I'm getting plagued by the same three Windows Updates, that keep wanting to install over and over again, all for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2. I've tried to uninstall .NET Framework 2.0, but the bloody think won't let me because it says something else is dependant on it, but ever so helpfully, doesn't say what. I've searched on Google, and the only solutions seem to be to manually install the updates, but I've done that, and they still keep popping up. Has anyone else had this issue?
Quote from: Simon on May 17, 2012, 23:20:11
I'm getting plagued by the same three Windows Updates, that keep wanting to install over and over again, all for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2. I've tried to uninstall .NET Framework 2.0, but the bloody think won't let me because it says something else is dependant on it, but ever so helpfully, doesn't say what. I've searched on Google, and the only solutions seem to be to manually install the updates, but I've done that, and they still keep popping up. Has anyone else had this issue?
What OS?
If its Windows 7 then you can right click the update and then click
hide update.
Sorry, it's XP, and I can hide the updates, but they're not listed in Add / Remove Programs, so I'm not convinced they're installed. I've disabled my AV and tried to install, but that makes no difference either.
You can hide updates in XP too, launch MS Update, then, when they're offered, select "don't show me".
These might help you :
http://www.mydigitallife.info/cleanly-uninstall-and-remove-net-framework-with-cleanup-tool-free-download/
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/908077
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/archive/2006/05/30/611355.aspx
Thanks Paul, I'll try that later.
Rik, I don't know if that does, but I don't want to hide all updates, just these ones that keep reappearing.
Try this simon http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555461 worked for me when I had xp
Thanks Gary, will try that as well.
The only thing that helped me fix a corrupt XP .net instillation was a whole reformat/install. :(
Hope it's just an update stuck, and not a corrupted install.
Quote from: Simon on May 18, 2012, 07:09:31
Rik, I don't know if that does, but I don't want to hide all updates, just these ones that keep reappearing.
It's done on a case by case basis.
Unfortunately a lot of stuff uses .net these days so its hard to track it down specifically.
Do you have office installed Simon and if so what version?
Quote from: Rik on May 18, 2012, 09:35:42It's done on a case by case basis.
:thumb:
Quote from: pctech on May 18, 2012, 10:00:38Do you have office installed Simon and if so what version?
Yes, 2003.
Quote from: Technical Ben on May 18, 2012, 09:30:08The only thing that helped me fix a corrupt XP .net instillation was a whole reformat/install. :(
Hope it's just an update stuck, and not a corrupted install.
:bawl:
I hope it's just a dodgy update. The problem seems quite widespread.
I do a disk image of drive c: just before installing updates. Unless they are especially important I usually wait about four weeks, then do an image and then allow the updates to install.
I've been caught with problems after .Net install/upgrades before which have required a complete reinstall. Won't be caught again.
This will be the first time I've had a problem with updates. Guess I may have been lucky, but if they are security patches, I'd rather have them than not have them.
You'll probably find they start working magically in a few days.
Dependency Walker should tell you http://www.dependencywalker.com/ but you will need to scan your apps one by one.
As Rik suggests, I may just leave it a few days and see if the magical fixit fairy appears.
Thanks for all the suggestions. In the end, I found a Microsoft Fixit tool on the Microsoft website and that appears to have solved the problem, for now...
Ah, the Fixit Fairy visited... ;D
It did indeed! ;D
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2012, 18:31:01
Thanks for all the suggestions. In the end, I found a Microsoft Fixit tool on the Microsoft website and that appears to have solved the problem, for now...
:thumb:
Great. That's the one that failed me on my corrupt .net v3.5 install (Antecedently closed the laptop case = it turned off halfway during windows update). :(
Actually, it didn't work. :mad: The bloody things appeared again this evening. I've just ticked to ignore then now.
Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2012, 23:32:41
Actually, it didn't work. :mad: The bloody things appeared again this evening. I've just ticked to ignore then now.
Simon, what is the KB number of the upgrade that didn't work?
There are four that keep wanting to re-apply, JB:
KB2604092
KB2518864
KB2572073
KB2633880
All relate to variations of .NET Framework.
Thanks Simon,
I only have XP on a Netbook now but I will be running updates today or tomorrow. I'll report back if I have an issue.
Oh, I thought you were you going to come up with a solution! :bawl: :laugh:
Wish I could help but sadly not. I have just run the latest updates on my Netbook and they were fine. It does have .Net installed too.
I expect it's something on my machine causing it, but looking on the Internet, I'm not the only one with the problem.
