If anyone would like to trial FTTC running at 80Mbps please drop me a line (simon at idnet dot com). The initial trial will be limited to just 150 lines across the whole country during January but will then open up to a wider trial until the end of March.
Your line must currently run at 15Mbps or faster downstream and 5Mbps upstream in order to qualify.
As usual, there are no gurantees as to the quality of the service during the trial period. And we have no indication of what the price will be once the service is commercially available.
Is it an option for people already on the 40mb FTTC product? (People like me!)
Yes, Inkky, I mailed Simon this morning, he put me on his list.
My names already on the list according to Simon! ;D
Hopefully mine will be in a while as well :)
:slap: Presumably that's 150 lines "spread" amongst all participating ISPs. Another fine piece of BT hype for the gullible?
Request sent to Simon... I'm a sucker for shiny new toys ;D
I would like to be added to the list.
You need to email Simon.
Thanks Rik, I have. If I'd read Simon's post properly I would have known that wouldn't I !
It was easy to miss, given the format of the email address. :)
Wow. 80Mbps. That's got to be reaching specialist requirements only right? Granted, we did eventually need something faster than 56k... but I see 80Mbps as being something most people will not need for a while.
Hope the trial goes well though! Those who get it will be bound to find a use (HD TV? HD webcam to Aussie family? Etc).
Quote from: Technical Ben on Nov 06, 2011, 09:11:19Those who get it will be bound to find a use
My speed test is bigger than your speed test :evil:
Forgive me for an off topic winge. Much has been written about the Poverty Gap; but there is an increasing Communications Gap between rural and urban Britain. BT seems to have walked away, and been allowed to walk away, from exchanges in the more remote bits of the UK because they are uneconomic to upgrade, sometimes from a little more than ISDN. Communities and local governments are expected to pay. So I guess the Broadband Gap is now 500kbps - 80Mbps; the difference between listening to Radio 4 and downloading the back catalogue of Universal Studios.
Quote from: Bill on Nov 06, 2011, 09:41:10
My speed test is bigger than your speed test :evil:
:lol:
Quote from: davej99 on Nov 06, 2011, 11:32:03
Forgive me for an off topic winge. Much has been written about the Poverty Gap; but there is an increasing Communications Gap between rural and urban Britain. BT seems to have walked away, and been allowed to walk away, from exchanges in the more remote bits of the UK because they are uneconomic to upgrade, sometimes from a little more than ISDN. Communities and local governments are expected to pay. So I guess the Broadband Gap is now 500kbps - 80Mbps; the difference between listening to Radio 4 and downloading the back catalogue of Universal Studios.
Aren't BT getting a chunk of money from the TV licence fee to redress the balance, Dave?
Yep, but I'm not sure if that is the cash which has allocated to BDUK, much of which will be spent with BT, or whether that was additional funding.
Quote from: Rik on Nov 06, 2011, 11:39:20
Aren't BT getting a chunk of money from the TV licence fee to redress the balance, Dave?
In addition, local government and communites here in Scotland and elsewhere in the UK are paying BT to upgrade rural exchanges to implement very basic broadband. The thing is we don't pay Royal Mail extra to deliver to rural areas, or the emergency services, or broadcasters, or the health service, or largely the power and gas providers. We assume the principle of universal provision and spread the cost amongst us. BT have largely escaped such obligations, yet they enjoy a near monopoly, especially on the copper. This was doubtless to maximise its privatisation revenues; for the same reasons Royal Mail's universal obligation seems threatened. BT are safe behind the fig leaf of regulated competition knowing that others do not rush to LLUie in Achiltibuie.
Nice poetry, Dave. :)
Thanks to everyone who contacted me about the 80Mbps trial. The list has now been sent to BT. Aparently we will need to place orders with BT to get these lines upgraded to 80Mbps when the trial starts on 8th Jan 2012.
Simon, an idea of the costs involved would be helpful!
Quote from: joe on Nov 09, 2011, 08:35:27
Simon, an idea of the costs involved would be helpful!
I'm sure they would tell you if they could, but it looks as though they can't:
Quote from: Simon_idnet on Nov 02, 2011, 09:07:38And we have no indication of what the price will be once the service is commercially available.
