Anybody that likes Sudoku, or other tests of mental agility, would do well to look at AAISPs new pricing structure. (http://aaisp.net.uk/broadband-prices-ubc.html) It's just the sort of thing you need when working out whether to migrate.... ;D
I agree. Adrian Kennard has surpassed himself this time. ::)
I guess it does make sense, but it's something you don't really want to look at!
I've read it several times and I think I'm starting to understand it.
But please, don't ask me any questions as I don't have Adrian's I.Q. Apparently. ;D
The Krypton Factor returns :eek4:
For gods sake just go to Be and get a 3 mth contract without all the hassle and cost, that pricing structure wont win an award from the plain English society for its simplicity ;D
Can't see many Tiscali users going for that,it reads like an ASBO :hide:
:hehe:
Adrian's going to have another go at explaining it (http://aaisp.blogspot.com/2009/10/info-not-liking-change.html).
Should be fun. ;D
tbh it sounds like he's spat his dummy out. It would have been a lot simpler to just increase the allowances on the 21CN lines
Poor guy. he thinks it's that people don't like the change when really it's just plain unintelligible! :dunno:
Agreed, it seems way over complicated for what is mostly a 50% increase in peak time download limits if you're connected to a 21CN enabled exchange.
Aside from having the backup resilience of a second Internet connection by a different wholesaler, I still can't see any point in using them instead of 02/BE if I was a home user.
They have put on their blog page that if you wish to keep to the old price plan you can ...I wont even try and follow this plan I am such a light user I get an under usage every month so :dunno:
TBH they are in my view just way over priced, and if you cant explain a tariff change to your consumers in a simple way without an interactive calculator you should be at a star trek convention playing the character of Spock. Be is a much better option than Be complicated.
They are I guess Gary,but in my case as I don't game or anything they have done OK and I don't really comprehend this change again it wont have any effect on what my monthly outlay is I will be shifting to LLU soon so leaving my options open
The service is good though I cant knock them on this VFM :dunno: that's subjective I guess
If you have no LLU options at your exchange, and are a heavy downloader, then their off peak prices are quite good value for money. Especially now that it appears (http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/entanet/3714439-i-feel-sad.html) Entanet are quietly applying bandwidth restrictions on top of their ALT mechanism.
I have LLU at my exchange and could get Be tomorrow but just taking my time on this although it looks like the only way to go in reality
If you're such a light Internet user, why not try someone like Talktalk LLU, if available, and get the broadband for free with a call package?
I don't want a contract which binds me for 12 months in fact not even three so after a iffy start my speeds are fairly consistent so being cautious for the time being
I think TT's contract is 18 months, is it not?
You have to be seriously off-balance to stand for that sort of nonsense. ;)
Quote from: dujas on Oct 10, 2009, 22:28:04
If you have no LLU options at your exchange, and are a heavy downloader, then their off peak prices are quite good value for money. Especially now that it appears (http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/entanet/3714439-i-feel-sad.html) Entanet are quietly applying bandwidth restrictions on top of their ALT mechanism.
I would rather eat my leg than pay their prices, I use in the day time, not at night so they are stupidly expensive for me and you have to be downloading a lot of data at night to make it worth while :eyebrow:, not sure I like the wild ISP image either when it comes to BT, yes they are a pain but you dont openly taunt them on your website as they have in the past, to become a Be reseller is mad when you can get Be cheaper yourself and as for the pricing rational? Odd bunch.
No one ISP is right for everyone Gary. The point made was that for off-peak users the packages are more attractive than previously. For peak time such as yourself, obviously they are not as good value as other option available.
I think it's a very sensible approach! Like pick-and-mix, choose your preferred combination of Units on top of the basic line service.
For example I'd go with two daytime units ( total 3GB ) and one off-peak ( 100GB ) to match my usage pattern.
The CEO of Verizon in the US recently suggested adopting a scheme like this and I do think it is better for the ISP and the customer. The former because they can calculate anticipated throughput and the latter because they only pay for what they intend to use.
Yes, I feel the same. It looks like I'll soon be able to slip down a notch in the subscriptions for peak and with the same allowance for off-peak.
I have been uncomfortable with this new plan and keeping a close on my log,and bearing in mind I do not download anything really and to date always underused.It bothered me enough for me to ask a question on the matter and I got the reply back with my usage.
Below is what you have used in the past 4 months including October.
Oct 2009 1.90G
Sep 2009 2.62G
Aug 2009 2.81G
Jul 2009 798M
Looking at the above figures I would even recommend transferring to the
pro4GB/100GB tariff
That would put my monthly bill up by around £6.00 which is not a problem in itself but that's quite a leap ???
