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QuoteWindows 10 is going to be the last major revision of the operating system.
Jerry Nixon, a Microsoft development executive, said in a conference speech this week that Windows 10 would be the "last version" of the dominant desktop software.
His comments were echoed by Microsoft which said it would update Windows in future in an "ongoing manner

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32658340

It will be interesting to see where this goes.  I'm holding onto Windows 7 and 8.1 for now.  I know there's a free upgrade to Windows 10 but I can't help feeling there's a trap somewhere...   :-\

I'm waiting to buy a new laptop for Mrs Clive (capital expenditure authorised  ;D) but I'm waiting for Win10 with SSD.

Hmmmmm

I bet the system builders aren't particularly happy with the news as a new version is usually used as part of their marketing.

The anticipated competition for Windows is now from the various Linux distributions, I suspect.

On the other hand, Microsoft has always wanted to go onto a subscription model...

They are now with Office of course.

Regarding Windows I don't think it'll work for consumers but obviously with corporate volume licensing this has been the case for years so no change there.

I might switch to ReactOS.

When most people I know hear office is now subscription, they look for alternatives. :/

Though perhaps they are literal when they say it's the last version of Windows. After it's released the universe disappears in a puff of bloatware vapourware.  :swoon:

I got notification of the free upgrade to 10 on all my Windows devices today. I've not heard of a firm launch date though, has anyone else?

29th July is the date I have seen. None of my PC's have the notification in the task bar as yet.

Thanks Glenn. I'll probably hold off upgrading until I've read a few reports but I imagine I won't leave it too long.

I'm still highly suspicious that there's something about it being 'free' which they're not telling us.   :eyebrow:

I read the other day that optimists live lon

 ;D

https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/windows-10-upgrade?OCID=ANNOUNCEMENTS_SOC_FB_ORGANIC_WIN10RESERVE&Ocid=%23Outbound%20-%20Announcements_Social_FBPAGE_Windows_20150601_186189258&linkId=14632710

Looking at the way it's advertised... it does not bode well. All "it's great, it's good and it's wonderful" hyperbole, but no actual meat or substance to the subject. Hmmm.

Quote from: Technical Ben on Jun 01, 2015, 22:59:29
Looking at the way it's advertised... it does not bode well. All "it's great, it's good and it's wonderful" hyperbole, but no actual meat or substance to the subject. Hmmm.

But it's 'the best Windows ever'. What else do you need to know? ;D

Well, I've now had the notification to reserve my free upgrade on my Windows 8.1 laptop.  But, I'm still not sure what happens after this, with future upgrades.  If they're saying Windows 10 will be the last of it's kind, where is it going from there?

Quote from: Simon on Jun 01, 2015, 23:31:44
If they're saying Windows 10 will be the last of it's kind, where is it going from there?

10.0.1?

I imagine the emphasis is to get everyone running on a single, unified product which automatically updates and hopefully improves over time. From Microsoft's point of view it means being able to support multiple platforms with just one O.S. version.

I've now got the bloody icon on my Windows 7 machine, which I have no intention of upgrading.  Apparently the icon can't 'simply' be removed, but there is a way, which is apparently to:

"Open Task Scheduler in Administration Tools ..Click on Task Scheduler Library then open Microsoft folder then Setup folder-there will be 2 folders-GWX and GWX triggers...you can disable them. The executable is C:\Windows\System32\GWX ...it is also called OutOfIdle."

The above was copied from a Twitter post and is untried by me. 

Quote from: zappaDPJ on Jun 01, 2015, 23:18:59
But it's 'the best Windows ever'. What else do you need to know? ;D

Some companies tick and tock each release (hardware or software). Others float and sink!

Even if you give the MS marketing nonsense credibility, and it does result in a good OS, you'll still have the problem of drivers. Wether you like W8(.1) or not, if you have MFD's, cameras, sound cards graphics cards and various other software over, say, 2yrs old that are important to you, it'll be a while (if ever) that the manufacturers get around to releasing versions that will work with W10.
HID bitterly berates me on a regular basis since I bought her a new lappy because the scanner on our old Epson MFD doesn't work like it used to under W8.1.
Its all my fault of course...

As far as I understand it the notification only appears if everything is ok in terms of service packs, updates and hardware support.

I upgraded from Windows 7 to 10 (Insider Preview) several weeks ago. Had to upgrade my printer driver to Windows 8, otherwise I haven't had any problems so far. I like the new layout better than 7 or 8.1 (even with classic shell).

Quote from: stevenrw on Jun 02, 2015, 22:26:45
Even if you give the MS marketing nonsense credibility, and it does result in a good OS, you'll still have the problem of drivers. Wether you like W8(.1) or not, if you have MFD's, cameras, sound cards graphics cards and various other software over, say, 2yrs old that are important to you, it'll be a while (if ever) that the manufacturers get around to releasing versions that will work with W10.
HID bitterly berates me on a regular basis since I bought her a new lappy because the scanner on our old Epson MFD doesn't work like it used to under W8.1.
Its all my fault of course...

Seen quite a few laptops and tablets ship without functioning camera or wifi... hmmm.

Quote from: Simon on Jun 02, 2015, 12:09:33
I've now got the bloody icon on my Windows 7 machine, which I have no intention of upgrading.  Apparently the icon can't 'simply' be removed, but there is a way, which is apparently to:

"Open Task Scheduler in Administration Tools ..Click on Task Scheduler Library then open Microsoft folder then Setup folder-there will be 2 folders-GWX and GWX triggers...you can disable them. The executable is C:\Windows\System32\GWX ...it is also called OutOfIdle."

The above was copied from a Twitter post and is untried by me. 

I have another method:  You remove the 'Get Windows 10' icon the same way you would any other update. Go to Control Panel -> Programs and Features -> Uninstall an update -> look for "KB3035583" and "KB2952664" and uninstall them. The reboot and the icon should be gone. 

Yes, but then you have to be careful Windows Updates doesn't install them again.   ::)

I think it only tries three times before giving up. 

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/02/windows-10-what-you-need-to-know-before-you-upgrade/?_m=3n.0038.1626.hp0ao04k6j.1ori

This will be a worry to some people:

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/15/windows-10-home-and-pro-automatic-updates-could-become-mandatory/

It will if the updates are poor although I suspect most people will update eventually once the public 'beta' testing reports come back. At least you can disable the update service.

