Has anyone installed it yet? I've got it lurking in the background of both my Windows 10 machines, but haven't plucked up the courage yet. TBH, it doesn't feel that long ago that I upgraded to Windows 10, having clung on to Windows 7 until its last breath.
My laptop says 11 is ready to install, but I need to do something in the BIOS relating to TPM 2.0 on my desktop, which is actually newer. :dunno:
None of the PCs we have support Windows 11 so I doubt I'll be seeing it here in the next few years. Ironically my main, self-built, ten year old PC still blows virtually every off-the-shelf model out of the water.
You'll need to turn TPM 2.0 on in the BIOS before you can upgrade your laptop. You should find the setting under 'Security'.
I think I'll probably just hold onto Windows 10 for now, unless I feel particularly bored and adventurous over the Festive season.
Quote from: Simon on Dec 03, 2021, 13:21:17
I think I'll probably just hold onto Windows 10 for now, unless I feel particularly bored and adventurous over the Festive season.
Same here :fingers: :)
Windows? What's that? ;D
Quote from: nowster on Dec 04, 2021, 12:38:57
Windows? What's that? ;D
It's what you opens to let the virus out. :laugh:
Quote from: robinc on Dec 05, 2021, 06:09:21
It's what you opens to let the virus out. :laugh:
:hehe:
I have no intention of installing it. Windows 10 was supposed to last forever - what happened to that promise? :dunno:
Whoever keeps promises these days? ::)
Quote from: Clive on Dec 08, 2021, 10:51:13
I have no intention of installing it. Windows 10 was supposed to last forever - what happened to that promise? :dunno:
It took me 5 hours with Windows 11 before I gave up and reverted to Windows 10. The things that give me problems are basically cosmetic and not problems with the actual OS but are the sort of things that aggravate. For example, there is no longer a clickable option to change the taskbar icon size (and thus the amount of real estate grabbed by the taskbar). This can be fudged using a Registry tweak but selecting a smaller icon size for the taskbar leaves the notification area at the right hand end untweaked with the icons misaligned at the bottom of the task bar to the extent that some of the icons only show their top half. This includes the clock so that it is possible to read the time but the date is almost all off-screen. It is also impossible to show the seconds in the clock, only the hours and minutes. There was a Registry tweak in W10 to force the display of seconds but this is now deprecated. The deprecation also means that third party clocks like T-ClockEx will no longer work. That is not Microsoft's problem as they cannot be responsible for third-party software but it just makes the user-interface less friendly.
No idea why that functionality was removed but it means that I will be stopping in my comfort zone with W10 until the functionality is restored or W10 reaches end of life.
I do hate it when software developers force cosmetic changes that can't be reverted by the end user. It's like them saying, "Well we like it this way so you'll have to put up with it," but I'm sure there are other reasons for it.
Quote from: Simon on Dec 10, 2021, 00:23:16
I do hate it when software developers force cosmetic changes that can't be reverted by the end user. It's like them saying, "Well we like it this way so you'll have to put up with it," but I'm sure there are other reasons for it.
You can follow which of the functional silos in Microsoft is making the running by looking at their release cycle. If the tecchies are making the running we get lots of "We haven't asked the people who pay our wages if they will like this but it is whizz-bang technology so of we force them to have it they will learn to live with it and eventually like it" whereas the people on the customer facing side of the house are driven to change things by listening to people saying "This is rubbish, we don't like it" and trying to give what the customer base seems to want. So when the customer facing side was driving things we had XP. Then the tecchies got their hands on the controls and we had Vista. Back to the outward-facing people and they had Vista replaced with Windows 7. The tecchies broke that with Windows 8 which forced those who took notice of customer feedback to drive Windows 10. If that thesis holds we have a pointer as to which side of the house has been driving the changes for Windows 11.
Quote from: Postal on Dec 10, 2021, 00:02:47
It took me 5 hours with Windows 11 before I gave up and reverted to Windows 10. The things that give me problems are basically cosmetic and not problems with the actual OS but are the sort of things that aggravate. For example, there is no longer a clickable option to change the taskbar icon size (and thus the amount of real estate grabbed by the taskbar). This can be fudged using a Registry tweak but selecting a smaller icon size for the taskbar leaves the notification area at the right hand end untweaked with the icons misaligned at the bottom of the task bar to the extent that some of the icons only show their top half. This includes the clock so that it is possible to read the time but the date is almost all off-screen. It is also impossible to show the seconds in the clock, only the hours and minutes. There was a Registry tweak in W10 to force the display of seconds but this is now deprecated. The deprecation also means that third party clocks like T-ClockEx will no longer work. That is not Microsoft's problem as they cannot be responsible for third-party software but it just makes the user-interface less friendly.
