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Title: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 09, 2011, 11:27:06
My connection has been turning to sludge again lately (well it has been stable for a couple of months now so it's due to do a fubar), web pages can take forever to open... if at all. I'm off work so thought I'd check out some playstation - which would be nice if only it could stay connected for more than a few minutes at a time.

So I thought I'd see what my thinkbroadband monitor had to say about it. :eek4:

(http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-thumb/a842bceef1e64fcd8335d213dc627c99-09-02-2011.png) (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/a842bceef1e64fcd8335d213dc627c99-09-02-2011.html)

What does this signify?

My exchange is Aberdeen Balgownie NSBLG and my BT 2700 HGV is always connected directly to my master socket.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Rik on Feb 09, 2011, 11:32:36
It looks like exchange congestion, but do you have any background downloads running after midnight?
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: esh on Feb 09, 2011, 11:35:46
Holy cow, that's not a status monitor graph, it belongs in the Tate Modern, stat!
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: DorsetBoy on Feb 09, 2011, 11:38:11
Quote from: esh on Feb 09, 2011, 11:35:46
Holy cow, that's not a status monitor graph, it belongs in the Tate Modern, stat!

I was about to say just that, A Picasso has just sold for several million, frame that and you'll be rich for life .

Looking again, those high average pings are what I used to get here evry now and again,BT always swore there was no issue but the truth was the duct had collapsed in the pavement,was full of water and had knackered the cables.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Lance on Feb 09, 2011, 11:41:56
That signifies that your ping is massive, almost as if the line is being satuated from constant downloading and uploading. Might be worth checking the router to make sure there are no unknown devices connected via wireless.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 09, 2011, 11:44:08
Hi Rik.
Yes I did try to d/l something but I quit it as it was going to take days to come in.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: DorsetBoy on Feb 09, 2011, 11:45:38
Your minimum ping is quite high too, have you tried rebooting the router?
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Rik on Feb 09, 2011, 11:47:25
Are you on a wired or wireless connection, Rich? I think it would be worth re-booting the router, as Dorset suggests, to see if that clears anything.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 09, 2011, 11:50:07
Quote from: Lance on Feb 09, 2011, 11:41:56
That signifies that your ping is massive, almost as if the line is being satuated from constant downloading and uploading. Might be worth checking the router to make sure there are no unknown devices connected via wireless.
As far as my limited ability can ascertain I have 5 devices connected - 2 PC's, 2 phones (me and the Mrs) and an undefined device which I presume is the playstation.
My ping is always around 40.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: DorsetBoy on Feb 09, 2011, 11:51:05
I think there is a lot of noise there but also Lance could well be right, that looks like constant high level traffic.

Look at my graphs on LLU first is during the week, second is when my lad is home and 2 machines are running, he is always streaming video and dowloading.

(http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-thumb/7dd4f3a8690c6befc05e996dd28d684f-09-02-2011.png) (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/7dd4f3a8690c6befc05e996dd28d684f-09-02-2011.html)



(http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-thumb/e4845a12e764142a63c92cf24922e9f3-06-02-2011.png) (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/e4845a12e764142a63c92cf24922e9f3-06-02-2011.html)
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 09, 2011, 11:59:26
Quote from: DorsetBoy on Feb 09, 2011, 11:45:38
Your minimum ping is quite high too, have you tried rebooting the router?
Everything has turned to stone again (gave up trying to reply to an earlier post).
I'll give a reboot a try. See you guys at the other end.... hopefully. ;D
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Rik on Feb 09, 2011, 12:03:03
If we're not here, it's catching. ;D
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 09, 2011, 12:05:49
Quote from: DorsetBoy on Feb 09, 2011, 11:51:05...(http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-thumb/e4845a12e764142a63c92cf24922e9f3-06-02-2011.png) (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/e4845a12e764142a63c92cf24922e9f3-06-02-2011.html)
I can but dream of stats like these.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Bill on Feb 09, 2011, 12:05:55
Quote from: ou7shined on Feb 09, 2011, 11:27:06
My exchange is Aberdeen Balgownie NSBLG and my BT 2700 HGV is always connected directly to my master socket.

How long has this been going on for?

BT have had a 21CN incident report open since the 5th Feb for Glasgow, could be affecting you?

First:

http://www.idnet.net/secure/portal/rsstextbt.jsp?messageid=%3CI2KC06-UKBRFZLvGVNv0001341f%40i2kc06-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net%3E

Latest:

http://www.idnet.net/secure/portal/rsstextbt.jsp?messageid=%3CI2KC08-UKBRFsTmIClm0004039b%40i2kc08-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net%3E
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 09, 2011, 12:10:20
Quote from: Rik on Feb 09, 2011, 12:03:03
If we're not here, it's catching. ;D
Ooh don't say that. ;D
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 09, 2011, 12:13:08
Quote from: Bill on Feb 09, 2011, 12:05:55
How long has this been going on for?

BT have had a 21CN incident report open since the 5th Feb for Glasgow, could be affecting you?

