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Title: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Glenn on Aug 15, 2009, 14:43:55
Haringey council have rejected the proposal for cabinets

http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=199502

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/news/nimby-block-on-superfast-broadband-803.html
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Aug 15, 2009, 14:44:47
Which could put a spoke in BT's plans. :(
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Sebby on Aug 15, 2009, 14:50:35
They're probably secretly happy about that!
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Aug 15, 2009, 14:55:14
It gives them more time to invent new jargon. ;D
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Colin Burns on Sep 08, 2009, 19:00:02
i just like the part where the box is already installed
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Sep 08, 2009, 19:02:39
Ah, but it's an empty box. ;D
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Colin Burns on Sep 08, 2009, 19:26:08
like the rest of BTs exchanges then aswell
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: drummer on Sep 08, 2009, 19:27:08
Flipping 'eck, the proposed cabinets are pretty large items of street furniture and are taller than me!  I live in a conservation area and I suspect the reaction round here to these cabinets will be the same as Haringey's.

Perhaps Openreach need to be a bit creative when scouting for locations as I can't see this decision being a one-off.
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Sep 08, 2009, 19:30:52
It won't be. Living in a 'smart' area may condemn people to poor ADSL as things stand.
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Glenn on Sep 08, 2009, 19:32:07
My front garden is available to site one.
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Sep 08, 2009, 19:33:43
I've earmarked a corner of the footpath at the back of the house. ;D
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Colin Burns on Sep 08, 2009, 19:34:47
Quote from: drummer on Sep 08, 2009, 19:27:08
Flipping 'eck, the proposed cabinets are pretty large items of street furniture and are taller than me!  I live in a conservation area and I suspect the reaction round here to these cabinets will be the same as Haringey's.

Perhaps Openreach need to be a bit creative when scouting for locations as I can't see this decision being a one-off.

they could make them look like trees
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Glenn on Sep 08, 2009, 19:36:33
Like these http://www.prattfamily.demon.co.uk/mikep/photind.htm
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Sep 08, 2009, 19:40:00
At Christmas, they could break all the fibres open and use them as decorations. ;D
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Colin Burns on Sep 08, 2009, 19:57:34
good idea dont think they would be as effective though
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Sebby on Sep 09, 2009, 01:02:54
Quote from: Rik on Sep 08, 2009, 19:40:00
At Christmas, they could break all the fibres open and use them as decorations. ;D

Would that interfere with our copper like Christmas trees do? ;)
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Sep 09, 2009, 10:17:52
You bet. :)
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Gary on Sep 15, 2009, 18:27:13
I'm in a conservation area as well, brilliant  :( 
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Sep 15, 2009, 18:28:44
It's OK, Gary, here we're in a conversation area. ;D
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Gary on Sep 15, 2009, 18:33:07
Quote from: Rik on Sep 15, 2009, 18:28:44
It's OK, Gary, here we're in a conversation area. ;D
I'm in a time warp area where the average age is older than the planet I think. I bet those cabinets will be rejected country wide, they are huge  :shake: Why cannot BT run things more underground like in other countries.
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Sep 15, 2009, 18:45:20
Cost?
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Ann on Sep 16, 2009, 09:27:10
Fascinating pictures, Glenn.  I didn't realise the lengths the companies go to to hide their installations.
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Gary on Sep 16, 2009, 10:33:16
Quote from: Rik on Sep 15, 2009, 18:45:20
Cost?
But other countries do it, so why can't BT? I think I said that already  ;D

Cost is only prohibitive if you don't think laterally, so many countries used the sewer systems to run fibre as the infrastructure was there, I'm sure there would be ways of doing this here as well
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Colin Burns on Sep 22, 2009, 17:28:42
would you really want to upset the inhabitants of rats...

then of course there is the fact that are sewer system in this country is probably completly nackered as they dont repair them till they cave in :dunno:
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Sep 22, 2009, 17:30:35
I was talking to a BT engineer this morning. They are, apparently, getting an increase in rat damage to cables at distribution points which, in Milton Keynes, are often put in bin cupboards...
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Colin Burns on Sep 22, 2009, 18:03:09
as the local councils budgets get reduced its going to happen more and more.
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Sep 22, 2009, 18:03:37
Nice thought for all of us, Colin. :(
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Colin Burns on Sep 22, 2009, 18:05:01
Yup should be interesting to see how long my Contract at work will last due to evil cut backs
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Sebby on Sep 22, 2009, 19:34:26
Bin cupboards... Bright idea. ::)
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Technical Ben on Sep 22, 2009, 21:38:57
It's hard to make most things rat proof. But most good seals/doors and brick walls would do. Things I guess BT cannot afford, or don't think are worth investing in, like the infrastructure in general.
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Simon on Sep 22, 2009, 21:45:59
Are you sure they're rats, not hamsters?  Filligree, even?  :)x
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Sebby on Sep 22, 2009, 22:38:39
:hehe:
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: axisofevil on Sep 22, 2009, 22:39:01
Quote from: Rik on Sep 22, 2009, 17:30:35
I was talking to a BT engineer this morning. They are, apparently, getting an increase in rat damage to cables at distribution points which, in Milton Keynes, are often put in bin cupboards...

They put rats in bins?
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Sep 23, 2009, 09:29:00
It saves them having to find their own way in. ;D
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Technical Ben on Sep 23, 2009, 18:04:14
I suppose BT are thinking forward... putting the copper in the bin ahead of time. :I'll get my coat smiley:
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Sep 23, 2009, 18:06:27
:grn: ;D
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: dujas on Oct 08, 2009, 14:09:14
For those in Muswell Hill lucky enough to not have their cabinet planning application rejected, it's quite a speed boost:

QuoteThat first customer was an existing TalkTalk subscriber and it took us about three hours to convert their current copper-based ADSL connection to fibre-based VDSL one. Obviously, it's only been live for a few days but the lucky first customer has gone from an average download speed of 5.3Mbps to 32Mbps! Encouraged by this result, we went on to connect two more customers with another following later today.
Source (http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2009/10/03/uk-isp-talktalk-connects-first-fibre-optic-fttc-broadband-trialist.html?cpage=18)

Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Rik on Oct 08, 2009, 14:10:43
Gimme, gimme. :)
Title: Re: Muswell Hill FTTC planning refused
Post by: Sebby on Oct 09, 2009, 13:41:23
I didn't know you were a Britney Spears fan, Rik. ;D