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Title: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: qweezy on Apr 11, 2010, 10:17:39
Hey guys,

Hope I'm not speaking too soon, but I'm coming up to that 'magic' 14 days and wondering if I can expect a 3db drop with these stats.

Too many errors?

Cheers.

Collected for 12Days9:06:46

Since   Current   Current   Time Since
Reset   24-hr int.   15-min int.   Last Event
ATM

Last Event
Cell Header Errors   671   10   0   0:07:56
Loss of cell Delineation   378   6   0   2:01:10

DSL
Link Retrains:   0   0   0   0:00:00
DSL Training Errors:   0   0   0   0:00:00
Training Timeouts:   0   0   0   0:00:00
Loss of Framing Failures:   0   0   0   0:00:00
Loss of Signal Failures:   0   0   0   0:00:00
Loss of Power Failures:   0   0   0   0:00:00
Loss of Margin Failures:   0   0   0   0:00:00
Cum. Seconds w/Errors:   283   6   0   0:07:56
Cum. Sec. w/Severe Errors:   1   0   0   7Days20:19:16
Corrected Blocks:   40246   347   4   0:03:06
Uncorrectable Blocks:   702   14   0   0:07:56
DSL Unavailable Seconds:   0   0   0   0:00:00
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 10:18:47
They don't look too bad to me, qweezy, but BT are a law unto themselves.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: qweezy on Apr 11, 2010, 10:47:15
Thanks.

Will have to see what happens if I get to the 14!

Im pretty happy though as I think this is longest I have held sync for years.

Top notch advice on getting the 2700 ;).
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 10:55:27
Hang on till at least day 15, qweezy, as BT also count differently to the rest of the world. ;) The 2700s seem to have been a boon to so many of us, it's a shame they're not sold 'officially' in the UK.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: qweezy on Apr 11, 2010, 11:59:09
Okay thanks.

I'll post back in a few days to report any changes!

Fingers crossed :).
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 12:03:51
 :fingers:

Plus toes, legs and eyes. ;D
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Gary on Apr 11, 2010, 15:48:42
Quote from: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 10:55:27
Hang on till at least day 15, qweezy, as BT also count differently to the rest of the world. ;) The 2700s seem to have been a boon to so many of us, it's a shame they're not sold 'officially' in the UK.
I saw the 2700's for sale on Dabs once a year or so back.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 15:49:58
Aren't Dabs owned by BT?
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Inkblot on Apr 11, 2010, 15:52:33
They are nowdays, used to be independant but BT brought them a few years back
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 15:53:16
That could explain them having stocks of the 2700 to sell...
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Gary on Apr 11, 2010, 15:54:48
Quote from: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 15:53:16
That could explain them having stocks of the 2700 to sell...
They are classified as discontinued now  :dunno: but they have them on Amazon, new http://www.amazon.co.uk/BT-Business-Hub/dp/B001F4XS68/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1270997691&sr=8-1 thats loads of cash for one. But they have some for £15 new
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 15:55:29
Disaster!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Gary on Apr 11, 2010, 15:58:05
Quote from: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 15:55:29
Disaster!!!! ;D
£19 new  ::)
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 15:58:36
eBay?
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Gary on Apr 11, 2010, 16:01:16
Quote from: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 15:58:36
eBay?
Amazon http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B001F4XS68/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&qid=1270997691&sr=8-1&condition=new
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 16:04:06
Never thought to look on Amazon for them... :thumb:
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Gary on Apr 11, 2010, 16:07:26
Quote from: Rik on Apr 11, 2010, 16:04:06
Never thought to look on Amazon for them... :thumb:
I know, I was surprised as well , Rik  :)
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: qweezy on Apr 13, 2010, 12:28:58
No changes and slightly lower sync :(.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 13, 2010, 12:30:08
Have a word with support, they'll be able to check your line stats and see if there's a reason.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: qweezy on Apr 13, 2010, 13:23:39
Is there any way the Target Margin can be reset?
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: psp83 on Apr 13, 2010, 13:55:24
Ask support  ;D

They got BT to move mine from 15 to 9 but the exchange soon put it back to 15 a few days later because of small errors on the line.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 13, 2010, 14:39:38
What Paul said, qweezy. IDNet can get BT to force the changed, but if it gets kicked back up, it's very rare for BT to do it again.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: qweezy on Apr 15, 2010, 16:33:18
Hello again.

Emailed support which replied incredibly quick (4 minutes ;D) and the request has been put in for 'unbanding'.

Apparently this should go through later today!

Top marks for support, didnt even have to make a phone call!

More fingers crossed that I can hold at a lower Target Margin.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 15, 2010, 16:35:02
Good luck.  :fingers:
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: qweezy on Apr 16, 2010, 12:51:23
When should I expect the 'Unbanding'?  Also, do I need to reboot the router for it to take effect?

I haven't seen it drop from 15db yet.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 16, 2010, 12:57:43
It's usually done within 24 hours. Re-booting would do no harm. :)
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: qweezy on Apr 16, 2010, 17:07:42
Hmmmmm, well its been over 24hrs now.

Rebooted several times with no changes.

:(
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Steve on Apr 16, 2010, 17:11:27
I think I'd be tempted to seek confirmation that your margin has been reset,you don't want to mess things up by continually rebooting.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 16, 2010, 17:30:49
Multiple re-boots are a very big no-non, qweezy, they can be seen as instability and put you right back where you were.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: qweezy on Apr 16, 2010, 19:08:40
Yeah, I understand that but the Margin hasnt dropped back at all.

Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 16, 2010, 19:12:22
You need to check with support, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: qweezy on Apr 19, 2010, 15:06:07
Support have confirmed the 'unbundling'.

Not much has changed.  My db for UP seems to have fallen to 6db, but DOWN has never moved from 15 or more.
Title: Re: Chances of Target Margin drop?
Post by: Rik on Apr 19, 2010, 15:27:18
Unbundling and noise margin are two separate things, qweezy. BT use Banded Profiles when a line has been unstable, effectively saying "This is the range of speeds your line will support." That's been removed, but your router has still negotiated a connection with a 15db noise margin. Either the line is noisy or the target NM has been set at 15db and not been lowered.