A5 processor yada yada Looks like an iPhone 4 :sleepy:
You are watching the keynote aren't you
How very boring! Has he finished yet?
Quote from: pctech on Oct 04, 2011, 19:03:20
You are watching the keynote aren't you
No its on google lol
right, nothing on the Apple site just yet.
Quote from: Simon on Oct 04, 2011, 19:03:56
How very boring! Has he finished yet?
I think Apple has with any success over android and screen sizes :evil:
Quote from: pctech on Oct 04, 2011, 19:05:05
right, nothing on the Apple site just yet.
No I am watching the keynote ;)
Oo it can switch between antennas and make toast better calls supposed 4G speeds over 3G with some magical elf too. 8Mp camera and better battery. 1080P video, Face detection as well. Time to first photo: 1.1 seconds. Half a second for next shot. GSM and CDMA in one unit.
No doubt there will be long lines up to Apple stores tomorrow though because its new.
I think the intention of the majority US iPhone users is to upgrade
Quote from: pctech on Oct 04, 2011, 19:13:24
No doubt there will be long lines up to Apple stores tomorrow though because its new.
No idea when it goes on sale, new ipods go on the 12th iOS5 released on 12th also.
It's certainly an upgrade from the 3GS in terms of spec.
I liked the pcpro comment. "It has face recognition for idiots who can't point at a face" :D
All the news in one place http://www.macstories.net/news/apple-announces-iphone-4s-a5-faster-graphics-same-iphone-4-design/
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 2011, 19:16:41
It's certainly an upgrade from the 3GS in terms of spec.
Its not a massive upgrade from the 4, same sized screen is sad though.
I would agree with that.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 2011, 19:21:31
I would agree with that.
I think people will move to android in their droves now, people want bigger screen real estate.
But how do you do that without making a larger phone? Does it not then becomes a niche product once is goes past a certain size
I know I want a larger screen. I'm only holding off buying the S2 because I read somewhere last week that a new phone was released last Friday. As it's 4G I doubt we'll see it here any time soon though. I really want to get away from my iphone though, it's really annoying me. I was hoping that this would be some sort of huge jump and be an iphone 5 with large screen, better keyboard, not linked to itunes, flexibility to install your own ring tones by literally adding them to a folder, allowing you to select them. Having the option NOT to use itunes is the way forward, or use their store, but they'll never do that, so I suspect I'll be off when a more powerful replacement to the S2 appears.
http://recombu.com/news/samsung-16mp-smartphone-camera-revealed-appearing-in-galaxy-s3_M15357.html
Well that seems to indicate it's a while off yet. Ho hum. 16mp in a mobile phone is very dodgy ground. They better be using some ground breaking sensor, or that amount of info on a little sensor would be noise-tastic.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 2011, 19:26:05
But how do you do that without making a larger phone? Does it not then becomes a niche product once is goes past a certain size
The Sensation is actually not much bigger than the iPhone 4 Steve, when held together is really surprising how close they are.
Quote from: Gary on Oct 04, 2011, 19:22:51
I think people will move to android in their droves now, people want bigger screen real estate.
Even with the security issues? I wonder if BlackBerry will benefit from this?
Quote from: Niall on Oct 04, 2011, 19:27:56
I know I want a larger screen. I'm only holding off buying the S2 because I read somewhere last week that a new phone was released last Friday. As it's 4G I doubt we'll see it here any time soon though. I really want to get away from my iphone though, it's really annoying me. I was hoping that this would be some sort of huge jump and be an iphone 5 with large screen, better keyboard, not linked to itunes, flexibility to install your own ring tones by literally adding them to a folder, allowing you to select them. Having the option NOT to use itunes is the way forward, or use their store, but they'll never do that, so I suspect I'll be off when a more powerful replacement to the S2 appears.
You dont need to use iTunes Niall it has OTA updates and you can scan your entire music account and have it on a server, but still I take your point.
I'm probably one of the few people on the planet that thinks what they have done makes sense. I have an iPhone 4 which I've used for over a year. I've also recently tried many other types of phone but I still prefer the iPhone 4. I prefer the design and I like the way it functions and the fact that the only time I've ever had to read the manual was to work out how to take a screenshot.
