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Title: File encryption
Post by: Broadback on Jun 07, 2010, 17:22:50
Up to now I have used a free program (Encrypt files) finding it straightforward and easy to use. Sadly it does not seem to work with Windows 7. I have had a Google, all the other free programs out there seem very complicated and convolute. Any suggestions and ideas please? TIA
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Rik on Jun 07, 2010, 17:58:16
How do you use your encrypted files, BB, ie do you decrypt and re-encrypt or do you just encrypt 'dead' files?
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: drummer on Jun 07, 2010, 18:13:49
Cryptainer LE is listed as Win7 compatible.

http://www.cypherix.com/cryptainerle
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Broadback on Jun 07, 2010, 18:28:58
Quote from: Rik on Jun 07, 2010, 17:58:16
How do you use your encrypted files, BB, ie do you decrypt and re-encrypt or do you just encrypt 'dead' files?
Not sue what you mean by Dead files, I simply encrypt the file, then when I need to use it decrypt it, recrypting again when finished.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: pctech on Jun 07, 2010, 18:30:32
He means files you don't use regularly BB.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Rik on Jun 07, 2010, 18:32:17
I do indeed. I'm just wondering whether TrueCrypt (http://www.truecrypt.org/) might meet your needs, BB.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Steve on Jun 07, 2010, 18:34:24
I agree Rik, TrueCrpyt looks useful
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Broadback on Jun 07, 2010, 18:34:52
I only use it for one file, that contains all my passwords, I know the theory that you should not write them down, but that is not practicable for my little brain. These days I have to look at my passport at time to remember my name! Now where did I put my passport?
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Broadback on Jun 07, 2010, 18:35:49
I find Truecript unnecessarily complex.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Rik on Jun 07, 2010, 18:38:13
That's why I was asking what you were looking to do, exactly. You could try Top Secret. (http://www.clicklite.com/)
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Steve on Jun 07, 2010, 18:39:15
Or zip it with a password,but then you'll need to remember the password. >:D
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Technical Ben on Jun 07, 2010, 18:58:07
Simple solution. Print off the list, and put it in a locked money box or till box. Keep the key on yourself at all times. Or you can use one of the Firefox add-ons that automatically gives you high security passwords, and encrypts the saved files for you...  There are a few, but I don't use any so don;t know what to recommend.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: john on Jun 07, 2010, 22:37:47
I use 'gvim  (http://www.vim.org/)' to edit text files which is similar to the UNIX 'vi' editor. You can encypt files simply by using the :X command and it will prompt you to enter and confirm a key. Once the file has been saved then opening it again you will be prompted for the key. If you enter an incorrrect key then the file is unreadable.

i.e. if the contents of the file are 'abcd efg hij klm nop qrst uvw xyz' then entering a wrong key produces something like '"~Ñä™Lkº0O¬‰?"(¤¸WGUäêɲ%XÏs½´!—Ö'.


Unfortunately it does mean you have to know how to use at least the basics of the gvim editor though.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: JB on Jun 08, 2010, 16:46:59
Quote from: Broadback on Jun 07, 2010, 18:35:49
I find Truecript unnecessarily complex.
Sorry to hear that. I run Truecrypt (standalone) from a USB stick. I find it great.

If you are just saving one file, why not just ZIP it up and password protect the ZIP file? I do that with my main password file that I take between UK and Spain. Only proviso is to beware of the temporary file that some ZIP programs generate when you are viewing your original file.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Rik on Jun 08, 2010, 16:55:54
What's the weather like over there atm, JB?
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: JB on Jun 08, 2010, 20:44:39
I don't think you would like it Rik. Sitting out on the balcony with the NC10 and it's still 26C at 2138 local.

Cut the hedge today. All round the property, took all day.

Just relaxing with a post dinner drink. Maybe rain at the end of the week - but warm.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Rik on Jun 09, 2010, 05:16:07
We have the rain and the cool. TBH, that suits me, but I'll bet there's a few here envying you, JB. (Plus others wondering what I'm talking about. ;))
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: esh on Jun 13, 2010, 15:01:13
How hard an encryption are you looking for? If you want something crude and simple then an xor key can be done very very quickly without much effort. Otherwise TrueCrypt is what you want -- if you are actually serious about encryption. I tend to use this on any private/science data when I cross country borders (which is fairly often). If you perform a two level encryption method and then some classic obfuscation it will take a lot of effort to find, let alone crack.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: MisterW on Jun 13, 2010, 15:19:14
QuoteI only use it for one file, that contains all my passwords,
have you looked at Keepass http://keepass.info/ .  The encrypted file is compatible between versions running on Windows, Linux, OSx and even SmartPhones. You can even have a portable version on a USB stick, Windows only.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: nowster on Jun 13, 2010, 18:32:00
One thing to note is that the encryption on ZIP files was cracked years ago.

