It would appear that Snow Leopard may be here sooner than anticipated
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-332129.html
28th August or there abouts :fingers:
Don't care. :nana: ;D
Will Windows 7 be out before the swine flu vac >:D
I can't wait for it, Steve. I think it's going to give a real performance boost. Some possible shots of the packaging, if you're interested:
http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/15/photos-of-snow-leopard-disc-and-retail-packaging/
Thanks Sebby, I see that's there's no pre-order for the UK unlike at Amazon.com
Nope, but I plan to pay the Apple Store a visit on the day it comes out anyway. I think the reason it can't be pre-ordered yet is because Apple haven't confirmed the UK upgrade price, but I imagine it'll be around £20.
If I went to the store I would have to take the exact money in cash and no cards :blush:
Why are they upgrading? According to Mac users the Mac is perfect >:D Is a Apple lap top called a Pac-a-Mac ? ;D
Quote from: Den on Aug 18, 2009, 08:29:45
Why are they upgrading? According to Mac users the Mac is perfect >:D Is a Apple lap top called a Pac-a-Mac ? ;D
Why are people upgrading from XP to Windows 7, XP is meant to be perfect? £20 for an update on a great platform, I'm sure most would for that price, and the little issues Macs have over Windows boxes make it a good upgrade I would imagine. Its definitely my next machine when my Laptop gets past it, I'm sick of Windows, and MS patching known flaws a year after becoming aware of them.
I thought this was a thread about a new BBC nature programme. ;)
Quote from: Rik on Aug 18, 2009, 09:20:54
I thought this was a thread about a new BBC nature programme. ;)
:lol:
Quote from: Den on Aug 18, 2009, 08:29:45
Why are they upgrading? According to Mac users the Mac is perfect >:D Is a Apple lap top called a Pac-a-Mac ? ;D
Have a look for yourself. ;)
http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/
Unlike Microsoft, Apple realise that they have a great OS and have just tweaked this one.
As far as I know the £20 - £300 upgrade only applies from Leopard > Snow Leopard, the price increases if going from an older version.
That is correct.
Did you notice that Adobe are abandoning the non-Intel machines for Creative Suite?
Yup. I can see why they're doing it, but no doubt it'll disappoint/annoy some.
I'm pleased, personally. The Windows world has made the mistake of clinging on to backwards compatibility for far too long.
That's a good way of looking at it actually.
Would you expect anything less? ;D
Of course not!
:thumb: ;D
The older PPC macs can't run Snow Leopard as they are unable to run a 64 bit OS
Correct. Tbh, I don't think it's unreasonable for them not to be supporting PPC anymore. I mean, Intel Macs have been around since 2006 now.
On another forum I read, the relase date is Friday, £25 for single user £39 for 5 user
Microsoft could learn a thing or two, couldn't they.
Yep, it's being released Friday. I've ordered online because I don't think I'll get to the Apple Store after work on Friday. Plus, word is that Apple have delivered on the release day in the past, rather than dispatching on release day. I can't wait, and £25 is a bit of a bargain.
Quote from: Rik on Aug 24, 2009, 18:04:52
Microsoft could learn a thing or two, couldn't they.
Yes indeed. Oh, are we talking about the Mac upgrade price? :whistle:
Amazon is now quoting a release date of 4th September, how odd that they should be different. Mind you looking at Apple's 3 working day delivery and Monday being a Bank Holiday probably won't be much different unless they post before the 28th.
Perhaps Amazon have made a guess at the date prior to the official Apple release as Friday is the usual release date for an Apple OS . Seems a good idea release a new OS and then run away and hide for the weekend.
Damn silly name for an OS, or is it because its as rare and endangered as the SL :eyebrow:
Perhaps Apple are donating some of their income to a conservation project?
It is more important to learn the Kext (http://www.ihackintosh.com/2009/02/what-is-kextwhere-is-kext-how-to-install-kext/) release dates for this version, it won't run natively on my latest hardware.
Will you just have to wait, Alan?