Unfortunately the list of participating Exchanges is quite small (see below). I've kept a list of all those who asked to join the trial and so for anyone whose Exchange is not listed here we'll try to get them onto the next phase of the trial which should by country-wide.
Acton
Arkwright
Arrowebrook
Ashford
Aycliffe
Balham
Banbury
Basford
Bath Kingsmead
Beaconsfield
Beckenham
Bedford
Beulah Hill
Bishopsgate
Boreham
Bridgend
Burnham
Burntwood
Bushey Heath
Chepstow
Chesham
Chesterfield
Colindale
Dronfield
Dulwich
East Grinstead
Edgware
Egham
Enfield
Evesham
Farnborough Hants
Feltham
Fernhill Heath
Gants Hill
Garforth
Gosforth Unit A
Grove Park
Guildford
Hackney
Hampstead
Hayes Common
Headington
Hengoed
Ilford North
Kingsbury
Kingston
Kneller Hall
Lee Green
Leighton Buzzard
Llantrisant
Lofthouse Gate
Loughborough
Lower Holloway
Maidstone
Mill Hill
Molesey
Mosborough
Newbury
North Wembley
Palmers Green
Preston
Primrose Hill
Purley
Rayleigh
Reading Central
Rugby
Rushden
Rushey Green
Sale
Shenley Church End
South Kensington
Southport
St Neots
St Peters
Stevenage
Stockton Heath
Stratford On Avon
Swadlincote
Teddington
Tile Hill
Tunbridge Wells
Uckfield
Widnes
Willaston
Winchester
Wolverton
Scrolling down the list I just knew my exchange wouldn't be on the list :(
:bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
Thanks for the exchange list, Simon.
:shake: Just weird. My "village" exchange is on the list but not the towns. Hapless anyway, as I'm on FTTC but in the "wrong" part of the exchange area, and 17a (sic) gives me the fantastic theoretical attainable speed of 42Mbps according to the Fritz!
Mine is, but we're not yet live.
Mine is missing
Bit crazy, isn't it. :(
Possibly the exchanges that are just going live are those in the trial, it would make sense as there may have been additional 'upgrade work' to existing exchanges.
Good point.
Quote from: Glenn on Nov 29, 2011, 18:26:49
Possibly the exchanges that are just going live are those in the trial, it would make sense as there may have been additional 'upgrade work' to existing exchanges.
Well mine went "live" back in July. The only thing I can think of it that it's a mix of different sized exchanges, backhaul issues and speeds/take up? Still don't explain why my "suburban" exchange in on the trial but not the "parent" town exchange (but we have the latest estates who might also have Virgin so is that the key)? I'd need vectoring but no sign of that yet!
Quote from: .Griff. on Nov 29, 2011, 15:36:27
Scrolling down the list I just knew my exchange wouldn't be on the list :(
Quote from: mervl on Nov 29, 2011, 17:09:29
:shake: Just weird. My "village" exchange is on the list but not the towns. Hapless anyway, as I'm on FTTC but in the "wrong" part of the exchange area, and 17a (sic) gives me the fantastic theoretical attainable speed of 42Mbps according to the Fritz!
Mine is (Willaston) and I have to say it baffles me. There are two exchanges around here, Willaston and Haslington (actually serving Crewe).
http://maps.thinkbroadband.com/?utm_source=mainsite&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=maps&utm_content=speedtest#!lat=53.087027962222855&lng=-2.470206093261711&zoom=13&type=terrain&exchanges%5Bfttc%5D=false&estimated-speeds
Willaston has always had decent speeds, whist as you'll see from that map, moving the Haslngton Exchange 1 1/2 miles back in the 80s has given BT a legacy problem with over long line lengths which was made much worse by lots of development on the North of the town (see all that red - three large housing developments all sub 1mbps!, versus almost all green for Willaston even on ADSL).
For some reason BT rolled out Willaston first and then Haslington later and now the 80mbps trial is taking the same route.
I'm sure there's a plan to it all, but I'm damned if I know what it is!
can i put my name down for the trial :D or the next trial, or even the one after that lol
Thanks
Paul
:welc5: :karma: Paul.
You will need to speak with IDNet support to get put on the list, the trial that starts in Jan has already closed, but there is meant to be a wider trial starting in March, I believe.
:welc: :karma: Paul
thank you both for the warm welcome.
:D
:welc: :karma: Paul.
Looks like the trial may begin on the 6th Feb and suggestion from the end of Jan that line checker speeds will reflect the 80/20 technology if supported by the ISP. I wonder whether the potential 80/20 speeds will be available to the end user
http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/updates/briefings/super-fastfibreaccessbriefings/super-fastfibreaccessbriefingsarticles/nga03511.do
Quote from: Simon_idnet on Nov 29, 2011, 15:24:37
Unfortunately the list of participating Exchanges is quite small (see below). I've kept a list of all those who asked to join the trial and so for anyone whose Exchange is not listed here we'll try to get them onto the next phase of the trial which should by country-wide.
Acton
Arkwright
Arrowebrook
Ashford
Aycliffe
Balham
Banbury
Basford
Bath Kingsmead
Beaconsfield
Beckenham
Bedford
Beulah Hill
Bishopsgate
Boreham
Bridgend
Burnham
Burntwood
Bushey Heath
Chepstow
Chesham
Chesterfield
Colindale
Dronfield
Dulwich
East Grinstead
Edgware
Egham
Enfield
Evesham
Farnborough Hants
Feltham
Fernhill Heath
Gants Hill
Garforth
Gosforth Unit A
Grove Park
Guildford
Hackney
Hampstead
Hayes Common
Headington
Hengoed
Ilford North
Kingsbury
Kingston
Kneller Hall
Lee Green
Leighton Buzzard
Llantrisant
Lofthouse Gate
Loughborough
Lower Holloway
Maidstone
Mill Hill
Molesey
Mosborough
Newbury
North Wembley
Palmers Green
Preston
Primrose Hill
Purley
Rayleigh
Reading Central
Rugby
Rushden
Rushey Green
Sale
Shenley Church End
South Kensington
Southport
St Neots
St Peters
Stevenage
Stockton Heath
Stratford On Avon
Swadlincote
Teddington
Tile Hill
Tunbridge Wells
Uckfield
Widnes
Willaston
Winchester
Wolverton
http://s.aa.net.uk/1345
QuoteWe have a number of customers on the FTTC 80Mb/s trial now. One has 79.7Mb/s and another has 57Mb/s. This is pretty impressive. The uplink is around 20Mb/s as well...
The trial is not going badly - the lines are syncing up at nice high rates, and the rates are correctly coming through to us.
There are a few minor teething troubles getting the profiles right in the middle somewhere - but this is a technical trial, so not at all surprising.
This part of the trial is expected to last until the end of the month, where the second phase of the trial starts. The second part is expected to be open to the whole country (where FTTC is currently available)
Any news on the second part of the trial Simon?
http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/updates/briefings/super-fastfibreaccessbriefings/super-fastfibreaccessbriefingsarticles/nga03511.do
I think I miss understood the terminology in relation to the trials , since we are now in the technical phase of the trial and this expansion mentioned beginning next month I think perhaps is the second phase. The term triallists I believe refers to Idnet as a CP
"Finally, from Monday, 6th February 2012, we intend to allow registered triallists of the GEA-FTTC 80/20 product variant to expand their use of the 80/20 product, moving out of the technical trial phase and into pilot."
Unfortunately an "Aministrative error" by Openreach means that our list of trailists has been omitted from Phase 1. I know it's disappointing to those who were looking forward to the new speed profiles but as Phase 2 has been brought forward to 6th Feb it will only be as few weeks before they can get the 80/20 services.
Do we have to apply for phase 2 Simon particularly those who were not on the original trial lists.
Thanks for the update Simon :)
The second phase of the 80/20 is due to start today for all those lucky enough to be on the shortlist. (Unless BT/OR cocked up again)
Good luck to all who sail in her. :fingers:
Typically my dad who is happy with Talk Talk (god knows why, I tell him every single time I see him to ditch it) has this available on his exchange. I'm off work for 2 weeks, in 3 weeks. Maybe I can sneak an order in before I go down there and take my external drive, and download all my games and back them up in Steam :D
Talk Talk use GEA rather than BTw. I'm not sure what that means with regards to 80/20 for their customers.
As for the 80/10 trial it's been very quiet today but I wouldn't be surprised if it's been pushed back or Openreach forgot Idnet had requested to take part.
