See IDNet's announcement:
http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,28623.0
Damn, I was hoping Home Pro Fibre would get an increase.
It's hard to keep within the 50GB peak limit :(
I hope the new allowances are Gb and not Mb as the announcement shows. :whistle:
I was about to post the same, Glenn!!
I've alerted Simon as to what we hope is an error!
Oops, I need more coffee!
:laugh:
Nor Home Plus Fibre. It's the one thing I've gone backwards on since upgrading from ADSL - ironic how I've got 35 times the bandwidth but can't use as much per month. :slap:
Dare say that when my exchange is adsl2+ enabled later this year whether it in fact makes more economic sense than my FTTC
Maybe the fibre products will get revamped next month when the 80Mbps option becomes available "officially" from BT... hopefully also with bigger allowances :fingers: :fingers: :fingers:
:pray: ;D
I just noticed this in my account.
Package: Home Pro (ADSL2+)
Bandwidth Allowance: 180GB Total (Peak: 50GB / Off Peak: 150GB ) How do you get 180Gb from 50GB + 150Gb? :whistle:
I've pinched some of yours ;D
Quote from: Gary on Mar 12, 2012, 14:32:37
I just noticed this in my account.
Package: Home Pro (ADSL2+)
Bandwidth Allowance: 180GB Total (Peak: 50GB / Off Peak: 150GB ) How do you get 180Gb from 50GB + 150Gb? :whistle:
Snap!!! :) the bracketed area must be right
This should now have been corrected.
That's a decent price for 50GB peak.
it has indeed Simon.
when does this take affect from, now or every ones start of new month
I've been told the change is effective immediately.
Quote from: Simon on Mar 12, 2012, 17:39:35
I've been told the change is effective immediately.
Excellent news, Simon. :thumb:
Quote from: Lance on Mar 12, 2012, 14:36:25
I've pinched some of yours ;D
I wondered where it had gone ;D
Yay, and thanks to IDnet :) I think I've only crept over the old limit 3 times since I've been here, but now I can buy games via steam more often. Damn you :D
What about us on the ADSL Max (Lite) are we going to get some kind of increase?
Does this answer that?
Quote from: Simon_idnet on Mar 12, 2012, 10:47:10Unfortunately, we're unable to change the bandwidth allowances for 20CN services at this time.
Quote from: alan on Mar 13, 2012, 11:20:14
What about us on the ADSL Max (Lite) are we going to get some kind of increase?
As Simon's reply shows, you do not get the increase if you are on 20CN, but you do get the increase if you are taking the adsl max service on a 21CN connection.
I am very pleased with the way idnet have done this. I was (and still am) on an adsl max service. My exchange, to my great surprise, was recently upgraded to 21CN. idnet gave me the increased bandwidth immediately they connected me to 21CN even though I have not moved to adsl2+
My package details now show the latest increase too:
Package: Home Max (WBC ADSL MAX)
Bandwidth Allowance: 200GB Total (Peak: 50GB / Off Peak: 150GB )
Hence, over a few weeks, I have seen my bandwidth allowance increase from 30/60 to 50/150 while remaining on adsl max and with no increase in cost.
Thank you, idnet.
Thanks for that clarification, Armadillo. :)
Bandwidth Allowance: 180GB Total (Peak: 40GB / Off Peak: 140GB )
Your exchange is due to be upgraded to ADSL2+ on 31-05-2012
Your exchange is not yet scheduled to be upgraded to Fibre Broadband
:(
@armadillo if your allowances have increased then you will be on the ADSL2+ connection modulated as Max.
Yes Lance, that is what I am on. I chose not to take the adsl2+ service but to stay modulated as adsl max. That appears to be what idnet do by default. Unless the customer asks for adsl2+, they will get connected to 21CN but keep their adsl max modulation.
Ah well stuck on ADSL max.. Nothing planned on my exchange. Market 1.
This has come just in the nick of time after going over the allowance for the first time last month!
You took your time getting here! ;D :welc: :karma:
Welcome to the forums :karma:
This is wonderful news. How did I get by with just 5Gb a MONTH!!! ???
:welc5: :karma:
It's a shame though that IDNet are not doing something to keep up with the competition for those of us stuck on ASDL Max. Anyone else feel a bit hard done by?
Certainly a 20CN product is more expensive from BT wholesale than a 21CN product.
What would really help me would be a monthly roll-over of unused bandwidth usage. Some months I don't use my 40 gig allowance but some months I go a fair bit over. Over the course of a year I probably average 40 gig per month, but I certainly pay a lot more for it!
It's a shame though that IDNet are not doing something to keep up with the competition for those of us stuck on ASDL Max. Anyone else feel a bit hard done by?
Yep I am mate. I think Idnet are good but pricey compared to others.
One shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth but I see that Zen have just doubled their ADSL, ADSL2+ and fibre packages. 100GB FTTC download for £36 per month does indeed make IDNet look expensive but, more importantly, for most customers who are never likely to need unlimited broadband, Zen is offering packages which compete directly with BT. With OR working on local FTTC cabinets as I write, it would be nice to know if IDNet intend to respond by revising its FTTC packages?
Edit:
I must have upset OR as the BT Wholesale Checker has today changed from 31 March to 30 June for my cabinet. :-X
Quote from: Ardua on Mar 20, 2012, 13:35:47
but I see that Zen have just doubled their ADSL, ADSL2+ and fibre packages.
I don't understand this comment with regard to ADSL and ADSL2+. I had a look on the Zen website and, unless I have missed something, Zen are hugely more expensive than Idnet for a lot less content. ZenPro is £35.72 per month with a 100GB allowance and ZenActive is £25.52 with a 50GB allowance.
Idnet give me ADSL max modulation a 21CN connection (I chose to decline ADSL2+ modulation). I get 200GB per month on ADSL Home Max for £25.52. That is the same price as ZenActive with four times the download allowance.
Zen provide 11 POP3 mailboxes of which 10 are customizable. Idnet give me unlimited POP3 mailboxes, all customizable online.
To me, Idnet blows Zen out of the water.
Perhaps there is an ISP that matches Idnet for content, reliability and cost but I have not seen one :)
Active comes with a 100GB allowance from 1 April and Lite increases to 20GB and of course Pro will then double to 200GB.
??? Isn't it obvious that if your interest is boasting of the biggest FTTx download allowance then BT's Infinity has always been your best option? That's not new.
I wasn't trying to be obtuse. What I was trying to say is that many customers will never need or use an unlimited package whether it be ADSL or FTTC. However, as stated on Zen's website, customers are using more bandwidth as a result of smart gadgets and a wish to use on-line/on demand services such as IPlayer. Personally, I would happily pay a small premium above that charged by BT for a 100GB FTTC/ADSL package (with usage during normal times of the day) rather than £35.74 for a 50/150GB package (IDNet). So it follows, in my view, Zen have cleverly narrowed the gap between its products and those offered by BT. For others who download massive amounts overnight, then I accept that the comparison may well swing in IDNet's favour. Horses for courses.
Quote from: Ardua on Mar 20, 2012, 13:35:47
I must have upset OR as the BT Wholesale Checker has today changed from 31 March to 30 June for my cabinet. :-X
Sometimes when the dates changes it goes live not long after the original date, 3 cabs around this area was set for Sept 2011 and the dates got pushed backed to March 2012, but one was live just after sept and the other 2 by dec.
Same happened where my mate lives.
But it could also take a longer time frame, all depends if BT are having issues with the local council.
Quote from: psp83 on Mar 20, 2012, 15:43:58
Sometimes when the dates changes it goes live not long after the original date, 3 cabs around this area was set for Sept 2011 and the dates got pushed backed to March 2012, but one was live just after sept and the other 2 by dec.
Same happened where my mate lives.
But it could also take a longer time frame, all depends if BT are having issues with the local council.
FTTC cabinet in, fibre installed, power connected and links between the 2 cabinets installed. CASS is still around running the fibre into ducts around the town so I am hoping that the final FTTC connection will be sooner rather than later.
Quote from: Ardua on Mar 20, 2012, 13:35:47
100GB FTTC download for £36 per month does indeed make IDNet look expensive
The Zen Fibre Pro is £38 + VAT so £45.60 with a 40/2mb 100Gb (rising to 200Gb) package.