Quote from: Rik on Aug 24, 2009, 18:04:52
Microsoft could learn a thing or two, couldn't they.
I think it's MS 'partners' who should learn a thing or two. 'Partnering' with MS is like putting your head in the lion's mouth (http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/08/20/why-microsoft-will-slaughter-its-windows-mobile-and-pc-partners-and-what-it-means-for-apple-and-google/).
That's an interesting article, Tac. We may yet have our minds made up for us about moving to the Mac platform. :) :karma:
Quote from: Rik on Aug 25, 2009, 10:38:09
That's an interesting article, Tac. We may yet have our minds made up for us about moving to the Mac platform. :) :karma:
Thanks Rik :) Dilger is always an interesting read. Whether you agree with him or not his stuff is generally well argued, despite its anti-MS slant.
As a businessman, I suspect there's little to choose between the MS operation and the Mafia if you're on the wrong end.
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 25, 2009, 07:29:39
Amazon is now quoting a release date of 4th September, how odd that they should be different. Mind you looking at Apple's 3 working day delivery and Monday being a Bank Holiday probably won't be much different unless they post before the 28th.
I suspect it's because Amazon won't be getting it ahead of the release date.
Quote from: talos on Aug 25, 2009, 09:47:18
Damn silly name for an OS, or is it because its as rare and endangered as the SL :eyebrow:
Not as silly as how Orange name their mobile phone packages, I mean what's a Dolphin or a Raccoon got to do with anything :dunno:
Quote from: Rik on Aug 25, 2009, 10:25:28
Will you just have to wait, Alan?
Not long, those fans who create the Kexts consider it a matter of honour to have them published before the official OS release date.
At least we use legal copies of the OS, even if Apple aren't too happy.
Quote from: kinmel on Aug 25, 2009, 13:47:00
At least we use legal copies of the OS, even if Apple aren't too happy.
I'd have thought using different kexts could be construed as unauthorised modification of a copyrighted work. Until it's tested in a Court of Law, I doubt anyone could say with any certainty whether Hackintoshes are legal or not....
If the practice is too widespread I can see Apple going down the MS/Adobe route of product authorisation, in which case we all lose. At present they only go after those who try to make money from it.
Quote from: Tacitus on Aug 25, 2009, 14:03:38
I'd have thought using different kexts could be construed as unauthorised modification of a copyrighted work. Until it's tested in a Court of Law, I doubt anyone could say with any certainty whether Hackintoshes are legal or not....
But of course the kexts don't modify the O.S.; during loading the O.S. itself seeks out and invokes the kexts, which it then uses to operate hardware. The homebrew kexts are only created where a hardware manufacturer has not yet supplied suitable drivers, the same way as also happens with Linux drivers.
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If the practice is too widespread I can see Apple going down the MS/Adobe route of product authorisation, in which case we all lose. At present they only go after those who try to make money from it.
Of course product activation and media protection systems only inconvenience the innocent and prove no barrier at all to those who use pirated software
Now £23.99 on Amazon with a release date of Friday.
Hopefully the upgrade disk will allow a clean install but as yet no installation instructions available from Apple.I would be pleasantly surprised if an upgrade over an existing Leopard install got rid off all remnants of the previous OS.
I understand that it will allow a clean install, but Leopard will need to be installed first.
This (http://blog.intego.com/2009/08/25/snow-leopard-contains-an-antivirus/) article will amuse many but will Apple admit or deny their beloved OS is vulnerable to such attacks. It could I suppose be a hoax.
Quite honestly, who cares? :)
Some may find this (http://lifehacker.com/5345690/prep-your-mac-for-snow-leopard?skyline=true&s=x)a useful read and also the link to the clean up process. Looks like all we have have to do is feed in the DVD when it arrives having backed up before hand. The clean install it appears is not required for mac OS
:karma:
Thanks Sebby.
Don't know why I got excited about this afterall I bet my copy won't arrive until the middle of next week I may be pleasantly surprised and hopefully the dog wont destroy it as it passes from the mailbox to the floor. I am unsure what resemblance a piece of mail has to a rat or a cat and thus needs to be destroyed.