If I can afford to I'll update to the iPhone 4S because it is more of the same. Improving on something that was excellent to start with makes sense to me.
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Oct 04, 2011, 19:32:28
I'm probably one of the few people on the planet that thinks what they have done makes sense. I have an iPhone 4 which I've used for over a year. I've also recently tried many other types of phone but I still prefer the iPhone 4. I prefer the design and I like the way it functions and the fact that the only time I've ever had to read the manual was to work out how to take a screenshot.
If I can afford to I'll update to the iPhone 4S because it is more of the same. Improving on something that was excellent to start with makes sense to me.
With most smartphone screens at 4" or more, really after you have used one the iPhone looks awfully small and outdated.
Did I read somewhere that the 4 doesn't use a standard SIM card? If I upgraded from the 3GS, would I need to get another SIM?
http://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL
Share's are dropping now, and amusingly I just got an email from itunes telling me about bargain sales on music :D
Quote from: Simon on Oct 04, 2011, 19:45:55
Did I read somewhere that the 4 doesn't use a standard SIM card? If I upgraded from the 3GS, would I need to get another SIM?
Free from O2 store Simon.
Release is 14th October , pre order 7th October not seen any pricing yet.
Quote from: Niall on Oct 04, 2011, 19:49:28
http://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL
Share's are dropping now, and amusingly I just got an email from itunes telling me about bargain sales on music :D
Ouch..
Quote from: Gary on Oct 04, 2011, 19:49:41
Free from O2 store Simon.
So, it is different? Can they program the new SIM with my number there and then?
Quote from: Steve on Oct 04, 2011, 19:50:21
Release is 14th October , pre order 7th October not seen any pricing yet.
Probably the same as before I think. £599 for 32GB model I bet. You can get so much more in an android phone for so much less.
Quote from: Simon on Oct 04, 2011, 19:53:02
So, it is different? Can they program the new SIM with my number there and then?
Yes its a Microsim, they sent me one ahead of the 4 and I swapped the number over on the day, you get an adaptor so you can put it in normal phones also
Apparently some investment companies who hold large stakes in Apple thought Jobs might make an appearance but apparently he didn't so the question is, is that the reason the share price is now dropping or are they just underwhelmed about the new product?
Quote from: Gary on Oct 04, 2011, 19:38:54
With most smartphone screens at 4" or more, really after you have used one the iPhone looks awfully small and outdated.
My failing eyesight would agree but I still find the iPhone 4 a comfortable size.
Does the superior resolution not compensate for the smaller screen?
Having used the HTC HD2, coming down to the 3GS was a bit of a struggle, and I still wish you could adjust the font size in Safari, but I've got used to it now. I'd like to have a larger screen again, but I just don't like Android, and that really limits choice at the moment.
Quote from: Simon on Oct 04, 2011, 22:43:49
Having used the HTC HD2, coming down to the 3GS was a bit of a struggle, and I still wish you could adjust the font size in Safari, but I've got used to it now. I'd like to have a larger screen again, but I just don't like Android, and that really limits choice at the moment.
Android with the sense skin is fine though, better than Symbian. To get Siri you need a 4S Its not part of iOS5 as I assumed. so I will get one I think. Large screens are beter though, the Sensation really isnt much biger than the iPhone 4 get rid of that dumb home button and you gain loads of space, touch sensitive small home button and its done almost.
I wasn't sure about the bottom row of touch buttons on the Sensation. I prefer hard keys there, as they are not so easy to activate accidentally. My old BlackBerry Storm had the bottom row as touch, and it was really annoying.
Quote from: Simon on Oct 04, 2011, 23:20:44
I wasn't sure about the bottom row of touch buttons on the Sensation. I prefer hard keys there, as they are not so easy to activate accidentally. My old BlackBerry Storm had the bottom row as touch, and it was really annoying.
I quite like Justinas buttons :o
:evil:
Just watched the keynote, nothing really inspiring.
I agree but I after the issues with the launch of version 4 perhaps a middle of the road version was deemed a safe bet. I guess they'll have to be more innovative quite soon otherwise they'll get left behind especially when there's huge potential markets available in China and India.
