and you will return the incorrect item once you have received it, together with the cost of return postage.
Otherwise dispute it with Paypal, you will win 100%.
Good point, Inactive. :)
So with the new one he sends out he encloses some money for return?
cheers guys
I sent him this
QuoteHi,
I would like for you to send out a new one (which I have paid for) together with the cost of returning the item. I will then return the incorrect item once I have received the new one and funds to cover return of the used product i was sent.
Thanks
Perfect.. ;)
Keep us posted, Sam
grr..
Got this..
QuoteHi,
Sorry I have checked my stock and I haven't got a new 2700HG-B to replace yours with. The only ones I have got left are the BT Business Hubs 2700HGVs I am advertising on Ebay. So if you return the one you have I will give you a full refund of all monies paid.
Appologies again.
Regards
What you reckon? I dont really want to pay to return something that was wrong on their behalf...
On a lighter note (hopefully) have these got any better?
QuoteDSL Connection Details
DSL Line (Wire Pair): Line 1 (inner pair)
Protocol: G.DMT Annex A
Downstream Rate: 8128 kbps
Upstream Rate: 448 kbps
Channel: Fast
Current Noise Margin: 12.0 dB (Downstream), 24.0 dB (Upstream)
Current Attenuation: 26.2 dB (Downstream), 14.0 dB (Upstream)
Current Output Power: 19.8 dBm (Downstream), 12.4 dBm (Upstream)
DSLAM Vendor Information: Country: {0xB5} Vendor: {TSTC} Specific: {0x00}
PVC Info: 0/38
Hi Sam
The stats look pretty close to those given by the Netgear to me. On your line, I'd be surprised to see much improvement, tbh.
As to the return, raise a complaint. He's falsely described goods he's sold you. You should not have to pay to return them.
Best way to word this (he doesnt seem a clever chappy spelling apologies as appologies all the time lol)
Raise it with Paypal/eBay, Sam. The item is mis-sold.
Tell him that you will raise a dispute with Paypal if he refuses to give you advance payment of return postage .. it was his fault not yours, and mention negative feedback if he refuses to play ball..He is in the wrong, not you.
Personally, I would try to reason with the seller, before going down the official dispute path, but that just me not favouring confrontation. Given his 100% feedback, he's not going to want to risk that, so will probably refund your postage as well, as long as you make it clear that's what you require. One way might be to send him a separate PayPal invoice for the postage, or agree to send him a PayPal invoice for the complete transaction, i.e. returned item + costs. He said he will will give you a refund of "all monies paid", which should include return postage costs.
But if reason fails... The seller should be going out of his way to put things right, he is so badly in the wrong. Of course, you could negotiate a new price if you wanted to keep it, Sam. >:D
He has sent me £7.75 via paypal
Seems to be goin well
That sounds better. All you need is the posties to go back to work now. :)
Quote from: mrapoc on Oct 08, 2007, 16:31:33
He has sent me £7.75 via paypal
Seems to be goin well
A result, well done. ;)
Just hold back on giving feedback until you are totally satisfied with the full outcome.
Two things Sam;
I can't see where he says it's new, using your link (?)
He would have had to open/use it to change the firmware/unlock it surely?
Quote from: MoHux on Oct 08, 2007, 18:41:44
Two things Sam;
I can't see where he says it's new, using your link (?)
He would have had to open/use it to change the firmware/unlock it surely?
Take a look at the item condition to the left of the description it says New there
I dont think you need to dent/scratch and scrape it to unlock it >:D >:D
Quote from: Glenn on Oct 08, 2007, 19:58:48
Take a look at the item condition to the left of the description it says New there
Thanks Glenn, it's an age thing. :timeout:
Quote from: mrapocI dont think you need to dent/scratch and scrape it to unlock it
Sorry Sam, I couldn't see 'em from 'ere. ::)
Just done a speedtest, I'm now on a 2500kbs profile, up from 1750kbs ;D
Go Glenn, have a karma to celebrate. :) If you can maintain it, you'll be doing better than me some of the time.
Great stuff Glenn!
well, I e-bay'd for a netgear 834g after all of your praise for it, & I've just installed it ( a bit of a stab in the dark as it is completely separate fom my machine - its at the main phone point downstairs & the computer is upstairs, using wireless only). It replaces a Belkin 7633. I live 4 miles from the exchange, & before I joined IDNET, I was with Virgin, & lucky to get 512. Recently I have been getting 980.
since the Netgear, my connection speed is up from 1346 to 1696
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 1696 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 63 db 15.5 db
Noise Margin 9 db 10 db
Am I likely to improve beyond 1 meg ???
You do realise that, in my mind, I think of you as Whistling Jack Smith? ;)
Most routers can't report greater attenuation that 63 or 63.5db, so your actual figure may be higher than that. On a fixed rate product, you would only get 512k. Your profile is correct for your current sync speed, but I notice that your target noise margin has been raised to 9db. If the line is stable, that might reduce to 6db after a couple of weeks, and that would lift your speed enough to get a 1500 profile. However, the line will have to be rock solid for that to happen.
Have you done all the usual things, such as removing the ring wire?
my noise regulary drops...its been at 3-5 often....so I reboot the router....I was aiming for mid-teens - I guess I'm wrong again? >:(
I have no ring wire & an adslNation microfilter on the advice here
my wiring is strange....I had a fault and BT engineers renewed lots of copper nearby. After which the only place I could connect was at the main point. Any extensions in the house (through which I used to connect6, caused the connection to fail - most odd & lots of head scratching from the BT men - hence the wireless router) ???
oohh, & BTW....I had a Paypal dispute regarding the Netgear, which lasted a month, & now the all singing & dancing 2wire has raised its head.....wish I'd waited...seems ideal for out here in the wilds :laugh:
The standard margin for BT is 6db, it's raised to try and stabilise the line. Don't re-boot unless you have to, frequent disconnections are seen as instability and will result in poorer speeds, higher target margin etc.
Why external work should cause your sockets to cease functioning (I assume they are OK for phones) is a bit of a puzzle. I would guess that they actually increased your attenuation and that caused the ADSL signal to fail, but it's only a guess.
The 2700 may well have been a good router for you. Might be worth trying and, if it's better, flogging the Netgear.
the wiring thing was very strange - even a 2 metre extension plugged-in would cause it to drop, & yet prior to the failure the whole house loop (4 sockets) worked for adsl. It was a real beggar to check as my machine is water cooled & lugging it downstairs with its attendant radiator was a game from hell. Still....my neighbour (200 yards down the hill) only gets around 220 so I guess I should be grateful!
ps. if I'd called myself Batman, I would still have reminded you of whistling Jack, so I cant win !
It does make me think that your attenuation increased, it's the only thing that makes sense. :(
Nice to know you understood my musical allusion though. ;)
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 1696 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 63 db 15.5 db
Noise Margin 1 db 10 db
as of now....I've never seen it at 1db before............ is it a worry???
It's not good, but Netgears tend to hold the line down to -1 or -2db. If your target margin wasn't at 9db, you would have seen the router re-sync by now. You may have to make a choice between stability (increased target margin, lower sync speed) and speed if things don't improve.
its all over the place....it jumped to 27 million for a few seconds!!
That's the router's way of telling you it's gone negative. Netgear didn't expect it to happen, so they didn't write the code properly to decode the negative binary value.
I just noticed you hadn't been given a welcome karma, Kaiser Bill, so now you have! ;)
Where are my manners? Thanks for picking that up, Simon. :)