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Title: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 11, 2009, 22:55:45
Quite like the look of these.  Anyone got one, or any other Blackberry?  Would you recommend?  Can you import phone book, etc, from a Nokia?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 11, 2009, 23:00:28
I've not, but i've used a nokia e71 recently and even with my fat fingers found it easy to use. I had it hooked up to my work email in less than 5 mins.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 11, 2009, 23:07:12
The Storm is all touchscreen, Lance.  I know I said I'd never go for one, but I can't see me getting on with the small keys on the other models.  Will look at the Nokia.  :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 11, 2009, 23:10:41
I had use of the nokia when in belgium last week. When i first saw it i thought exactly the same as you about the small buttons but in practice it wasn't a problem.

When i played with the Storm in a shop, i really didn't like the touch screen. I would rather it didn't try to feel like pressing a normal button and was solid like an iphone.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 11, 2009, 23:20:03
You mean, there's 'give' in the screen?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 12, 2009, 08:49:03
Yep :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 09:44:30
Looking at the E71 now.  Need to see one 'in the flesh', really, to get a better idea of the size of the keys.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 12, 2009, 09:49:30
Get a netbook, problem solved. ;)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 10:38:20
It would be something else to carry round, and there's no wi-fi where I work.

Two things common to most reviews of the E71 are good build quality, and a bug free OS.  I just need to see that I can cope with the keys, then find a black one at the right price. 
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 12, 2009, 10:39:13
I was thinking of using the phone as a modem via Bluetooth.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 10:49:35
Still something else to cart about.  I'd rather have less to carry round, given that I'm swapping vehicles three times a day.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 12, 2009, 10:50:08
You could get a nice satchel to cart everything about in. :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 11:02:08
Yeah, right!  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: scook94 on May 12, 2009, 11:09:26
I have the Blackberry Bold. I don't really like touch screens but this may be due to bad experiences with the "work" phone which is an HTC. I'm not sure about importing phone numbers, but I'm sure that's a facility that most of the shops offer.

I must admit, the Blackberry is one of the best gadgets I've ever had, I love it! Have a look at Crackberry.com forums, I'm sure the folks over there can help with any specific queries.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 11:15:06
Thanks, Steve.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 12:52:32
I've just had a look at a Nokia E71, and a Blackberry Storm, and have to say, the Storm is kew-ell!  ;D  The touchscreen would take some getting used to, but I found myself making less errors than I would have without the 'clickable' screen, and the buttons are bigger than on the Nokia.  I thought the Nokia looked slightly clunky, and the screen wasn't all that big, but I found the keys just about OK, again, I suspect, with some getting used to.

My current O2 tariff can be changed to the Blackberry one, for an extra £2.50 per month, giving me 600 minutes, 500 texts and unlimited data for £20pm.  I'm definitely tempted.  >:D



Edit: Smiley markup sorted, maybe ;)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 12, 2009, 13:23:24
Only problem might be that I thought the Storm was exclusive to Vodafone...

I'm not a massive fan of Blackberrys. They're good email devices, but I find the interface so confused and illogical.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 12, 2009, 13:26:03
I was thinking they were vodafone only as well, Sebby.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 13:28:39
In what way confusing, Seb?  The one I saw seemed to have everything available from the 'desktop', albeit, mostly Vodafone branded apps.  You can get them unlocked, and debranded, I think.  Will have a look around tonight.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 12, 2009, 13:32:04
I don't mean the Storm is confusing, but the non-touchscreen models.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 14:00:05
Ah, right.  :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 17:51:59
Just bought one!   :red: :out:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 12, 2009, 17:56:13
That didn't take long. :) Got it, or MO?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 12, 2009, 18:35:11
Quote from: Simon on May 12, 2009, 17:51:59
Just bought one!   :red: :out:

You're like me. When you decide you like something, you just buy it. :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 18:35:49
eBay.  BNIB, unlocked.  Should arrive Thursday, which gives me time to sort out with O2.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 12, 2009, 18:42:27
Enjoy. :) I need a new toy now.  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 12, 2009, 18:42:43
iMac? :whistle:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 12, 2009, 18:43:17
Get thee behind me, Sebby - and tell Sue that I should buy one. ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 12, 2009, 18:43:45
No problem. ;)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 18:45:58
shouldn't you be behind Sebby, in that case, Rik?  About 35 miles behind?  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 12, 2009, 18:46:13
:rofl:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 12, 2009, 18:46:55
Make it 40 to be safe. :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 18:52:17
Can she throw a pasty that far?  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 12, 2009, 18:53:38
Specially if you've cooked it, Simon. ;D  :duck: :running:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 18:55:19
Just for that, I'll send her one.  :evil:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 12, 2009, 18:57:28
 ;D