I may look at one next time I upgrade depending on what happens with Android and upgrades,
Android need to unify and guarantee updates to handsets for greater than 18mths, your iPhone gets a few years...Also with all the skins over android that makes it worse, then there's the carriers...iPhones are not allowed to be tampered with by carriers, so not bloated software. Android over comes this and Google will know how many times you use the loo, just like Zuckerberg wants you to broadcast :whistle: On a side note, FF spellchecker on my machine underlines zuckerberg and offers c*cksucker as an alternative :laugh:
Yep. If the battery dies on your andriod, it might be that "helpful help app assisting helpful apps to help our customers be helpful in helping" app the carrier installed with al the bugs to boot. :D
Just had a quick read through this thread and I found it quite amusing seeing as this is the biggest selling iPhone release.
Were you reactions knee-jerk or are you lot seriously disappointed? ???
p.s. i'll be picking mine up from o2 tomorrow hopefully.
TheMonkey, I think Transformers 2 outsold Transformers 1 at the cinema. Popularity =/= quality. ;)
The iPhone 4S is a really good phone. But most the comments here are from those with a iPhone 4 or those who don't need an iPhone at all. :D
(http://judasphone.com/i/judasphone35.jpg) ;D
Quote from: TheMonkey on Oct 13, 2011, 15:43:13
Just had a quick read through this thread and I found it quite amusing seeing as this is the biggest selling iPhone release.
Were you reactions knee-jerk or are you lot seriously disappointed? ???
p.s. i'll be picking mine up from o2 tomorrow hopefully.
I'm still of the opinion that Apple did the right thing, took a fairly solid product and enhanced it. I'm quite happy with my iPhone 4 so I'd obviously like a 4S. I can't justify it at the moment but I may well get one later.
But "later" there will be the Iphone 5. IE, intermittent upgrade schedules are always hard to follow, and I would guess users skip a few.
Yeah but my 'later' might mean I'll order after lunch. I probably won't, that would be silly, tomorrow will do ;D
I would upgrade if I had the money! I don't though so I plan to stick with my iPhone 4.
Mine should be here via UPS today :)
Mine is due to ship on the 19th. There's always something wrong with the first batch anyway. :evil:
That's what I say as I scoff down the sausages/burgers at a BBQ, the pancakes/toast at breakfast and whenever I need an excuse to eat the food. :D
Mine was due to arrive today, however latest tracking status now suggests the 17th. Not that it's a great problem as I've plenty of other things to do and it's far better than queueing for the bloody thing.
Yes, apparently the Covent Garden shop was on the news this morning showing the queues. ::)
I wonder if they were minding their Ps? :whistle:
:sigh:
So after a 2hr queue at o2 this morning i'm a proud owner of a White iPhone 4S 16gig.
Its a very nice phone and is a massive upgrade on the 3GS as you'd expect. I can't speak for the iPhone 4 users though.
Siri is very good. Better than i thought it would be and its still in "Beta" so isn't fully functional.
The camera is also amazing. I can't lug my DSLR around everywhere I go so to have such a great camera on my phone is a real treat.
10/10 for me!
Glad to hear that. :)
UPS arrived and I am also the proud owner of a black 64GB iPhone 4S very happy indeed. Siri is pretty good as well. Signal is very good on this iPhone and the camera is great, much faster around the apps etc as well. Its a good update to my old 4 which is now saying bye bye.
So, is it worth the upgrade from an iPhone4?
You watch it, if I upgrade then 4 weeks later the iPhone 5 will come out :laugh:
Siri it would appear is not entirely helpful.
"When people outside of the US do attempt to use the functions, Siri replies: "I can only look for businesses, maps and traffic in the United States, and when you're using US English. Sorry about that."
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2011/10/14/iphone-4s-hits-uk-stores-as-siri-stutters-40094191/
Is it really anything more than a gimmick?
No, it's a sales gimmick. ;)
Quote from: Steve on Oct 14, 2011, 17:34:25
Siri it would appear is not entirely helpful.
"When people outside of the US do attempt to use the functions, Siri replies: "I can only look for businesses, maps and traffic in the United States, and when you're using US English. Sorry about that."