I wonder is it because it will be my first 64bit OS,it will be quicker and occupy less space than the previous OS the modifications to the Dock,Finder and Expose all look promising.Perhaps coloured by my first Vista install which on an average machine was a huge disappointment.
It is reassurring to note looking at the Apple community forum that it is not as simple as inserting a DVD and going for a coffee, people are having a variety of problerms with the install. I say thank goodness for that,wouldn't life be simple if it was all straightforward. I hopefully can look forward to many hours of frustration providing the teeth marks in the DVD are not too deep.
PS I think I will need a cloned copy of the drive from the old OS on an external drive in addition to the Time machine backup, afterall one can't be too careful.
So we'll see you some time after next weekend then, Steve? ;)
I'll wait until the DellMini community has ironed out the problems before upgrading my Mini9
I'm hoping mine arrives today! :fingers:
The mini or the SL? ;D
SL! :tongue:
;D
I'm getting snow foamed today, according to the UPS tracking. That's impressive service. :thumb:
Quote from: Rik on Aug 28, 2009, 09:22:04
So we'll see you some time after next weekend then, Steve? ;)
Its all depends on the dog ;D
Quote from: Rik on Aug 28, 2009, 09:51:09
;D
I'm getting snow foamed today, according to the UPS tracking. That's impressive service. :thumb:
Yeah, pretty good I thought. :)
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 28, 2009, 09:51:34
Its all depends on the dog ;D
;D
Are you hoping he gets it or not? ;)
A couple of useful links:
Bundled printer drivers (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3669)
Application compatibility list (http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/)
Quote from: Rik on Aug 28, 2009, 09:52:09
;D
Are you hoping he gets it or not? ;)
If he gets it since I ordered the 5 user upgrade I will be seriously out of pocket. :rant2:
Time for a muzzle then, Steve. ;)
:rofl:
I lent it Mr Max Mosely must ask for it back. >:D
:whistle: ;D
Quote from: kinmel on Aug 25, 2009, 20:24:21
But of course the kexts don't modify the O.S.; during loading the O.S. itself seeks out and invokes the kexts, which it then uses to operate hardware. The homebrew kexts are only created where a hardware manufacturer has not yet supplied suitable drivers, the same way as also happens with Linux drivers.
I know they don't modify the OS as such, it depends on whether
in law they are regarded as part of the operating system as supplied. Therefore supplying additional ones is regarded as 'modification'. I agree it might be a stretch.... Throw in the fact that parts of the OS are open source and it is a whole can of worms, one reason why Apple have been content to leave the OSX86 project alone. It's only when someone starts to make money out of it that they get interested.
Quote from: kinmel on Aug 25, 2009, 20:24:21
Of course product activation and media protection systems only inconvenience the innocent and prove no barrier at all to those who use pirated software
I agree and, since I don't generally use pirate software regarding it as rarely (though not always) worth the bother, I'm one that would be inconvenienced.
Isn't it also part of the license agreement that the Mac OS software should only be installed on Apple equipment.I know of a least one US company that produces non Apple mac OS machines but unsure what's happening regarding legal moves
Edit; Pystar was the companies name
Quote from: Sebby on Aug 28, 2009, 09:45:24
I'm hoping mine arrives today! :fingers:
Mine didn't. Which is probably a good thing with the weekend upon us.
Ah, you wanted to enjoy it, did you, Steve. :evil:
It could have been a useful distraction. With a postal strike due for the middle of next week,it could be snowing by the time it arrives.
Then you wouldn't notice it, Snow Leopards have very good camouflage you know
The dog will sniff it out ;D
Our office will be closing at 4pm today, and given that no one in the UK seems to have received their copy of SL, I think I'm going to head to the Apple Store in Regent Street after work and pick up a copy. I can just send the other copy back if/when it arrives. :)
Ah, the impatience of youth... ;D :out:
Tell me about it! I just don't think I can wait until next week!