At least you didn't say give her one.  :evil:

And with that, it's time for a curry... :bye:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 18:58:54
Kormic!  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 12, 2009, 19:27:27
I've got curry tonight too!
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 19:34:43
I wish you could buy those ice creams in the fruits that they do in Indian restaurants.  That's the best bit!  Apart from the ten pints of beer beforehand, that is.  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 12, 2009, 20:03:31
Only 10? Lightweight!  ;D

I lost count after 15 in Belgium last week! In one bar we got free beer just for sitting outside! Getting back to the hotel at 5 in the morning and then up for the conference at 8 was a real struggle though!
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 21:11:34
 :D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Gary on May 12, 2009, 22:38:26
Looks good Simon :thumb: not sure about how updating the firmware goes on those, if its totally debranded it should update ok, if its just unlocked it may get locked again if you update it if the only supplier of firmware is Vodafone then that would be the case unless blackberry release generic firmware. Let us know what its like, I'm holding out for the N97 in June, well August after the first buggy release batch is gone though and its had a firmware update, or two but if it gets bad reviews I'll tick along with what I have, I really want want a slide out qwerty keypad so the thing can be used on a table etc, or in my hands with the screen at a tilt like the X1 but without the hell that is windows mobile.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 12, 2009, 22:40:53
I thought the latest version of windows mobile was quite well thought of?

Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 12, 2009, 22:47:37
Quote from: Gary on May 12, 2009, 22:38:26
Looks good Simon :thumb: not sure about how updating the firmware goes on those, if its totally debranded it should update ok, if its just unlocked it may get locked again if you update it if the only supplier of firmware is Vodafone then that would be the case unless blackberry release generic firmware. Let us know what its like, I'm holding out for the N97 in June, well August after the first buggy release batch is gone though and its had a firmware update, or two but if it gets bad reviews I'll tick along with what I have, I really want want a slide out qwerty keypad so the thing can be used on a table etc, or in my hands with the screen at a tilt like the X1 but without the hell that is windows mobile.

I've been looking at the firmware upgrades, and it seems that they can be made 'generic' by removing one of the files, once downloaded onto the PC, before uploading to the phone.  I'd be slightly nervous of 'bricking' it, so I'm hoping this one already has the latest firmware.  I think it's going to be quite a steep learning curve!  :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 13, 2009, 00:52:11
Quote from: Lance on May 12, 2009, 22:40:53
I thought the latest version of windows mobile was quite well thought of?

I've never heard a good thing said about Windows Mobile. A friend of mine had an SE X1 briefly, which I believe had Windows Mobile 6 (the latest), and it was pretty sub-standard.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 13, 2009, 00:53:02
Quote from: Simon on May 12, 2009, 22:47:37
I've been looking at the firmware upgrades, and it seems that they can be made 'generic' by removing one of the files, once downloaded onto the PC, before uploading to the phone.  I'd be slightly nervous of 'bricking' it, so I'm hoping this one already has the latest firmware.  I think it's going to be quite a steep learning curve!  :)

Don't worry, you'll be fine. Even when you brick a lot of devices, they're still fixable. :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Gary on May 13, 2009, 01:06:30
Quote from: Simon on May 12, 2009, 22:47:37
I've been looking at the firmware upgrades, and it seems that they can be made 'generic' by removing one of the files, once downloaded onto the PC, before uploading to the phone.  I'd be slightly nervous of 'bricking' it, so I'm hoping this one already has the latest firmware.  I think it's going to be quite a steep learning curve!  :)
I'm sure it will work out great, steep learning curves are fun as well, cant wait to here how it goes and what you think of it  :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Gary on May 13, 2009, 01:12:33
Quote from: Sebby on May 13, 2009, 00:52:11
I've never heard a good thing said about Windows Mobile. A friend of mine had an SE X1 briefly, which I believe had Windows Mobile 6 (the latest), and it was pretty sub-standard.
Windows mobile even with a user friendly front end is clunky and unfriendly, and just to fiddly, Andoid, Symbian apple etc are all much more user friendly and intuitive, having windows fire structures on my old Titan drove me mad, even the handwriting recognition was sub par to the really old hand writing of the SE P910i Running a symbian OS, that you could write like it was pen to paper. Windows needs to play catch up, people want ease of use, I guess that's why SE and HTC have their own front end to windows mobile to help people get to whats needed without PDA drama, and IE on even the latest version is dire to say the least as is windows media player. Well that's my view having played with a few, I just never get on with them.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 13, 2009, 07:25:48
probably ahead of myself, but I wonder if a different OS can be installed on these things?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 13, 2009, 08:29:25
I wouldn't have thought so, Simon, but I might be wrong!
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2009, 09:01:13
You're not thinking of Linux are you, Simon? Has Sam finally worn you down? ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Tacitus on May 13, 2009, 09:43:07
A bit OT to this thread but Microsoft is raising money in the bond market.  I'd have thought a monopoly was awash with money, but that's neither here nor there.  The real question is why they feel the need.

