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Title: Email
Post by: andrew_w on Feb 08, 2014, 08:49:20
I kept getting this last night and again this morning. What does it mean please? Destination email address irrelevant. Running XP and OE6

Error occurs on both my wife's and my PC.

The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was '****@idnet.com'. Subject 'email test', Account: '#####', Server: 'smtp.idnet.com', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '450 4.7.1 <****@idnet.com>: Recipient address rejected: Policy Rejection- Quota Exceeded [EMAIL Address] - you have exceeded your quota for this hour.', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 450, Error Number: 0x800CCC79
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Technical Ben on Feb 08, 2014, 09:33:28
Thanks for the info Andrew. That looks like a message saying that two many emails have been sent in a short time. The server usually does not allow lots, like more than 100 or so, to be sent at one time or in one hour. This is to prevent spam or other misuse. But you should be fine for all other email.

Do you send many emails? Such as circulars or "reply to all"?

If your not sending multiple emails, I'd consider checking that no other program is in the background. It may be a virus.

I don't think the web client (the version we can use in a web browser) will tell us how many emails are sent from another PC though. So I'm not sure how to check if any other software is sending emails.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: andrew_w on Feb 08, 2014, 10:46:28
Thanks Ben but it seems to have gone away! No, I do not send many emails at all but will check for a virus.

If I was sending out junk I would have thought IDNet would have said something   :whistle:
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Feb 08, 2014, 11:20:18
They wouldn't necessarily know, unless it's such a high volume that it sets off alarm bells on the server.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: andrew_w on Feb 08, 2014, 15:49:32
OK Simon, all's well still here. No virii found  :)
Title: Re: Email
Post by: ChrisB on Feb 10, 2014, 16:49:10
I was receiving the same message intermittently on Friday evening and Saturday morning.

To the best of my knowledge I am free from virus and malware, Malawarebytes and AVG report no issues. I'm assuming that it was a problem with Idnet's systems or something external.

Chris
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Gary on Feb 16, 2014, 09:01:42
My Mac did the same, seems fixed for now....
Title: Re: Email
Post by: ChrisB on Feb 20, 2014, 18:43:41
After not seeing this problem for a couple of weeks, when attempting to send my first email this hour, it has bounced back with:

Recipient address rejected: Policy Rejection- Quota Exceeded [EMAIL Address] - you have exceeded your quota for this hour.

Can anyone advise if this is an Idnet problem or something wrong elsewhere?

Thanks,

Chris
Title: Re: Email
Post by: andrew_w on Feb 20, 2014, 19:07:53
Just about to report that exact same issue, again!!   ???

Can anybody fix it, permanently?
Title: Re: Email
Post by: B52 on Feb 20, 2014, 19:14:00
Same here.  Tried several times in past hour to send 2-3 emails and always bounced back Its not excessive use. I send and receive about 15 emails a day.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: rbd on Feb 20, 2014, 19:21:44
...and same for me. Anyone looking at the problem?

Andy
Title: Re: Email
Post by: andrew_w on Feb 20, 2014, 19:32:44
Just managed to communicate the matter to support. Await outcome.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Steve on Feb 20, 2014, 19:34:05
I think you've got to speak to support, we here have no control over it and indeed have never been specifically informed of any smtp quotas. Saying that it would appear from your post that there is a more general issue with the smtp server not confined to a single users quota.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Gary on Feb 20, 2014, 19:36:51
I'm getting email rejected by the server on my ipad, a week ago i had the quota message but I was only trying to send one email in a 24hr period. It righted itself though.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: andrew_w on Feb 20, 2014, 19:56:12
This anything to do with it from IDNet website?

Network Status
Announcement    2014-02-20 10:37 -
2014-02-20 15:24    Good Service    Status: OK
BT have informed us that the issue should now be resolved and for any users who are still offline to reboot their equipment.
Announcement    2014-02-20 10:03 -
2014-02-20 14:11    No Service    Status: Down
BT Wholesale has reported a nationwide network outage affecting multiple customers.

More information will be put forward as we receive it.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: andrew_w on Feb 21, 2014, 08:46:07
According to Support, "a temporary issue with the server yesterday evening"
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Terryphi on Feb 23, 2014, 10:12:45
Currently (Sunday 10am) incoming and outgoing emails are failing to arrive.  There are no error messages. Is there a problem with the email server?
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Gary on Feb 23, 2014, 10:32:09
Quote from: Terryphi on Feb 23, 2014, 10:12:45
Currently (Sunday 10am) incoming and outgoing emails are failing to arrive.  There are no error messages. Is there a problem with the email server?
All working fine here at 10:32am
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Glenn on Feb 23, 2014, 10:36:22
I have received emails since 10am, not tried sending any though.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Baz on Feb 23, 2014, 11:17:50
ok here too
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Dakota2 on Feb 23, 2014, 12:27:45
Seems there might be a problem for me too.

regards

Dakota
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Feb 23, 2014, 12:35:53
I've just sent an email from one of my IDNet accounts, to another, and all seems OK here.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Terryphi on Feb 23, 2014, 14:27:54
My emails eventually arrived. Perhaps there was a large queue on the mail server.

LATER: Testing again I find that new mail is still delayed.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Dakota2 on Feb 23, 2014, 15:54:22
Further to my earlier post email appears to be running S-L-O-W-L-Y. I wonder if an Idnet user's system has been targeted as an unauthorised mail relay?
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Terryphi on Feb 23, 2014, 16:36:01
Still waiting for delivery of mail 2 hours after it was sent. This is traffic in and out.

Glad I have my own domain elsewhere for mail!
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Dakota2 on Feb 24, 2014, 07:06:07
Well something has changed, email is OK today!

regards

Dakota
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Terryphi on Feb 24, 2014, 13:20:37
Mail was still delayed for me earlier this morning but it seems to be OK now.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: netn00b on Feb 26, 2014, 09:59:22
suddenly today i am unable to send e-mails ?

is there an issue ?
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Bill on Feb 26, 2014, 10:30:38
No apparent problems here :dunno:
Title: Re: Email
Post by: netn00b on Feb 26, 2014, 10:56:35
well after a number of hours....2 of the emails have arrived.  3 more still somewhere out in space or lost !
Title: Re: Email
Post by: BrianM on Feb 26, 2014, 15:59:26
Ok here as well  :fingers:
Title: Re: Email
Post by: krysia on Mar 06, 2014, 17:51:43
This just started to happen to me as well.  I tried to send an email to a neighbourhood group, so it was going to lots of addresses, and I thought that might be the problem.  But now I get the same message when I try to send a test email from my idnet.com account to another.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Mar 06, 2014, 18:41:43
Was that immediately after the group mailing?  If so, I wonder if it takes x number of hours to reset?
Title: Re: Email
Post by: krysia on Mar 06, 2014, 19:14:01
Yes, it was.  The error message says I exceeded my quota for the hour, but I still have a problem more than an hour later.  It seems an excessive reaction to a group mailing, given that I've never spammed.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: krysia on Mar 06, 2014, 19:16:43
Just tried again and it's resolved now - but does that mean we can't e-mail groups from idnet.com accounts?!
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Mar 06, 2014, 19:19:45
It's not something we've been made aware of, as far as I know. 
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Mar 07, 2014, 10:17:10
I checked with IDNet, and you can find some more information on email quotas here:

http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,31927
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Gary on Mar 07, 2014, 10:57:05
Quote from: Simon on Mar 07, 2014, 10:17:10
I checked with IDNet, and you can find some more information on email quotas here:

http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,31927
Scary now with the rise of router malware  :(
Title: Re: Email
Post by: krysia on Mar 07, 2014, 13:47:41
Thanks for checking that, Simon.  It's strange that I was blocked, as my address isn't new, and I would have thought I meet the other criteria to be allowed a large group mailing.

In re to those criteria, how do you check for router malware?
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Steve on Mar 07, 2014, 14:02:24
I think like most things in life when enquiring for facts or reasons the reply although well structured may not be as accurate.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: netn00b on Mar 11, 2014, 12:35:43
i'm really struggling with e-mail recently.

sends a couple then just refuses to send anymore - even to the same e mail address.

i'm not new having had the idnet address for many years.

trying to send a couple important ones currently and they keep refusing :(  ??? :mad:
Title: Re: Email
Post by: andrew_w on Mar 17, 2014, 09:08:53
Problem back again! Exceeded my quota apparently, again. First email I have tried to send in three days so...................?

Why can't this be fixed?
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Mar 17, 2014, 09:50:35
I think you'll need to contact Support on this one.  Did you read the sticky topic on email quotas?  That contains some more information. 
Title: Re: Email
Post by: andrew_w on Mar 17, 2014, 10:05:44
I have read the sticky and last time it happened I contacted Support to be told it was a "server problem"!!
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Gary on Mar 17, 2014, 10:19:41
Quote from: andrew_w on Mar 17, 2014, 10:05:44
I have read the sticky and last time it happened I contacted Support to be told it was a "server problem"!!
I would suggest contacting them again tbh.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Steve on Mar 17, 2014, 12:29:57
Perhaps we need to add 'or a server issue' to the sticky! :angel:
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Mar 17, 2014, 12:51:17
If it is a server issue, it's odd that not more people have mentioned it, as I would have thought it would have affected more than one user.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Email
Post by: krysia on Mar 19, 2014, 20:07:55
Yes, this is happening to me again - I send one short e-mail and then am blocked as I've 'exceeded my quota for the hour'.  I've emailed support but in the meantime am glad to know I'm not alone.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: krysia on Mar 20, 2014, 10:57:49
Well, I've heard from Support, and this is the explanation:
'A few of our customers had their email accounts hacked in the last few weeks and 1000s of spam messages were sent through our email servers. Due to this we have some new security in place. The security allows more messages to people with stronger passwords. Strong password need to include numbers. letters and symbols and must not include dictionary words.'

While on some levels this seems sensible, on others it's excessive - I don't have a dictionary word password, but am blocked after sending one email.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Mar 20, 2014, 11:08:12
It does seem an unusual step, but I guess, if all you need to do is change your password to make it more secure, in order to send more emails, that's not too much of a hardship.  Thanks for letting us know. 
Title: Re: Email
Post by: krysia on Mar 20, 2014, 11:24:30
I tried changing my password to a more secure one but am still blocked.  I thought I'd try to make it even more secure but right now I can't even get into the IDNet website to do so, nor can I connect to IDNet email either on my account or my partner's - it keeps timing out. I am, however, connected to the internet and can access my other email accounts- are IDNet's servers down?
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Gary on Mar 20, 2014, 11:27:23
All ok here, I can access the webmail sites and IDNets portal fine.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Mar 20, 2014, 11:32:33
Fine here, but on a 3G connection. 
Title: Re: Email
Post by: krysia on Mar 20, 2014, 11:47:13
Thanks, Gary - my IP was blocked from the IDNet site after trying to change my email password a few times.  It's all sorted now.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: davebesag on Mar 20, 2014, 16:39:21
I'm getting this now for the first time. I've sent out four e-mails in the last ten days. This is not impressive.

Support got back to me but by then I'd managed to send out the e-mail by changing my password quite heavily. I've made it clear in my reply to support that I've had no notification that there were any issues with passwords.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: andrew_w on Mar 20, 2014, 16:43:26
Quote from: davebesag on Mar 20, 2014, 16:39:21
I'm getting this now for the first time. I've sent out four e-mails in the last ten days. This is not impressive.

It's expensive too  >:(
Title: Re: Email
Post by: krysia on Mar 21, 2014, 17:40:34
Yes, I think it's worth posting a sticky or adding it to the one already up about email, which is rather misleading about how crucial a 'strong' password is and offers no advice about how to make it so.  Without a strong password, you can find yourself restricted to sending one email per hour, which was my experience.  I didn't realise my password was weak, as it wasn't a dictionary word.

Anyone having this problem needs to log into their IDNet account and check their email settings.  If there's a red line under the password, your email-sending quota is one per hour.  Change the password until the line turns green - use a combination of upper and lower case letters and numbers.  I've had no problem sending mail since doing that.  I'm not sure how restricted it is if the line is amber.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Steve on Mar 21, 2014, 17:57:31
Thanks I added it to the original post on Email Quotas with IDNet Help
Title: Re: Email
Post by: krysia on Mar 21, 2014, 18:24:36
That's great, Steve - it'll help those, like me, who have had an account for years and can tick all the other boxes required for a generous email quota figure out why they can no longer send emails easily!
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Noelle on Mar 28, 2014, 18:39:48
I've been receiving this message for the past week:
The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was '****@idnet.com'. Subject 'email test', Account: '#####', Server: 'smtp.idnet.com', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '450 4.7.1 <****@idnet.com>: Recipient address rejected: Policy Rejection- Quota Exceeded [EMAIL Address] - you have exceeded your quota for this hour.', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 450, Error Number: 0x800CCC79

I can only send 1 email per hour. What is wrong?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Mar 28, 2014, 18:43:17
Have you tried changing your email account password for a stronger one?
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Noelle on Mar 28, 2014, 18:48:01
Yes
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Glenn on Mar 28, 2014, 18:49:41
Take a look at your user account, is it underlined red?

http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,31834.msg728777.html#msg728777
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Noelle on Mar 28, 2014, 18:55:12
It's green.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Noelle on Mar 28, 2014, 19:05:42
It works, it took one hour to work. Thanks!
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Mar 28, 2014, 19:07:14
:thumb:
Title: Re: Email
Post by: zappaDPJ on Mar 31, 2014, 19:07:22
And now it's my turn...

Quote450 4.7.1 <********@idnet.com>: Recipient address rejected: Policy Rejection- Quota Exceeded [EMAIL Address] - you have exceeded your quota for this hour.

It's the first mail I've attempted to send this week. I'm really not amused :mad:
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Mar 31, 2014, 19:38:30
Why should you miss out?  ;D
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Glenn on Mar 31, 2014, 20:06:06
Happened on my account today as well.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Steve on Mar 31, 2014, 20:13:46
Seems a bit of a cover all the bases response to me!
Title: Re: Email
Post by: zappaDPJ on Apr 02, 2014, 18:14:36
This is now becoming more than irritating and it appears the best way to get around this issue is to continually spam the email server. How ironic.

I've also been advised by my daughter and a client that emails sent to me are being bounced back.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Steve on Apr 02, 2014, 18:21:43
Did you change your password Zap?
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Apr 02, 2014, 18:42:56
I'm surprised this isn't affecting more people.  Unless they just haven't posted here.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Email
Post by: peasblossom on Apr 16, 2014, 19:31:32
I've had a look but can't see how to change my password for my webmail account. Can someone explain how I go about this please? Ta.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Steve on Apr 16, 2014, 19:33:24
You change your password for your email whether webmail or POP/IMAP within your IDNet account email settings (it's the same password)
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Apr 16, 2014, 19:34:46
I didn't think webmail accounts were any different to 'normal' accounts.  It's the same account, but you just access it via webmail, isn't it?
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Steve on Apr 16, 2014, 19:41:45
 :iagree:
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Apr 16, 2014, 19:48:46
In other words, the passwords would be the same.  :)
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Apr 16, 2014, 19:49:43
Oh, didn't see you'd beaten me to it, Steve.  ;D
Title: Re: Email
Post by: peasblossom on Apr 16, 2014, 20:11:19
But where do I find my account email settings? I've looked at 'settings' but there's no option like it offered.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Apr 16, 2014, 20:13:06
You need to login to your IDNet account, via the main website, then the email settings are on the left. 
Title: Re: Email
Post by: peasblossom on Apr 16, 2014, 20:20:30
As a customer, you mean? I've done that and changed my login password but the one for my webmail account is different and that's what I'm having trouble with.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Glenn on Apr 16, 2014, 20:48:42
Once on your account page, click on existing addresses under email, the settings, you can change the password there.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Apr 16, 2014, 21:42:27
Quote from: peasblossom on Apr 16, 2014, 20:20:30
As a customer, you mean? I've done that and changed my login password but the one for my webmail account is different and that's what I'm having trouble with.

I'm not with you.  You have an email address, which is, for example, pb{@}idnet.com, yes?  Well, that email address is the same, whether you access it via webmail, or by a mail client such as Outlook, Thunderbird, etc, therefore, the password is the same, however you access the email address.  To change the password, you need to login to your IDNet Customer Portal (https://www.idnet.net/secure/), then go to Email > Existing Addresses on the left hand side, click Settings next to your email address, which will then reveal the password, which you can then change.
Title: Re: Email
Post by: peasblossom on Apr 16, 2014, 23:17:10
Quote from: Simon on Apr 16, 2014, 21:42:27
To change the password, you need to login to your IDNet Customer Portal (https://www.idnet.net/secure/), then go to Email > Existing Addresses on the left hand side, click Settings next to your email address, which will then reveal the password, which you can then change.
Got it. I had misunderstood but it's all sorted now.That last sentence was the bit I was after. I know both the webmail p/w and the email client p/w have to be the same but I couldn't see a way of changing the p/w on either IDNet site. But I see how to now.

'Confused? You will  be...' as they used to say.  :)
Title: Re: Email
Post by: Simon on Apr 16, 2014, 23:35:20
:stars: :)