Can I ask what you're paying now, David?
Just over £20 Simon
I don't know what package you're on, but for your current usage, £26 per month seems a bit steep.
I am on basic Simon cant go any lower my next will be in soon so I will see, I may not have an option if it leaps up,it is a little confusing to be honest and I may have it wrong but considering I don't do very much at all apart from being here and sending the odd Email I am a very light user indeed I don't even use you tube that often except again on here,I would expect a little more for that amount of money
I ask myself what is the advantage of AAISP over IDNet. I do recall you had severe line issues which I thought were BT related when you left Idnet. If this is now corrected surely you can look elsewhere? I would not be able cope even with a daytime limit of 4Gb and conversely it doesn't matter how much off peak you give me I would never use it.
Hi Steve I had hoped that my move over here would solve my problem which stemmed as we all know from the great switch-over.I have had my service albeit a slower speed than I enjoyed with IDNet I used to enjoy 5,500 speeds with very few disconnections.I do get almost daily disconnections here this has been blamed on BT and it is as far as I know.
I can look elsewhere that is the joy of a 30 day contract but I don't want to change every few months and I don't use that much its just this pricing structure by the looks of it may just work out as being in effect,in my case at least a price hike.
In an ideal situation I would return to IDNet.
I think as with many things with me I need to look into the subject of downloads in more detail I guess I have not enough knowledge to even guess at what 4 GB is in terms of usage and I freely admit this.I am not grumbling either in any way just trying to get to the bottom line of this.
The line is fine now as far as I am aware and LLU is staring me in the face and yes I can get it my local exchange is enabled...... ???
Better go and do some more homework..................not having a good day
I have just replied to them to see if my speeds will improve for this extra money,In theory they should not however I do know the line can manage 5.500 and I no longer get this and this service boasts of up to 24 MG down and 8mg up I know this cannot happen but the reply might be interesting...It must sound like a dumb question but somewhere there is method in this
The speed would stay the same unfortunately. The premium option helps
improve the upload speed though:
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Oct 23, 2009, 13:38:46
I have been uncomfortable with this new plan and keeping a close on my log,and bearing in mind I do not download anything really and to date always underused.It bothered me enough for me to ask a question on the matter and I got the reply back with my usage.
Below is what you have used in the past 4 months including October.
Oct 2009 1.90G
Sep 2009 2.62G
Aug 2009 2.81G
Jul 2009 798M
Looking at the above figures I would even recommend transferring to the
pro4GB/100GB tariff
That would put my monthly bill up by around £6.00 which is not a problem in itself but that's quite a leap ???
I'm slightly confused, as the way I read the above is that that you are a very light user, yet they are recommending that you go on a more expensive package. Seems like false logic to me. :dunno:
Thanks Simon I thought I was being thick ??? what wrangles is..am I being had ? I am not saying I am but it feels like it....I suddenly go from under usage to over usage.so upgrade to stay within my limit ?
Or is it me ?
:dunno: Makes no sense to me, David. Anyway, off to the osteopath again now! :argh:
Good luck...dont forget to go in the correct door this time..... :evil:
The speed would stay the same unfortunately. The premium option helps
improve the upload speed though:
As it has halved in a fortnight thats good news
326kbps now
783 kbps on 8th inst :eyebrow:
That is coincidence just recieved my usage account and notice for the first time I have gone over and lost the underusage which I though was carried forward ?
Total usage brought forward 1.00G
Total Allowance 1.00G
Download this period 2.02G
Usage brought forward 1.00G
Total usage this period 3.03G
Over usage to carry forward 2.03G
OffPeak period download
-----------------------
Under usage brought forward 97.3G
Under usage lost 47.3G
Total allowance brought forward 50.0G
Allowance for this period 50.0G
Allowance brought forward 50.0G
Total Allowance 100G
Total usage this period 1.71G
Under usage to carry forward 98.2G
If you have any queries, please contact sales.
QuoteIf you have any queries, please contact sales.
:wtf: would be mine. :dunno:
If you were still with IDNet, you'd be paying £17.61 per month, for 40Gb (assuming ADSL2+), which is split 10Gb peak, and 30Gb off-peak. Even on Max, you would still get 5Gb for the same price. We know IDNet are not the cheapest provider, and I can't honestly figure what could warrant a monthly cost of £26, going by your average usage. I know you have an increased off-peak allowance (100Gb?), and I guess they have to cover the costs of people maxing out that availability, but I don't get why they are recommending a more expensive package for you, with your usage, David. Maybe I'm missing something, or perhaps you have confused things yourself, but it doesn't make much sense to me, as it appears above.