Could it be that since Windows Mobile is going nowhere fast, MS are up to their usual tricks?  If you can't beat it, buy it and, they have RIM and Blackberry in their sights.

Apple and the iPhone and, for that matter RIM, must be giving them sleepless nights if they are going down that road.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2009, 09:44:49
MS have been feeling the pain of late, Tac, with their first ever redundancies. That said, like you, I'm looking for an ulterior motive.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 13, 2009, 09:55:51
Quote from: Lance on May 13, 2009, 08:29:25
I wouldn't have thought so, Simon, but I might be wrong!

No, I think you're probably right.  :)

Quote from: Rik on May 13, 2009, 09:01:13
You're not thinking of Linux are you, Simon? Has Sam finally worn you down? ;D

I wasn't thinking of anything, really, just musing.  ;)

Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Noreen on May 13, 2009, 10:39:54
I thought that a blackberry was something that you picked off a bush and then ate or maybe picked a lot of them and put them in a pie with apples. ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 13, 2009, 10:45:50
Could have been worse, it could have been a raspberry, Noreen!  :)x
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2009, 10:46:40
 ;D

Well done, Noreen, 50+ posts and no-one had managed to work food in properly. :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 13, 2009, 10:49:32
Considering the thread title, I can't believe it took so long!  ::)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2009, 10:52:27
We're slipping...  :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: scook94 on May 13, 2009, 11:30:01
Quote from: Simon on May 12, 2009, 22:47:37
I've been looking at the firmware upgrades, and it seems that they can be made 'generic' by removing one of the files, once downloaded onto the PC, before uploading to the phone.  I'd be slightly nervous of 'bricking' it, so I'm hoping this one already has the latest firmware.  I think it's going to be quite a steep learning curve!  :)

Upgrading and downgrading the firmware is a doddle and nothing to be afraid of. Make sure you back it up and 3rd party apps too, then run the Loader. Only downside is that you may lose some of the settings on the 3rd party apps but it's easy enough to change them back to the way you had them.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 13, 2009, 11:47:30
Thanks, Steve, that's reassuring.  You're not planning on going anywhere for the next few days, are you?  ;)

Rik, is there any way we can trap someone in the forum, so they can't escape?  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 13, 2009, 11:48:08
I'll go and lock the door!  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2009, 11:49:10
Even better, I'll get the leg irons. :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 13, 2009, 12:01:57
:lol:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: scook94 on May 13, 2009, 12:14:37
I would recommend using the Basic Procedure until you're more familiar/confident.

http://forums.crackberry.com/f3/proper-upgrade-downgrade-procedure-53359/

Also

http://crackberry.com/blackberry-101-how-install-or-upgrade-new-rim-operating-system-os

and if it all goes wrong

http://crackberry.com/blackberry-101-lecture-12-how-reload-operating-system-nuked-blackberry

Although all I tend to do is delete the vendor.xml file and run loader.exe from the same folder.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 13, 2009, 12:18:30
I've been looking at Crackberry, Steve, and as it's a US site, I was wondering if their firmware is the same as ours?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: scook94 on May 13, 2009, 12:20:02
Doesn't matter where the firmware comes from as long as you delete the vendor.xml. I'm currently using firmware released by a Service Provider in the far east, Korea I think...
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 13, 2009, 12:21:48
It's sounding better by the minute!
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: scook94 on May 13, 2009, 12:35:10
I guess you've seen this page?

http://forums.crackberry.com/f132/all-storm-software-links-official-betas-123176/
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 13, 2009, 13:10:06
Can't see links at the moment, Steve.  Will have a look this evening.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 13, 2009, 13:15:26
Quote from: Simon on May 13, 2009, 07:25:48
probably ahead of myself, but I wonder if a different OS can be installed on these things?