No idea why that functionality was removed but it means that I will be stopping in my comfort zone with W10 until the functionality is restored or W10 reaches end of life.
I'm now being nagged almost daily (well, weekly) to upgrade to Windows 11. Does anyone know if the above issue has been rectified? Also, if I go ahead with the upgrade, will all my programs remain working as they do with W10?
I don't believe anything has changed because it's not seen by Microsoft as an issue. As far as I know the Registry hack will still leave some elements within the bar misaligned. Anything written for Windows 10 should work on 11 but I can't say if that's the case for older programs.
I think Microsoft has finally given up on my PC which is too old to update to 11 because the only nag screen I get now is to switch to Edge.
What is this Microsoft thing of which you speak? Oh, yes, didn't they write a version of BASIC? ;D
(For me the year of the Linux desktop was 1996.)
Quote from: Simon on Dec 10, 2021, 00:23:16
I do hate it when software developers force cosmetic changes that can't be reverted by the end user. It's like them saying, "Well we like it this way so you'll have to put up with it," but I'm sure there are other reasons for it.
GMail we're looking at you. (I don't use the desktop version now, happily, but when I did ...
Also Mint, Mint, Mint, Mint. (https://i.postimg.cc/cLdzWqzy/Logo-Linux-Mint.png)
Who was that masked poster? :-)
Quote from: peasblossom on Feb 22, 2023, 20:32:34
Also Mint, Mint, Mint, Mint.
Debian unstable for me. But then I'm an inactive Debian developer.
This is just laughable. The Windows 11 update downloaded itself and has been lurking menacingly on my hard drive for several weeks, taking up precious disc space.
I finally bit the bullet and decided to install it this morning, but instead of installing the update it had previously downloaded, it downloaded a new one, and is now complaining that it can't install it because of low disc space.
So, Windows 11 is taking up disc space, and also complaining that it can't proceed because of the disc space it's taking up. I realise it was lowish in the first place (~17Gb on C drive), but couldn't it have said this before it started? :facepalm:
It's now asked me to attach an external drive with <10Gb of free space so that it can continue the installation. I have little faith that it will succeed but I'm going out and have left it to its own devices.
Ouch! Well good luck with that one :fingers:
Sooner or later I'm going to have to build a new PC to run it. My issue will be not so much the cost of the new PC but all the old software I use daily like Photoshop that came 'boxed' but is now only available as a cloud offering. That alone will cost me £623.76 a year.
I did do a little bit of checking beforehand, and it does say that Windows 11 won't uninstall any existing software, so hopefully anything that was installed on Windows 10, will still work on Windows 11.
I believe any new device with Windows 11 pre-installed, has some sort of security feature that prevents you from installing anything that is not from the Microsoft store. I believe this can be disabled but it gives you dire warnings about the consequences should you decide to do so.
Apparently MS plan to force you to install 11 if your machine can withstand it. I'm OK because my laptop isn't suitable but Mrs Clive's is vulnerable.
I've given up. It want me to install it, then it refuses to install. I've given it all the disc space it needs. So now I'm left with a useless lump of software taking up space on my hard drive that I need to find out how to get rid of.
I'm so glad I've been using Linux since 1994.
I suspect, even if I find a way to get rid of it, it'll download the bloody thing again next time Windows updates.
I think I might have beaten it!
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-to-cancel-windows-11-update/54c282c9-962a-4680-920d-16629c063557
I did the above, and have reclaimed about 20Gb of hard drive space.
Good luck Simon! You can order a new laptop from PC Specialist. :whistle:
Going to have to look at it again as the Windows 11 banner has reappeared on the Windows Update screen, but at least it doesn't seem to have downloaded it this time.
I fear the noose is tightening Simon.
;D
I've actually bought a new, larger capacity hard drive for the laptop. I figured I can clone the old one like I did with my old desktop PC, but it will be a project for when I have plenty of time.
Operation Upgrade is complete! It was actually easier than I thought, the most difficult part being getting the back off the laptop!
So, now I have plenty of space for Windows 11, but I'm going to make it wait, out of spite. ;D
:lol:
They need to be taught a lesson Simon.
MX Linux, with all the software I use installed, 9.5 Gb :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
OneDrive started issuing error messages at switch on saying it couldn't authenticate/sign me in or something similar. My attempt to get it to stfu (technical term) has been the cause of much hilarity /sarcasm.
It seems I inadvertently activated it and it moved multiple files including my email data files and even my desktop wallpaper to a onedrive folder. The fact that all my stuff is now living its best life in the cloud just waiting to be hacked is one issue but why did it not change the file paths within the applications when it chose to move everything? :mad:
So now half my stuff is up sh*t creak (another technical term) because it can't find the data files and there's also little blue circles and arrows and ticks getting applied to various icons that seem to be spreading like some kind of deadly parasite :bawl:
Yours faithfully,
The founding member of the Ancient Order of Luddites
I avoid clouds wherever possible. :facepalm:
That was my intention but perhaps it's time to start thinking about care home costs :facepalm:
Having said that I did Google and the internet is awash with people having the same issue.
Lots of updates lately for win 11
I hate Windows 11. Nearly every time I turn on my laptop, I have to wait ten minutes for a Windows Update to complete, then sometimes it will reboot several times before actually becoming functional. Further to this, since 'upgrading' to Win 11, it's like wading through treacle trying to do anything when it eventually lets me.
I've owned a couple of expensive Windows based laptops but if I'm honest they were a waste of money. Even after removing all the junk they both slowed to a crawl after a year or two of use.
I'd probably buy a Chromebook or even a Mac if I ever needed another laptop.
Mine is a 5-6 year old DELL Inspiron 3793 17". I wanted one with a larger screen, and also that came with a CD / DVD drive to make it easier to digitise my CDs. It was fine until I foolishly gave in to the persistent nagging to upgrade to Win 11, and I probably should have heeded the early warning signs and reverted back to Windows 10, because since then it's been running like a three legged pig.
Windows 11 also somehow messed up the font display, so I can't use my desired Verdana font as a default, as it displays massively extra bold for some reason, unless I choose the italic version. That said, while I was trying to use it today to rip the new Hackett / Rothery CD into iTunes, it insisted on performing an Intel Graphics driver update, so maybe that's fixed the font problem. Once it had once again taken 10 minutes to boot up, and iTunes had also decided to go on a go slow, turning what should have been a five minute job into a half an hour laborious drama, I couldn't be arsed with the required reboot after the driver update, and just shut it down. When I next have a couple of lifetimes to spare, I might boot it up again and see if there's any improvement to the font display.
Quote from: Simon on Sep 03, 2026, 17:40:17Mine is a 5-6 year old DELL Inspiron 3793 17"
I've seen a few of those, they were quite popular. If it's a Core i3 it will struggle with Windows 11 but if it's an Core i5 it'll still be slow but it should be usable.
The problem is things have moved on almost exponentially in the last five years and os/software developers have a tendency to continually add bloat to their code to take advantage of it.
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Sep 03, 2026, 19:01:40I've seen a few of those, they were quite popular. If it's a Core i3 it will struggle with Windows 11 but if it's an Core i5 it'll still be slow but it should be usable.
The problem is things have moved on almost exponentially in the last five years and os/software developers have a tendency to continually add bloat to their code to take advantage of it.
It's an i5. The annoying thing is I've got to set aside half the morning to do what should be a ten minute job. My older desktop PC is faster, so I should just use that, but the laptop is convenient for portability.
The last time I went to buy a laptop which was probably over ten years ago I ended up with an iPad which cost the same as a midrange laptop and lasted around seven years at which point I upgraded. Updates are painless and everything is instant plus it's obviously very portable.
The biggest issue was learning a new system but for the most part it's fairly intuitive and it does everything I need.
I have a Samsung Tablet, which I should probably make more use of, but obviously it doesn't have the storage capacity of a PC.
Apple are rather stingy when it comes to RAM, my current iPad has only 128GB but as I've only used about 32GB I don't think there's going to be a problem :fingers:
I believe the latest models come with up to 2TB but I bet you'll pay a price for that.
A disclaimer first- I'm an Apple fan!
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Sep 04, 2026, 01:25:31Apple are rather stingy when it comes to RAM
They are, and they're also more expensive and tend to be non-expandable, but there are other factors...
Apple have (at least) a reputation for being better at memory management than Microsoft (so you may not need as much), and their M-series processors are
seriously quick... even if hindered a bit by a seeming shortage of physical RAM it's not inconceivable that it could still be faster than a fully-RAMmed Intel-powered machine at some tasks.
Good luck in deciding which to go for ;D
Personal note- I don't do any heavy work on my machines these days so can't comment on that, but I just find Macs nicer to drive :)