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Title: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: DorsetBoy on Sep 15, 2010, 19:36:28
For those on Win7 ( don't think it works on any other version ) IE9 beta is out and all I can say is the other browsers are left in the dust.

  >>> http://www.beautyoftheweb.co.uk/ <<<

It is different, need time to find all the features but FAST??  Wow is it fast!
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: Rik on Sep 15, 2010, 19:37:33
Now we just need BT to catch up. ;)
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: pctech on Sep 15, 2010, 19:38:46
Just tried to install on XP and it told me to take a hike.

Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: Rik on Sep 15, 2010, 19:39:52
Wow, that's an unusually eloquent error message. ;)
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: pctech on Sep 15, 2010, 19:40:20
 ;D
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: pctech on Sep 15, 2010, 19:41:37
Just told me to upgrade to a more recent version of Windows.

Dorset is obviously happy, will be interesting to see what Mozilla do next.

Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: DorsetBoy on Sep 15, 2010, 19:42:24
Quote from: Rik on Sep 15, 2010, 19:37:33
Now we just need BT to catch up. ;)

Someone needs to ;D  I just ran through a list of bookmarks, not all on UK servers , everyone loaded before I could get my finger back off the mouse button, there is just no delay at all.
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: kinmel on Sep 15, 2010, 19:43:28
My Win 7 is completely up to date, yet the installer starts with "downloading necessary updates" and has been for the last 4 minutes  :eek4:

and in typical Microsoft fashion the application requires a Windows restart.

Why do only MS applications need that ?
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: Rik on Sep 15, 2010, 19:44:08
It's updating IE9 before installing it. ;)
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: pctech on Sep 15, 2010, 19:46:49
Wasn't it 'patch Tuesday' yesterday? My XP install had to install some updates today.

I suspect it's detected you have installed IE9 and is downloading the applicable OS tweaks.

Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: kinmel on Sep 15, 2010, 19:51:48
Quote from: Rik on Sep 15, 2010, 19:44:08
It's updating IE9 before installing it. ;)

2 Windows updates, 2 Hotfixes and IE9 too show in the Updates list after the re-boot.
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: DorsetBoy on Sep 15, 2010, 19:52:30
Quote from: kinmel on Sep 15, 2010, 19:43:28
My Win 7 is completely up to date, yet the installer starts with "downloading necessary updates" and has been for the last 4 minutes  :eek4:

and in typical Microsoft fashion the application requires a Windows restart.

Why do only MS applications need that ?

There are definitely a good few extra files needed to go with IE9.
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: kinmel on Sep 15, 2010, 19:59:13

Another MS nonsense.

IE 9 Beta has overwritten IE8, whereas every other Beta installs alongside the current stable version.

I selected a Windows7 64 bit install and it has installed both the 64 and 32 bit versions.  Why did I have to select one for install then ?
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: pctech on Sep 15, 2010, 20:04:52
64-bit and 32-bit versions exist on a 64-bit 7 system for plugin and application compatibility as some apps use the HTML Application host which is part of IE to display their content.

Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: DorsetBoy on Sep 15, 2010, 20:11:09
 ::)  Ha, it doesn't remember passwords .........
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: kinmel on Sep 15, 2010, 20:18:17
The desktop shortcut for IE9 opens the 32bit version on a 64bit machine and so was the first version I ran, the first website required Java Runtime which installed without a problem.

Realising I was in 32 bit I closed that IE9 and started IE9 64 bit and went back to the same site.

JRE is required again so I select "install" and it tells me this version of JRE is already installed and must be uninstalled in "Programs" and then re-install it.

I do so and 64 bit works  :thumb:

I go back to 32 bit IE9 and on that site it requires JRE to be removed and re-installed again !

Enough already, but I can't get back to IE8 without doing a Windows Restore.

I will just ignore it.
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: klipp on Sep 15, 2010, 20:41:32
It's scaring me!!  I figured out how to get the status bar back, but there's no progress bar on it!!  Also I'm not enjoying how the favourites window is suddenly over on the right of the main form.  And why is the address textbox and tab control on the same line?
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: DorsetBoy on Sep 16, 2010, 07:10:36
Quote from: kinmel on Sep 15, 2010, 20:18:17

Enough already, but I can't get back to IE8 without doing a Windows Restore.