He's probably happy with TT because its cheap as chips.
He saves a load on the phone side of things. His connection is AWFUL. They throttle the tits off it, and he's constantly on the phone to them with problem after problem. Everything he's told me they've said makes my skin crawl. Broken router because passwords are wrong, PC needs formatting because passwords are wrong, hard drive is definitely broken because his speed is lower than it should be.
Honestly, you couldn't make it up. Well actually, apparently you can, and they do.
Your off again Niall ::) How many weeks do you get? >:D ;D
Sounds like everything I've ever heard about TT.
old boss was on TT but he didn't care as he could only get 512Kbps anyway.
Quote from: Den on Feb 06, 2012, 20:13:46
Your off again Niall ::) How many weeks do you get? >:D ;D
I only get my annual allotment of leave in February and I've used a week, and will use two more at the end of the month, then I'll have dribs and drabs through the year when I'm fed up in work. I take the days off in February because it's quiet with not many kids around to annoy me if I want to go anywhere with my camera :)
You sound like me Niall.
I'll get a busy week and think 'I fancy a long weekend' so I book the Friday and Monday off.
I expected this thread to be a hive of people reporting their results from the 80/20 trial.
Are they all restricted by an NDA or did phase 2 get pushed back?
I've no idea what's happened... but I know what hasn't :bawl:
No idea Griff , I've not volunteered I'm awaiting reports as well.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 08, 2012, 16:09:50
No idea Griff , I've not volunteered I'm awaiting reports as well.
Same here.. Waiting to see if it has the same problems as ADSL2
Mine hasn't changed from what it is normally (http://www.speedtest.net/result/1760230408.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
And from BT
Download speedachieved during the test was - 30488 Kbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 16000-34275 Kbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is -34275 Kbps
Upload speed achieved during the test was - 6762 Kbps
Additional Information:
Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 10000 Kbps
We can now process orders for anyone wanting to try the new 80/20 FTTC service. Please email Support if you'd like to try it.
It's not clear... does this apply only to the restricted list of exchanges given earlier, and do those who applied the first time have to ask again?
I think anyone means anyone Bill, as I understood the 2nd phase to be nationwide and it sounds like you need to ask.
Thanks Steve.
BT ADSL Wholesale checker still shows 40/10 on my line, but I asked for the change this morning, Brian has advised that the change should happen at midnight tomorrow.
How much does it cost?
Quote from: Glenn on Feb 09, 2012, 12:51:25
BT ADSL Wholesale checker still shows 40/10 on my line
It's showing
"consumers have received downstream line speed of 40Mbps and upstream line speed of 18Mbps"
for mine, so goodness knows what I'll get :dunno:
Quote from: psp83 on Feb 09, 2012, 13:10:31
How much does it cost?
Nothing for the trial AFAIK Paul, but no idea once it goes live.
Quote from: Glenn on Feb 09, 2012, 13:54:39
Nothing for the trial AFAIK Paul, but no idea once it goes live.
I've just tried emailing support about the trial and prices etc but I got an email back saying it couldn't be sent to support@idnet.com (email problems my side)
So I might have to phone, Hopefully it'll be a free upgrade ;)
That will depend on what BT charge the ISP's I would think.
Email did reach support even though it said it wasn't sent :laugh:
Simon replied :
QuoteThere is no cost to join the trial but we do not yet have commercial prices from BT for when the service is 'live'
Quote from: psp83 on Feb 09, 2012, 14:03:12
I've just tried emailing support about the trial and prices etc but I got an email back saying it couldn't be sent to support@idnet.com (email problems my side)
So I might have to phone, Hopefully it'll be a free upgrade ;)
Use contactus@idnet.com, that's the address given on the main page.
Although come to think of it, I haven't had a reply yet!
Quote from: Bill on Feb 09, 2012, 14:11:51
Use contactus@idnet.com, that's the address given on the main page.
Although come to think of it, I haven't had a reply yet!
I don't think it's IDnet side, I'm having email problems with my own domain at the mo.
You joining the trial ?
Quote from: psp83 on Feb 09, 2012, 14:14:24
You joining the trial ?
I've requested to join, depends whether BT have sorted out my exchange yet I suppose.