:dunno:
Under usage to carry forward 98.2G
This is what rubbed salt in Simon it seems because of the change I have been halved on a meagre limit anyway,just sent an Email asking for explanation and you guessed it I am not amused
If I could get my old speed back I would return like a shot or even equal to this crowd......I have been looking again at Be but god knows why I just don't fancy them
I will see what their reply is its possible Einstein could get confused with this method but we will see :dunno:
Do they do a translation into English?
Thanks Glenn I really thought it was me and was trying to get my head around it and gave up....easier to play the piano with my toes ;D
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Oct 23, 2009, 14:20:46
considering I don't do very much at all apart from being here
So it's our fault? ;D
No I need to get out more lodge ;D
Trouble is that you love us all so much. :)x
:hug: That I do lodge ;D
I don't think you can ever get your old MAX sync back, David. In fact, the only posinle way to get a higher speed would be to move to someone such as Be as that would mean a physical change at the exchange.
Yes I am awaiting to see what the reply is but as much as I am reticent to go down this road I may have to hit the migration button on my account I think speed will improve with Be.....have been looking and I could get Be Pro for this money.
If this does work out as a confusing for me but money for them I will have no alternative.
I should have added that the increase in upload speed is only anybreal benefit if you regularly send or upload big files. Normal day to day browsing won't be any different.
Thanks Lance no I seldom upload anything of any great size.....I think I am bothered a little by the Be Box and I would like not to change isps every so often I just like my BB to be there and run without all this nonsense.I have never had to worry about downloads before now and I don't think I ever went over when I was with IDNet this new tariff seems to be loaded but I could be wrong but as I have not changed my surfing habits it speaks for itself...we will see I know there are a few disgruntled users at this new system :(
Indeed looking at your usage it's quite clear you are only a light user, and the £18 Idnet package would be more than sufficient for your needs without you needing to worry about how much allowence
you've used at what time of day etc. Certainly I don't think for your level of usage I could justify £26!
No and I don't mind paying a premium but not quite this high ...I think I know what to do :bawl:
I think it may be worth calling or Emailing Simon at IDNet before I make up my mind over the weekend :fingers:
I'm sure he will be more than happy to talk to you!
I'm sure he'd be pleased to hear from you! ;D
You taking the P ? :rofl2:
I wasn't, but can't speak for Simon! ;D
You know me, David. :)x
:rofl: :lol:......Thats why I love it here its so,,.................like excruciatingly painful at times ;D
Quote from: Simon on Oct 23, 2009, 23:44:24
You know me, David. :)x
Yep sure do ;D :lol:
Only at times? We must try harder!!! :lol:
You sound like the wife now >:D
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Oct 23, 2009, 23:45:22
:rofl: :lol:......Thats why I love it here its so,,.................like excruciatingly painful at times ;D
Well, they do say pain is close to pleasure. :evil:
Your rotters.I am just going up the hospital to get this mouse removed from the palm of my hand ;D ;D
:bye:
;D ;D
I have just sent an Email to IDNet to see what is on offer and if the speeds can be equlled with this lot.oopted for the Home Plus that should suit me but have not ordered yet :fingers:
The sync speed will remain the same, David, as thatbis dependant only on your connection from the exchange to your house :)
Thanks Lance I heard from Simon earlier,efficient as ever.it is likely I will return :evil: :evil:
Wow, there was a bit of an A&A bashing going on here...
To be fair, I see their point; if BadPianoPlayer was using 3.03 GB peak in a month on the 2GB package then from their PoV someone is not paying their way and they will ask that he upgrade to the 4 GB package. I don't see how that is a conspiracy.
A&A provide a huge amount of user-accessible data on usage and allowances, including totals per hour for every day, so I cannot accept that any subscriber could be ``surprised'' at the end of a month. It is all there is black-and-white ( and red ) right up to the most recent full hour.
As for moving back to IDNet, bear in mind that 18:00 to 00:00 weekdays and daytime weekend hours will additionally count as peak, so keep a close eye on your usage if you have become accustomed to using the Internet at those times. Again, check your A&A data to see when you download most, before you move, as no other ISP will offer such an insight into your usage patterns.
It's a shame you weren't happy with A&A but they have a very specific target user profile..
I think in David's defence he went to AAISP in an attempt solve his adsl 2+ line problems. Unfortunately his usual daily usage profile doesn't match economically with AAISP's pricing structure. He may only use for 4GB /month out of a potential daytime/off peak allocation of 102Gb but then gets penalised for 2GB over usage . To pay a further £6/month in David's case surely is not sensible.