Don't forget GnuPG (a PGP clone). You can use it in "symmetric" (ie. single password, not public key) mode.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: JB on Jun 13, 2010, 21:17:44
Quote from: nowster on Jun 13, 2010, 18:32:00
One thing to note is that the encryption on ZIP files was cracked years ago.
Be grateful if you can point me to a URL that covers this without using a 'bruteforce' or 'wordlist' approach.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: nowster on Jun 14, 2010, 12:30:54
Quote from: 6jb on Jun 13, 2010, 21:17:44
Be grateful if you can point me to a URL that covers this without using a 'bruteforce' or 'wordlist' approach.
A brute force attack on the original ZIP encryption algorithm is doable on modern processors in at most an hour. (It took about a day on 33MHz CPUs.)

Having looked into it more deeply, later versions of some ZIP programs can use more secure encryption algorithms (eg. AES). Even so, this might not be their default behaviour.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Ray on Jun 14, 2010, 12:54:24
I use Stuffit deluxe to produce encrypted archives, that currently uses 512-bit RC4 encryption, don't know how secure that is though.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: esh on Jun 14, 2010, 16:38:21
RC4 is a stream cypher (as opposed to a block level cypher) so I believe it has been analysed for weaknesses. 512 bit obviously helps a lot against random bruteforce attacks. I would think AES would top it in every respect, as would RC5, but then I imagine it is vastly better than 3DES, though that isn't really hard.

Good enough if you're avoiding random prodding at least :)
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Broadback on Jun 14, 2010, 17:08:58
Quote from: MisterW on Jun 13, 2010, 15:19:14
have you looked at Keepass http://keepass.info/ .  The encrypted file is compatible between versions running on Windows, Linux, OSx and even SmartPhones. You can even have a portable version on a USB stick, Windows only.
Thanks for that, I am now using Keepass, not as comfortable with it, but it does what I want, am sure that with usage it will become excellent.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Simon on Jun 14, 2010, 17:14:27
Is is 'Kee Pass', or 'Keep Ass'?  ;D
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Rik on Jun 14, 2010, 17:19:12
It depends. ;D
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Simon on Jun 14, 2010, 17:26:25
 :laugh:
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: MisterW on Jun 14, 2010, 18:29:30
QuoteI am now using Keepass, not as comfortable with it
In what way are you not comfortable with it ?. I've used it for a while now, I keep my main file on a USB key with the portable version of the exe, and a backup on my Linux desktop. Means I can access userid/passwords etc from my Linux desktop/netbook at home. I can also access them from the office Windows ( yuk! ) machine from the USB key without having to install any software.
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Broadback on Jun 14, 2010, 18:38:51
Sorry, not a good choice of words. What I meant is that I am not yet familiar with it. I have saved and encrypted my banking detail, now I need to check, as and when I need tham, that it works as I think. :fingers:
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Rik on Jun 14, 2010, 18:41:17
And that you've remembered the password. ;)
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: MisterW on Jun 14, 2010, 20:21:29
At least its only one password ( or passphrase ) to remember as we hurtle towards senility.
Some of us can even remember which forum we're in, Rik ;D
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Broadback on Jun 15, 2010, 07:39:56
Quote from: MisterW on Jun 14, 2010, 20:21:29
At least its only one password ( or passphrase ) to remember as we hurtle towards senility.
Some of us can even remember which forum we're in, Rik ;D
We have never met, but you know me so well!
Title: Re: File encryption
Post by: Rik on Jun 15, 2010, 09:31:45
Quote from: MisterW on Jun 14, 2010, 20:21:29
At least its only one password ( or passphrase ) to remember as we hurtle towards senility.
Some of us can even remember which forum we're in, Rik ;D

I can't help it, I confuse easily. ;D