At my age, next week is quite soon enough. ;D
Have the Apple store received their copies, if they have are they still in stock?
Quote from: Sebby on Aug 28, 2009, 15:54:14
Tell me about it! I just don't think I can wait until next week!
Careful! beware the pre-installed versions in Regent Street.
Is that something like the Ides of March, Steve?
If that's equivalent to coming out of the store with a new machine tucked under your arm :eek4:
Well, Sebby's bound to be bored with the one he's got by now... ;D
Went to the Apple Store and picked up a copy, and had the restraint not to even look at anything else. ;D
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That looks like a new screen :D
Are you not feeling well, Seb? ;D
On the Apple community forum some UK users have received their copy today and not so in others. Anyway I am not jealous as I've not done my additional clone backups yet :whistle:
Quote from: Glenn on Aug 28, 2009, 17:32:19
That looks like a new screen :D
Nope, just my iMac. :)
Quote from: Rik on Aug 28, 2009, 17:32:24
Are you not feeling well, Seb? ;D
I can't spend anymore money this week! :)x
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 28, 2009, 17:34:52
On the Apple community forum some UK users have received their copy today and not so in others. Anyway I am not jealous as I've not done my additional clone backups yet :whistle:
I haven't received my order copy. Just contemplating whether to risk doing a clean install and relying on my being able to restore the Time Machine backup, or whether I should do a CCC.
I think I'd use superduper or disk utility first to clone the drive and then you have at least 2 restore methods in the rare event it all goes tits up.
How do you clone the drive with Disk Utility?
Using a scapel, cut below a joint then plant and water, keep it in a warm place for a few day, then hopefully you will have a new cloned drive :angel:
;D
http://www.index-site.com/clonedu.html
I have used Superduper in the past and it worked fine, not bothered recently as I have been using Time Machine exclusively
:thnks:
I think the trial version of Superduper allows a free clone backup
http://lifehacker.com/software/step-by-step/mirror-your-mac-onto-a-bootable-external-drive-300384.php
Ta, got one running already with CCC, but good to know. :)
It looks like SL kernel defaults to 32 bit unless the 64 bit is requested at boot up the native 64 bit applications run on top.
Correct, unless you're running a Mac Pro or Xserve. I've been reading on it and it's said that there's no benefit for the average user, although you can opt to use the 64-bit kernel on most should you wish. :)
Thats as I understand it, looks largely an academic exercise for the home user . I use XP occassionally on the mac and the virtual device software all I think need a 32 bit kernel. I was hoping you might have told us how the install went, always best to learn from someone else's pitfalls ;D
My copy has just turned up in the post, I'm about to install it on my MacBook.
I'll report back later how I got on. :fingers:
Ah, you've got a spare machine to use then? ;D :out:
Fortunately mine didn't appear today so not expecting now until Tues/Wed next week. I can only buy the single license locally which is waste of pennies with 2 machines to upgrade.
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 29, 2009, 08:50:57
Thats as I understand it, looks largely an academic exercise for the home user . I use XP occassionally on the mac and the virtual device software all I think need a 32 bit kernel. I was hoping you might have told us how the install went, always best to learn from someone else's pitfalls ;D
I haven't installed it yet - I'll be doing so later today. Although I've got a TM backup, I wanted to create a clone as well. Unfortunately, I don't have another external hard drive, so I'm copying the 125GB clone over the network onto a PC. Only 3 hours to go...
I'm back :thumb:
All went to plan, I didn't do a clean install just updated from Leopard it took around 45mins.
Everything seems faster and I've gained 7GB of hard disc space.
This was on a Unibody Macbook 2.4Ghz 4.0GB RAM, I've got a iMac and a older MacBook to try later.
Quote from: lozcart on Aug 29, 2009, 11:54:01
My copy has just turned up in the post, I'm about to install it on my MacBook.
I'll report back later how I got on. :fingers:
Lucky you - mine didn't turn up today. Still, I'm glad I anticipated that and bought a copy yesterday! ;D
Quote from: lozcart on Aug 29, 2009, 12:49:14
I'm back :thumb:
All went to plan, I didn't do a clean install just updated from Leopard it took around 45mins.