I wouldn't have thought so, Simon. Possibly Linux, though, as that can be installed on virtually anything it seems! :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 13, 2009, 13:24:29
Just upgraded my O2 Simplicity contract to the Blackberry bolt on.  Not got the bloody thing yet!  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 13, 2009, 13:25:31
You must be excited. ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2009, 13:27:02
Almost as much as when he finally cooked a pasty right. ;D :out: :hide:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 13, 2009, 13:31:27
:lol:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 13, 2009, 14:06:24
I could end up with two bricks within a fortnight!  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2009, 14:12:58
Why, have you ordered more pasties? ;D :out:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 13, 2009, 14:14:20
No, I've got to have my teeth repaired first.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2009, 14:15:03
 :evil:

My in-laws received theirs today, I expect a report later.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 14, 2009, 21:19:34
Well, it's here!  Now, to break it!  ;D

I'm a little disappointed that it's still Vodafone branded, so I'm going to try the update technique with the vendor.xml file deleted.

One thing I'm having trouble with, is getting it Bluetoothed with my Nokia.  They both seem to connect, but each time I try to send a file from the Nokia, I get the very helpful message, 'send failed'.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Glenn on May 14, 2009, 21:53:25
Quote from: Rik on May 13, 2009, 14:15:03
:evil:

My in-laws received theirs today, I expect a report later.

I wasn't impressed, the pastry tasted greasy, I preferred Ann Mullers 
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Steve on May 14, 2009, 22:11:51
Quote from: Simon on May 14, 2009, 21:19:34
Well, it's here!  Now, to break it!  ;D



Let us know what the battery life is like  :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: scook94 on May 14, 2009, 22:17:03
Quote from: stevethegas on May 14, 2009, 22:11:51
Let us know what the battery life is like  :)

That can be a big disappointment if you're used to charging once a week! I have a spare battery and desktop charger and swap them each morning.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Steve on May 14, 2009, 22:32:25
Quote from: scook94 on May 14, 2009, 22:17:03
That can be a big disappointment if you're used to charging once a week! I have a spare battery and desktop charger and swap them each morning.

That's me, I am not dependent on a mobile phone, certainly I find the battery life quoted for these mini computer phones disappointing
if you wish to use their full functionality. It seems bizarre reading various blogs i.e re iphone that people basically turn them into a 2G mobile phone so they can last the day out.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 14, 2009, 22:34:20
3G is quite poor in this area, so I tend to leave mine on 2G anyway.  This certainly doesn't appear to pick up as good a signal at home, as the Nokia does.  Only getting 2 or 3 bars, when I get the full 5 with the N82.  Anyway, just about to do the software upgrade... :eek4:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 14, 2009, 22:52:53
Good luck - hope it all goes smoothly! :fingers:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 14, 2009, 22:54:56
Well, it's going...  ;)

Have to say, things seem a bit long winded on it at the moment, but I expect there are lots of shortcuts I've yet to find.  For example, coming here (or to Pals) was two clicks on the Nokia, but it's much more round the houses on the BB.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 14, 2009, 22:56:15
That's what I meant about Blackberry's having a slightly clunky interface, but I should think you'll get used to it, just like anything. A lot of it will be down to the fact that it's very different to Nokia/SE, which you're used to.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2009, 22:56:37
Any particular reason why you are ditching the N82?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 14, 2009, 23:00:00
Touchscreen is all the rage - haven't you heard? :)x
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 14, 2009, 23:05:18
Quote from: Lance on May 14, 2009, 22:56:37
Any particular reason why you are ditching the N82?

I love the phone itself, but constantly find myself getting frustrated with the tiny keys, and as I spend so long on it, on forums, each day, I just thought I'd try something else, and it's also a birthday present to myself.  :)  SE don't seem to have much to offer, and the N97 and N86 would probably have been too pricey, besides, it's nice to have something totally different to play with.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2009, 23:09:20
Sounds good - the small keys on the N82 are what put me off in the end as well. Couple of weeks to early for your birthday though!
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2009, 23:09:55
Quote from: Sebby on May 14, 2009, 23:00:00
Touchscreen is all the rage - haven't you heard? :)x

That'll be why I'm getting a iphone in a couple of months! Just been waiting for the new one to be announced!
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 14, 2009, 23:11:28
Well, it seems to have upgraded OK, but there's still a Vodafone icon in the menus.  :dunno:

Quote from: Lance on May 14, 2009, 23:09:20
Sounds good - the small keys on the N82 are what put me off in the end as well. Couple of weeks to early for your birthday though!

I know, but I can't wait when it comes to new toys!  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Steve on May 14, 2009, 23:12:43
For my own info Simon. Why did you choose the storm over say an iphone?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 14, 2009, 23:14:25
Quote from: Lance on May 14, 2009, 23:09:55
That'll be why I'm getting a iphone in a couple of months! Just been waiting for the new one to be announced!

Not long now. :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 14, 2009, 23:17:13
Quote from: stevethegas on May 14, 2009, 23:12:43
For my own info Simon. Why did you choose the storm over say an iphone?

It might sound silly, Steve, but everyone's got an iPhone.  I wanted something different, and I also liked the idea of the 'clickable' touchscreen.

OK, I've just restarted it, and BUGGER!!  Still got a Vodafone splashscreen on start up.  I definitely removed the vendor.xml file, so I don't know how this has happened.  The only thing I can think of is that the upgrade overwrites, but doesn't entirely remove the old OS.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 14, 2009, 23:18:53
I'm sure you'll suss it out!
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2009, 23:19:45
Presumably it is unlocked though?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 14, 2009, 23:21:15
If you're using your O2 SIM, then yes. Unlocked and unbranded are 2 different things, as I'm sure you're aware. Have you managed to find any guides that explain how to unbrand it?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 14, 2009, 23:25:26
Yes, it's unlocked.  I haven't really had time to browse Crackberry yet, so I'll head over there when I can, but it's bed time now.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2009, 23:43:01
I've done some googling for you and it seems that the storm can't be unbranded. All other RIM devices can be using software which was leaked from RIM and available on torrents.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 14, 2009, 23:45:17
Typical!  Thanks for looking though, Lance.  Guess I should have paid the extra to get a fully unbranded one.  :(
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2009, 23:52:30
Although i would take a look for yourself, Simon, as i read that no storms are unbranded. If some are being sold in such a state, then it must be possible!
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 15, 2009, 01:01:12
Well, this is being posted from it!
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 15, 2009, 08:41:17
 :thumb: (an hour and a half after going to bed as well I see!)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 15, 2009, 13:43:04
:lol:  Well, yoi know what it's like!  :D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 15, 2009, 13:44:34
Can't get used to the keyboard though!
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 15, 2009, 13:54:33
Is it your first qwerty phone?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 15, 2009, 15:09:17
Yes, Seb.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2009, 15:25:25
Until now, they've all just been cranky. ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 15, 2009, 16:08:29
Quote from: Simon on May 15, 2009, 15:09:17
Yes, Seb.

The P1 was my first (actually I had a P910 some years ago briefly), but the iPhone was significantly harder to get used to given it being a touchscreen qwerty (with no feel). Believe me, you'll get good on the Blackberry. :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 15, 2009, 16:08:58
Quote from: Rik on May 15, 2009, 15:25:25
Until now, they've all just been cranky. ;D

:lol:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 16, 2009, 00:23:09
Quote from: Sebby on May 15, 2009, 16:08:29
The P1 was my first (actually I had a P910 some years ago briefly), but the iPhone was significantly harder to get used to given it being a touchscreen qwerty (with no feel). Believe me, you'll get good on the Blackberry. :)

I'm getting better already.  I've now reinstalled the software three times, because for some reason, all of the default sounds went silent.  Seems the latest software version has a bug, so had to revert to previous version.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 16, 2009, 09:02:28
Are you sure it's not running on Vista? ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 16, 2009, 11:50:03
:hehe:

This might be one for Steve, if he's watching, but I'm having trouble getting the email client to 'reconcile' with my mailboxes.  I have three accounts set up, all of which were set up automatically by the BB.  One is a POP3 account, and the other two, both IDNet accounts have been set up as IMAP.  I can't see anywhere these settings can be changed. 

I was of the impression that emails downloaded on the phone would remain on the server until such time as I downloaded or deleted them on my computer, as that's how it's worked with all of my other phones with email.  However, even if I delete an email on my computer, they all still remain on the phone, and if I want to clear them, I have to do so manually.  Any ideas on this?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 16, 2009, 11:52:32
Are the imap accounts done through push email? If not, how long are you leaving between deleting the email on the pc and checking the phone. I would expect the phone to catch up next time it checked the account.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 16, 2009, 12:45:13
Hmm...  how is the length of time between checks determined, Lance?  I think it's all push email on this phone, and there doesn't seem to be any other option.  I'll leave it a bit longer next time, but when I clicked 'Reconcile Now' on the phone, after I'd deleted some emails on the computer, they were still 'stuck' on the phone.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 16, 2009, 12:54:53
I've not got a clue how the time is determined, Simon. Usually it's in the settings but if its all push it probably isn't there. I'd certainly expect the 'reconcile now' to work though.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Steve on May 16, 2009, 13:15:12
Must be the other Steve ;D I know nothing.

