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Title: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Simon on Nov 10, 2010, 16:42:39
I've just noticed my iPhone is saying it's 2:35 in the morning, on Sunday 14th November!  Is anyone else on O2, and having the wrong time showing when time setting is set to Auto?
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Rik on Nov 10, 2010, 16:48:36
Maybe it's in a rush to get to the Cenotaph
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Post by: pctech on Nov 10, 2010, 17:00:03
Isn't there some sort of issue with certain versions of the firmware.

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Post by: Lance on Nov 10, 2010, 17:09:42
I had a problem too this morning. My alarm was set for 6:15am but Nicky woke me when hers went off at 7:15.  When I looked at my phone, it also said Sunday 14th, 8:03am.

Needless to say, I've now taken the time off set automatically. Must be something O2 have done to their time server.

I think the known problems in the firmware was to do with the clocks changing but recurring alarms not changing so people were being woken an hour late.
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Rik on Nov 10, 2010, 17:10:56
Just like Sky boxes used to do.
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Simon on Nov 10, 2010, 17:11:45
Quote from: Lance on Nov 10, 2010, 17:09:42
I had a problem too this morning. My alarm was set for 6:15am but Nicky woke me when hers went off at 7:15.  When I looked at my phone, it also said Sunday 14th, 8:03am.

Needless to say, I've now taken the time off set automatically. Must be something O2 have done to their time server.

Thanks Lance, at least I know it's not just mine.  It's buggered up all my tasks too, which are now all marked as late.   :mad:

QuoteI think the known problems in the firmware was to do with the clocks changing but recurring alarms not changing so people were being woken an hour late.

Indeed, but that didn't affect me.
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Post by: pctech on Nov 10, 2010, 17:13:22
Didn't know O2 opertated an NTP server for use of mobile terminals.
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Post by: Rik on Nov 10, 2010, 17:14:10
I think Vodafone have a time server too, don't they?
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Post by: pctech on Nov 10, 2010, 17:15:14
Pass, probably to sequence the network but didn't think it was accessible client side.

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Post by: Rik on Nov 10, 2010, 17:24:34
I'm sure I have a Vodafone PAYG backup phone which self sets. I shall have to test. :)
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Post by: Glenn on Nov 10, 2010, 17:41:23
It's a known bug in the firmware, http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2486752&start=0&tstart=0
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: pctech on Nov 10, 2010, 17:42:32
Nope you are you setting it wrong

Apple Live Different  ;D
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Simon on Nov 10, 2010, 17:44:27
It's not the alarm that's the problem, Glenn.  The time and date is totally wrong, but only when set to Auto.  :dunno:
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Lance on Nov 10, 2010, 17:44:53
Quote from: pctech on Nov 10, 2010, 17:13:22
Didn't know O2 opertated an NTP server for use of mobile terminals.

Don't know if its NTP. Something I like on my work HTC phone is that when I go abroad it automatically sets the time to the right timezone.
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Post by: pctech on Nov 10, 2010, 17:48:01
I have endeavoured to study the standards for GSM and W-CDMA but everything is described in so much detail I suspect I'd be too old to care by the time I'd finished.

Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Rik on Nov 10, 2010, 17:50:09
I already am. ;)
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Post by: pctech on Nov 10, 2010, 17:51:33
 ;D
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: zappaDPJ on Nov 10, 2010, 17:52:13
This actually quite a serious bug and might well explain why my daughter who lives by her iPhone is been running late for things this week.

More here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8101945/Apple-iPhone-4-alarm-clock-bug-makes-scores-late-for-work.html
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Post by: Steve on Nov 10, 2010, 17:52:40
Bit late on this one my iPhone 3 gs 4.01 is at the correct time set on auto , whether is was wrong earlier I've no idea. I always let previous phones on 02 pick up the network time automatically.
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Rik on Nov 10, 2010, 17:54:43
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Nov 10, 2010, 17:52:13
This actually quite a serious bug and might well explain why my daughter who lives by her iPhone is been running late for things this week.

More here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8101945/Apple-iPhone-4-alarm-clock-bug-makes-scores-late-for-work.html

Very careless programming, even Microsoft manages to get the clock changes right.
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Post by: pctech on Nov 10, 2010, 17:57:28
Bit of a weak excuse for being late isn't it?

Oh yeah sorry boss I'm late because my mobile time was wrong.

I use my TV with a manually set clock plus a radio to make sure I get up.

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Post by: Glenn on Nov 10, 2010, 17:58:48
I use one of these strange devices, I believe they are called alarm clocks.  :whistle:
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Post by: Simon on Nov 10, 2010, 17:58:56
Seems to be a problem with 4.1, but I don't know why it's only manifested today.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2592937