What happens if you join, and then don't want to continue once the cost is announced? Is there an easy way back?
Quote from: Simon on Feb 09, 2012, 17:02:17
What happens if you join, and then don't want to continue once the cost is announced? Is there an easy way back?
I'm sure you would be profiled to 40/10 again.. As if I'm correct, its just a profile change to allow 80/20.
Just spoke to Brian on the phone.
My upgrade to 80/20 has been placed and Brian confirmed that if you don't want 80/20 when BT puts it live you can just change back down to 40/10 - support will put a request into BT to change your profile.
Quote from: Glenn on Feb 09, 2012, 12:51:25Brian has advised that the change should happen at midnight tomorrow.
Just had an email from Brian, more or less the same except that completion is due
by midnight, not
at midnight.
Makes sense.
Quote from: Bill on Feb 09, 2012, 18:01:27
Just had an email from Brian, more or less the same except that completion is due by midnight, not at midnight.
Makes sense.
Brian said the same on the phone, he said I might wake up in the morning and find out its done.
Bye bye bandwidth ;D
We will expect you to be posting at double speed too. ;)
I'll post the same speed, just double the waffle
A double waffle is always worthwhile. ;)
Currently managing a slightly improved 39/13 compared to a previous 37/8. Wondering if I'll get any higher than this within the next 24 hours.
Same here, Got a drop in sync just after midnight, the only thing that has changed at the moment is upstream..
speedtester.bt.com still gives the same profiles though, 38710 / 10000
(http://speedtest.net/result/1763313721.png)
I will give it a day or so to see what happens.
That ties in with what I'm seeing too.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/1763595704.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Download speedachieved during the test was - 31928 Kbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 16000-34275 Kbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is -34275 Kbps
Upload speed achieved during the test was - 14414 Kbps
Additional Information:
Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 10000 Kbps
Quote from: Glenn on Feb 10, 2012, 05:35:00
That ties in with what I'm seeing too.
Are you seeing any improvement on downstream yet? I've seen maybe 500k improvement so far.
Hopefully it will improve over the next day or so.
I guess this involves a line reset? Interested to see what happens to interleave and ping times over the next few days.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 10, 2012, 08:30:06
I guess this involves a line reset? Interested to see what happens to interleave and ping times over the next few days.
Think so, BT reset my line at 8:35am and now I have no connection :(
Support are looking into it..
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/1763906133.png)
Sems to have happened around 5am- brief loss of connection. Not bad for about 400 metres from the cabinet.
Impresssive :thumb:
Quote from: Bill on Feb 10, 2012, 10:05:05
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/1763906133.png)
Sems to have happened around 5am- brief loss of connection. Not bad for about 400 metres from the cabinet.
Nice. Hopefully I will see the same once my connection is working again.
The reset of the line this morning has caused me an auth problem with IDnet :( I swear BT hates me!
Quote from: psp83 on Feb 10, 2012, 10:10:34I swear BT hates me!
Don't take it personally, BT hates everybody ;)
Managed to persuade a BT speedtest to run: profile is 69897Kbps up, 20000Kbps down.
Successful upgrade
before:-
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k631/44_bh/line_stats-L-20120126-0937.png)
after:-
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k631/44_bh/line_stats-L-20120210-1243.png)
I note drop in SNR (of course) and interleaving off (now 1 and 1, previously 19 and 1). Bit loading looks dramatically different.
Barry
Nice Joe!!
Just managed (http://www.speedtest.net/result/1764294422.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
It seems my upload is around 16 Mb/s but the download is still around 36~ Mbps. BT Speedtester indicates a 77435k profile for downstream, not sure what's going wrong here? All tests are carried out using direct ethernet into modem (PPPoE connection).
I wonder if it has anything to do with the modem itself?
I've not managed a great speedtest out of the BT speedtester site so I have had to use various servers at speedtest.net. I've attached a .png displaying my maximum upload speed so far. I've not yet flashed my modem to get access to the stats but might look to do it soon.
Finally got my connection working today :
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/1771976251.png)
;D
Hope it stays working as well.
I asked about my download speed this morning, it has barely changed from the 40/10 profile, The line test failed on the line, so it turns out I need a BT visit which support are arranging.