First:

http://www.idnet.net/secure/portal/rsstextbt.jsp?messageid=%3CI2KC06-UKBRFZLvGVNv0001341f%40i2kc06-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net%3E

Latest:

http://www.idnet.net/secure/portal/rsstextbt.jsp?messageid=%3CI2KC08-UKBRFsTmIClm0004039b%40i2kc08-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net%3E

Yep, the 5th sounds about right.
But I'm east coast and G/gow is west coast. Would that matter?
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Rik on Feb 09, 2011, 12:14:55
Rich

Your ping is all over the place from here, so I asked support to take a look. They are seeing the same. During the offpeak hours, though, your were downloading 3.4GB, so your 4.5M profile was pretty much maxed out. In those circumstances the ping times mean nothing. If you don't think you're using that bandwidth, you need to check your router security.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Rik on Feb 09, 2011, 12:15:35
You should be fed through Edinburgh, but BT does some odd things with routing.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Bill on Feb 09, 2011, 12:41:33
Quote from: Rik on Feb 09, 2011, 12:15:35
but BT does some odd things with routing.

You're not kidding- they're still messing about with mine. BQM goes from dead flat to something 'orrible in a matter of minutes :mad:
Though it's nowhere near as bad as Rich's, that's truly a nightmare :eek4:
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: DorsetBoy on Feb 09, 2011, 12:47:47
I was getting pings go from 13ms up to 1400+ms here on and off for months , BT ............ nothing wrong. :slap:
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Bill on Feb 09, 2011, 13:05:07
Mine's never been that bad, in fact most people would probably be quite happy with it even on its worst days.

It's just that up to less than a month ago it was excellent, then something changed >:(
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Technical Ben on Feb 09, 2011, 13:44:27
Perhaps setting up some QOS (Quality of service) options for the PCs/PS3 connected to the router would help? Then if the children, wife, or any other family member decides to watch Dr Who in HD over BBC Iplayer, your connection will not nose dive. This usually happens because a download will attempt to max out your connection, delivering the file or video in the quickest time. This prevents you from getting out ping requests, website requests or PS3/PC gaming. It can sometimes work when your on one pc. But with multiple computers connected, they tend to compete against each other, rather than work together. :(

Not sure how you would set it up though, as I have never used it. But giving the PS3 maximum priority would help, as it's not likely to max out the download (unless patching or watching video) but will need it's info quicker than those using a pc to browse webpages.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Lance on Feb 09, 2011, 13:46:00
Quote from: Rik on Feb 09, 2011, 12:14:55
Rich

Your ping is all over the place from here, so I asked support to take a look. They are seeing the same. During the offpeak hours, though, your were downloading 3.4GB, so your 4.5M profile was pretty much maxed out. In those circumstances the ping times mean nothing. If you don't think you're using that bandwidth, you need to check your router security.

Maxing out the connection then as I suspected. Just need to work out what device is doing it!
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Rik on Feb 09, 2011, 15:31:08
We do indeed, Lance.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 09, 2011, 20:03:11
Well I switched it off for a while. It doesn't feel any different.

This is with only slight activity (web surfing) from my pc only, everything else off.

(http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-thumb/a842bceef1e64fcd8335d213dc627c99-09-02-2011.png)


Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Steve on Feb 09, 2011, 20:09:40
Can you account for that offpeak download 3.5 Gb?
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 09, 2011, 20:10:57
I've put the wrong kind of link to the chart in post #1 - it's showing a dynamic read out. How can I edit it?
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 09, 2011, 20:13:22
Quote from: Steve on Feb 09, 2011, 20:09:40
Can you account for that offpeak download 3.5 Gb?
Yes but I have changed all the router passwords just in case.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Bill on Feb 09, 2011, 20:14:17
Quote from: Steve on Feb 09, 2011, 20:09:40
Can you account for that offpeak download 3.5 Gb?

When I (briefly) used a 2700 istr it had to be dissuaded from downloading updates from BT, any chance it could be connected with that? Got itself in a loop somehow?
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Rik on Feb 10, 2011, 09:23:58
Does the download figure I obtained from support fit with your usage pattern, Rich?
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 11, 2011, 23:43:46
Quote from: Rik on Feb 10, 2011, 09:23:58
Does the download figure I obtained from support fit with your usage pattern, Rich?
If you mean the 3.4gb then I think so but I have no way of confirming it - I started a download but it said it was going to take 2 weeks to come in so I killed it. I guess the ETA must have been way off. :-\

It seemed to stop around midnight last night (with a break earlier in the morning).

Here's yesterday..

(http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-thumb/af83a279402b7c757e89f739d0b5b05c-10-02-2011.png)

and here's today (didn't start using the net until about 6 this evening)...

(http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-thumb/4cdbacf4c7670c461521807b82a6e2b7-11-02-2011.png)

THe green bit is now up to 50 (compared to my usual 40) but my connection feels better now. There sure is a lot of red compared to what I see of other peoples charts.  :(
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Rik on Feb 12, 2011, 10:08:40
What was happening on your LAN during the day?
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 12, 2011, 10:22:54
No one was home, so nothing. My ps3 was on standby/off so I don't know if it chats to the net in that state.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Rik on Feb 12, 2011, 10:27:40
I think you need to talk to support, Rich.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 12, 2011, 11:13:37
Quote from: Rik on Feb 12, 2011, 10:27:40
I think you need to talk to support, Rich.
Right-you-are Rik. :thumb:

What do I say? :red:
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Rik on Feb 12, 2011, 11:20:27
Tell them you're seeing increased latency and packet loss, you can also refer them to this thread.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: ou7shined on Feb 12, 2011, 11:38:03
As usual Rik, thanks. :thumb:
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: Rik on Feb 12, 2011, 11:39:31
NP. :)