Everything seems faster and I've gained 7GB of hard disc space.
This was on a Unibody Macbook 2.4Ghz 4.0GB RAM, I've got a iMac and a older MacBook to try later.
Great stuff. :thumb:
I can really see a Mac board coming. ;)
I wouldn't be against the idea. :P
Guess who would be looking after it. :evil:
:whome:
Exactly. ;D
Quote from: lozcart on Aug 29, 2009, 12:49:14
I'm back :thumb:
All went to plan, I didn't do a clean install just updated from Leopard it took around 45mins.
Everything seems faster and I've gained 7GB of hard disc space.
This was on a Unibody Macbook 2.4Ghz 4.0GB RAM, I've got a iMac and a older MacBook to try later.
O'dear where's the fun in that! no endless hours of frustration,teeth grinding and hair pulling,hopefully I will be more successful if my family license pack ever arrives. ;) :thumb:
I didn't know families needed a licence these days, Steve... :whistle: ;D
Oh yes it covers Daddy Mac. Mummy Mac and three baby Macs :tongue:
What, no dirty old Mac? ;D
Quote from: Rik on Aug 29, 2009, 14:54:37
What, no dirty old Mac? ;D
Apparently not, as unable to be flashed to SL :blush:
In which case, send for SuperMac... ;)
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 29, 2009, 14:50:07
Oh yes it covers Daddy Mac. Mummy Mac and three baby Macs :tongue:
How about doggy mac? The chocolate coloured labrador needs one too.
You mean Cadbury? :)
That's the one, he has stare that would melt your heart.
I prefer black Labs for some reason. :)
I prefer border collies myself
Quote from: Rik on Aug 29, 2009, 14:45:51
I didn't know families needed a licence these days, Steve... :whistle: ;D
Amazingly, you can buy a family license of SL for £39, allowing it to be installed on 5 Macs. :)
That's what I am waiting to arrive :bore:
Now up and running on Snow Leopard. I decided to do a clean install, even though all Mac users say it's not necessary - I guess it's a process I've learnt from Windows and can't move away from now! I've now got Time Machine restoring my files.
It seems a lot faster than Leopard, and I love being able to navigate within stacks now. I haven't really had much of a play yet, but more when I have. :)
Have now updated my iMac, just as successful as the MacBook earlier.
Seemed to be a long restart at first taking some time for the top menu items to appear but once loaded all OK. I've much more information stored on this Mac so Spotlight and Time Machine are currently updating.
Just my daughters Macbook to do, I might leave this because she only uses it with Bootcamp operating in Vista :shake:
Quote from: Sebby on Aug 29, 2009, 17:07:29
Now up and running on Snow Leopard. I decided to do a clean install, even though all Mac users say it's not necessary - I guess it's a process I've learnt from Windows and can't move away from now! I've now got Time Machine restoring my files.
It seems a lot faster than Leopard, and I love being able to navigate within stacks now. I haven't really had much of a play yet, but more when I have. :)
I think I too will find it difficult not to perform a clean install especially with mobile me allowing me to sync my preferences and account etc from the other machine once SL is up and running.
Just checked the shipment status and its being sent from the Netherlands with an expected delivery date of the 3rd of September.I know my sorting office is on strike the nights of the 2nd and 3rd so it could be some time before it finally arrives. Also the expected support for MS Exchange Server and Apple Mail.app is not all encompassing and currently it would appear that my only access to my works mail server is still via Entourage Web Access, which is a shame as I was hoping delete this application with the install of SL
Exactly, Steve. I also use MobileMe, so a clean install was so simple. I just can't help but feel that, however much better Mac OS is at performing at update, things will still get left behind.
Sebby. Did you use the migration assistant at all once you finished your erase and install of SL.
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 29, 2009, 21:54:57
Just checked the shipment status and its being sent from the Netherlands with an expected delivery date of the 3rd of September.
Mine said it was coming from the Netherlands also be it was actually sent second class from Hinckley, Leicestershire.