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2011/10/14/iphone-4s-hits-uk-stores-as-siri-stutters-40094191/
Is it really anything more than a gimmick?
Siri is in beta thats why. No issues here, it sends and compose txts and emails, sets alarms etc go though your music set reminders, great in a car when its hard to touch type. So I would not say its a gimmick, its better than the Android version at this stage. I also am sure they will get Yell to partner over here as well.
Quote from: Rik on Oct 14, 2011, 17:37:06
No, it's a sales gimmick. ;)
If you cant type or tremble as I do on my meds its a god send, Rik.
Quote from: psp83 on Oct 14, 2011, 17:17:30
So, is it worth the upgrade from an iPhone4?
You watch it, if I upgrade then 4 weeks later the iPhone 5 will come out :laugh:
Its a better phone, better colour casts on my screen compared with my old iPhone, no bluish pink tinge, camera is much better in low light as well and it ploughs though apps much quicker, its a solid update and above all it holds its signal and on mine call quality is much better.
I'll look forward to trying it if it ever arrives. Silly me told the 3rd party they didn't have to be in as the shipment would be delayed until the 17th (Apple Store tracking),however she got back to find the dreaded courier note. Looks like the 17th after all.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 14, 2011, 17:53:42
I'll look forward to trying it if it ever arrives. Silly me told the 3rd party they didn't have to be in as the shipment would be delayed until the 17th (Apple Store tracking),however she got back to find the dreaded courier note. Looks like the 17th after all.
I hate that, the courier said thats all they seem to have onboard today.Have to say I am very impressed. Decided to not use iCloud as of this moment, it works but I have privacy and data concerns and it has a few bugs tbh. having duplicate calendar settings is a nightmare. You should be very pleased with it, Steve. :thumb: You can also use Siri to type when using apps and the on internet as well, so it should work on here to.
I guess if you sync the Calendar on the iPhone with iCloud and iTunes the potential for dual entries will occur.
Just went to check my order, and it seems they're updating the website, so can't log in.
I don't think I've ever seen so many people buying a product that was supposed to be so disappointing. Considering how badly it was received at the launch, the sales so far have been truly amazing.
I'm going to wait a month or so before I think about getting the iPhone4s, my iPhone4 is ok at the mo, better camera and siri doesn't really bother me.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 14, 2011, 18:12:39
I guess if you sync the Calendar on the iPhone with iCloud and iTunes the potential for dual entries will occur.
It says merge calendars which I always thought meant make into one, Steve. :eyebrow:
Quote from: psp83 on Oct 14, 2011, 21:09:52
I'm going to wait a month or so before I think about getting the iPhone4s, my iPhone4 is ok at the mo, better camera and siri doesn't really bother me.
better phone reception is a biggy. Also it's as fast as an iPad which is no slouch.
I ordered a micro sim for the 4S, and switched over from my old sim last night. Oddly, the phone signal on the 3GS seems to have dropped a bar or two as a result. How does that work, then? :-\
Could it just be a software difference?
Same software as will be on the 4S. :dunno:
Can you revert the SIM to see if the display changes?
No, I don't think so.
Might be worth trying, just to see if it gets as far as the signal display.
'No Service'
Oh well, another bright idea bites the dust. :(
;D
Off to get fish and chips now. :food:
Enjoy. :)
Quote from: Simon on Oct 15, 2011, 11:37:04
I ordered a micro sim for the 4S, and switched over from my old sim last night. Oddly, the phone signal on the 3GS seems to have dropped a bar or two as a result. How does that work, then? :-\
Since installing the new OS I've noticed that my 3GS receives a stronger wifi signal, but a weaker 3G one. 1 bar instead of 3 in my house, but oddly the signal seems stronger than it was in 3-4 bar areas. In work I'd get 3-4 bars but now get a full signal. No idea why!
Some ideas on signal strength including scotch tape :eek4:
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2008/02/boost-signal-2.html
That's interesting. I wonder if the micro sim is just a different fit, with the adapter, and will work better in the 4S?
It has to be a possibility.