Quote from: El Bunto on Oct 26, 2009, 07:42:56
Wow, there was a bit of an A&A bashing going on here...
To be fair, I see their point; if BadPianoPlayer was using 3.03 GB peak in a month on the 2GB package then from their PoV someone is not paying their way and they will ask that he upgrade to the 4 GB package. I don't see how that is a conspiracy.
A&A provide a huge amount of user-accessible data on usage and allowances, including totals per hour for every day, so I cannot accept that any subscriber could be ``surprised'' at the end of a month. It is all there is black-and-white ( and red ) right up to the most recent full hour.
As for moving back to IDNet, bear in mind that 18:00 to 00:00 weekdays and daytime weekend hours will additionally count as peak, so keep a close eye on your usage if you have become accustomed to using the Internet at those times. Again, check your A&A data to see when you download most, before you move, as no other ISP will offer such an insight into your usage patterns.
It's a shame you weren't happy with A&A but they have a very specific target user profile..
I don't think there is any bashing going on I have never bashed any isp..well Tiscali got a bit of an earache but not that much I dont think I ever made any remarks about IDNet when I left and I am not bashing A&A its the pricing structure I don't comprehend and that would be for me to try and see what is going on the basis for this "discussion" is not to bash anyone but to just work out a new pricing tariff which from my first statement with this tariff looks to have quite an effect on what it will cost me to be online.
Now lets put things right.
The service from them is brilliant from my point of view
The speed is OK given that BT are in the chain
I could go to BE LLU but for some inexplicable reason ....I have my doubts
I have been with IDNEt and know them I would get much more download usage should I decide on returning
I dont need beath taking speeds I believe this is a bit of a myth as long as you get enough for what you want and as I dont game I think you would agree that although it may sound naive I may have a point.
In my view and I would be the first to say I know very little in this tech world.whats the point in thinking in great speeds it can only operate at a speed a particular line can manage :dunno:unless we bring in FFTC which can be ignored for the time being.
Bottom line if I can maintain the line profile and get more use without worrying about whether or not I am going over my daily allowance then that will be the factor I guess which will help me make up my mind I am a very light user I think so anyway and it would appear that the changes
brought in recently may not be very cost effective in my case.
So no isp bashing gone on just me with my confusion and some points of view of others I honestly cant see any bashing of anyone which has occurred :dunno:
I have just heard from A7A and apparently I have exceeded my download allowance since I joined so the new tarriff I guess has made little effect on me I do have some concerns however and seeking to see if I owe them any money ? :dunno:
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Oct 26, 2009, 11:17:26
I could go to BE LLU but for some inexplicable reason ....I have my doubts
Worth a try, I'd say. ;)
:hairpull: :think: Might be time to dip my toe in the pool.. :eek4:
The water is warm this time of year :evil:
Don't forget to go via a cashback site to reduce the overall cost
Just looking..............my web cams not on is it ? ;D
Its spooky around here at times ;D
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Oct 26, 2009, 20:58:25
Might be time to dip my toe in the pool
Nah, you don't want to do that. Come back here. :kiss: :hug:
Trouble is I cant swim ;D
Just jump in the deep end .....you normally do. ;D
:rofl:
Man overboard
Quote from: J!ll on Oct 24, 2009, 23:35:03
No we don't let them know that, just wave at them :D
Quote from: lodge on Oct 26, 2009, 21:39:37
Just jump in the deep end .....you normally do. ;D
:bartmoon: :dog: :ithank: :hehe:
Quote from: Glenn on Oct 26, 2009, 21:40:10
:rofl:
Man overboard
This is not fair guys here I am crying out for help and I am held up to derision and the butt of jokes :rofl: :pmsl: :rofl2:
Would you like us to tell you where to go, then? ;D
Best come around for a cup of tea and a laugh ;D
:rub: :cheers2: Cor, thanks.
You can meet the wife ;D
Now for the Tea >:D
;D
:hehe: Your on the ball tonight ;D
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Oct 26, 2009, 22:01:59
You can meet the wife ;D
Now for the Tea >:D
In my best Hanibal voice, "I'm having a few friends over for dinner" :whistle:
few friends
Thats a lot for me......and I count as a friend anyone who says to me "Have a Nice Day" ;D
Changed my package todayto 4Gb daytime/100Gb off peak
Not ready to change just yet but cant keep watching how much I use,hopefully this will suffice
I've just gone the other way, David. Down to 2GB/100GB with almost 1GB in hand after 2 months. It's cheaper than IDNet and I like being able to fix any 'problems' without recourse to Support.