Thanks ,Hopefully it will be delivered before the strike on Wednesday night but I suppose the next normal delivery for me will be Wednesday AM as we tend to get hardly any mail on a Monday, in fact I am not sure why they bother delivering on a Monday if our mail volumes are typical.
Will they deliver on a bank holiday monday?
There are no Royal mail deliveries except in Scotland on the 31st August even there certain areas are affected by industrial action. Not sure why they call it action,inaction would be more appropiate.
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 30, 2009, 07:19:14
Sebby. Did you use the migration assistant at all once you finished your erase and install of SL.
Yes I did. A word of warning, when you setup a new user for the first time, just call it something like 'temp' as when you use Migration Assistant, it restores your old profile, and won't restore it if you have an existing one with the same name. Once migrated, you can delete the temporary account.
Also, I migrated only user files, not applications or settings.
Here's a screenshot demonstrating the ability to navigate within stacks - surprisingly handy!
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They could have taken a more friendly picture, it looks like the cat is eyeing you up for dinner.
I love it!
Dumb questions, but what's a stack, Seb?
That cat's saying, "Go on, rearrange the icons... if you dare!" ;D
Quote from: Rik on Aug 30, 2009, 12:44:23
Dumb questions, but what's a stack, Seb?
The bit that's open in the bottom right. You can put a stack on the dock for any folder - applications, documents, music, etc. It opens up that folder as a sort of floating window off of the dock. On Leopard, if you clicked a folder within the stack, a new window would open up in Finder. Now that folder opens within the stack, allowing much better navigation.
Quote from: Simon on Aug 30, 2009, 12:46:27
That cat's saying, "Go on, rearrange the icons... if you dare!" ;D
:lol:
That's why mine are so neat. :P
Quote from: Sebby on Aug 30, 2009, 12:47:05
The bit that's open in the bottom right. You can put a stack on the dock for any folder - applications, documents, music, etc. It opens up that folder as a sort of floating window off of the dock. On Leopard, if you clicked a folder within the stack, a new window would open up in Finder. Now that folder opens within the stack, allowing much better navigation.
Thanks, Seb. So you're sitting on the dock of the stack, then? ;)
Something like that. ;D
Quote from: Sebby on Aug 30, 2009, 11:59:41
Yes I did. A word of warning, when you setup a new user for the first time, just call it something like 'temp' as when you use Migration Assistant, it restores your old profile, and won't restore it if you have an existing one with the same name. Once migrated, you can delete the temporary account.
Also, I migrated only user files, not applications or settings.
Thanks.So you reinstalled your applications from scratch then in true windows fashion >:D
Yup. Of course much easier than Windows though. ;)
Before I did the clean install, I did a
ls /Applications/ >> apps.txt
from Terminal so I had a list of what was installed. :)
Hi Everyone
Well have come back from a visit to see our grandson and have got my copy of Snow Leopard.
Couldn't wait to install it, had already done some reading over w/end and had decided to do an upgrade.
All went well 45 mins start to finish only had one program to remove before starting Onyx 2.05 not compatable, waiting for an new version.
Now working my way round to try and find the changes, very impressed so far runs very quick and shuts down even quicker, easyist upgrade I have ever done a world away from MS, and a lot easier than Tiger to Leopard.
Regards
RogerP
Thanks, Roger. I can see this forum becoming converted to Macs and Donald Russell meat yet. ;D
I can afford the food but not the Big Mac >:D
I've got fed up of waiting for mine thought I'd use up the last of my D/L allowance ;D
Quote from: Den on Aug 31, 2009, 17:42:20
I can afford the food but not the Big Mac >:D
;D
The Mac itself is bad enough, Den, but replacing all the software and fonts is where the pain really comes.
Quote from: stevethegas on Aug 31, 2009, 17:42:53
I've got fed up of waiting for mine thought I'd use up the last of my D/L allowance ;D
I've got some spare, Steve. :)
:thumb: Send it over
It should get there tomorrow. ;)
A Mac is three times the price of a PC but I am not convinced it is three times better. When a person is set up for Windows on all their computers I can't see the point of changing over on one. I will give Windows 7 a chance and see how I get on. I took a lot of persuading to move from an Amiga 1200 to a PC and have been with them ever since and must be one of the few people that admit that I like Vista and think we owe a great debt to Microsoft for making computing available for the masses. ;D
Computing always has been since the mid 80s, Den, MS didn't do that. It was just a question of which OS won the war and, initially, that was Windows. I sense a turn in the tide, though, and I believe that Macs and Linux may yet come to dominate outside the corporate world.
Put another way, I think we owe more to Intel than MS.
I used to love the Amiga Workbench and thought that Windows 95 was pinched from it. Until Apple stop being greedy and sell the Mac for a realistic price then I believe it will always be a bit player. Yes it is superb but not three to four times better than Windows 7 and as for Linux that is in the main for Geeks.
I know that it is the inthing to slag off everything that Microsoft do but I don't subscribe to that. I have noticed that if anyone updates their program then it's a good thing but if Microsoft do it they are criticised for having a faulty product. I much prefer IE8 over Firefox and I am forever being told how good Opera or Chrome is, but in the end we stay with whatever suits us.
I'm not arguing against your choice, Den, just saying that the real innovation has come elsewhere. Like Amstrad, MS know just what they are doing.
Quote from: Den on Aug 31, 2009, 18:06:08
A Mac is three times the price of a PC but I am not convinced it is three times better.
You're right, it's significantly more than 3 times better. ;)
Quote from: Rik on Aug 31, 2009, 17:49:07
;D
The Mac itself is bad enough, Den, but replacing all the software and fonts is where the pain really comes.
I know you're into your typesetting, but how many fonts do you actually use on a regular basis though, Rik? I must have at least 150 on my PC, and have never used probably 95% of them. As far as programs goes, my essential would be MS Office, but if it came with an image editor equivalent to Photoshop, and a sounds editor equivalent to Sony Soundforge, or Adobe Audition, I could probably get by on the rest. Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to go out and buy one. They are prohibitively expensive for what would essentially be a new toy, given than I have a perfectly good computer as it is, but in a couple of years, when this one has had it's day, I would certainly look seriously at a Mac.
Quote from: Sebby on Aug 31, 2009, 21:21:40
You're right, it's significantly more than 3 times better. ;)
Anyone who's laid out that sort of money for one would say that! ;D
No one forced me to lay out the money - I had a perfectly good PC. I've seen the light, you will one day. ;)
From my own perspective I am doubtful whether I would buy/use another MS OS unless it was all I could afford. I have to decide in the next year whether to change another PC to Mac. My wife struggles with the two different OS's i.e work MS and at home mac whilst the youngster likes his games and a PC surely for gaming makes economic sense
Quote from: Simon on Aug 31, 2009, 21:25:27
I know you're into your typesetting, but how many fonts do you actually use on a regular basis though, Rik?
I restrict the number of active fonts to around 100-120, and those are used regularly. When I'm doing any setting, though, I will augment or replace. As a bare minimum, I could probably get by with a couple of thousand now.
Is this site any use http://www.erik.co.uk/font/ ?
Not for me, thanks, Steve. The fonts I use are professional ones, for example they all have kerning tables supplied. Amateur fonts lack these and, usually, the extended character sets, ornaments and alternatives which are bread and butter to my use of type.
Its all Dutch to me anyway ::)
Their fonts are not too different. Now Farsi fonts are a whole new ball game. ;D
Quote from: Sebby on Aug 31, 2009, 21:26:44
No one forced me to lay out the money - I had a perfectly good PC. I've seen the light, you will one day. ;)
The interesting thing is that most Mac users use them as a matter of choice, not because it's what they were given at work, or because it's on offer at PC World/Tesco wherever. First thing most PC users tell you is how much (little) it cost, closely followed by, 'do you know how to fix....' A Mac user will tell you of the interesting things he/she can do with it...