I would be mighty annoyed if I was on a cruise paying premium rates for a slow internet access and an unstoppable Windows update kicks in for an hour thus costing me £30.   >:(

I think the mandatory auto updates is a good idea so that security holes get patched.

You'd be surprised at the amount of people I deal with at work who haven't installed updates for 6 months to a year, sometimes they haven't installed anything since their system was new.

On the flipside of this I can see an issue whereby some programs get broken overnight.

Presumably MS are going to allow admins/network managers to control the flow of updates in the Enterprise edition.

I've just done a clean install of Windows 7 Pro on my PC ready for the Windows 10 install to minimise the possibility of any issues with the install (I hope)

Quote from: pctech on Jun 21, 2015, 15:13:13
I think the mandatory auto updates is a good idea so that security holes get patched.

You'd be surprised at the amount of people I deal with at work who haven't installed updates for 6 months to a year, sometimes they haven't installed anything since their system was new.

On the flipside of this I can see an issue whereby some programs get broken overnight.

Presumably MS are going to allow admins/network managers to control the flow of updates in the Enterprise edition.

I've just done a clean install of Windows 7 Pro on my PC ready for the Windows 10 install to minimise the possibility of any issues with the install (I hope)

<----  :red:

For the impatient/brave https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

You go first, I insist ;D

:wimp:

The last Microsoft update apparently brought down half of the internet, so heaven knows how BT's back haul will cope with this.   :whistle:

I can see some IDNet customers had a lot of packet loss last night. It appears the upgrade is being rolled out in batches. A couple of my devices have the download in place but as yet there's been no prompt to install it.

Has anyone pulled the trigger yet?

Nope  :)

Bit the bullet and installed on a spare 'puter.  Installed as an upgrade NOT a new installation.
For those who might wish to follow suit I used the following link:

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/windows/how-install-windows-10-now-3575135/

Running now for 3 hours with no probs.

Did it retain all your programs and settings, Rick?

There are reports of nVidia driver updater software getting very very confused.

That wouldn't be anything new, in my experience. 

Quote from: Simon on Jul 29, 2015, 20:05:17
Did it retain all your programs and settings, Rick?

As far as I can ascertain Simon. I'll report any probs over the next week, if any.

My brother updated one of his laptops to 10, Outlook 2013 stopped sending email, received them OK.

As I've said before, I like the preview version I've been running for several months. As for the other machines in the house, I'm already <checks> 3GB over my download limit, so they can wait until Saturday!

BTW, thank you Glenn for the link to create a DVD. I had hoped, amongst other things, to wipe the HD and do a fresh install on my wife's laptop, but according to Step 4 here (http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/windows/upgrade-or-clean-install-we-explain-how-install-final-version-of-windows-10-3619209/) I'll have to upgrade it first, then do a fresh install. Oh well.

I'm tempted, but that may be the last you see of me for some time!  >:D

Go for it Jill, I've upgraded all three computers with out a problem using this method on two of them. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-10/media-creation-tool-install?ocid=ms_wol_win10

This a great write up as well. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2953843/windows/how-to-install-windows-10-on-your-pc.html

Thanks   :-\   :wimp:

Remember the words of the old Ricky Nelson song Jill.   ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyU2pGWA6Jc

Or this version  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daXhQkN_r7o   8-)

Still loving windows 10 to my surprise  :D

 ;D  Good find Den!   :thumb:

http://lifehacker.com/windows-10-uses-your-bandwidth-to-distribute-updates-d-1721091469

Just a heads up...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/windows_10_download_ransomware/

I refer to my previous post.   :angel:

I used the Media Creation Tool to upgrade mine and all seemed good.

While using it the Start menu stopped responding, I was downloading an updated Nvidia driver at the time in Firefox which subsequently failed.

I rebooted the system and received the critical error that Cortana and Start weren't working and got prompted to sign out and back in.

Did this a couple of times with the same issue, even completely powered down the system to clear RAM but no joy.

Managed to get it into mscondig and selected Diagnostic Startup but nothing seemed to happen, managed to get Windows to restart but because of the change it disabled networking, Volume Shadow Copy (so no system restore) and a number of other things.

I wondered if it was because I'd left Avast running during the upgrade, anyway I got it to roll back to 7 and will wait the prompt to upgrade.

Quote from: pctech on Aug 02, 2015, 17:52:50
I wondered if it was because I'd left Avast running during the upgrade,

I'd say that was quite likely. I actually uninstalled AVG on both my computers before upgrading - all went smoothly.

With my professional hat on for a min I'd have done the same but at the time I was thinking as a tech enthusiast. :)

I just wondered if someone could offer advice, please...I upgraded from Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 Pro via the automatic update.

I was now planning to do a 'clean' install using the ISO from a DVD - however, I'm worried about the small Recovery partition at the beginning of my C Drive (see attached screenshot).

I think that this is a leftover from the original 7 installation and wondered if I could delete it before I start the new installation?

Any suggestions, please?

You should be able to Peter.

Have you got a Windows 7 DVD in case you need to revert though?

Yes, I have my original Windows 7 DVD, although I don't even want to contemplate going back, unless there is no other option.

My main worry was that some 'elements' of the upgraded 10 installation had gone into that partition, although I'm fairly sure it has been there since the original 7 installation.

But I was just seeking some reassurance from those wiser than me!

I think that it is there in case you want to revert to 7 and you have a month to carry that out. After that I would have thought it will disappear.

Anyone know how to change the title bar colour?

Take a look in Settings/Personalization

This (http://www.windowscentral.com/replace-those-white-title-bars-windows-10-colors-theme) got me a light blue one, then I could change the colour in Settings/ Personalize.

Quote from: peterbeaumont on Aug 02, 2015, 20:29:13
Yes, I have my original Windows 7 DVD, although I don't even want to contemplate going back, unless there is no other option.

My main worry was that some 'elements' of the upgraded 10 installation had gone into that partition, although I'm fairly sure it has been there since the original 7 installation.

But I was just seeking some reassurance from those wiser than me!

As Den says, there is a rollback option.

Nothing wrong in the OS itself, as I say I think it was my error but nevertheless will wait to be prompted as presumably it'll prompt when drivers for all my hardware are ready (I noticed in Device Manager that 10 was using the Windows 7 driver for the Creative X-Fi sound card I have, Creative are apparently releasng a driver for this in August which is good of them considering they no longer manufacture this particular card)

Quote from: Clive on Aug 02, 2015, 15:23:17
Remember the words of the old Ricky Nelson song Jill.   ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyU2pGWA6Jc

:whistle:  I take it you are sat on the fence.