I will just ignore it.

Not so, it is a "Windows Update " at present, go to your list of installed updates and uninstall.
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: klipp on Sep 16, 2010, 22:41:09
After the initial shock of how sparce IE9 is, toolbar/menu wise, I've actually started to really like it.  The minimalist appearance of IE9 is actually pretty cool once you've got used to it.  My one criticism however is my router's GUI webpage doesn't seem to work on IE9, I'm not sure why.
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: zappaDPJ on Sep 16, 2010, 23:14:01
If anyone finds a way of running IE8 & 9 concurrently I'd really like to know :)
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: DorsetBoy on Sep 17, 2010, 06:14:11
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Sep 16, 2010, 23:14:01
If anyone finds a way of running IE8 & 9 concurrently I'd really like to know :)

Don't think it can be done Zap, IE9 is served as an update right now.
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: pctech on Sep 17, 2010, 08:00:45
I think when MS started building the OS around the browser it made the idea of running two versions of what is the UI core impossible.
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: kinmel on Sep 17, 2010, 11:26:00
Quote from: DorsetBoy on Sep 16, 2010, 07:10:36
Not so, it is a "Windows Update " at present, go to your list of installed updates and uninstall.

You are correct, thanks for that  :thumb:

Strangely un-installing IE9 causes a re-boot and then there is a long wait during the restart while 28,700 updates are installed  :eek4:

(http://a_woodward.www.idnet.com/DSC02785a.JPG)

Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: Rik on Sep 17, 2010, 11:28:34
Ouch!
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: esh on Sep 17, 2010, 11:36:27
Fortunately they are update operations, where each one is either a file, a registry key, or some similar atomic operation. It's not actually several thousand patches thank goodness. You'll see that screen a lot when you get significant MS patches.
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: Rik on Sep 17, 2010, 11:39:07
Thanks for that, esh.  :thumb:
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: kinmel on Sep 17, 2010, 18:04:39
Quote from: esh on Sep 17, 2010, 11:36:27
Fortunately they are update operations, where each one is either a file, a registry key, or some similar atomic operation. It's not actually several thousand patches thank goodness. You'll see that screen a lot when you get significant MS patches.

You can see why MS products are so buggy, when even their web browser needs to make so many O.S. alterations just between versions.

Every change is a chance to clash with every other change
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: DorsetBoy on Sep 17, 2010, 18:36:13
Quote from: kinmel on Sep 17, 2010, 18:04:39
You can see why MS products are so buggy, when even their web browser needs to make so many O.S. alterations just between versions.

Every change is a chance to clash with every other change

Hmm, IE9 is a whole new system,it is different because it is integrated into the OS and utilises all your machines capabilities to deliver features in a way that other browsers cannot,when you roll back the changes are little more than any major software package you may install, the difference is that the uninstaller does not tell you what it is doing. Also since Vista the original OS files are stored on your HD not on the CD/DVD so changes /roll backs are done from within the OS.

Win7 is anything but buggy, it is extremely stable.
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: pctech on Sep 17, 2010, 18:50:32
Hmmm I wonder if they are doing some pre-processing using those huge server farms they've built.

Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: zappaDPJ on Sep 17, 2010, 21:05:25
Reading around the net it's clear that IE9 is going to suffer from the Norton syndrome. There's a quite a large layer of clued up people who at some point have made the right choices but have failed to continually review those choices. The result for Norton is that their current products have gained an abysmal reputation even though they actually provide the best paid for anti-virus solution on the market. Go post that in a tech savvy forum and you'll be flamed, given infractions and most likely banned :laugh:

I think IE9 is going to suffer the same fate. Microsoft's past mistakes will ensure that no matter how good IE9 is, it's not going to be particular popular with people who have made informed choices in the past.
Title: Re: IE9 Beta is out...
Post by: Den on Sep 17, 2010, 21:57:28
I will stay with IE8 on my main computer for now as it is too important for my business use but I have installed IE9 on my laptop and love it. Just as soon as they launch the finished version I will be swopping over but then again I like IE and prefer it to all the other browsers.  ;D