I do wish the GSM Association would get its members to agree a set algorithm to calculate signal strength so that it was standard across all devices as this state of affairs is truly ridiculous.
I hope the new Galaxy is released soon. I can upgrade next month, and despite Vodafone being annoying, all the other options seem to be getting more complaints recently so it might be easier to just stick with my current set of morons :angel:
I have to say that I'm surprised at the lack of people mentioning that the new iphone OS has blatantly ripped off android with a lot of features. I like them, but that's actually one of the reasons I was moving. Now they seem to be ripping off android, the 4GS might actually be worth a look (if the S3 is some sort of backwards step). I want new shiny!
Oh and while I'm thinking about it. The vodafone package I'm on apparently has access to the BT openzone wifi now, which is odd as I've always seen these networks around and can't connect to them, while my mate on his 4G can. I don't know if my contract has just been updated to actually allow it, but I don't remember it being there before, and I definitely remember complaining to my mate that I was paying the same as him and he had it and I never!
I really can't fault O2 I have to say, anytime I've tried to move its been a hassle.
I'm actually thinking of moving to Tesco with the Galaxy S2, but preferably the S3 if it's out soon. Still, I have until February to make my mind up. I want to reduce outgoings as I'm paying £46 a month at the mo, and the S2 is almost half that for a similar package!
Quote from: Niall on Oct 15, 2011, 18:53:09
I hope the new Galaxy is released soon. I can upgrade next month, and despite Vodafone being annoying, all the other options seem to be getting more complaints recently so it might be easier to just stick with my current set of morons :angel:
I have to say that I'm surprised at the lack of people mentioning that the new iphone OS has blatantly ripped off android with a lot of features. I like them, but that's actually one of the reasons I was moving. Now they seem to be ripping off android, the 4GS might actually be worth a look (if the S3 is some sort of backwards step). I want new shiny!
Oh and while I'm thinking about it. The vodafone package I'm on apparently has access to the BT openzone wifi now, which is odd as I've always seen these networks around and can't connect to them, while my mate on his 4G can. I don't know if my contract has just been updated to actually allow it, but I don't remember it being there before, and I definitely remember complaining to my mate that I was paying the same as him and he had it and I never!
And Android copied iOS features, its how it works in that great corportate world we are all part of thats falling apart around us. After all who copied the folders feature from iOS? Without this stuff going on our devices would not grow. Good luck with the wifi issues on the S2, and even death grip on HTC Sensation...ahh the irony. Phones do everything apart from make calls and have battery's that last more than a day, well if you have a 4.3"-4.6" screen device maybe thats not so surprising, where does phone end and tablet begin :dunno:
Quote from: Niall on Oct 15, 2011, 19:13:30
I'm actually thinking of moving to Tesco with the Galaxy S2, but preferably the S3 if it's out soon. Still, I have until February to make my mind up. I want to reduce outgoings as I'm paying £46 a month at the mo, and the S2 is almost half that for a similar package!
If you are planning to port your number be careful.
They sent me a SIM out with a different number to the temporary number shown on the account and they told me the SIM had been deactivated when they traced its serial number.
Complete morons.
Quote from: pctech on Oct 15, 2011, 21:46:16
If you are planning to port your number be careful.
They sent me a SIM out with a different number to the temporary number shown on the account and they told me the SIM had been deactivated when they traced its serial number.
Complete morons.
Was that during your jaunt around the providers? Never had an issue with porting before, but I tend to stay put, O2 works even if there is no 3G coverage. :(
That's right Gary, looking for a better deal but I am now staying put with O2.
Quote from: pctech on Oct 16, 2011, 17:07:50
That's right Gary, looking for a better deal but I am now staying put with O2.
We are always told to look for better deals, Mitch. Sometimes that seems to cause more issues than needed though.
Yep, you could say I've 'dun roamin'' ;D
Quote from: pctech on Oct 15, 2011, 21:46:16
If you are planning to port your number be careful.
They sent me a SIM out with a different number to the temporary number shown on the account and they told me the SIM had been deactivated when they traced its serial number.
Complete morons.
I always change my number when I get a new phone. That way I can stop people that phone me, from phoning me. I'm rapidly becoming Howard Hughes.