Quote from: Glenn on Feb 14, 2012, 12:24:18
I asked about my download speed this morning, it has barely changed from the 40/10 profile, The line test failed on the line, so it turns out I need a BT visit which support are arranging.
Doh, Looks like the 80/20 trial has some bugs, from total connection loss to profiles not changing or other speed problems.
That is what the trial is for, to help iron out potential problems.
Quote from: Glenn on Feb 14, 2012, 13:22:03
That is what the trial is for, to help iron out potential problems.
Just hope everyone is grateful for our pain in testing this for them :laugh:
Perhaps I'm lucky I've not volunteered.
Do you get better service (from BT) if you are on a business package?
If you opt for enhanced care yes
QuoteBroadband Enhanced Care operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week including UK Bank and Public Holidays. BT will respond to a fault report within 3 hours of receipt of the fault report and BT will clear the fault within 20 hours of receipt of the fault report including out of hours engineering visits to site to complete a repair if required. (Whereas standard care offers a 40 clock hour clear within BT Wholesale with no guaranteed response time and no out of hours engineering visits available).
BT are reporting that they have fixed my line, I just need to reboot the modem when I get home to confirm it.
Quote from: Glenn on Feb 14, 2012, 16:27:47
BT are reporting that they have fixed my line, I just need to reboot the modem when I get home to confirm it.
:eek4: go careful, they may not let you log back in :laugh:
What was the problem?
Apparently there was a fault between my home and the exchange, the cabinet?
Quote from: Glenn on Feb 14, 2012, 17:05:49
Apparently there was a fault between my home and the exchange
Do BT have a building between your home and the exchange?
Nope, only the cabinet about 500 - 600m away.
It was a joke Glenn. I.E BT probably cocked something up.
I don't think I have a career in comedy ;)
It's the way you tell 'em Griff.
Quote from: .Griff. on Feb 14, 2012, 18:02:07
It was a joke Glenn. I.E BT probably cocked something up.
I don't think I have a career in comedy ;)
:blush:
Well the 'fix' hasn't fixed anything, still showing a pre-trial download speed, I guess the BT visit is required.
Quote from: Glenn on Feb 14, 2012, 19:30:52
Well the 'fix' hasn't fixed anything, still showing a pre-trial download speed, I guess the BT visit is required.
I got told by the engineer today that most profile changes take atleast 24 hrs on FTTC.
He also told me that the change of modem will also take 24 - 48 hrs for speed to settle down.
Maybe it'll be Ok in the morning?
Paul, I was only going by what BT suggested to support
QuoteBT have advised they located a fault between the exchange and premises but do not state if they had resolved the fault. Are you able to retest and advise if there has been any difference.
Stupid question but did you get an email from ident or something to tell you that you are on the trial ? I sent my details in to simon and our exchange (Headington) was on the list of exchanges in the trial but I haven't noticed any changes or heard anything so perhaps I'm not on the trial.
Simon re-posted the other day saying to contact support again if you want to go onto the trial.
Give them a call or drop support an email.
Oh ok thanks, I might leave it then. Might just skip the 80/20 and wait and see what the install costs are going to be for FTTP on demand. I hope IDNet participate in the trial in the summer for FTTP on demand.
The early indication of install costs is "hundreds of pounds".
Quote from: Lance on Feb 15, 2012, 15:48:39
The early indication of install costs is "hundreds of pounds".
Small business with high upload requirements. :dunno:
Indeed Steve I expect good takeup from SMEs.
Quote from: Lance on Feb 15, 2012, 15:48:39
The early indication of install costs is "hundreds of pounds".
Had put my name down to trial the 80/20 to get higher upload speeds but just figured I would probably leave it as it is for the time being in the hope that the FTTP on-demand trials will start in a couple of months or so. Even though it might cost a few hundred as once installed the fibre will be capable of any future profiles offered by Openreach. Not saying it is for everyone of course but as Steve says for small businesses it might be worthwhile. With the announcement I figured I might as well wait and see if it turns out to be stupid install cost £1000+ then I'd just make do with 80/20 profile by which time you guys will have helped BT sort out the problems.
:bore: So much for an AM engineer visit, best I finish my cuppa and go to work.
:sigh:
BT probly closed the ticket which in return will cancel the engineer, just like they did to me on the Saturday.
:wall:
Brian just sent me an email, apparently BT sent the fault for further investigation and not an engineer visit, I need to reboot the modem when I get home.
Quote from: Glenn on Feb 16, 2012, 14:19:58
Brian just sent me an email, apparently BT sent the fault for further investigation and not an engineer visit, I need to reboot the modem when I get home.
Do you have a feeling that your going around in circles? ;D
I've got that deja vu feeling again.
It makes you wonder, the modem is locked down why can't BT do that themselves.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 16, 2012, 14:47:48
It makes you wonder, the modem is locked down why can't BT do that themselves.
Going by what the engineer told me Tuesday, BT can remote manage the modem, he said they can even turn it off.
He said when they do work at the cab they have to phone the office to get them to turn the modem off..
How true that is I don't know.
Quote from: psp83 on Feb 16, 2012, 15:04:55
He said when they do work at the cab they have to phone the office to get them to turn the modem off..
Where do they dream some of this rubbish up!?!?
Quote from: .Griff. on Feb 16, 2012, 15:07:52
Where do they dream some of this rubbish up!?!?
No idea, but there are reports of a "back door" in the modems, so maybe they can remote manage the modems ???
Quote from: Glenn on Feb 16, 2012, 14:19:58
Brian just sent me an email, apparently BT sent the fault for further investigation and not an engineer visit, I need to reboot the modem when I get home.
Did it work this time?
Paul, I rebooted the modem and connected a laptop directly to it, then ran a test, I got
Download speedachieved during the test was - 1 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 16 Mbps-38.17 Mbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is - 38.17 Mbps
Speedtest however showed
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/1777475034.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
An hour or so later BT's test was 10Mbps, and this morning it was showing about 34Mbps
I'm having problems with both speed tests as well.
BBmax speed test seems to be giving the most accurate speed test at the mo.
Hi all - I'm new to these forums and I've only been an idn customer for a few weeks. So be gentle with me 'cos I'm new :angel:
I volunteered for the 80/20 trial and this became active yesterday. But I have seen no change to my downstream throughput only my upstream throughput. Any ideas? :)
Cheers
Rich.
:welc5: :karma: Rich
Have you rebooted the modem, I was advised to. I saw an improvement in my upload, but next to nothing on the download speeds.
Glenn
Hi welcome we are a gentle bunch here! Do you know how far you are from your cabinet? It is possible that if you more than say 500m that you will not see any benefit from 80/20 downstream, therefore it's not been enabled. :karma:
:welc: :karma: Rich!
What Simon said, Rich. :)
Hey - thanks for the warm welcome ;D
I live around 350m from the cabinet. I previously got ~38/9 so I assumed I would see an improvement.
Cheers,
Rich.
Quote from: Sagnad on Feb 22, 2012, 18:32:10
I live around 350m from the cabinet. I previously got ~38/9 so I assumed I would see an improvement.
I would have thought so too- I'm about 400m from my cabinet and my speed went from a pretty solid 39Mbps up to about 67Mbps (69Mbps profile).
I checked on the BT speed test site and it said my IP profile was 77.43 Mbps
:dunno:
How are you connected to the modem? i.e. which router and how is your network laid out. Just wondering whether the throttle is your side of the master socket.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 22, 2012, 22:00:01
How are you connected to the modem? i.e. which router and how is your network laid out. Just wondering whether the throttle is your side of the master socket.
I am currently using my Airport Extreme (latest generation) over 5GHz wireless N connected at full strength (estimated 450Mbps) with the BT modem plugged into the WAN port.
Rich.
What speeds do you get if you use a wired connection?
I would guess that the WiFi connection is the throttle , from my own experience unless I'm near the AEBS 5GHz it can throttle my 40/10 . Even though the connection reports at full strength it's the throughput that falls off as you move away. Your IP profile has shifted so the potential is there for higher throughput, have you tried a ethernet cable to rule this out.
Quote from: Glenn on Feb 23, 2012, 08:04:20
What speeds do you get if you use a wired connection?