Bloody thing!  First it won't make phone calls, now it can't tell the time!   :mad:
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Rik on Nov 10, 2010, 18:00:08
That's the curious thing, isn't it. The clocks changed 10 days ago.
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Simon on Nov 10, 2010, 18:01:12
Indeed, and it's been right since then, till this afternoon.  :dunno:
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Post by: Rik on Nov 10, 2010, 18:05:46
I wonder if it was 255 hours after the change?
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Post by: Simon on Nov 10, 2010, 18:28:49
Sorry, did I miss something?  Why would that be significant?
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Post by: Rik on Nov 10, 2010, 18:36:36
One byte... I'm just wondering if their time change programming could be out by 8 bits or 256 hours. That would possibly produce a change at 10 days and 12 hours after the correct time.
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Post by: pctech on Nov 10, 2010, 18:40:47
That'd be really taking the bit now wouldn't it  :out:
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Post by: Rik on Nov 10, 2010, 18:42:09
Right between the teeth, Mitch.
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Post by: zappaDPJ on Nov 11, 2010, 00:10:31
Quote from: Glenn on Nov 10, 2010, 17:58:48
I use one of these strange devices, I believe they are called alarm clocks.  :whistle:

And so will my daughter, as from tomorrow :)

Quote from: Simon on Nov 10, 2010, 18:01:12
Indeed, and it's been right since then, till this afternoon.  :dunno:

We think it might have lost the hour sometime yesterday, or the day before as it now.
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Simon on Nov 11, 2010, 10:13:43
In my case, it's three days and about ten hours fast, Zap, so I don't think it's the BST bug.  :dunno:
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: pctech on Nov 11, 2010, 10:14:28
Must be the time source then.

Title: Re: iPhone wrong time
Post by: Simon on Nov 11, 2010, 10:21:10
No, it's been documented on the Apple forums, from people in different time zones to me, so unless that's a coincidence, it looks like an iPhone bug. 
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Gary on Nov 11, 2010, 10:25:07
Quote from: Simon on Nov 11, 2010, 10:21:10
No, it's been documented on the Apple forums, from people in different time zones to me, so unless that's a coincidence, it looks like an iPhone bug. 
My alarm was an hour out here, the time is spot on though as thats updated by the carrier. If you turn auto update of time off the problem is mitigated until the release of 4.2 which is due very soon.
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: zappaDPJ on Nov 11, 2010, 10:44:19
Quote from: Simon on Nov 11, 2010, 10:13:43
In my case, it's three days and about ten hours fast, Zap, so I don't think it's the BST bug.  :dunno:

Perhaps it's down to the provider. AFAIK my phone has been correct in that respect, it certainly is now. I think in our case it's just the alarms are off.
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Technical Ben on Nov 11, 2010, 10:57:15
Quote from: Rik on Nov 10, 2010, 18:00:08
That's the curious thing, isn't it. The clocks changed 10 days ago.
I suppose it's programming. These things carry over at the worst of times. Perhaps the repeating alarms on a 7 or 10 day cycle. So it does not break until the cycle is restarted. (I'm thinking 3 days of one week plus 7 of the other. It only broke when a full week passed)
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Post by: pctech on Nov 11, 2010, 10:58:05
Although I'm on O2 I can't check but will ask one of my colleagues later who is also on O2 and has an iThing 4

Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Simon on Nov 11, 2010, 11:05:13
I can't see how it can be the carrier, as other people, not on O2, have had the same issue, and wouldn't it affect all phones on O2?
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Gary on Nov 11, 2010, 11:05:56
Quote from: pctech on Nov 11, 2010, 10:58:05
Although I'm on O2 I can't check but will ask one of my colleagues later who is also on O2 and has an iThing 4


Its repeat alarms like weekly etc oddly ones for the weekends work ok all my daily ones that repeat every day work fine its just the one that wakes me up that was an hour out, so just dialled it back an hour till the fix come out, I have sim free iPhone on O2. The time is fine, no issue at all.
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: pctech on Nov 11, 2010, 11:06:54
I really don't know Simon.

Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Gary on Nov 11, 2010, 11:07:15
Quote from: Simon on Nov 11, 2010, 11:05:13
I can't see how it can be the carrier, as other people, not on O2, have had the same issue, and wouldn't it affect all phones on O2?
Not seen anyone I know with your issue Simon, its just the alarm that's affected them.  :dunno:
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Simon on Nov 11, 2010, 11:56:18
More here:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2642957&start=0&tstart=0
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Post by: Rik on Nov 11, 2010, 11:59:24
Well, that seems firmly to point at hardware not network.
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Post by: Simon on Nov 11, 2010, 12:07:51
That said, I've just tried switching off 3G, and setting the clock to Auto. It's fine. I then switched back to 3G, and at the moment, it's still fine. Can't explain that one! I still don't see how it could have been the carrier, with people on different networks all over the world affected, but I suspect we'll never know.
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Post by: Rik on Nov 11, 2010, 12:17:49
I think it's got to be a phone bug and, depending on how the date and time are coded, it may have triggered at a particular value.
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Post by: Simon on Nov 11, 2010, 12:24:04
I agree, but there still seem to be too many variables for it to be as simple as that. 
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Post by: Rik on Nov 11, 2010, 12:35:42
I wonder if we'll ever know...
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Post by: Technical Ben on Nov 11, 2010, 12:39:44
Quote from: Rik on Nov 10, 2010, 18:05:46
I wonder if it was 255 hours after the change?

Oops. Missed that. Rik to the first post as ever. :P
Title: Re: iPhone wrong time!
Post by: Rik on Nov 11, 2010, 13:14:52
I need them to lean on, Ben. ;)