I've had the same number for as long as I can remember. I've only ever had two different numbers.
Quote from: Niall on Oct 16, 2011, 23:31:51
I always change my number when I get a new phone. That way I can stop people that phone me, from phoning me. I'm rapidly becoming Howard Hughes.
You might be alright then or you could always prop up that dying industry known as the phonebox ;D
Quote from: pctech on Oct 17, 2011, 06:47:42
You might be alright then or you could always prop up that dying industry known as the phonebox ;D
I might as well just ask a stranger to pee on my hands if I'm using a phone box :D
Initial impressions compared to 3GS , love the screen resolution,it's so very much quicker and the camera's now usable. Managed a fairly straight forward setup and it's not been anywhere near iTunes,all my required Apps downloaded from the cloud.
I don't like this cloud business. My 3GS will sync with iTunes wirelessly now, but it still needs connecting to mains power. :stars: Will the 4S sync wirelessly without a power connection?
Haven't got that far yet but I suspect it will be the same as the 3GS, my guess is to avoid data corruption should the battery die during sync.
At work signal strength is fairly poor on the 3GS , The 4S at the same location is performing much better ie I can use for data without frequent dropouts
I've noticed the 3G signal is better with IOS 5 on the 3GS too.
Quote from: Simon on Oct 17, 2011, 23:11:22
I don't like this cloud business.
You've been embracing this blue sky thinking haven't you? ;D
I like to think inside the box. ;D
;D
Yep that philosophy keeps me employed.
Good review here for the 4S, I must admit the signal is brilliant, it holds here really well and I live 1.3km from the nearest cell tower with loads of obstructions (O2) http://www.reghardware.com/2011/10/18/review_apple_iphone_4s_smartphone/
Quote from: Simon on Oct 17, 2011, 23:11:22
I don't like this cloud business. My 3GS will sync with iTunes wirelessly now, but it still needs connecting to mains power. :stars: Will the 4S sync wirelessly without a power connection?
Yes it does, what it means is when you have the phone on charge overnight and the screen goes blank it syncs, but you can do it manually at at any time on just battery takes a few minutes after the first bigger one. I'm not using iCloud, I dont like data floating about on a server somewhere tbh. Also I dont really need to use it at this time.
A worthwhile upgrade from the 4, Gary?
Quote from: Simon on Oct 18, 2011, 14:27:09
A worthwhile upgrade from the 4, Gary?
Definitely, very glad I bought a new one, its a better actual phone, the smart bit just falls into place. :)
Gnashes teeth waiting for shipment....
;D
The wait will be worth it - as long as you don't throw it at anything. ;)
For the cost of it, that's not bloody likely! ;D
I think the iPhone 4S with IOS5 is a very rounded performer and the build quality to me feels exceptional. IOS5 is very refined,it's slick it works (Siri excluded) with the added advantage that iTunes sync is no longer essential . iCloud functions as I need it to,which ever device I use the same data is available. I'm not to worried about confidentiality or potential data loss with iCloud as I'm sure there's more chance of me losing the phone. So it's a thumbs up from me.
Siri doesn't work?
I'm reserving judgement,it relies on a connection to Apple's servers,my experience so far with relatively poor 3G reception areas have met with limited success. Plus I feel a bit self conscious wondering around talking to myself.
That's why I never use those Bluetooth handsfree earpieces. ;D
I have been using Siri loads, I don't care what peeps think of me if I talk to my phone, its more than most people do with them these days anyway ;)
;D
My language has been a tad colourful at times though.
What's the reaction when you swear at it? ;D
It gets attacked by fruit flies. :)
Quote from: Simon on Oct 19, 2011, 10:32:18
What's the reaction when you swear at it? ;D
It normally complains that I'm not using US English,
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394834,00.asp#fbid=HoJCEMCHGUY
Rik's comment went straight into orbit. :dunno:
What, the chewing gum?
Meanwhile, here on planet Earth... ::)
I am not sure if I should welcome speech activation. It's like the other generation not wanting colour TV. :P
Quote from: Simon on Oct 19, 2011, 13:18:41
Meanwhile, here on planet Earth... ::)
:hehe: