Exchanges already live - http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/super-fastfibreaccess/downloads/sffa_exchange_lists/accepting_orders.pdf
Exchanges coming soon - http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/super-fastfibreaccess/downloads/sffa_exchange_lists/coming_soon.pdf
Future (Planned) exchanges - http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/super-fastfibreaccess/downloads/sffa_exchange_lists/future_exchanges.pdf
(Accurate as of 14th October)
Edit: date changed at Griff's request
New build developments http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/super-fastfibreaccess/downloads/sffa_exchange_lists/new_housing_developments.pdf
Only a year to wait then for me at Frinton. :(
Hmmm, Southend on Sea is listed as 'Now' :swoon:
Anybody know how I can find out more? (I'll read more of the PDF in a second so if it's on there no need to tell me to RTPDF! ;D )
Go to your customer portal at IDNet and check if it's available, Inky.
Dec-11 for me.
Quote from: Inkblot on Jun 14, 2011, 18:43:58
Hmmm, Southend on Sea is listed as 'Now' :swoon:
Anybody know how I can find out more? (I'll read more of the PDF in a second so if it's on there no need to tell me to RTPDF! ;D )
Depends which exchange in Southend on Sea you're on.
"Southend Town" is live while "Marine" and "Thorpe Bay" aren't.
Quote from: Rik on Jun 14, 2011, 18:44:51
Go to your customer portal at IDNet and check if it's available, Inky.
No mention of it there, only the availability of 40mb version which I already have...not that I'm greedy
1 but if it's available I'd like to at least know how much (If any) more it costs and whether the fact I am less than 3 months into a 12 month contract for the 40mb FTTC will prevent me from upgrading :)
1 OK, maybe a little greedy :)
Edit: Southend Town for me Griff ;D
Quote from: Inkblot on Jun 14, 2011, 18:50:20
No mention of it there, only the availability of 40mb version which I already have
I think you're confused Inkblot.
FTTx means FTTC and/or FTTP (the x representing the last letter). There's no new technology called FTTX. Sorry if it led to confusion.
No date for me, but I think that is something to do with some odd ownership thing the borough council have over the main exchange in Colchester.
Quote from: .Griff. on Jun 14, 2011, 18:55:54
I think you're confused Inkblot.
FTTx means FTTC and/or FTTP (the x representing the last letter). There's no new technology called FTTX. Sorry if it led to confusion.
Ah, you are right - I was confusing myself with the 'up to 80mb' upgrade from FTTC that I read about (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/65/33677594-bt-fttc-infinity-double-speed-2012-a.html) :blush:
Every time I see an update BT put my date back 3 months.
Yet again Wales is ignored, just 2 new additions, both in south Wales :mad:
The above dates are now accurate as of 7th July.
I see mine scheduled for 2012, personally I'd be happy with ADSL2+ No lists for that I guess?
ADSL2 was scheduled here for this year but has subsequently been canceled since it is now listed as FTTC for 2012. I suspect some exchanges will simply skip ADSL2.
Others will just skip the 21st century altogether. :evil:
I'm doing quite well already! ;D
;D
I think BT are skipping line stability in Wrexham full stop. I can't see us on those lists :(
The PDF's have been updated again today folks!
Curiously, the PDF says my exchange is live now, but IDNet are giving a date of September 30.
If you're brave, place an order. ;)
Rik the BT Wholesale checker also seems to suggest your exchange is now live for FTTC -
Quote
Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed between 36.3 to 37.9 Mbps and upstream line speed between 9.1 to 9.8 Mbps.
I must nudge IDNet. :)
You'll wee yourself if you start getting 30mb after 3 all these years :D
:lol:
I probably will at that.
Live and coming soon lists have been updated again today.
I await your call. ;D
Flyer from local Lib dem councillor crowing about the fact Fibre to the cab is available in North Furzton (though he is saying BT Infinity is available and does not say other suppliers are available) and the 'free' trial of FTTP until October.
Going to mail and correct him on his confusion of a technology with a brand name but also to ask why neither I nor my ISP can find out how much FTTP will be when the trial is over.
Go get him, Mitch. Lib-Dem by any chance?
Yep lib dem as I said (the back end of the particular pantomime horse currently occupying 10 Downing Street)
Talking of horses, Scotland is always at the "Coo's Tail" when it comes to Broadband.
It's all those mountains Lona.
All lists updated today.
Woop woop! My exchange is now down for 2012 :thumb:
:woot:
I think the Welsh Assembly should nationalize/confiscate the telecom infrastructure in Wales because BT continues to concentrate only on England & Scotland for fibre.
Well it will never happen in this part of rural Cheshire. MRCOM is the exchange and it doesn't feature on any future planning document.
God damnit! My exchange was due for end of this month, but now its 1st december!! :rant2:
At least it is still in 2011 ;D
Quote from: Lance on Sep 13, 2011, 14:15:41
Woop woop! My exchange is now down for 2012 :thumb:
You sure that wasn't the sound of da police? ;D
First two PDF's updated again this weekend.
Would a mod mind changing the date in my opening post to 14th October.
Thanks Griff.
Quote from: .Griff. on Oct 17, 2011, 14:55:40
Would a mod mind changing the date in my opening post to 14th October.
All done :)
Thanks Lance :)
Thanks Griff for the update.
My exchange is listed now, but sadly they think Wrexham is in a county that ceased to exist years ago, so I don't hold out much hope.
4 Months to go.... I can't wait to hopefully see a speed increase of 700%! :o
Do you know what you'll do with it, Jimbo? I look at fibre, and think I'd like it for the new technology and the speed, but then I wonder whether I need the speed - if the forum loads 10x faster it will make little difference to me. I've never seen the point of streaming video when I've got the ability to record two satellite and two Freeview channels whilst watching another in either medium or, of course a Bluray or DVD. I don't make a habit of big d/l, so I'm struggling to justify the move.
To me, it's the time saved with speed, not the quantity that it would allow me to download. My god, the time saved would be immense, especially when uploading photos, and downloading games through steam. Why with all that time, I could take over the world :D
:)
Wow. I'm scheduled for the 1st Dec 2011. I'm amazed my little village is getting any attention!
So will it be a simple upgrade? I see on IDNet site there is a fee of £96?
From recent experience the BT broadband web site check your speed is upto date for recent FTTC roll outs. My rfs was 31/12 but it has been available for about a week.
Quote from: TheMonkey on Nov 21, 2011, 16:27:33
Wow. I'm scheduled for the 1st Dec 2011. I'm amazed my little village is getting any attention!
So will it be a simple upgrade? I see on IDNet site there is a fee of £96?
It requires a BT visit, the engineer will install a BT-supplied modem (which remains their property), but you will need a new router. There must be an available power socket within reach of the BT master socket.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 21, 2011, 16:40:11
From recent experience the BT broadband web site check your speed is upto date for recent FTTC roll outs. My rfs was 31/12 but it has been available for about a week.
Okie dokie thanks ;D
Quote from: Rik on Nov 21, 2011, 16:45:37
It requires a BT visit, the engineer will install a BT-supplied modem (which remains their property), but you will need a new router. There must be an available power socket within reach of the BT master socket.
Blimy. Ok, how am I going to get this in without too much "whats going on" input from my wife ;D
So i need to purchase a new router. (ive got the third one down at the mo) http://www.idnet.net/solutions/home/routers.jsp
Plus I need a spare £96 for installation.
mmmmmmm :eyebrow:
You can't use an ADSL modem/router, you will need a Cable/Fibre router
Here are a few http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=46&catid=1596
Quote from: Glenn on Nov 21, 2011, 17:02:49
You can't use an ADSL modem/router, you will need a Cable/Fibre router
Here are a few http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=46&catid=1596
Pretend i'm thick for a minute...... :P
If BT are sticking in their own modem, would I be able to connect an Apple "Airport Extreme" router. (I have an iMac) http://www.apple.com/uk/airportextreme/specs.html
If it is just a router (it looks that way) then that will be fine, you plug the BT modem in to the WAN connection and configure the router with your username/password and it should work.
Thanks Glenn :thumb:
Quote from: TheMonkey on Nov 21, 2011, 17:08:06
Pretend i'm thick for a minute...... :P
If BT are sticking in their own modem, would I be able to connect an Apple "Airport Extreme" router. (I have an iMac) http://www.apple.com/uk/airportextreme/specs.html
As Glenn said it will be fine although you probably won't get native IPv6 out of it.
Sorry, another question.
Is this....
http://www.idnet.net/solutions/home/routers.jsp
The same as this?.....
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/netgear-wnr1000-wireless-router-03781591-pdt.html?srcid=867&cmpid=comp~Google~Computing%20accessories~03781591&istCompanyId=bec25c7e-cbcd-460d-81d5-a25372d2e3d7&istItemId=mraxxpt&istBid=t
Massive price difference??
I'd strongly recommend you give the cheaper Netgear routers a miss. I had significant problems with throughput using a Netgear router and it was only when I swapped it for a more expensive/powerful router that the problems went away.
Quote from: .Griff. on Nov 22, 2011, 15:21:36
I'd strongly recommend you give the cheaper Netgear routers a miss. I had significant problems with throughput using a Netgear router and it was only when I swapped it for a more expensive/powerful router that the problems went away.
ahh ok. may save up for the Apple one. Cheers :)
can i ask another question? Sorry of this isn't the thread for it but my exchange did say FTTC/FTTP. Now it says FTTX. Whats the difference between the two and is one better than the other and does IDNet cover both or just FTTC?
Thanks
FTTx is just a generic term for fibre whether x = c,p,h etc the nearer the fibre comes to the premises the faster the performance and the higher the monthly outlay usually. FTTP/H is currently on trial basis only
Ok, Steve. thanks.
This forum is very helpful! :)
*group hug*
Simon Cowell's obviously bought shares in BT and is now delivering the X Factor over fibre. ;)
And although it will come across really good initially, It probably isn't in the long run ;D
Too true. ;)
You soon get fed-up of the same unchanging rhetoric
I do, Glenn, every time I listen to a politician. :)
All three lists updated today.
Thanks, Griff. :)
At last my exchange is now more specific than '2012'. Forecast date is March 2012 but I've not seen any new cabinets going in anywhere yet.
Mine said September 2011 initially, Lance, it's going live this month. Don't hold your breath. ;)
Mine was pushed back 6 months, then out of the blue it was commissioned on the original date.
BT - a mystery beyond comprehension. ;)
I'm hoping that now one side of town has been dealt with and goes live next week, the engineers can come to my side!
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4474065261_4f95455a3d.jpg)
:lol:
;D
PDF's were updated again yesterday.
Thanks for posting these Griff.
My area, Gateshead, says District B in March. Would anyone know how I can find out what "District B" encompasses?
Thanks
I wonder if it's the same as the associated exchange code i.e. NEGHD or is district B a part of that particular exchange.
"Gatehead District B" is the Metropolitan Borough of Gatehead. Mine for example says "Walsall District B" and so on for all the other Metropolitan boroughs.
It's the specific exchange that's the relevant bit of information.
Thanks chaps. :)
So are we saying NEGHD is the relevant bit of info? As my postcode starts "NExx".
See here Jimbo - http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/NEGHD
More specifically the areas covered by that specific exchange is below -
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/griff_90/9fda0a5c.png)
However it's worth noting that while you may live in Gateshead you may not be covered by the "Gateshead" exchange and may actually be covered by Dunston, Felling, or Low Fell exchanges.
My exchange is down as FTTP. What's the difference between that and FTTC? Is is delivered differently?
It's a 100mb link straight to your home, rather than to a cabinet then copper from there to your home.
It comes all the way to a fibre modem mounted on the inside of your wall just above your skirting board.
I know someone who has it and can technically get it where I am but a bit too pricey as far as I'm concerned (as is FTTC) but is like being connected to a very fast LAN according to the person I know.
Thanks Glenn, bit better than FTTC then. Would imagine the installation would be different too, along the lines of Virgin cable. Now I'm wondering how I get it installed as I want it, as no doubt they will want to just stick an entry point at the front of the house and leave it at that
Would my normal ISP be reselling this(guessing he wouldn't as no phone lines required) or is it just a BT thing
Install takes about 7 hours Fritz.
I'm not liking the sound of this at all :slap:
Don't think they are at your house for 7 hours but they have to do prep at the exchange and literally blow the fibre using compressed air all the way to your home which takes some time.
I think The Register followied an install once from the exchange I'm on.
I'll try and find the link for you.
Quote from: pctech on Jan 04, 2012, 19:09:54
Don't think they are at your house for 7 hours but they have to do prep at the exchange and literally blow the fibre using compressed air all the way to your home which takes some time.
I think The Register followied an install once from the exchange I'm on.
I'll try and find the link for you.
It's not the 7 hours that bothers me it's the fact that I maybe not be able to use my current ISP, or my current equipment, them sticking the equipment where they see fit. I like my set up the way it is.
If I wanted FTTH I could have had Virgin for the last 11 years
Looks like I might be staying on ADSL up to 8meg for the foreseeable future then
Thanks for link if you find it PC Tech
Nothing to stop you using your Fritzbox, Fritzbox (If you are still using a Fritzbox that is) as all you need is router with an Ethernet WAN port.
BT Openreach supply a router but when the engineer has gone there is nothing to stop you unplugging the Ethernet cable from the BT supplied router and plugging it into your own kit, authentication works the same.
As for IDNet not offering it that's an issue for Simon or Tim as I believe the session is handed off over the same hostlinks.
Here's that link btw http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/03/bt_milton_keynes_fibre_to_the_premises_trial/
Once fully rolled out (rather than being at test stage) it will be available to all ISPs from BT Wholesale.
Good grief, they've decided to upgrade the Wrexham north exchange before the main exchange. North has 10,000 people on it and the main one which I'm on has over 50,000 on it. What happened to them doing things in a cost effective manner? ARGH!
Doing the exchange is one thing. Doing all the cabinets is another! It might be that the 10,000 connect though to fewer cabinets or it is easier for them to get the new cabinets in place.
Depends how many businesses are served by the exchange as typically businesses want it first and will pay for enhanced care on the circuit.
I suspect that BT use investment criteria devised by accountants, and certainly can't take individual desperation into account. So if ducting is in poor condition, and locational, planning and electricity supply issues all affect costs; and I suspect if the upload in speeds isn't sufficiently high then that affects BT's calculation of the likely take up to assess their ROI. I know from experience that if you affect other underground infrastructure (and many urban areas are heavily congested underground) costs can escalate enormously. You can mock it all you like but it's the way the private sector (and indeed much of the public sector) plans, and until anyone comes up with something better . . .
So I ended up with FTTC in a village 'cause it wasn't too expensive to duct from the modern suburban exchange, we have street lighting which means that 'leccy was easily available, wiith wide verges; and equally importantly the calculated speed improvement in the area was over 8x. The fact that not many people wanted it didn't matter! I'm not sure that business presence can't cut both ways: it wouldn't be financially advantageous for BT to loose lucrative private leased lines to FTTC, so I suspect business areas are disregarded.
But a small startup is unlikely to need a leased line initially.
Quote from: Lance on Jan 05, 2012, 00:00:04
Doing the exchange is one thing. Doing all the cabinets is another! It might be that the 10,000 connect though to fewer cabinets or it is easier for them to get the new cabinets in place.
Seems odd to me as all the businesses are on my exchange (apart from Den :p)
how can you tell the difference with the new cabinets.Ive seen some new ones popping up near me with pitched tops and single doors,shiny green.when reading about cabinets you see different info...big,double doored/some smaller single doors etc.will there be any actual sinage on them to identify what they are.
the link in Griffs post says my exchange is dated for June this year
Quote from: Baz on Feb 10, 2012, 17:05:49
how can you tell the difference with the new cabinets.Ive seen some new ones popping up near me with pitched tops and single doors,shiny green.when reading about cabinets you see different info...big,double doored/some smaller single doors etc.will there be any actual sinage on them to identify what they are.
the link in Griffs post says my exchange is dated for June this year
There's a good guide on street cabs here Baz - http://www.robertos.me.uk/html/street_cabinets_etc.html
The FTTC cabinet apart from being new and shiny tend to have ventilation slots as well.
My exchange shows "Live" both here and on SK but on IDnet shows March 2012 ???
If you've looked below and it states FTTC is available, you can if you wish request an install from IDNet
https://www.btwholesale.com/pages/static/Community/Broadband_Community/Coverage/ADSL_Availibility_Checker.html#
There's a new pdf to add to the list (if an admin would be so kind) - http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/super-fastfibreaccess/downloads/sffa_exchange_lists/new_housing_developments.pdf
FTTP enabled new homes! Great for everyone who happens to live in the south/south-east. The rest of the county seems to be largely ignored.
I'm confused with this. I checked the BT infinity site a couple of days ago and it said my exchange was due to go live with fttc on 31 March 2012. Checked again today and it now says 30 June 2012. BT openreach map says 'accepting orders'. Samknows says fttc available in some areas. Anyone know if i can get fttc broadband or not? My postcode is RG2 9ED.
Give support a call, they should be able to tell you if its available.
Quote from: cn1001 on Mar 21, 2012, 10:38:06
I'm confused with this. I checked the BT infinity site a couple of days ago and it said my exchange was due to go live with fttc on 31 March 2012. Checked again today and it now says 30 June 2012. BT openreach map says 'accepting orders'. Samknows says fttc available in some areas. Anyone know if i can get fttc broadband or not? My postcode is RG2 9ED.
Google maps shows you live on an unbuilt street if you look at the satellite images :D
Quote from: Niall on Mar 21, 2012, 14:37:44
Google maps shows you live on an unbuilt street if you look at the satellite images :D
Ha ha, don't think Google maps has been updated since 2006 then!!! Streeview shows my house though!!!
My exchange in Bournemouth ie Southbourne is now live. In Griff's pdf it now states FTTC/P after originally being just FTTP
Wholesale checker tells me I can get FTTC, but I'd prefer FTTP
So what can I get, can I get FTTP? Or is FTTP just for folk close to the exchange?
You'll have to ask your ISP
Quote from: Glenn on Apr 03, 2012, 07:50:15
You'll have to ask your ISP
I have, he said FTTC, unfortunately for various reasons I'm not too keen on that idea
FTTP is only currently available where FTTC is not. And only for those lines that are not served by a Cabinet i.e. those that are very close to the Exchange.
Quote from: Simon_idnet on Apr 03, 2012, 16:09:19
FTTP is only currently available where FTTC is not. And only for those lines that are not served by a Cabinet i.e. those that are very close to the Exchange.
That clarifies things a bit Simon, thanks. Looks like it's got to be FTTC or stay on ADSL for me then
98 more exchanges on the list http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5301-openreach-announces-further-98-exchanges-for-its-full-and-partial-fibre-roll-out.html
Quote from: Glenn on Jun 26, 2012, 11:49:40
98 more exchanges on the list http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5301-openreach-announces-further-98-exchanges-for-its-full-and-partial-fibre-roll-out.html
Finally!!! My exchange is on the list. :D :D :D :D
Edit: smiley markup
The exchange Den is on has changed to September now, and is showing mine as still being December, which probably means I'll be done in Feb/March, if that delay/change is anything to go by, plus I was originally listed as June :(
Mine has had two delays to date so not holding my breath for the next one Im past caring now to be honest it will happen when it happens but dont rely on the dates on the list
Just curious but the IDNET website doesn't show any offering for superfast broadband in my area (Alloa) yet BT are offering it. Just a bug on the IDNET site or is there a lag time between BT offering it and other companies?
If it's available for BT it's available with IDNet
There's a lot of that going on. A lad in work just got it with sky (and is having loads of problems with them not knowing the first thing about anything, and fobbing him off with 17mb and their "algorithms they use to improve linen quality" when he's literally feet from the cabinet) and a woman on my section that lives maybe 50 yards away did a check on her ISP and they said it's not available until march :D
Really not sure what's going on, but it seems some ISPs are maybe not getting a full list of activated exchanges.
Moving soon, but it will be on the same exchange as I'm on now 40/10. The area I'm moving to hasn't got fibre enabled yet, is there any way to check if it's due guys?
Quote from: FritzBox on Jan 20, 2014, 17:36:15
Moving soon, but it will be on the same exchange as I'm on now 40/10. The area I'm moving to hasn't got fibre enabled yet, is there any way to check if it's due guys?
If its in the same exchange area and has no cab, but the rest do its hard to say, you can put your name new phone number in here https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/main.html or try here http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/where-and-when/
Speed may not be 40/10 that's down to distance from cab it could 80/20 (76/19) I imagine though that your area may have had the commercially viable cabs already put in, or the area you are moving to is simply to far out for a fibre cab to be put in because even fibre has a point where its no faster than adsl if the main cab its running from is to far away from the exchange. If its just that BT dont think its worthwhile financially you may get one via the BDUK scheme, although when I could not tell you as I don't know how the scheme runs but details are here. https://www.gov.uk/broadband-delivery-uk
Quote from: Gary on Jan 20, 2014, 18:57:26... even fibre has a point where its no faster than adsl if the main cab its running from is to far away from the exchange.
Ermmm... no, not really. The attenuation of fibre optic cables is only around 0.2dB/km. It's purely the length of copper between the customer and the cab that matters, distance to the exchange doesn't.
edit- Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_fiber#Advantages_of_Optical_Fiber_over_Conventional_Copper_System)
Quote from: Bill on Jan 21, 2014, 07:00:58
Ermmm... no, not really. The attenuation of fibre optic cables is only around 0.2dB/km. It's purely the length of copper between the customer and the cab that matters, distance to the exchange doesn't.
edit- Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_fiber#Advantages_of_Optical_Fiber_over_Conventional_Copper_System)
Thats kind of what I was getting at but explained really badly. If a customers homes is over a certain distance from the pcp, speed improvident would not be worth it over adsl hence BTOr would probably not bother upgrading that cab. I just worded that really badly and used the cab distance from the exchange rather than the distance from the pcp to the homes. Thanks for pointing my mistake and stupid description. Where we live there is one cab about 4 miles (by road the phone cables are more direct I would imagine) from the exchange serving a group of houses, and BT wont lay fibre all that way it seems, there is no current plans to put a fibre cab there, I guess because the outlay vs possible revenue is just not worth it.
I thought that was probably what you meant, but thought it worth mentioning.
Actually I was a bit surprised when I looked it up- I thought they'd got the attenuation well below 0.2dB/km by now, but maybe that's just in the lab and not practicable for real-life fibres.
And when I worked out the numbers it means that of the light put into a 1km fibre, 99.5% of it comes out the other end- which isn't bad going ;D
Quote from: Bill on Jan 21, 2014, 08:33:27
I thought that was probably what you meant, but thought it worth mentioning.
Actually I was a bit surprised when I looked it up- I thought they'd got the attenuation well below 0.2dB/km by now, but maybe that's just in the lab and not practicable for real-life fibres.
And when I worked out the numbers it means that of the light put into a 1km fibre, 99.5% of it comes out the other end- which isn't bad going ;D
Not bad going at all and thanks for pointing it out. Shame my Christmas tree fibre optic lights don't know that percentage ;D
Thanks Gary, some useful info there. Don't have a phone number as yet so can only go on the post code
Update. Confused. SamKnows Postcode Checker tells me fibre is enabled there, BT's postcode checker says it's not, but then BT's checker tells me I haven't got fibre here either :laugh:
Found this one which tells me I can get fibre at new address
http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/pls/adsl/ADSLChecker.AddressOutput