As a matter of interest has anyone else got the Windows 10 notification sitting on their task bar along with the $Windows.~BT directory ready to go but not yet been prompted to perform the upgrade?

Almost everyone I know has either upgraded or chosen not to upgrade but I've not been offered the option on five eligible devices despite having the files sitting there ready to go. I know it's being rolled out in stages but I would have thought at least one of my PCs/laptops would have had a look in by now. Is there something I'm missing (apart from my marbles)?

Only 1 of my PC/laptops has downloaded and installed the Windows 10 update, the others haven't downloaded it.

It's not just me then, I was starting to get a little paranoid! Thanks :)

Quote from: J!ll on Aug 03, 2015, 09:57:32
:whistle:  I take it you are sat on the fence.

Definitely not!  I'm a Refusenik Jill!   :evil:  I will have Windows 10 when I buy a new computer and not a moment before. 

Quote from: zappaDPJ on Aug 04, 2015, 21:43:39
It's not just me then, I was starting to get a little paranoid! Thanks :)

It was me too.  I downloaded it and did the upgrade myself in the end.

Quote from: Clive on Aug 04, 2015, 22:28:09
Definitely not!  I'm a Refusenik Jill!   :evil:  I will have Windows 10 when I buy a new computer and not a moment before. 

;D

I'm not saying it's perfect, but having spent several months at least running Windows 7, 8, 8.1, 8.1 Classic Shell and 10 I think 10 is the best - by quite a margin.

http://www.siliconbeat.com/2015/08/04/windows-10-upgrade-bug-makes-some-pcs-unusable/            :dunno:

Am in the process of giving it another go but going to do a clean install this time.

Upgrades are never perfect. The question is, how do those numbers compare with the problems people experience with monthly Windows updates, in response to which Microsoft devotes pages of advice?

Quote from: pctech on Aug 05, 2015, 16:24:20
Am in the process of giving it another go but going to do a clean install this time.

:fingers:

The only problem I seem to have is that using Office 2010 (Outlook) I can receive emails but not send them. At first I thought it was BTs fault but I can send emails with Microsoft's Mail so I need to search deeper, any thoughts would be welcome.  :D

This works.

Click on the search icon, search on cmd when you find the application (Command Prompt) run as administrator (i.e. right click it and click run as administrator). You will then see a rectangular black window appear with folder> then type in sfc/scannow and sit back and wait (takes a while to run).

When finished type in exit. Then close outlook, restart and problem solve. Seems to have solved the problem for a number of people on the other thread too.

http://forums.windowscentral.com/windows-10-general-discussion/370532-why-wont-outlook-2013-send-emails-after-windows-10-upgrade.html

Quote from: J!ll on Aug 05, 2015, 14:24:41
http://www.siliconbeat.com/2015/08/04/windows-10-upgrade-bug-makes-some-pcs-unusable/            :dunno:

Things like that scare me.  Continuing to run Win 7 lets me sleep easy.   :D

Thanks Glenn: worked fine just as you said  ;D Have a Karma.

Quote from: Clive on Aug 05, 2015, 19:44:52
Things like that scare me.  Continuing to run Win 7 lets me sleep easy.   :D

I'm certainly keeping Windows 7 on my 'mission critical' machine.  Not least for the reason that I have some old programs which I use all the time, and I don't want to risk not being able to run them on Win10.

Quote from: Den on Aug 05, 2015, 20:03:45
Thanks Glenn: worked fine just as you said  ;D Have a Karma.

:thanks3:

All good so far.

Hardware detection seems much better as it's picked everything up and I've not had to reach for my flash drive containing a driver library I prepared earlier.

Reloading a backup from my MyCloud NAS drive at the min.

Booked a couple of days off with the intention to get it up and running, play about and go and watch Mission Impossible 5 tomorrow.

Simon, Windows 10 runs Microsoft Works faster than Windows 7 or 8.1 did. I have a database of Alarm and CCTV Installations on there so I still use it on a daily basis. So far I have not found a single program that it will not run.  :eyebrow:

It does seem more forgiving than previous versions.

Stuff does ndeed seem to run much faster.

Quote from: Den on Aug 05, 2015, 21:27:07
Simon, Windows 10 runs Microsoft Works faster than Windows 7 or 8.1 did. I have a database of Alarm and CCTV Installations on there so I still use it on a daily basis. So far I have not found a single program that it will not run.  :eyebrow:

That's as may be, Den, but I have no reason to take the chance.  This machine is already nearly 8 years old, and will soon be due for retirement, at which point, I will obviously replace it with a Windows 10 machine, but until than, I'm happy with it as it is.

Just a thought - can you transfer a Win10 licence from one machine to another?  I'm just wondering, if the time comes to replace this machine within the 'free' year, could I upgrade it, then transfer the license to another machine, which I could purchase without an OS?

My understanding is that the licence is tied to the hardware. To what degree I can't say but a new PC would definitely require a new licence.

I don't think I'll be rushing to upgrade my workstation. Although the hardware seems to be compatible I've discovered one of the software packages I use isn't and probably won't be for some while. The developers are notorious slow to update, it'll still run on a Windows 95/Pentium 233 package ::)

This explains it http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/how-windows-10-will-handle-clean-installs

That's a firm No to my question then.  ;D

Windows 8 was configured for maximum privacy. Now compare this to the indiscriminate data slurp that Microsoft calls Windows 10. It's basically a clumsy, 3GB keylogger.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/06/microsoft_vacates_moral_high_ground_for_the_data_slurpers_cesspit/

I can be turned off, it just requires people to be a little observant rather than doing installations with their eyes closed.


But hey, a good rant draws eyeballs.

If I put my computer to sleep and then awake it the error window comes up and says    E:\ The directory name is invalid.  if I then click on OK it goes away.  :dunno:

I've just done a clean install on my wife's old laptop, having upgraded it first. Removing the bloatware and upgrading from 7 to 10 has halved the boot-up time.

I think Drive E is the usb port on my Canon iP6700D printer and as of yet there is not a Windows 10 driver on the Canon site.  :eyebrow:

Doesn't your printer work with the old Win 8 driver? My Canon MP640 still works under win 10 using the old driver.

The printer works fine, if I turn it off and put the computer to sleep when the computer wakes I don't get the error. But if I leave the printer turned on I do.  :dunno:

Not running Windows 10 was starting to cause problems so I went for it much sooner than intended. First impressions...  :eek4::rant2::bawl:

I knew when it told me to sit back and relax it was all going to go to sh*t. It took an age (hours) to apply the update after which first boot presented me with a generic Windozy 1024x768 max res, single monitor display. That took a lot of fixing. Next JRiver Media Centre informed me that it wasn't going to come out to play ever again, requiring a total re-installation. Luckily it retained all my input which took literally days. Then I remembered that all of my custom sidebar gadgets are history.

I don't want to find out what else won't work so I think I'll leave it until tomorrow until I start poking around some more :-\

This is my worry with my Windows 7 machine, which is why I'm not upgrading it.  My Windows 8.1 laptop has upgraded virtually faultlessly, and to be honest, there's not really a lot of difference between the two, other than the odd thing being moved.   My only problem is that clicking This PC > Manage to get to the Computer Management console seems to be broken and produces an error, which I have not managed to get to the bottom of yet. 

Think I'll stick with 8.1. I keep getting a reminder to install!  >:(

Quote from: Simon on Aug 11, 2015, 09:27:45
This is my worry with my Windows 7 machine, which is why I'm not upgrading it.

The problem is it's almost inevitable that you will need to upgrade somewhere down the line. I'd already reached that point as I need to be able to replicate and fix website compatibility issues with the new browser. I'm still finding problems on this PC but so far I've managed to fix most things as I go. I have major reservations with the amount of data being sent to Microsoft. I'm looking at that now. I also had the horror of seeing the Kardashian name come up on my start menu this morning :rant2:

I've upgraded another PC today. It's got virtually nothing on it other than Firefox and Office. That one locked up during the upgrade but it installed at the second attempt and now seems fine.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/windows/11796433/Windows-10-update-forces-PCs-into-reboot-loop.html

This mandatory update procedure for home users is proving very popular, isn't it  :whistle:

I do seem to keep encountering problems. Warnings about the last plugged in USB device failing and my PC is no longer authorised in iTunes. The area on the task bar that allows you to minimise everything running is about 2 pixels wide. Is that correct?

[EDIT] Other problems include American language settings on all the upgraded computers which for reasons I can't fathom stopped the email from being downloaded on the other PC :dunno:

[EDIT Son of Edit] I've got a program that once run sits in the system tray continually polling a remote server for updates. On a cold start it auto-runs. It now appears non-functional with Windows suggesting I need to get an app version which doesn't exist.

[EDIT The Return of Edit] So now I discover my iPad has lost all its apps, restore won't restore and I need to manually replace them. This is starting to get annoying.

Try running "sfc/scannow" as admin from a cmd prompt.

Re: [EDIT The Return of Edit]  - I can't see how that can be anything to do with Windows as the apps are stored in your iTunes account.  :dunno:

With iTunes just re-authorise this computer. It may be the upgrade upset something. On OS X its account Authorise this computer, not sure on Windows. It should have asked you to authorise before syncing.

That's pretty much it. It did ask me to authorise but failed to do so at Apple's end and continued on to sync. The reason it failed is because the PC is already authorised but Windows 10 stopped it being recognised as such. It's not an uncommon issue after upgrading to Windows 10 according to Google. Suggested fixes range from rebooting your hardware to de-authorising and then reauthorising it.

Quote from: Glenn on Aug 12, 2015, 07:39:14
Try running "sfc/scannow" as admin from a cmd prompt.

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.10240]
(c) 2015 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\WINDOWS\system32>sfc/scannow

Beginning system scan.  This process will take some time.

Beginning verification phase of system scan.
Verification 100% complete.

Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files but was unable to fix some
of them. Details are included in the CBS.Log windir\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For
example C:\Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. Note that logging is currently not
supported in offline servicing scenarios.

C:\WINDOWS\system32>


The log file contains hundreds, perhaps even thousands of warnings but I have very little idea what any of it means.

A few months ago using W8.1 I lost the ability to email invoices from QuickBooks via Outlook 2010. Tonight I needed to send a invoice to the Welsh Government accounts and had no problem at all (I like Windows 10)  :)x

Out of interest do you have to send it bilingually?

I would if it was the only way of getting my money, but no they accept it in Broken English.  :D

Quote from: zappaDPJ on Aug 12, 2015, 11:59:17
That's pretty much it. It did ask me to authorise but failed to do so at Apple's end and continued on to sync. The reason it failed is because the PC is already authorised but Windows 10 stopped it being recognised as such. It's not an uncommon issue after upgrading to Windows 10 according to Google. Suggested fixes range from rebooting your hardware to de-authorising and then reauthorising it.

Had the same issue with MS own Office 365 Subscription! But couldn't deauthorise the laptop concerned, so had to remove another PC and then re-authorise both (so the same laptop now has two Office authorisations out of my permitted number), and reboot. Not quite the disaster with the AMD disk on my newer laptop though. Install hangs for nearly 24 hours at 99% (96% settings), switched off it doesn't revert to W7 as it should for an incomplete install, but boots in W10 but with no wifi capability and with half the programs missing or not working even after reinstall, or just a blank screen. Can't revert in settings, it just hangs, even overnight. So now in course of doing the manufacturers factory reset (takes 1/2 hour compared to MS several hours). It seems from reading around that W10 not uncommonly gives problems with AMD disks. More like a beta upgrade perhaps? I know MS have always made everything ten times as complex as it should be, so we have to expect it I suppose.

Ouch :( I still have a laptop and another PC to go. My main PC is usable but not happy. I'm going to live with it and do a fresh install when I have a few weeks free.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm paying a price for not upgrading to Windows 8. The amount of stuff I'm finding to be bugged or in need of re-installation or just completely broken is quite alarming. Even Google Maps has stopped working in all browsers. The number of driver and application updates I'm receiving suggests to me there are a lot of problems with Windows 10 at the moment.

Quote from: zappaDPJ on Aug 15, 2015, 12:34:48
I'm starting to wonder if I'm paying a price for not upgrading to Windows 8. The amount of stuff I'm finding to be bugged or in need of re-installation or just completely broken is quite alarming. Even Google Maps has stopped working in all browsers. The number of driver and application updates I'm receiving suggests to me there are a lot of problems with Windows 10 at the moment.

Its always the same with new releases, being at the bleeding edge hurts Zap  :( I wont be updating to the new OS X till the first or second point release, honestly I cant be bothered any more, I hardly use my iMac now. The older I get the more I seem to want a quite life and tech just gets in the way, or annoys me. Windows 10 seems more like a Trojan than an OS right now too.  :shake: Windows 8 was set up for privacy out the box, 10 seems set up to broadcast your keystrokes, wifi info and your inside leg measurement, and along with the Nvidia issues and other problems I think waiting a while seems a good idea. Like so many things these days we are the beta testers as usual and I could happily avoid that with any OS tbh.

I had no intention of upgrading in the short term but it seems almost everyone else did so I had little choice but to join the party. Having done so it seems most of the problems they are reporting are with Windows 10 and not my websites.

Could you have not just used a VM, Zap?

Quote from: Lance on Aug 17, 2015, 13:08:35
Could you have not just used a VM, Zap?

That was the intention but I didn't really have the disk space so I threw caution to the wind and paid the price for it :bawl:

Plus, that would have been much too easy.   ;D

Quote from: zappaDPJ on Aug 16, 2015, 12:29:15
I had no intention of upgrading in the short term but it seems almost everyone else did so I had little choice but to join the party. Having done so it seems most of the problems they are reporting are with Windows 10 and not my websites.

"Everyone else did" and "little choice" are not phrases I put in my vocabulary. I'll grit my teeth and fight against the wind, though usually because I want some tastey grub, and not the rubbish the masses "choose" to eat. :D  :eat:

PS, nothing wrong with simple common food, but is something wrong with some of the junk that's put out some times.

I don't disagree but I get paid to maintain their websites so I really have to stay uptodate no matter how irritating it is. I did hold out for an entire week though ;D

Yep, I know that feeling. Had a "rep" for our products visit today. They "answered" my questions with really helpful "buzzwords" and "statistics" such as "improves visible definition by up to 10%" and "enhances the brilliance of the qualitiy by up to 50%". So all meaningless drivel I have to keep up with.  :laugh:

 :)

For the tin hat wearers http://betanews.com/2015/08/18/lock-down-windows-10s-privacy-settings-with-oo-shutup10/

Once you've done the upgrade if you create a disk or flash drive with the Media Creation tool it's bootable and you can do a proper clean install.

When asked for a licence key just skip it and it'll activate itself anyway as it gets ted to your windows 7/8 activation on MS' activation servers.

I quite like it myself.

https://fix10.isleaked.com/

Useful, thanks.

That's very comprehensive.  Bookmarked.   :thumb:

I may get a windows 10 tablet, a fake Facebook account, and just use it for "free internet access". You can guess the method. ;)

That other PC that I upgraded to Windows 10 will now no longer boot. It's caught in a perpetual loop. It takes about 10 minutes to start after the BIOS check, blue screens with a Driver Power State Failure, files a report to Microsoft and reboots :facepalm:

At this point in time I really detest Windows 10.

I think there were reports of that happening following a Windows Update, which has now been fixed.  Not sure how you get out of the current predicament though. 

I'd be tempted to create an ISO (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10) with your working PC and see if it will reinstall on your other PC.

Quote from: colirv on Sep 21, 2015, 09:37:47
I'd be tempted to create an ISO (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10) with your working PC and see if it will reinstall on your other PC.

Unfortunately my working PC doesn't really work either, I've been using an iPad since I upgraded it to Windows 10. The main problem with that one is it keeps losing drivers. It boots to a generic driver and screen resolution that displays almost everything on a secondary monitor or off screen.

If I fix that problem i encounter many others too numerous to list. I need to reinstall that machine from an ISO but it's going to take days, maybe weeks and I just can't face it right now.

I am singularly unimpressed with Win10 after installing it on 2 of my machines.  (Now uninstalled btw)
If you like a 'pretty' interface then fine!
If you like talking to the imbecilic Cortana then fine but God help you if you've a Glaswegian accent.
I do like sitting on updates for a few weeks prior to installing them No chance on Win10 of course.
Some people state that Win10 is faster!! Well, any new OS dropped on your machine is faster at the start but soon gets a little sluggish when the garbage buids up.

On the plus side, I've 'upgraded' at least 10 machines to Win 7 from Win10 recently when the owners have lost the ability to restore to a previous version taking great care to hide updates KB3035583, 2952664 and 3021917. A handy source of income .... thank you M$, keep it coming!! :thumb:

My brother was waiting for the Win10 download on a new Windows 7 install.

I don't know how Windows 10 could be faster... as on 7 it was an instant boot (from cold, no hibernation). So is modern hardware. :P

But he has gone to 10 as he needs it for some of the more up to date hardware/software support and features. :)

Windows 10 has proved to be an unmitigated disaster in this household. All three of us are now using an iPad, we bought a 3rd iPad (mini) yesterday. I now have 2 PCs and and laptop that either won't boot at all or won't run anything without an error.

Having spent a fair bit of time on Google it's clear the problems I've experienced are typical. At some point down the line I'll wipe all three machines and start afresh, hopefully with a more robust version of Windows 10 but for now we'll stick to iPads and the iMac I've decided to buy. I had high hopes for Windows 10 but it's proved to be a disaster across the board. Even when it works it's inconsistent, unintuitive and butt ugly.

And that reminds me, the first thing I encountered after installing Windows 10 on two devices was a picture of Kim Kardashian's naked fat arse. While it amuses me no end that an arse you could land a helicopter on 10 years ago is now celebrity in its own right, I really don't need to see it on my windows start menu :rant2:

My poor bro had his motherboard go pop (possibly a power regulator/bios on/off bug as it's a common fault on that board).

Guess what happened when he swapped it out. Yep, the special new firmware that stores the windows key in the bios, means he lost his Windows 10 key. Because it's an upgrade, he has no windows 10 key to re-authenticate.

So it's an entire re-install again. He is keeping to 7 now and waiting for 10 to go cheap (or upgrading later when he saves up for it).

From what I understand the 10 key is tied to the 7 one on MS' servers so he shouldn't need to buy a key.

Quote from: http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-quietly-rewrites-its-activation-rules-for-windows-10/Update: In the comments, several people have asked what happens if you make changes to hardware. As I noted earlier, Microsoft doesn't provide details of how it calculates that hardware hash, but upgrades of system components such as a video card or a hard drive won't normally trigger a reactivation. If that happens, a quick call to the activation line will resolve the issue, often without any human contact required, in minutes.

The one exception is a motherboard replacement, which will inevitably cause the Software Licensing Management utility to recognize the device as a new PC and require reactivation, typically over the phone. A motherboard upgrade, even if you reuse storage, video, memory, and a case, is considered a new PC. In that case, if the underlying Windows license is from a retail copy, that license can be transferred. If you are upgrading (and not replacing) a motherboard on an OEM PC that was sold with Windows preinstalled, the license agreement prevents the license from being transferred.

That kind of makes sense doesn't it as the motherboard is the backbone of a PC.

Had a slight issue with Avast and Windows 10 where it was crashing Start and Cortana but uninstall it and left running with Defender and it's been fine.

In the past though I still had a physical key to revert to. Now you have to buy Win10 all over again? Yeah, not for me thanks.

Windows 10 seems ok but I do agree the background downloading of it isn't really the best way of winning people over.

I'd stll use it over Linux though.

I'm currently trying to upgrade my daughter's Hewlett Packard laptop to Windows 10. When I started this process at 8.00am this morning I was hoping that I'd live long enough to see it though but sadly I don't think it's going to happen and Microsoft seems to agree.

I had that message when I did my laptop, but it didn't take this long!

Both of my HP laptops took about an 90mins to upgrade, one is 3 years old, the other is 5 or 6. Did you run the compatibility check before  starting? I have a HP TC4200 tablet laptop approx 10 years old, that fails on it's graphics driver.

I did and it didn't flag any issues. However at some point after the big download from Microsoft it decided it didn't like HP Protect Tools which proved a nightmare to remove because of multiple dependencies which in turn wouldn't uninstall because they also had dependencies running. When I finally got rid of it all and got the update to start it took hours to get to 100% and then got stuck on the screen I posted for an hour or so. The next thing I saw was a blank screen with a cursor that I left for another hour or two before removing the power and rebooting. Now it boots to a blank screen with a cursor and spits out the DVD tray after 5-10 minutes for comedy effect

Luckily I had the presence of mind to pull off all the important data first. I'm open to suggestions but at this stage I'm leaning towards buying my daughter a new laptop. She's moving out and starting a new job next week for which a working laptop is essential.

I managed to bring up the task manager and run the control panel. That at least proves the issue isn't a graphics driver problem. The recovery option says there's nothing to recover and there are no restore points to recover from. The hard drive was 75% empty when I started this nonsense. I'm now attempting a repair from a recovery disk.

I think I'd be sticking Windows 7 on it.

I'd do a clean install of Windows 7, then upgrade to 10.

This saga is still ongoing and was compounded today by my daughter buying an iPhone 6s to replace her iPhone 4.

I'll stick to the short version. I created a bootable Microsoft Windows 10 installation disk which refused to accept the Windows validation code supplied with the laptop but I was able to install from it anyway. I've now got a working laptop but I'm not sure if the OS is validated. I've also managed not to end my life while installing iTunes, transferring everything to my daughter's new phone while simultaneously setting her up with her own Apple account.

Now I've just got to load up all the software she needs and she'll be all set for Monday... new home, new job, new life, leaving me free to resurrect the other three devices trashed by Windows 10 :bawl:

So now we have one working Windows 10 laptop, fully loaded with all the required software. According to my daughter it's running a lot faster than it did on Windows 7 so I guess it was three days well spent...  :-\

Yesterday or to be exact two days ago, I decided to take a crack at the other half's P.C. which gets used for email, buying shoes and not a lot else which is bloody annoying because it's got the only pro version of Windows 7 I can find, already installed on it.

Anyway the first clean install bailed out with a missing file and the second ask for a driver disk. I'm sure I have it but unless it tells me what the driver is for there's not a lot I can do about it. To cut a very long story short I finally managed to get it installed by removing and/or swapping out hardware. I then tweaked a few settings, got the USB WiFi adaptor running, installed Firefox and finally installed Office 365. That's when the trouble started.

I could not get Outlook to connect to IDNet's server. It took me the best part of Saturday to get it to work and I'm still not really sure what made it happen in the end. The only other thing I had to do was get her archived emails and contact list imported which I finally succeeded in doing and that took the best part of Saturday evening :facepalm:

I hate Windows 10 and I'm convinced Office 365 was designed by a single-celled organism. Outlook 2007 which I've been using since, well 2007, is really good. You click something and something that you want to happen, happens. With me so far? Outlook 365 on the other hand doesn't work like that. What you want to click isn't there to click so you need to find some other way of doing whatever it is you want to do which inevitably involves multiple clicks and multiple sub-menus and when you finally think you've nailed it, something utterly stupid happens. It's rubbish :rant2:

So all that's left to do now is reinstall my PC which has somewhere in the region of twelve terabytes of stuff on it. I'm really looking forward to it... :react:

Incidentally I was swapping the original drive on her P.C. which had the Windows 7 to 10 upgrade with a drive containing the fresh Windows 10 installation rather a lot and the difference in boot up speed is staggering. A fresh installation is more than double the speed at boot up.

A fresh installation of any version of Windows shows a noticeable speed-up compared with one that's been used for a few months.

My brothers PC would not update to 10, and he could not wait to get the new build up and running, so left it with 7 for now. Fresh install boots in less than a second.  :)x

So he said "well, I guess I'll swap to 10 later, but only for the games, not the halved boot time".  :laugh:

Just upgraded a HP Microserver Gen8 from Win 8.1 to 10, took approx 60 minutes, all working well. Even the Canon MP610 that doesn't have Win 10 support is working fine.

If I'd been there it would have been a different story. I reckon Windows 10 sees me coming. I've never had some much trouble with a piece of software in my life.

I've ordered a new SSD so I'll be starting on my P.C. tomorrow. I hope to get back online before Christmas :eek4:

Three long days later and I've broken the back of it. A couple of observations... don't try downloading FileZilla from SourceForge. I had to trash the first Windows installation attempt because the FileZilla installer came packed with malware, some of which I couldn't remove. The other thing I found was two bugs present in the official ISO used to install Windows 10. I had the same two errors on two completely different PCs using two different ISOs, one for Home and one for Pro so two different downloads.

The first bug appears to be caused if the drive you want to use isn't partitioned. The installation fails due to a 'missing file'. The second bug occurs when you try to set up a email account in Outlook 365. You can't. You need to run /sfc scannow to fix one or more corrupt files.

It'll probably take me another week or more to get this job done but so far I've only encountered one Windows 10 oddity. I can't drag File Explorer windows without double clicking the toolbar area at just the right speed. Too fast and the Window maximizes, too slow and nothing happens. I've no idea what's causing that but it's annoying.

Quote from: zappaDPJ on Nov 12, 2015, 16:03:55
Three long days later and I've broken the back of it. A couple of observations... don't try downloading FileZilla from SourceForge.

I've always been happy with WinSCP which is clean and covers pretty much all transfer protocols. Nice easy GUI as well.

Quote from: JB on Nov 12, 2015, 17:20:08
I've always been happy with WinSCP which is clean and covers pretty much all transfer protocols. Nice easy GUI as well.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll take a look. I'm currently using a Firefox plugin, FireFTP but it's not really working very well for me so I need to find an alternative.

Well I upgraded both my computers today to Windows 10 Threashhold 2. I would not have believed if I had not seen it with my own eyes but it's much faster and an amazing improvement yet again. I would urge everyone still using to take the leap while it is still free.  :D

I did not want to on my old laptop, but my new one I installed it. Agree it is so much easier, love it.

Did you update today to the Windows 10 version 2 Jill or are you referring to Windows 10 version 1?

My new laptop had 8.1 so I just installed 10. Still checking things out but it does say it's all up to date.  :dunno:

Quote from: Den on Nov 14, 2015, 13:46:51
Well I upgraded both my computers today to Windows 10 Threashhold 2. I would not have believed if I had not seen it with my own eyes but it's much faster and an amazing improvement yet again. I would urge everyone still using to take the leap while it is still free.  :D

Well, I've just tried to update my laptop and it's saying, 'This update cannot be installed.  Click for details", but when I click for details, nothing happens.  Useful.    ::)

Quote from: J!ll on Nov 16, 2015, 07:39:10
My new laptop had 8.1 so I just installed 10. Still checking things out but it does say it's all up to date.  :dunno:

Try it again and sooner or later it will tell you it's ready.  :D

It's doing it now.   :facepalm:

Quote from: Den on Nov 16, 2015, 19:11:08
Try it again and sooner or later it will tell you it's ready.  :D

Still nothing. 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/windows-10-update-threshold-2-deletes-essential-default-programs-freezes-during-upgrade-1528987

Quote from: Simon on Nov 16, 2015, 19:46:51
It's doing it now.   :facepalm:

:eek4:

And it took nearly 5 hours to complete!   :o

That's why I decided not to on my old laptop! New one was a breeze.

Last night I reached a point where all I need to do to finish installing my main PC was format the old system drive to use as storage for my data files. Simple enough I thought until I encountered a nightmare called the Trusted Installer which was having none of it. It wouldn't let me re-partition, format or even delete system files on that drive. To cut a long story short, my instance that the hard drive belonged to me and not some imaginary digital file warrior ended up with a bricked C: drive :facepalm: I almost went to the shed for a hammer.

 :eek4:

Quote from: zappaDPJ on Nov 24, 2015, 02:04:09
Last night I reached a point where all I need to do to finish installing my main PC was format the old system drive to use as storage for my data files. Simple enough I thought until I encountered a nightmare called the Trusted Installer which was having none of it. It wouldn't let me re-partition, format or even delete system files on that drive. To cut a long story short, my instance that the hard drive belonged to me and not some imaginary digital file warrior ended up with a bricked C: drive :facepalm: I almost went to the shed for a hammer.

Not sure but this ios for windows 7, Zap it may help hopefully. http://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-7/windows-7-how-to-delete-files-protected-by-trustedinstaller/

Quote from: Gary on Nov 24, 2015, 07:38:01
Not sure but this ios for windows 7, Zap it may help hopefully. http://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-7/windows-7-how-to-delete-files-protected-by-trustedinstaller/

Thanks Gary. That looks fairly similar to what I was attempting when I destroyed my C: drive. This time however I have a cunning plan. I'll be be physically removing C: and using a boot disk to do battle with the Trusted Installer :)

Which is exactly what I did. Disconnected C: and used a Partition Magic boot disk to annihilate the Trusted Installer :yes:

I now have a fully loaded PC that will be out of action for a day while I copy back all my music files. I took the opportunity to replace a few hard drives with 1 TB SSDs. Not cheap but more beneficial to me than buying a new PC.

I think I managed to retain and reinstall every last bit of data except for a JRiver Media Center library database for my music which I couldn't retrieve and around 250GB of downloaded software. The software I'll have to download at 50GB a month (or upgrade to a bigger package), it's the library database that's the problem. It may not sound much but anyone who has tried to setup a Media Center library with a customized sort view will know my pain. It's a fantastic application but it's truly horrible to setup.

Oh well, it could have been worse. I still hate Windows 10 with a passion for all the grief it has caused me but at least I can now get on and do something useful with it.

Tried to update to win 10 on my laptop yesterday :bawl: what a nightmare !.
                                                                                      Firstly the first download failed for some reason, so it downloaded it again this process used my valuable giggers and tied up my network for hours,
finally it started to set up, this took another 2-3 hours, when finally Win 10 appeared the laptop was painfully slow and the keyboard wouldn't work, fortunately the mouse did. After a few more hours of trying to get the keyboard to work I gave up and decided to revert to Win 7, but search as I might there was no option to revert because it said there were no Win7 backup files. So since I still had the original Win7 installation disks I decided to do a clean install, this seemed to go OK, but I now have a Win7 system which cannot for some reason download any updates it just hangs, the hammer is now resting on the desk ready for action, Ill give it one more try waste a few more hours but my patience is getting very thin :mad:
                                                  My desktop is nagging to be upgraded now, but hell will freeze over first, is there any way I can stop the nagging ?

After my initially positive experience with Windows 10, I am now growing to hate it with a vengeance.  Last night, on three occasions, all of which when I was in the middle of something, I was kindly informed that:  "Windows has encountered a problem and we are gathering information, then we will restart your computer for you.".  I presume this is a new take on the BSOD, but WTF!  Who is "We", and do they now own my computer?  They might as well have added: "And we don't give a flying f**k what you might be doing, as we're going to restart your computer anyway".  I know it's just a BSOD, but all this "we" stuff is getting on my tits.    :mad:

 :laugh:  I have had only one problem, something to do with it's stop clock.  :eyebrow:

This was apparently something to do with a page file.

It made me laugh, have never seen it before.

Are you sure it was clock?   :whistle:

Yes  :)

I had a eureka moment which woke me up at 4.30am this morning. Nearly 4 hours later and I've finally got JRiver Media Centre to sort my stuff last name first but display first name last :thumb: So now I'm back to what I was doing at the beginning of August when my effort to upgrade to Windows 10 went horribly wrong. The problem is, I can't remember what I was doing :facepalm:

 :slap:

I spent a good fer hours for a neighbour getting their new graphics card to work for their son. Why? Windows 10. I basically had to disable every new automatic feature, and every new feature (UEFI boot etc). Now it works fine.

Though partially getting a graphics card that is worse than their in built GPU because they just wanted to buy the cheapest thing in the shop, did not help either.  :slap:

Over the last couple of weeks I've installed Windows 10 on two different machines. One install was an upgrade, whilst the other was a clean install option. The upgrade went perfectly and other than a small issue with the clean install not being able to create a partition (and therefore having to use diskpart via command prompt) that one went smoothly as well.

 http://win10wiwi.com  (http://win10wiwi.com)

For those who don't want Win10, it worked for me tested it , scanned it seems OK :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35251484  (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35251484)



           Not that I am biased in any way of course  :angel:

I don't use Edge, Contana, Bing or the photos app.  ;)

Or so you think... ;)   :)x

And so it starts: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3037396/windows/windows-10-lock-screen-ads-begin-with-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-push.html

Adverts right in Windows 10 screens.  :swoon:
Yep, avoiding it like the plague.
I'm already annoyed at the junk carriers put on phones that decides to "message/notify/advertise" to me and sound a message alert at 10 at night... really helpful. I'd not want Windows wasting my time with anything even close to this.

Well, that's a big non issue all you need to do is go into Personalisation settings and turn them off.  :dunno:

You mean the settings MS changes when it feels like it back to defaults? I don't like childminding my OS.  >:(

I haven't seen any ads on lock screen, could it be because I use a local account rather than a MS account when logging in?

I use an MS account Glenn, and I haven't seen any either, I've now disabled them in settings in any case.

I've not seen anything either but if I had I would have probably assumed it was malware and had a minor panic so it's good to be informed.

I have a serious aversion to adverts so turning them off was my very first task on Windows 10.   ;D

I turned off Win 10 and feel much happier  :)

 :pmsl:

This is probably not going to endear 97% of Windows 10 users to Windows 10 (the other 3% being Bing users).

QuoteMicrosoft is forcing people to use its Bing search engine with the Cortana digital assistant in Windows 10.

Every search done this way will also be piped only through its recently released Edge browser.

In a blogpost, Microsoft said it was making people use Bing so they could get the most out of other search-related features in its products.

Many Cortana users have previously preferred to carry out searches with Google rather than Bing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36168857

Disabling Cortana was my very first task after I switched on my Win 10 computer.   :whistle:

I don't use Cortana or Bing with my Windows 10, so it doesn't bother me all that much.

Anyone who hasn't had the dubious pleasure of upgrading to Windows 10 should be aware that it will no longer be available as a free upgrade after 29th July.

Hopefully the Windows 10 nags will stop after that date as well!  :laugh:

Quote from: sparky on May 13, 2016, 10:44:17
Hopefully the Windows 10 nags will stop after that date as well!  :laugh:

They will :yeay:

It's easy to stop them using a program called GWX Control Panel  http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

I stopped it nagging me very early on, I upgraded all my machines and like Windows 10 so I can't understand what all the fuss is about.  ;D

Me neither. I mean, I hate being pushed, bullied even, and my usual reaction is to dig my heels in. Even more, however, do I hate living with the consequences of having cut my nose off to spite my face. In the case of Windows 10 whatever happens I'd be using it in future, so why waste huge amounts of time and effort delaying it? It's not as though I'd have enjoyed making life difficult for myself, and Microsoft wouldn't exactly have been bothered!

Quote from: colirv on May 16, 2016, 08:54:59
Me neither. I mean, I hate being pushed, bullied even, and my usual reaction is to dig my heels in. Even more, however, do I hate living with the consequences of having cut my nose off to spite my face. In the case of Windows 10 whatever happens I'd be using it in future, so why waste huge amounts of time and effort delaying it? It's not as though I'd have enjoyed making life difficult for myself, and Microsoft wouldn't exactly have been bothered!

Not much time or effort to go to Linux or stay on 7.  :dunno:
Life. It's more interesting than fiction. :P

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36367221

Quote from: J!ll on May 25, 2016, 06:51:19
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36367221

As Agent Smith said to Neo, You hear that Mr. Anderson?... That is the sound of inevitability... There's no escaping windows 10 :eek4:

It hasn't managed to infiltrate my Windows 7 machine yet.

None of mine either.  Have you taken preventative measures?   :whistle:

Yes, I somehow managed to destroy the GWX app and it hasn't reappeared.  To be honest, I can't remember how I did it now, but there's an article here which may be worth bookmarking:

http://www.howtogeek.com/228551/how-to-stop-windows-7-or-8-from-downloading-windows-10-automatically/

I've upgraded all of mine, including a virtual machine that I run, all the hardware works fine including the Canon MP610 which Canon won't release a driver for (I just used the 8.1 driver). Not one of them has caused any issues during the upgrade process and all run stable. I have Windows 10 running as a server, on 24/7 and no problems have been seen with that.

My experience has been similar to yours, Glenn, I have upgraded all of mine with no problems, I've even got an old Epson Perfection flat bed scanner running successfully, I also use one of my Pcs as a server.  :)

Some of the problems I encountered when I first upgraded have been fixed but others still persist. I can rarely get my main PC to cold boot without having to press the rest button at least once and the same PC always tells me it didn't recognise an unspecified USB device on every wake up from sleep mode.

M$ intend charging for Win 10 at the end of July after which they will remove all the GWX nagware.  To be honest I quite like Win 10 on my new laptop and I'm considering allowing one of my Win 7 laptops to upgrade.   :whistle:

Careful now Clive, it might all end in tears ;D

Clive, the best way I have found to get W10 installed is to download the install media to a USB flash drive http://www.alphr.com/operating-systems/1000350/how-get%20windows-10-and-burn-to-iso-disc, save any data from the laptop, then install from the USB drive using the W7 key when requested.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/229182-microsoft-will-adjust-malware-like-upgrade-policy-for-windows-10-following-outcry

I might well chance my luck next week and risk one computer.   :)