Interesting Bob as I really am only on here (not that often ;D ) but to find out that I was going over my usage monthly and there was no charge due to A&A giving me the deficit because of some down time but I thought I would just to see if this solves a potential monthly extra on the bill.
:dunno:
I have not got the stamina nor the will to work out what this works out in downloads...just hoping ???
AAISP's peak allowance (9AM-6PM) is quite low/expensive depending upon the subscription chosen; it's really aimed at people who work during the daytime, away from home.
Log into your online account and see what your usage has been, you might be regularly going over your peak allowance.
Well I pumped up the initial sub. to 4GB because I thought I would have trouble at the 2GB level. I then just used it normally, and despite large Windows Updates (I have 6 computers) and 3 installations of Win 7 + updates I still fell well short of capacity. So you should be OK. ;)
I'm being slightly more careful ATM between 9-6p.m. M-F, but outside of these office hours I'm pleased to have 100GB to play with any time that's useful to me.
Its these hours Bob that clash with me although I am here it it does gobble it up as I have said I dont really do much else except pay a bill or the odd you tune...but that is about is.I will monitor this and if it gets under usage to a big extent I can always downgrade the deal.at least I have room to now do what I want without too much concern.
I dont really have much idea what 100 GB translates to but it sounds a lot
Indeed. By January we may end up with a bit more for our money. :dunno:
I can't imagine using anything like 100GB, but I do want eventually to tap into BBCiPlayer and ITV's version via Freesat when it becomes available (http://www.whathifi.com/News/BBC-will-Beta-test-iPlayer-on-Freesat-in-late-November/).
I suspect that such regular usage would put the d/l figures up significantly. That would make a fast, clean connection very worthwhile, if not essential.
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Nov 03, 2009, 21:03:22
Its these hours Bob that clash with me although I am here it it does gobble it up as I have said I dont really do much else except pay a bill or the odd you tune...but that is about is.I will monitor this and if it gets under usage to a big extent I can always downgrade the deal.at least I have room to now do what I want without too much concern.
I dont really have much idea what 100 GB translates to but it sounds a lot
The
odd You Tube? Crikey, when you and Jill get going, that would eat it up a bit! ;D
Ahh but if you look Simon I only did this at weekends which is not included :eyebrow:
Dont mention that name.........I am sitting here ..just waiting watching the clock filling in my time :lol:
Quote from: Tacitus on Oct 09, 2009, 16:19:52
Anybody that likes Sudoku, or other tests of mental agility, would do well to look at AAISPs new pricing structure. (http://aaisp.net.uk/broadband-prices-ubc.html) It's just the sort of thing you need when working out whether to migrate.... ;D
Hello!
The new tariffs and pricing structure will be launched with a new ordering system that will make choosing the right tariff easy...
Welcome to the forum, Andrew! :karma:
Any timeframe on when this is likely to be launched?
Quote from: Lance on Nov 10, 2009, 14:43:04
Welcome to the forum, Andrew! :karma:
Any timeframe on when this is likely to be launched?
Should be January...
I only came across this forum after noticing one of our status page posts had been pasted in ;-) (Issues At Upton Park)
Thanks Andrew - we'll keep a look out for it.
Well, now you've found us feel free to stick about! You can join in the BT bashing with the rest of us! ;D
Quote from: Lance on Nov 10, 2009, 15:23:59
Thanks Andrew - we'll keep a look out for it.
Well, now you've found us feel free to stick about! You can join in the BT bashing with the rest of us! ;D
Did someone say BT bashing :D
:welc: :karma:
One of our favourite hobbies... :P
:welc: Andrew, :karma:
:welc: :karma: Shaun.
Welcome Andrew :)
Welcome Shaun :)
Okay, can I now say I'm amused at Andrew signing up here? It's all good though :)
Welcome aboard, Andrew. :welc: :karma:
Quote from: AA-Andrew on Nov 10, 2009, 15:18:58
I only came across this forum after noticing one of our status page posts had been pasted in ;-) (Issues At Upton Park)
Blame David, we all do. ;D
Quote from: shaunkemp on Nov 10, 2009, 15:43:36
Did someone say BT bashing :D
It's our favourite past time, when not knocking other ISPs. :evil:
:welcome: :karmic: Andrew....
Blimey, all we need now is for RevK to turn up...... :evil:
I thought he had. :whistle:
Maybe in spirit! ;)
:pray: ;D
:welc: Andrew and Shaun! We could do with a new double act! ;D
Two Scots names, even if one is unable to spell it properly. :evil:
It's not Clive working under a pseudonym, though, is it?
http://www.shaunthesheep.com/ ;D
:hehe:
:welc: Andrew! :karma:
Quote from: Simon on Nov 10, 2009, 17:12:51
:welc: Andrew and Shaun! We could do with a new double act! ;D
Are you both AAISP staff? OK folks treat them gently - they've probably hopped over here to see how it's done..... :whistle:
Quote from: Tacitus on Nov 11, 2009, 08:25:33
Are you both AAISP staff? OK folks treat them gently - they've probably hopped over here to see how it's done..... :whistle:
In plain English? :whistle:
Quote from: Tacitus on Nov 11, 2009, 08:25:33
Are you both AAISP staff? OK folks treat them gently - they've probably hopped over here to see how it's done..... :whistle:
They are. :)
Quote from: Tacitus on Nov 11, 2009, 08:25:33
Are you both AAISP staff? OK folks treat them gently - they've probably hopped over here to see how it's done..... :whistle:
We are AA Staff. We joined as we noticed that there were a few posts about AAISP and thought we could help a bit...
We don't mean to intrude ;-)
You're not, Andrew. :)
Everyone s welcome.
Thats what they said to me ;D......just be careful with the initiation it involves a rubber band,a pair of wellingtons (green) and a flock of sheep ;D
You will get a Blue Peter Badge though ;D
Pinned to what? :eyebrow:
They could be here for industrial espionage, or David has been all along ;D
Quote from: Glenn on Nov 11, 2009, 09:25:48
Everyone s welcome.
Apart from Tiscali employees. >:D
;D
Quote from: Rik on Nov 11, 2009, 12:09:35
Pinned to what? :eyebrow:
To your lapel Rik....what did you pin yours ? ;D
I was wearing a surgical gown at the time. ;)
He did feel a small prick though :whistle:
Or sharp scratch, as they so euphemistically put it.
I was itching to know that :D
;D
I enjoyed the way it took four attempts to get the canula in today! :o
:eek4: :eek4: AGHHHHHhhhhhhh you did it again
Sorry. It was only four sharp scratches.
:bawl: Where is Jill when you need her :eek4:
On a cruise liner, situation normal. ;D
:rofl: :lol: I heard she is missing me than that "Den"bloke :evil:
Maybe she at his Den :evil:
I suppose I should be "Alarmed" Glenn ;D
:grn:
Den will give you a quote. ;D
:thnks: Glenn
I will give Den a quote first. To be or not to be,That is the question ;D
I see they are changing the tariffs now.........I am more confused than ever..pass the valium someone ???
Seems straightforward enough to me (http://aaisp.net.uk/news-2010.html). :stars:
I love the unit part ;D 1 unit =1Gb or 100Gb or 1000Gb fairly straightforward,seems much simpler to me :whistle:
I love the possible £4.98/GB excess bandwidth charge.
It must be me but I have read and reread it and just think and it could be unjustified that it will mean higher bills...but what do I know ?
The key word is could. A&A's tariff reminds me of some of the mobile phone ones, complex and needing careful monitoring.
Yes but I cant be bothered to monitor anything like this I will judge it on my monthly outlay and if it just means I am paying more than before that will do me......A&A are going to enter the mobile phone world soon according to the blog...with something "Different" :dunno:
I wouldn't move to A&A, were I considering a move, simply because they seem to make things too complicated and their excess charges are, imo, excessive.
This appears to bear all that out Rik VFM ?I am still undecided on this.I have seen about a weeks work at my exchange (more if you count the odd evenings work)I think they have now finished and I shall be watching closely to see if the service improves if it does then I will be in a better position to evaluate things
I think it is too complicated for the average user and for once I don't include myself in this in fact people I talk too and I have actually helped consider me a geek !!! which gives some idea of what the average users abilities are.
I think I might be lazy but I have better things to do with my life than trying to keep up with this system which for me is just over the top
I agree completely. Looking at the clock before doing anything is not of interest to me.
:conf: :stars:
Quote from: Rik on Nov 25, 2009, 10:48:09
I agree completely. Looking at the clock before doing anything is not of interest to me.
Which is what I find I have been doing and it might have shown even here...and I have upgraded my package it takes a lot of the enjoyment and freedom out of using the net.OK it could be said its my fault and that I should read up and calculate it all but like I say I am lazy perhaps I think its just too much to work it out I don't want to sit here with a calculator.
You should be able to use the web enjoyably at any time, David, not be counting the minutes you spend online.
What it reminds me of is this Simon...filling your car with petrol and having £20 in your pocket and you hold that lever for dear life hoping to get it right...lose concentration and you have gone past that point :eyebrow:
I am quite surprised at how little adjustment Val and I had to make M-F 9-6. Outside these office hours the allowance of 100GB is virtually unlimited for even quite heavy users.
She, of course, carries on in her own sweet way, and I just have to postpone downloading very large files, such as DVD Linux versions. The adjustment was much easier than I thought it would be. In fact, I over estimated my peak requirement and have since dropped a subscription level which has led to a significant reduction in monthly costs.
So I'm paying considerably less, for a line which I control, and which works correctly 24/7/365.
As for the new prices and units system, I'll be getting an additional half a GB peak allowance for the same money, with the added flexibility of being able to cross-subsidise usage between peak and off-peak. It's a win-win situation by exercising a minimum of restraint.
YMMV. ;)
Thanks Bob...so that applies to me then.... that's the point I am not as academic as you :bawl:
YMMV ? ???
Your Mileage May Vary. ;D
:hehe: Thats clearer then :whistle:
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Nov 25, 2009, 12:47:16
Thanks Bob...so that applies to me then.... that's the point I am not as academic as you :bawl:
YMMV ? ???
I'm on 2GB, so I'll need at least 2 units for peak and 1 unit for off-peak = 3 units. Those 2 units for peak are worth an extra half GB download at peak.
You're on 4GB, so unless you decide to downgrade your sub., you'll need 4 units for peak and 1 unit for off-peak = 5 units. Those 4 units for peak are worth an extra 1GB download at peak. Lucky you.
You'll find your subscription will work out the same(ish) and you'll now be able to use your units whenever you like but they'll reduce at a different rate according to when you're using them. Just keep an occasional eye on your usage monitor.
You may even be able to reduce your overall units requirement to 4 units, thus saving money, but it may be more sensible to stay where you are for now and review at the end of each month.
HTH
Thanks for this so its concrete and clay then.......Unit 4 plus 2 ;D
I am totally confused.......units,Gigs pounds,salt,bank charges.....ISO and life in general :bawl:
Jill !!!!! I need you >:D
I'll deal with you later, David.
I'm off for some lunch.
Your homework is 'to read the AAISP news item again.....twice. Slowly'.
You will be tested ..... later. The pass mark is 60%. ;D
I will have to set an hour aside from the rest of my jobs...so I may get to reread it again about 3 am on the 7th Jan 2012...but thats a provisional booking ;D
Sounds like a very non linear usage monitor
David, this (http://units.nhs.uk/) should help you better understand units! ;D
I would agree Steve if I had a clue what you mean ;D
I am just a lowly lad wiv a bad education......we didn't cover price tarriffs though for internet users.......how to use an abacus was bad enough ;D
Quote from: Lance on Nov 25, 2009, 14:40:41
David, this (http://units.nhs.uk/) should help you better understand units! ;D
Thank you Lance I don't drink...................................yet !!
I'll try to confuse you then ;D
Quotes
"A unit is at least one gigabyte of peak time download."
"Each 100GB of off peak tariff also counts as a unit"
"though at 1000GB per unit"
See its straightforward unit ;D
:stars: :hide: I will just pay
Date 25/11/09 20:11:47
Speed Down 2237.34 Kbps ( 2.2 Mbps )
Speed Up 643.57 Kbps ( 0.6 Mbps )
Anyone got any Vic.....?
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Nov 25, 2009, 19:46:26
:stars: :hide: I will just pay
If you're just paying without question, can I send you a bill too? :)x
You have more chance if you send me units Simon ;D
I thought you had moved to Zen, David. Why don't you just move back to idnet. I'm sure they have a low rate for light users.
No I have not tried Zen yet but I have to be fair a lot of issues are really BT congested lines...I was tempted to try O2 but a few comments put paid to that...IDNet are not off my list at all but I guess whoever provides the service still have the lines to use.except BE which I just dont fancy but dont know why :dunno: call it intuition ;D
Sandra over at pc-pals is with BE and she loves it.
Quote from: badpianoplayer on Nov 25, 2009, 21:43:01
No I have not tried Zen yet but I have to be fair a lot of issues are really BT congested lines...I was tempted to try O2 but a few comments put paid to that...IDNet are not off my list at all but I guess whoever provides the service still have the lines to use.except BE which I just dont fancy but dont know why :dunno: call it intuition ;D
I was on the Be Network with O2LLU and it was great (not the BT access) Be are a good LLU provider, you could not do wrong going with them, like Lona says most of the users are very happy, great speeds and very reliable, but cheaper to go via Be direct than through AAISP
What's your sync speed, David?
I didnt gain a whole lot being on LLU at my last house as the ATT was 43db so it went up to 50 I think on LLU but the line did not drop in the evening so I achieved what I needed.
Quote from: Rik on Nov 26, 2009, 10:38:48
What's your sync speed, David?
Sync BRAS
23 Mon 17:32:32 5120K adsl4500 4500K
20 Nov 5696K adsl5000 5000K
05 Oct 5120K adsl4500 4500K
04 Oct 09:59:57 5696K adsl5000 5000K
02 Oct 23:23:55 4544K adsl4000 4000K
02 Oct 23:04:00 5120K adsl4500 4500K
27 Sep 01:14:11 5120K adsl4500 4500K
20 Sep 5696K adsl5000 5000K
17 Sep 11:11:11 4000K adsl3500 3500K
15 Sep 00:03:59 5120K adsl4500 4500K
These ? it got so slow last night I nearly gave up although TB gave me 2.2 Meg...I knew that to be incorrect tried a BT test and that just froze and gave message sending report to your isp ...
That is terrible throughput for the sync speed, then. Time to come back to IDNet?
If they can better this...I will order it without hesitation
Ask them. I don't see why they shouldn't be able to.
As long as the speed stays at around the 4.5 meg I have given A&A lots of opportunity but feel I cant email again as I am told to watch the blog which I have done.....but its not exactly interactive is it and I personally don't feel that important to them unlike IDNet they were always so kind and courteous and on first name terms at that
I know where I'd rather be, David. :)
From their unit pricing, it's disappointing that BT Wholesale have priced FTTC the same as 21CN ADSL2, LLU continues to be more attractive.
Quote from: Rik on Nov 26, 2009, 13:13:46
I know where I'd rather be, David. :)
La isla bonita? ;D :out:
More likely Skye, Seb. ;D
:)x
26/11/09 20:24:51
Speed Down 847.43 Kbps ( 0.8 Mbps )
Speed Up 644.39 Kbps ( 0.6 Mbps )
This is dire tonight and some pages just wont load for me....!! :shake:
I want to meet the guy who runs AAISP.. I bet he's a character. His pricing structure is logical but oh so not customer friendly. He knows nothing about customer psychology obviously. Nobody is going to join up with that sort of system. At first glance, which is all I managed without going crosseyed (which was difficult with my being monocular) his prices seem very high too so one glance was enough for me to think.. no way.
David, just pop into your Control Panel, click on your phone number in the 'Change' tab and order proper BT Line tests by clicking the 'Line Test' option. Your line will be dropped at some point during this process. See what it comes back with.
Results will be recorded, and you can then discuss with Support if necessary.
Anne, if you pile on the downloads M-F 9-6 ( i.e. Office hours ) they are expensive.
Outside those hours they're pretty good value for money with 100 GB monthly allowance.
If you want to follow RevK's Ravings then click here (http://revk.www.me.uk/). ;D
2 units £17.56 a month.. that ain't cheap. IDNet guys pay that for a helluva lot more. I pay £13.50 for whatever I use. It's expensive.. no getting away from it.
Only if you use both those 2 units completely and only M-F 9-6. If you work normal office hours away from home, Peak rates will not affect you because you won't be using it during the peak time.
Outside those office times those 2 units are worth at least 200GB monthly. Which is way over what any BT-based non-unlimited non-LLU ISP has to offer for £17 approx. p.m.
In my own case, I'm around during the day, I pay just over £20 p.m. on BT21CN for which I get 3 units. I use approx. 2-2.5 GB peak, so 2 units sees me o.k. for peak usage, and the third unit gives me at least 100 GB outside those times. I can now use either or both to subsidise each other, though at different rates of usage. Underusage of units is carried over.
The relevant information is detailed here (http://aaisp.net.uk/news-2010.html).
I do agree that if you use a lot of peak time units you're soon going to get stuffed. Apart from that scenario, and LLU, which is irrelevant here, it happens to be a very good deal. Actually.
Quote from: Ann on Nov 26, 2009, 21:20:30
I want to meet the guy who runs AAISP.. I bet he's a character.
Have a chat with him on IRC! The connection details are on the AAISP pages. Or comment on his blog postings at www.me.uk.
Quote from: Ann on Nov 26, 2009, 21:20:30
His pricing structure is logical but oh so not customer friendly. ... Nobody is going to join up with that sort of system.
Well, the pricing scheme certainly made me jump-ship from ID Net, particularly as it does not penalise for evening and weekend usage. And if I'm at home in peak-time and need to do some serious downloading I can draw on the reserve of off-peak allowance, simply by using the circuit! It is incredibly flexible.
Thanks to AAISP's proactive attitude I now have an LLU circuit ( with full control over line performance ) and have never been happier with any ISP, but that had not been my consideration at the time of migration.
I do still drop-by here to see how ID Net is faring.