That's a good question ;) and I'll give it a go tonight just to be thorough, but I get significantly more throughput on the internal WLAN (10MB/s++) when copying files to/from my NAS.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 2012, 08:05:46
I would guess that the WiFi connection is the throttle , from my own experience unless I'm near the AEBS 5GHz it can throttle my 40/10 . Even though the connection reports at full strength it's the throughput that falls off as you move away. Your IP profile has shifted so the potential is there for higher throughput, have you tried a ethernet cable to rule this out.
I'm literally only 1.5metres away from my access point and the MacOSX network utility says a throughput of 450Mbps is the estimated throughput (usually seems pretty accurate ).
Rich.
Not seen that on Network Utility all I can see is the Link speed. I use Activity Monitor> Network, but as you say if you can get 10Mb/s throughput to the NAS you shouldn't have any issues. If your going to try a cable maybe worth bypassing the router altogether and trying a direct PPPOE to the modem.
I ran the speedtest.net test using a wired 1Gbps connection and achieved a throughput of 72/16. So I thought "I don't understand but it must be down to the wireless network thottling". So for giggles I tried it using the wireless network again and got the same answer! So I'm guessing something must have happened between Wednesday night and last night. Does it take time for it to adjust?
Your IP profile had changed so the throughput potential should be 'there' , Two things spring to mind,one is BT backbone congestion so you should perhaps see a similar pattern re occurring at peaktimes, secondly if IDNet limit throughput through their network to the BT BRAS profile it may not have been updated concurrently ( I may be completely wrong on this but there is a logic behind limiting the throughput of an individual line to the BT Bras profile)
An update on the trial.
Over the last few days I've been having problems.
Connection has been dropping alot, ping has increased and download speed has decreased slowly since being upgraded.
The connection drops has caused my profile to drop to 63Mbps from roughly a 70Mbps profile, I can't seem to get much over 40/10 speeds.
(http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-thumb/d21693da61d00e80fa5b0b8ef93a2933-02-03-2012.png) (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/d21693da61d00e80fa5b0b8ef93a2933-02-03-2012.html)
The graph above is typical day recently. Everything used to be smooth.
I'm wondering if this modem is on its way out ???
Certainly the max attainable speed will vary throughout the day, around 2PM showing the highest. I guess without looking at the stats from the modem one can only speculate as to the cause.
Since the upgrade until this week, my TBB graph has been like this :
(http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-thumb/74028c75cda53e7bdd109454cfff4306-24-02-2012.png) (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/74028c75cda53e7bdd109454cfff4306-24-02-2012.html)
Something somewhere has decided to play up this week.
And here's a BT speed test to go with it :
1. Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Download Speed
23 Mbps
0 Mbps 63.22 Mbps
Max Achievable Speed
Download speedachieved during the test was - 23 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 12 Mbps-63.22 Mbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is - 63.22 Mbps
2. Upstream Test: -provides background information.
Upload Speed
8.91 Mbps
0 Kbps 20 Mbps
Max Achievable Speed
Upload speed achieved during the test was - 8.91Mbps
Additional Information:
Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 20 Mbps
We were unable to identify any performance problem with your service at this time.
It is possible that any problem you are currently, or had previously experienced may have been caused by traffic congestion on the Internet or by the server you were accessing responding slowly.
If you continue to encounter a problem with a specific server, please contact the administrator of that server in the first instance.
We have identified that you have additional services enabled on you broadband line, please click continue to run advanced service tests.
Certainly sluggish for some reason.
Paul, what does your line give on a Speedtest.net test?
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/1812381861.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Where as a BT speedtest give 7Mbps, see attachment.
Both were done this morning within 2 minutes of each other.
Forgot to post this earlier :
(http://speedtest.net/result/1814699776.png)
Something is causing issues with my connection :(
I might power the modem & router down over night to let it cool down and see how it is in the morning.
A throwaway remark on tbb by the ADSL24 rep indicates the 80/20 service going live on (or about) April 1st:
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/4102184-adsl24-80mb-trial-now-open-to-customers.html
Hope it doesn't turn out to be a particularly appropriate date :whistle:
And that we'll soon get some idea of the price- I'd like to stay on it, but not if the cost is excessive.
Should it cost anymore than 40/10 I'm not sure although you expect to pay more for the bandwidth it will inevitably consume.
Isn't the FTTH the same cost as FTTC per month? I've heard it is, if that's true then I can't see why BTw will charge more for 80/20.
It should replace the 40/10.