The real reason for the dominance of the PC is not because they were better, but because of the amount of pirate software that was around. Buy a Mac and you had to factor in the cost of software since there was little, if any, pirate stuff for Macs. Buy a PC and in effect all you paid for was the machine - software came 'free'.
Those of us old enough to remember the history of computing are far less inclined to regard Gates as a genius. A rapacious businessman maybe, but not a genius.
Quote from: Tacitus on Sep 01, 2009, 09:49:40
Those of us old enough to remember the history of computing are far less inclined to regard Gates as a genius. A rapacious businessman maybe, but not a genius.
With business practices not that far removed from those of the Mafia.
Quote from: Rik on Sep 01, 2009, 09:52:38
With business practices not that far removed from those of the Mafia.
Absolutely. It's the drug dealer's method. Allow piracy (free drugs) until it becomes indispensable (addicted) and, then ratchet up the price when you have no option but to buy. Kill all opposition - literally in the case of the drug dealers or, in the case of MS, the famous 'knife the baby' saga when they threatened Apple with the withdrawal of Office Mac in order to kill Quicktime so that MS media had a free run.
Or of course there's 'plays for sure' with our 'partners' who were unceremoniously dumped when MS brought out the Zune. Anybody ever seen one in the wild?
Now of course it's Saint Bill as he goes round the world giving to charity. Some of it useful, other, like free computers loaded with MS products more in order to cement his monopoly. As someone said, if you're really interested in charity you don't feel the need to issue a load of press releases to publicise the fact. Doing good is its own reward.
Ethics and Gates don't belong in the same sentence.
Unless Pearly is also present. ;)
Well I've done the Macbook and the iMac via the upgrade method and apart from one mail plugin (widemail) not compatible all seems well. The desktop and finder performance increase is very noticeable
Don't know if anyone's seen this. (http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/welcome_to_macintosh_doc_hits_apples_itunes_store_retail_dvd_racks/)It might be of interest not only to Mac users, but also to anyone interested in the history of computing.
[Edit] Just checked to place my order (!) and, as it's a US import it may not play on UK DVD players
Link asleep right now. :(
Quote from: Rik on Sep 01, 2009, 15:40:00
Link asleep right now. :(
Looks like it's back as of 19.09 pm.
Quote from: stevethegas on Sep 01, 2009, 10:30:11
Well I've done the Macbook and the iMac via the upgrade method and apart from one mail plugin (widemail) not compatible all seems well. The desktop and finder performance increase is very noticeable
Same here. I'm hoping Widemail is going to be updated soon.
Quote from: Tacitus on Sep 01, 2009, 19:10:29
Looks like it's back as of 19.09 pm.
So it is. :thumb:
Quote from: Sebby on Sep 01, 2009, 19:18:33
Same here. I'm hoping Widemail is going to be updated soon.
Letterbox is the same as well, both are promising to update,although I am having to use Entourage still as works exchange server and SL don't like each other,in fact it crashes the mail.app when you try to setup the account
I like the way you can place for instance the applications folder on the right side of the dock and display them as a stack a bit like Windows I suppose but unlike Windows if I don't like it I can get rid of it
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Yep, great feature.
There is a very comprehensive review of Snow Leopard here (http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars) well worth a read.
PS my pre-ordered copy from Apple has still not arrived but that's probably down to the Royal Mail chaos and the use of 2nd class post :mad:
Quote from: Sebby on Sep 01, 2009, 19:18:33
Same here. I'm hoping Widemail is going to be updated soon.
Letterbox which is similar to the wide mail plug in may be out for SL on September 8th
Thanks, Steve. :thumb:
Quote from: stevethegas on Sep 05, 2009, 23:05:58
Letterbox which is similar to the wide mail plug in may be out for SL on September 8th
There's a 64 bit beta out http://harnly.net/2009/software/letterbox/letterbox-beta-4-for-snow-leopard/#more-227
PS I am trying it out I'll report any issues ;D
Funny that - I just installed it before coming onto IDNetters. It seems to be working fine. :)