Compare the Zen 10mb upload packages, so like for like, the Fibre Office 40/10Mb 200Gb is £66.00 http://www.zen.co.uk/home-office/broadband/fibre-broadband.aspx
The IDNet's Home Fibre Pro is £47.99 with a 40/10mb 100/300Gb package https://www.idnet.net/solutions/home/broadband/default-fibre.jsp
Reading these replies, they all make sense and actually, Zen's increase to 100GB per month on Active, regardless of peak/off peak for the same cost as Idnet's 50/150GB package would be quite an attractive deal. I rarely (in fact never) reach 100GB per month but might sometimes want around 50GB in peak time. However, 10 POP3 mail boxes would be a deal breaker. I use around 30 boxes at the moment. It is of course possible to take a separate email service from an email provider but this is at more cost and there is no guarantee that such a provider would maintain quality of service.
This all reminds me of what OfGen have being saying about energy tariffs. They need to be simplified. There are now just so many options and pricing structures for broadband.
Some ISPs distinguish between peak and off peak. Some don't. Some put weekend into off peak. Idnet seems unique in putting weekend daytime into peak.
I wonder if the split between peak/offpeak is really necessary anyway and also whether it is really necessary to adopt different pricing on 20CN and 21CN. I know BT wholesale charge more for 20CN than 21CN bandwidth but that does not mean Idnet have to reflect that difference in customer charges. I am sure they could devise a simpler pricing structure.
The increases in allowances are great, but I still wish this off peak peak structure would change, as has been said with more devices using the net, Blu-ray players and TV's with skype capability and youtube iPlayer etc and Sky now letting its anytime+ VOD open up to all ISP's and with Netflix and Lovefilm making more in roads into peoples houses for streaming content as well, the current set up still leaves a lot to be desired. :-\
Thing is I dont understand much of the above. ??? However we purchased a new Blu-ray player and this came with a free online movie to watch. This we did and thought it was ok, then next day I get an email from Idnet saying I'm going to go over my allowance and will get charged extra. So I look around and there a loads better options than what I am paying for. I need more allowance for the hours my family are about, not when everyone is in bed.
Quote from: cyprio42 on Mar 20, 2012, 18:25:44
Thing is I dont understand much of the above. ??? However we purchased a new Blu-ray player and this came with a free online movie to watch. This we did and thought it was ok, then next day I get an email from Idnet saying I'm going to go over my allowance and will get charged extra. So I look around and there a loads better options than what I am paying for. I need more allowance for the hours my family are about, not when everyone is in bed.
Exactly, having 150/300 GB between midnight and 9am is good if your downloading files or renting films from iTunes to watch later. But 50/100 GB peak time bandwidth will be used in no time when you want to stream stuff at a normal time.
I don't want to wait to gone midnight to watch a movie from blinkbox/netflix when I have to be up early, also packet loss is higher after midnight and even on a 80/20 connection (speeds of around 55mb) I still get buffering and stuttering when the packet loss is higher so in the end I give up watching the movie / stream.
Once my 12 months is up I will be looking around if nothing gets changed, small bandwidth limits on a high bandwidth connection is my only issue with IDnet at the moment, except for that, the service and staff are great.
I understand to a certain extent why some ISPs have peak and off peak periods to ensure that their business customers' traffic isn't impeded by a load of couch potatoes watching repeats of Strictlydancingonicewithnotalent in HD but unless you are an avid downloader its really not suitable unless IDNet allow the offpeak to be used at the weekend too when there is less business traffic?
Quote from: pctech on Mar 20, 2012, 22:23:49
I understand to a certain extent why some ISPs have peak and off peak periods to ensure that their business customers' traffic isn't impeded by a load of couch potatoes watching repeats of Strictlydancingonicewithnotalent in HD but unless you are an avid downloader its really not suitable unless IDNet allow the offpeak to be used at the weekend too when there is less business traffic?
Turning weekends into off peak would be enough to make me stay, I hardly touch my off peak allowance.
During the time period 1 March 2012 to 19 March 2012 your bandwidth use was:
44.35 GB Download - (Peak: 23.16 GB | Off-Peak: 21.19 GB)
2.61 GB Upload - (Peak: 1.83 GB | Off-Peak: 0.78 GB)
If your previous 7 days rate of usage continues for 31 days then the total for the month will be:
72.77 GB Download - (Peak: 38.07 GB | Off-Peak: 34.71 GB)
4.18 GB Upload - (Peak: 2.92 GB | Off-Peak: 1.25 GB)
* Peak times are 9:00am to midnight - Off-Peak times are midnight to 9:00amAnd that's being VERY careful about my peak time usage & not using the PC much because of a bad neck & shoulder.
Before the uplift in the allowance on Zen if IDNet had done such a thing I might have defected to IDNet as my working patterns are different now.
I'm on ADSL Max - Home Supermax, so from 1st April Zen will offer 20GB more allowance than IDNet for about the same price and with no restriction on when I can use it. The only negative is a reduced upload rate, which does make a difference when video chatting with family/friends.
I decided a long time ago to keep my mail separate from my ISP, albeit at a cost, so that I have the freedom to switch provider easily.
Great minds think alike, registering my own domain was the best thing I did and have a terrific mail host.
You'll never have weekends counted as off peak. That would absolutely destroy peoples experience of a lot of things, especially online gamers. It doesn't take much of a change to see the massive impact on an online game, especially an FPS game where a very stable connection is needed. It's a pain for me sometimes, having to leave my PC on after midnight, or waking early to start a download, but in reality I'd prefer to do that than have a horrible experience online at the weekend either streaming things, or playing a game. I don't actually play online anymore as I'm sick of whiny kids ruining every experience.
Quote from: pctech on Mar 21, 2012, 11:54:25
Great minds think alike, registering my own domain was the best thing I did and have a terrific mail host.
I've got a terrific mail host too. I host my own! ;D
Quote from: Lance on Mar 21, 2012, 13:58:04
I've got a terrific mail host too. I host my own! ;D
I do similarly, on a VPS from Gandi.
Quote from: pctech on Mar 21, 2012, 11:54:25
Great minds think alike, registering my own domain was the best thing I did and have a terrific mail host.
Who hosts your domain & mail?
Quote from: psp83 on Mar 20, 2012, 23:11:28
Turning weekends into off peak would be enough to make me stay, I hardly touch my off peak allowance.
That would be enough to make me stay as well, as I am seriously considering going back to ZEN, unless my new WiMax opportunity with VFAST comes along sooner than expected.
Colin
With their new allowances, I am moving to Zen next week. There have been too many niggling problems of late with IDNet and the mail server outage was the one which finally made me get off my backside after several years with IDNet. My son is an IT professional and he uses Zen at home so that must say something I guess.
It's a one month rolling contract so if I'm not happy I can always return.
Good luck. Sorry to see you go, but you're always still welcome on the forum. :)
Quote from: Simon on Mar 22, 2012, 11:35:44
Good luck. Sorry to see you go, but you're always still welcome on the forum. :)
Thanks Simon. I'll be checking in as usual.
and good luck from me. :fingers:
Quote from: SSK on Mar 21, 2012, 16:34:36
Who hosts your domain & mail?
Company called Netcetera www.netcetera.co.uk who also support greylisting which cuts down a lot on spam.
Would be happy to use Zen for the hosting of the mail but at the moment they don't do a mail only package (don't really want to pay £3.99 a month for cpanel) and they are a tad expensive for .com TLDs and don't offer Whois privacy.
QuoteHome Pro: now 200GB per month (50 Peak plus 150 Off-peak)
Home SuperPro: now 400GB per month (100 Peak plus 300 Off-Peak)
No chance of a splash more peak quota on the Home Plus package then?
:fingers:
Not afaik. :(
Quote from: mouthrush on Apr 02, 2012, 15:40:59
No chance of a splash more peak quota on the Home Plus package then?
:fingers:
Agreed, 30GB is a bit tight when an hour of HD on iPlayer (via the Humax box) eats over a gig, and on my 80/20 FTTC can download it in about 6 minutes- not much chance to kill it if you decide you don't want to watch it after a few minutes :bawl:
Quote from: 6jb on Mar 22, 2012, 07:53:00
With their new allowances, I am moving to Zen next week.
If you need any help jb, give me a shout.
Quote from: Bill on Apr 02, 2012, 18:59:08
Agreed, 30GB is a bit tight when an hour of HD on iPlayer (via the Humax box) eats over a gig, and on my 80/20 FTTC can download it in about 6 minutes- not much chance to kill it if you decide you don't want to watch it after a few minutes :bawl:
I constantly get snapped by game updates. 250mb down the drain if I launch the wrong one. :laugh:
Yep game updates are getting ridiculously large.
So is everything on the internet, that's the trouble :(
What happened to "640KB should be enough for anybody"? (Even if Bill Gates never actually said it :P)
Ah the days of 56 K modems that could only connect at a maximum of 53 if you were lucky and being deafened by the handshaking.
;D
Quote from: pctech on Apr 02, 2012, 22:44:48and being deafened by the handshaking.
Yup, I well remember the first time I fired up my USR Courier, the volume was set at full and I think I leapt about 3 feet straight up!
Quote from: pctech on Apr 02, 2012, 22:01:07
Yep game updates are getting ridiculously large.
That and the recent proliferation of streamed content does indeed present major problems on capped services. I do a lot of alpha testing for a couple of software houses which in the last two months alone has accounted for well over 65GB of my bandwidth allowance. I've found the only way I can manage it is to shut down all the ports associated with the clients because on FTTC it's all too easy to hammer your peak allowance with a background download without even realising it.
Two years ago my average usage was around 25 GB a month. Towards the end of last year that quadrupled to around 100GB. This year I'm hitting the end stops on my 120 GB IDNet allowance a month and I regularly take a trip to a friend's office who kindly allows me to leach off his business connection. My totals for March were 112.66 GB Download - (Peak: 28.55 GB | Off-Peak: 84.11 GB) with IDNet and s further 215 GB on my friend's office connection. I did watch most of the coverage from two GPs on Sky Go which accounted for a surprisingly large amount of bandwidth but I don't do any file sharing and I do limit myself to less than an hour or two of streamed content a day.
Times are clearly changing, two years ago 25 GB allowed me to do everything I wanted to do on the Net. Two years later I'm consuming nearly 350 GB and I now have to think twice every time I run up a game client or have the urge to watch an hour or two streamed content. I keep eyeing up Sky's oh so cheap but never arriving FTTC package and even horror of horrors, BT Infinity, but I also keep reminding myself you get what you pay for.
As a slight aside, if you think 350 GB a month sounds excessive, we've been conducting a survey for the last few months on a mid sized gaming and technology forum I maintain. While there are a few users who poll lower figures (manly due to capped services), 350 GB is below average and a surprising number of people regularly report figures over and above a terabyte a month.
I don't think I'm in the market for a terabyte per month, but even a different split between peak and off-peak would be most welcome, say 50/100 instead of 30/120.
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Apr 02, 2012, 23:31:36
That and the recent proliferation of streamed content does indeed present major problems on capped services. I do a lot of alpha testing for a couple of software houses which in the last two months alone has accounted for well over 65GB of my bandwidth allowance. I've found the only way I can manage it is to shut down all the ports associated with the clients because on FTTC it's all too easy to hammer your peak allowance with a background download without even realising it.
Two years ago my average usage was around 25 GB a month. Towards the end of last year that quadrupled to around 100GB. This year I'm hitting the end stops on my 120 GB IDNet allowance a month and I regularly take a trip to a friend's office who kindly allows me to leach off his business connection. My totals for March were 112.66 GB Download - (Peak: 28.55 GB | Off-Peak: 84.11 GB) with IDNet and s further 215 GB on my friend's office connection. I did watch most of the coverage from two GPs on Sky Go which accounted for a surprisingly large amount of bandwidth but I don't do any file sharing and I do limit myself to less than an hour or two of streamed content a day.
Times are clearly changing, two years ago 25 GB allowed me to do everything I wanted to do on the Net. Two years later I'm consuming nearly 350 GB and I now have to think twice every time I run up a game client or have the urge to watch an hour or two streamed content. I keep eyeing up Sky's oh so cheap but never arriving FTTC package and even horror of horrors, BT Infinity, but I also keep reminding myself you get what you pay for.
As a slight aside, if you think 350 GB a month sounds excessive, we've been conducting a survey for the last few months on a mid sized gaming and technology forum I maintain. While there are a few users who poll lower figures (manly due to capped services), 350 GB is below average and a surprising number of people regularly report figures over and above a terabyte a month.
Time to look at an unlimited business connection Zap?
That would be ideal but there are too many financial variables at the moment. It's an option I might consider if I ever sell my property.
Take today for an example, Battlefield 3 just had a 1.02 GB patch released, but if you downloaded the last DLC before a certain date you have to re download this DLC for it to work after the patch, so that's another 1+ GB download.
So in the space of 30 mins, I've used over 2GB just with 1 game update :(
I think it is a tricky decision for IDnet or any ISP to make. My previous ISP, for example, treated the whole weekend as off peak. Or they could go as Zen does and not make any distinction between peak and off peak at all.
I suspect that IDnet will lose some customers to the likes of Zen through separating peak from off peak and classing weekend daytime as peak same as a weekday. But they may consider that customers who are bothered by that are customers they do not especially want to retain owing to the impact they have on the rest of the customer base. For if the result of retaining them is to cause the overall service to deteriorate, or cost to increase because of needing to add more capacity, they may lose more customers still.
For me, as I have said already, the attraction of Zen's allowance is more than offset by having only 10 email boxes. I looked at the cost of email hosting elsewhere (eg 123reg) but it would roughly double the cost of my present all-inclusive service from IDnet. I currently use 25 email boxes and would not be happy with a service that provided fewer than 35 and preferably unlimited.
We all have different priorities and IDnet must feel they can retain sufficient customers with the allowances they recently announced.
Every ISP I have used has started with a good service which eventually deteriorated as the customer base grew, through aggressive marketing, to a size that could not be sustained at its current cost.
Quote from: armadillo on Apr 03, 2012, 22:07:10
We all have different priorities and IDnet must feel they can retain sufficient customers with the allowances they recently announced.
That's a good point. We are all different.
I just moved to Zen and because I host several domain names myself on Linux equipment the ten mailbox restriction does not apply. I guess I am just trying them out to see what reliability is like compared to IDNet. I'm not a game player but do download maybe 40Gb of data per month. To me, the Zen anytime allowance compared to the IDNet 2/3rds off-peak doesn't really matter as my downloads are largely automatic and I tend to schedule them for when I am not at the keyboard, either when out or in bed.
Regardless of the number of mailboxes an ISP gives you, I always advise any colleague to get their own domain name, even if they are going to forward the email to one of their ISP mailboxes. Such an idea only costs about £2.75 per year and means that the individual can carry their own domain / email address for ever.
Quote from: 6jb on Apr 04, 2012, 07:49:59
That's a good point. We are all different.
Regardless of the number of mailboxes an ISP gives you, I always advise any colleague to get their own domain name, even if they are going to forward the email to one of their ISP mailboxes. Such an idea only costs about £2.75 per year and means that the individual can carry their own domain / email address for ever.
I agree with the rationale, if you need only one mailbox. I actually do have a domain name, from 123-reg, and it costs only about £3 per year I think. It includes only one mailbox, which can be forwarded to an ISP mailbox and I already do that. But the domain name option only allows incoming mail. I need to be able to send mail from each mailbox too, and to do that, you have to buy an email service. With their email package, each POP3 mailbox costs £9 per year. I need 35 mailboxes and hence a cost of £315 per year for mailboxes, which are "free" with IDnet. Moreover, I need to be able to create and delete mailboxes at any time and not necessarily keep any particular one for a year or more. And services like hotmail are not an option. Neither is hosting my own really something I want to do as I do not want to have to keep a mail server on all the time and I have no house space for yet another cabinet.
On that basis, IDnet is by far the cheapest reliable option for me since it includes unlimited mailboxes, which I can create and delete at any time. Only a minority of ISPs do that and IDnet is the most reliable of those that do so. Like you, I can schedule a good amount of downloading for overnight and the peak time limit is not a problem for me. In fact, I have never even exceeded 30GB peak in a month and usually am below 20GB. I have never exceeded 90GB total download in a month and usually am below 50GB total. The new download limits make the service effectively unlimited for me: download limits I do not even need to think about exceeding and a perfect and flexible solution for mailboxes.
Hence we agreed everyone has different priorities. If it were not for the mailboxes, I would not be with IDnet.
1&1 are cheaper, Dill.
The small peaktime allowance (it didn't seem so small before the family discovered streaming tv) coupled with the arbitrary off-peak timing (after midinght?) is starting to feel the strain.
As much as I like and often recommend IDNet, I seem to be asking the family to lay off IPlayer etc in the early half of the month. My eye is straying towards Claranet and their Claranet Gamers package. Not that I'm a gamer, but offpeak period between 6pm and 8am is much more civil, along with the price, dont you think?
Thanks Rik. I just had a look on 1&1's website but I could not see any product at all with 35+ mailboxes. Their domains give 5. They have a Microsoft Exchange offering for £5 per user per month, which would work out at £2100 per year :eek4:
Fortunately, due to IDnet's wonderful service I can do it all here for £25 per month and I even get broadband included :-)
Sorry, missed the 35. :red:
Quote from: mouthrush on Apr 04, 2012, 13:31:29
Claranet Gamers package. Not that I'm a gamer, but offpeak period between 6pm and 8am is much more civil, along with the price, dont you think?
It certainly is more civil, provided you can live with their 10GB per month limit outside those times.
I really do wonder why IDnet do not start off peak until midnight.
Quote from: Rik on Apr 04, 2012, 15:20:09
Sorry, missed the 35. :red:
LOL. It would be a good little earner for them. ;D
Quote from: armadillo on Apr 04, 2012, 15:31:52
It certainly is more civil, provided you can live with their 10GB per month limit outside those times.
I really do wonder why IDnet do not start off peak until midnight.
I would guess it's the actual users we have to account for, not the hardware. ;)
Users will be using the PC/internet mainly between the hours they are not working or sleeping. :red:
And IDNet has a large base of business customers...
http://www.claranetgamers.co.uk/
claranet say they impose the 10GB limit on 8am to 6pm to "keep business users happy" and they are unrestricted outside that period.
That would suggest that IDnet's limit on 9am-6pm is consistent with a large business user base; but that the extension of the peak period from 6pm to midnight has more to do with its domestic customers. That would be the peak period for domestic users to stream content. They appear to want to discourage heavy streaming usage by domestic customers because of the impact it would have on domestic non-streamers.
Personally, I am happier with IDnet's present 50/150GB peak/off peak split based on midnight than I would be with a 10GB/unrestricted based on 6pm. But I do not stream anything at all.
As I said, IDnet may well lose some customers because of that split. But they may be customers that IDnet feel they can well afford to lose. I also wonder though, if midnight is a bit too conservative. Maybe they could start the off peak at say, 10pm, without compromising domestic non-streamers much.
Claranet were my very first ISP back in 1996.
They were nearly mine, but I went to AltaVista instead.
I started with Pipex, disliked their arrogance and moved to an ISP in the Isle of Man. I think I've used most of the major players since, but discovered the niche market a decade back and haven't regretted it since. My first online carrier was Prestel, based on the teletext system, in the days of the BBC Micro.
I used Claranet dial up in about 2004, never had to call support so don't know whether it was good or not.
Tried out most of the 'big boys' and found the service wanting and made the absolute mistake of using that big red cable company's ADSL service when I was first provisioned.
Definitely prefer the smaller players.
Zen make it into the top 10 ISP's by subscriber numbers http://www.ispreview.co.uk/review/top10.php
Oh to know the IDNet figure...
It's less than 87k according to that chart.
But how much less. :)
Good thing is though. the really good ISPs don't need to advertise and that keeps Joe Public at large away and the network less congested.
Now if we could all have fibre connection direct to a port on our ISP's switch (or at least a non profit neutral third party) and dispense with BT it would be terrific.
Dream on. ;)
Quote from: armadillo on Apr 04, 2012, 17:21:29
http://www.claranetgamers.co.uk/
claranet say they impose the 10GB limit on 8am to 6pm to "keep business users happy" and they are unrestricted outside that period.
That would suggest that IDnet's limit on 9am-6pm is consistent with a large business user base; but that the extension of the peak period from 6pm to midnight has more to do with its domestic customers. That would be the peak period for domestic users to stream content. They appear to want to discourage heavy streaming usage by domestic customers because of the impact it would have on domestic non-streamers.
Are the evenings possibly restricted for their telephone subscribers?
In what sense?
Quote from: armadillo on Apr 04, 2012, 15:18:16
Thanks Rik. I just had a look on 1&1's website but I could not see any product at all with 35+ mailboxes. Their domains give 5. They have a Microsoft Exchange offering for £5 per user per month, which would work out at £2100 per year :eek4:
Fortunately, due to IDnet's wonderful service I can do it all here for £25 per month and I even get broadband included :-)
I'm not sure where you are looking but 1&1's starter hosting package includes 1000 email accounts for £2.50 pm, but you would need to add a domain to that.
I use 1&1 for my email hosting, and I've been happy with them, but I know plenty of people who haven't.
Quote from: t22design on Apr 17, 2012, 16:18:58
I'm not sure where you are looking but 1&1's starter hosting package includes 1000 email accounts for £2.50 pm, but you would need to add a domain to that.
I use 1&1 for my email hosting, and I've been happy with them, but I know plenty of people who haven't.
Thank you for that. I was looking under "email solutions" on their main page as it seemed a natural place to look for email solutions :dunno: It never occurred to me to look for email solutions under web hosting. Now I have and it is quite a surprise that web hosting offers email addresses for roughly one hundredth of the cost per address that "email solutions" does.
A few things were not clear to me, looking at their description of the 1000 email addresses:
1) Can you send email from those addresses as well as receive it?
2) Can you choose NOT to have a catchall address?
3) Can you turn off all spam filtering?
Worth bearing in mind should, perish the thought, IDnet ever stop providing its excellent (for my needs) email service.
I only have experience of the package I am on, but for me it's 'yes' to all three questions.
If you want any more information or to discuss it further send me a PM so we don't clog the forum up.
This is the cheapest mail package 1and1 do http://order.1and1.co.uk/MailInstantMail?__lf=Static
Quote from: pctech on Mar 21, 2012, 11:54:25
Great minds think alike, registering my own domain was the best thing I did and have a terrific mail host.
Same here. It's called a Fit-PC2 and it sits in my study :thumb:
I pay 89p per month for my mail hosting, the electricity to run a machine would cost me more than that.
Quote from: pctech on Apr 24, 2012, 19:55:04
I pay 89p per month for my mail hosting, the electricity to run a machine would cost me more than that.
My server consumes 8w
maximum. Given I don't receive much email it's probably idle most of time which is apparently 6w. That's approx 4.5kwh a month which is probably about the same cost :)
http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/
But my main reason for wanting a home server is the control. I have a non-standard addressing system and I don't think all hosting systems would support it. Basically I need to be able to set up a wildcard alias so that everything where the address matches a template goes into a specific mailbox and anything that doesn't match is thrown away.
Quote from: t22design on Apr 24, 2012, 11:47:38
I only have experience of the package I am on, but for me it's 'yes' to all three questions.
If you want any more information or to discuss it further send me a PM so we don't clog the forum up.
Thank you. That is plenty info for now.
Changing email host is a hassle. So I would only take a separate email service if something happened to render IDnet email inoperative, such as IDnet selling up or change of terms needing a shift to a different ISP. For now, IDnet meets all my email and broadband needs at a price I am happy with.
Quote from: andrue on Apr 25, 2012, 20:28:26
My server consumes 8w maximum. Given I don't receive much email it's probably idle most of time which is apparently 6w. That's approx 4.5kwh a month which is probably about the same cost :)
http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/
But my main reason for wanting a home server is the control. I have a non-standard addressing system and I don't think all hosting systems would support it. Basically I need to be able to set up a wildcard alias so that everything where the address matches a template goes into a specific mailbox and anything that doesn't match is thrown away.
Ah an interesting little device there.
I'm waiting, like a lot of people on here are, to be able to get my hands on a Respberry Pi.
I may look at turning that into a small mail server but the main reason I'm reluctant to put a mail server on the end of my ADSL connection is of course, the BT factor.
Specificially because I use my domain address for job applications etc so although most mail servers will try for up to 72 hours I wouldn't want any potential employer to get the message that their mail could not be delivered because my connection was because the wrong cable was unplugged at the exchange.
Far better for the mail to set on a server somewhere connected to a multi-homed fibre backbone.
I would guess that's right! Could you not have a home server with a fallback to a paid one? Is there a service that you only pay for if you use? Oh, a gap in the market for that product? Emergency Email Servers R' Us!
Quote from: pctech on Apr 26, 2012, 00:23:53I may look at turning that into a small mail server but the main reason I'm reluctant to put a mail server on the end of my ADSL connection is of course, the BT factor.
I'll be interested to see how that pans out. I was with Be for six years and I don't think I ever had an outage. One or two weeks of questionable speed (by their standards) but for the purposes of email it was fine.
I think I was running an email server when I was with Nildram in the very early days on IPStream but can't really remember. Anyway WBC is a different ballgame so it'll be interesting. I hope your fears prove unfounded though because the hour it took to switch me over to FTTC was the longest I can remember not having a connection.
In any case I'm not so dependant on email at the moment. It's mostly just order confirmations from Amazon and the occasional personal mail so 100% uptime isn't essential :)