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Technical News & Discussion => Networking & Routers => 2-Wire 2700 => Topic started by: kinmel on Mar 14, 2011, 20:50:38

Title: Negative SNR !!!!!
Post by: kinmel on Mar 14, 2011, 20:50:38

It is not often that you get a negative SNR and maintain the sync, but mine has been dipping below zero and just climbing back up above for a while all day long.  :thumb:

On Adsl2+ it has a nominal 3dB margin and has been hanging in there since Christmas.

(http://www.clwydpark.co.uk/snr.jpg)
Title: Re: Negative SNR !!!!!
Post by: Lance on Mar 14, 2011, 21:38:35
The modem must be working right at its limits to maintain the sync.
Title: Re: Negative SNR !!!!!
Post by: Polchraine on Mar 14, 2011, 23:50:32

The lowest mine ever went to was -0.7 ... it would often sit down at -0.1 or -0.2 for quite long periods (tens of minutes).

It does show how good the front end of the 2700 actually is.

Title: Re: Negative SNR !!!!!
Post by: Rik on Mar 15, 2011, 09:08:27
It's why we love them. :)
Title: Re: Negative SNR !!!!!
Post by: esh on Mar 15, 2011, 11:30:23
If I'm thinking correctly, -0.7dB would mean the noise is actually more significant than the signal by a factor of ~1.2. Something like that anyway.
Title: Re: Negative SNR !!!!!
Post by: Polchraine on Mar 15, 2011, 11:45:28
Quote from: esh on Mar 15, 2011, 11:30:23
If I'm thinking correctly, -0.7dB would mean the noise is actually more significant than the signal by a factor of ~1.2. Something like that anyway.

Yes - but remember that the noise is measured and averaged across the band as is the power of the signal.   There could be a very noisy part of the spectrum which creates that effect - but it still shows how well the 2700 copes with high noise levels.

There are comms systems where the signal can be 10 or 20 dB below the noise floor - but by careful use of multiple antennas and electronic beam steering (introducing nano delays) it is possible to bring the signal up above the noise.