I do have one troublesome .net update that won't go away but like you I ticked to ignore it as I removed .net
I'll try and reinstall and then remove and see what happens.
Simon
All of the .net frameworks are dependent on each other, to uninstall 2 you need to first uninstall 3.5 or 3, you will then be able to uninstall 2..
Do we need them all, Mitch? Can't I just have the latest one?
Some applications require the older versions of .net.
They seem to build on top of each other so yes am afraid so.
Also came across this http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/tonykrijnen/archive/2007/01/18/9885.aspx
Bugger.
I've got a similar issue now so am going to follow the steps in that post to get Windows to rebuild the catalogue.
I think that's probably a worthwhile exercise.
Unbelieveably it survived all that in my case at least.
Must be a registry setting somewhere....
I though mine had been fixed too, Mitch. Give it 24 hours...
I'm trying to purge the registry of all references.
MS has a tool apparently but you have to install .net framework 2 to uninstall 1.1!
Redmont's rules, OK?
Found this http://support.microsoft.com/kb/908077
Dinner time for me and work tomorrow so going to call it a night I think.
Wish the Government would legislate weekends should be three days and not two, two just isn't enough.
Retire, Mitch, they can be as long as you like... ;)
If I win the lottery I just might ;D
I've installed everything and now I've got the same problem as you Simon.
Quote from: pctech on May 21, 2012, 21:21:47
I've installed everything and now I've got the same problem as you Simon.
:argh:
I thought I'd cured it last night, by installing previous updates I found that hadn't been installed, but it's back again now. :bawl: Let me know if you find a cure, Mitch, as I'm just going to ignore them now, given that nothing seems to fix the problem.
Contact MS, support is free for security upgrades.
I can imagine having to take a day off for that. :bawl:
I've told you a million times not to exaggerate. ;D
Going to try and tackle it tonight, just trying to find where there's a replica catalogue that's not being removed.
I don't really want to start randomly hacking at the registry because reinstallation would be a long task and I don't really have time to do it during the week but I also rely on my system for more than just reading this forum.
;D
Really? There's something else? :dunno:
Maybe time for a clean install Simon? Lots of work but rewarding, and you could grab windows 7 if you are not already using it. XP really has had its day I think. Windows 8 looks to be...well horrible, so 7 would be my choice to install now.
Better to get a new system with it on if you are going to go the Win 7 route.
I am in the process of saving the pennies to get one built.
I'd be aggrieved to have to go through the whole format / reinstall process for the sake of an iffy update, Gary. Besides, I really haven't got the time at the moment. I'm not sure how well W7 would run on my 3-4 year old machine anyway, and I was hoping to save the copy I have for an eventual new build.
Bit busy at work today Simon but will carry on looking when I get in.
I expect it will be one if those things that will be magically fixed with a future update. ::)
Probably, a Microsoft gaffe, Rik may have a point though, if I can't find anything I'll raise an issue with MS.
Quote from: Simon on May 22, 2012, 11:46:01
I'd be aggrieved to have to go through the whole format / reinstall process for the sake of an iffy update, Gary. Besides, I really haven't got the time at the moment. I'm not sure how well W7 would run on my 3-4 year old machine anyway, and I was hoping to save the copy I have for an eventual new build.
You can check the specs you have and see easily enough to see if it works with 7 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requirements
Didn't you build a PC a few years back or has time really gone by to fast that its that old now? :o What were the specs on that? Have you not got a backup image to install you could go back to? Far to many question marks ;D
Yes.
Can't remember
No.
;D
Any use? http://www.dotnet247.com/247reference/msgs/68/344691.aspx
this might be useful too: -
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/archive/2008/08/28/8904493.aspx (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/archive/2008/08/28/8904493.aspx)
The thing is, unless I'm mistaken, we don't actually know if it's a problem with .NET, or with Windows Updates, so I'm reluctant to go down the road of repairing / reinstalling all the various .NET applications, as the problem may still remain at the end of it.
What error is it giving in the event log when it fails to install?
None that I can see. :dunno:
Did you try the MS fix of deleting the contents of the WUTEMP Folder, Simon?
Yes, no such folder, Gary. I know... :stars:
Quote from: Simon on May 22, 2012, 16:52:51
Yes, no such folder, Gary. I know... :stars:
Its a hidden one, you have to unhide it first...you should have it thats where all the update info etc is kept and where corruptions occur that can muck the update process update sometimes. :sigh: Computers, fine till they go wrong
Nope, all folders are unhidden. It just isn't there. I've even just done a full search, showing hidden folders, and nothing... :dunno:
Simon
Try this:
In Internet Explorer:
Go to Tools > Internet Options
Under Browsing History click Settings
Click View Objects
Right-click on the WUpdateControl (or similar name) and click Delete.
Click Yes and OK where appropriate.
Close IE and reopen.
Go back to Windows update
Agree to install the ActiveX control
Click Custom and in my case at least, no updates.
Not on the PC at the moment Mitch, but I will try it later. Most of the fixes I've tried seemed to work, but then the updates reappear 24 hours or so later.
You haven't had Bitdefender installed have you Mitch? Coincidently, this seemed to start around the time I had it installed temporarily. I wonder if it might have blocked something that hasn't been unblocked?
No, put Prevx back on as soon as I rebuilt the PC at the end of March which was a complete reformat job.
I installed .Net 4.0 last night because one of the links said that might fix it, but it didn't, however, I have had two updates for that now, which were both successful.
right, my 'fix' has survived a reboot (not offered the .net updates when going back to the page) but I am being prompted to install them by that pesky yellow shield next to the clock.
Clicked to install them but they both failed.
Will try the earlier fix of deleting the software distribution folder now I've reinstalled the activex control, it might synchronise both now.
The yellow shield next to the clock is the main irritation for me.
Quote from: pctech on May 22, 2012, 19:14:12
Simon
Try this:
In Internet Explorer:
Go to Tools > Internet Options
Under Browsing History click Settings
Click View Objects
Right-click on the WUpdateControl (or similar name) and click Delete.
Click Yes and OK where appropriate.
Close IE and reopen.
Go back to Windows update
Agree to install the ActiveX control
Click Custom and in my case at least, no updates.
No WUpdateControl in the list, but one with just letters and numbers, with status of 'Damaged'. I've removed it, so will see what happens next...
Right, curiouser and curiouser, I just went to Windows Update again, and it didn't ask to install ActiveX, so I'm assuming I must have removed something else. :nerves:
However, it said that 3 updates were hidden, which is correct, as I hid them last night, but when I clicked to restore and install the updates, I noticed these were different ones to the three that kept appearing before. I probably just saw the .NET part and assumed they were the same three. These seem to have installed, and according to my Update History, the troublesome updates also seem to have been installed:
QuoteWindows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP x86 (KB2656407) 22 May 2012 Microsoft Update
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP x86 (KB2604110) 22 May 2012 Microsoft Update
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP x86 (KB2604092) 22 May 2012 Microsoft Update
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 on Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows Server 2008 x86 (KB2487367) 22 May 2012 Automatic Updates
Windows Defender Definition Update for Windows Defender - KB915597 (Definition 1.127.390.0) 22 May 2012 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 and 3.5 SP1 on Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP x86 (KB2518864) 21 May 2012 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP x86 (KB2633880) 21 May 2012 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP x86 (KB2572073) 21 May 2012 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 on XP, Server 2003, Vista, Windows 7, Server 2008 x86 (KB2656351) 21 May 2012 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 and 3.5 SP1 on Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP x86 (KB2518864) 21 May 2012 Automatic Updates
So, if the bloody yellow shield appears again, with any of those, I'm just going to ignore them. Life's too short to be sodding about with stuff like this. :rant2:
Turn off the shield...
I'll test again tonight to see if it has survived a cold boot.
This might have been the problem http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/23/windows_xp_dotnet_update_mess/
Cheers Gary, thought i was missing something obvious :karma:
Quote from: pctech on May 23, 2012, 12:04:23
Cheers Gary, thought i was missing something obvious :karma:
:) Cheers Mitch
Thanks Gary. So, essentially, they're saying it's still broken. ::)
Quote from: Gary on May 23, 2012, 11:18:05
This might have been the problem http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/23/windows_xp_dotnet_update_mess/
Just spotted it. Was wondering if you'd make it into the news. Probably would be the case the only claim to fame was breaking windows. :laugh:
Seems to have fixed it for me, no nagging to install already present updates no updates shown on the Windows Update page.
Right, so what was the actual fix? I've still got the nagging yellow shield. :bawl:
Quote from: Simon on May 23, 2012, 21:27:04
Right, so what was the actual fix? I've still got the nagging yellow shield. :bawl:
Maybe this :dunno: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/910339 Click on reset windows updates and there is a magical MS fix it thingy.
I just removed that control and it seems to have fixed it.
If you can PM me or post a screengrab of your activex objects folder I can certainly advise you
Can do later. I think there were only four. One was the one that said it was 'Damaged', which I removed, I think one was Shockwave, and the others didn't relate to Windows Update.
Gary, if that's the same 'Fixit' that I found before, it seems to work initially, then the update shield comes back after a cold boot. :bawl: But, again, I'll have a look later. :)
Quote from: Simon on May 24, 2012, 10:19:30
Gary, if that's the same 'Fixit' that I found before, it seems to work initially, then the update shield comes back after a cold boot. :bawl: But, again, I'll have a look later. :)
May well be, I'm sure MS are working on this, but then again maybe they are hoping it will push XP users to rip their hair out and update to a later version ;) Not 7 though as I think Ballmer called Aero Glass 'dated and cheesy' ::)
What then? 8 looks sh*t! :ack: If anything, that will push people towards Macs.
Quote from: Simon on May 24, 2012, 10:50:13
What then? 8 looks sh*t! :ack: If anything, that will push people towards Macs.
Ballmer was always a nutter, 7 looks fine to me. * is a big gamble for Microsoft, I'm not sure how people are going to react to it on new machines. I still think MS should have had a distinctly separate but compatible OS for tablets rather than the mess that 8 appears to be.
It was actually some guy called Jensen Harris that said that http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/21/windows_8_aero_dead/
Time for Ballmer to go and Gates to do a Jobs style comeback?
Quote from: Simon on May 24, 2012, 10:50:13
What then? 8 looks sh*t! :ack: If anything, that will push people towards Macs Linux.
;)
PS, have you seen the videos of Balmer? I don't think he comes across as a sane person in a single one. :P At least Jobs and Gates had sense, even if they were somewhat megalomaniacs at times. :laugh:
Just been playing about with our test PC at work that is now running Win 8, I hate it!!!!
I'd not even waste the resources on testing it till MS offer a Metro free version (IE, Windows 7 SP3 as it looks like without Metro :P).
Trouble is Ben, I have to be ready for when people call up running it, I'd be fired if I said 'what are you running that for?!"
Quote from: Simon on May 22, 2012, 21:50:43
Right, curiouser and curiouser, I just went to Windows Update again, and it didn't ask to install ActiveX, so I'm assuming I must have removed something else. :nerves:
However, it said that 3 updates were hidden, which is correct, as I hid them last night, but when I clicked to restore and install the updates, I noticed these were different ones to the three that kept appearing before. I probably just saw the .NET part and assumed they were the same three. These seem to have installed, and according to my Update History, the troublesome updates also seem to have been installed:
So, if the bloody yellow shield appears again, with any of those, I'm just going to ignore them. Life's too short to be sodding about with stuff like this. :rant2:
I've been ignoring these for a long time! I now have a PC that has a blue screen and a registry that is corrupt/does not exist :laugh: Using son's laptop while the other son fixes my poorly PC ;)
Since I removed that control I've not had the problem nor have the problems reappeared.
However as I also have Office installed I installed the Microsoft Update control which monitors all MS products, are you using this or just Windows Update?
I'm using Windows updates.
Quote from: pctech on May 25, 2012, 17:02:07However as I also have Office installed I installed the Microsoft Update control which monitors all MS products, are you using this or just Windows Update?
I have Office 2003 - how would I know if I have Microsoft Updates instead of Windows Updates?
Computers are a pain in the ......... :laugh:
The site looks a bit different, try going to http://update.microsoft.com (only works via IE) and it'll check for the software and prompt you to install it if its missing.
Used to use that but still had problems with it trying to install something that would never complete :slap:
One is called MS update and the other Windows update.
I think the control I removed related to Win update rather than MS update but it did do the trick in my case.
The fact that loads of people have reported the same issue seems to indicate that one of the updates has borked the update system somehow.
Quote from: Steve on May 25, 2012, 18:32:08
One is called MS update and the other Windows update.
Yes, Win update just monitors the OS whereas installing MS Update upgrades the auto update system to monitor all installed Microsoft products.
If I go to Windows Update, via IE, it goes to the Microsoft Update site, but I'm not aware of having installed anything.
By its label.
It's a choice you made some time ago.
You do have Microsoft Update installed by the sounds of it then but where the software component is stored other than SoftwareDistribution I don't know as Microsoft being Microsoft don't document such things even for those that are Microsoft Certified Professionals.