Presumably you are relying on the PC POP3 account deleting the deleted emails on the server when they are deleted from the PC which would happen at the next send and receive. If push email acts like IMAP only when they been deleted from the server will they dissappear from the phone.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: scook94 on May 16, 2009, 14:36:30
Quote from: Simon on May 16, 2009, 11:50:03
:hehe:

This might be one for Steve, if he's watching, but I'm having trouble getting the email client to 'reconcile' with my mailboxes.  I have three accounts set up, all of which were set up automatically by the BB.  One is a POP3 account, and the other two, both IDNet accounts have been set up as IMAP.  I can't see anywhere these settings can be changed. 

I was of the impression that emails downloaded on the phone would remain on the server until such time as I downloaded or deleted them on my computer, as that's how it's worked with all of my other phones with email.  However, even if I delete an email on my computer, they all still remain on the phone, and if I want to clear them, I have to do so manually.  Any ideas on this?

Not really, what you're describing is the way it works for me too. I haven't really been concerned enough to look into it. There should be the option to reconcile now and settings options on which wins when you reconcile, either mailbox or handheld.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 16, 2009, 15:17:08
Yes, there is, Steven, and currently it's set to Mailbox wins, which I would have thought to be correct.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 16, 2009, 16:25:36
There's no T9 on the Blackberry!  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 16, 2009, 16:28:00
Nothing predictive or an alternative?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 16, 2009, 16:34:42
I'm still busy trying to brick it at the moment.  Believe it or not, the latest software seems to have a bug, which prevents the previewing (and setting?) of the pre-installed ringtones, of which there are loads, so I tried going back to an earlier version, and the 'downgrade' stalled, so after 35 minutes of it being 'stuck', I had to remove the USB connection, which one is not supposed to do, and sure enough, it wouldn't boot up afterwards.  After a couple of involuntary bowel twitches, I had the bright idea of removing the battery for a few minutes, but it still wouldn't boot up, so, in desperation, I just connected it to the PC again, and hoped that the Desktop Manager software would do it's job, which, thankfully, it did, but in doing so, the automatic backup had been wiped, so I'm now back on the software with the ringtones bug, and the task of setting it all up again.  At least the Calendar and Contacts are easy, as they just sync from Outlook, and I hadn't got any data on it to have lost, so it could have been worse.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Lance on May 16, 2009, 16:36:06
Quote from: Rik on May 16, 2009, 16:28:00
Nothing predictive or an alternative?

I'm surprised there isn't something like whole word prediction. I used to have this on a Nokia many years go. For whatever reason though, they dropped it.

Quote from: Simon on May 16, 2009, 16:34:42
I'm still busy trying to brick it at the moment.  Believe it or not, the latest software seems to have a bug, which prevents the previewing (and setting?) of the pre-installed ringtones, of which there are loads, so I tried going back to an earlier version, and the 'downgrade' stalled, so after 35 minutes of it being 'stuck', I had to remove the USB connection, which one is not supposed to do, and sure enough, it wouldn't boot up afterwards.  After a couple of involuntary bowel twitches, I had the bright idea of removing the battery for a few minutes, but it still wouldn't boot up, so, in desperation, I just connected it to the PC again, and hoped that the Desktop Manager software would do it's job, which, thankfully, it did, but in doing so, the automatic backup had been wiped, so I'm now back on the software with the ringtones bug, and the task of setting it all up again.  At least the Calendar and Contacts are easy, as they just sync from Outlook, and I hadn't got any data on it to have lost, so it could have been worse.

Scary!!!
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 16, 2009, 16:55:08
Sweaty palm moments, Simon. :(
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 16, 2009, 17:03:15
My iPhone is qwerty, but still recognises when you've spelt a word wrong and corrects it automatically.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 16, 2009, 18:40:43
Quote from: Rik on May 16, 2009, 16:55:08
Sweaty palm moments, Simon. :(

Indeed, but it all seems to be OK now.  :phew:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 16, 2009, 18:42:32
I'll start breathing again then.  ;)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 16, 2009, 18:47:51
Only one thing bothering me now, and that is, I can't get it to connect to the computer via Bluetooth.  Serial port is enabled in the phone, and it's paired with the PC, but the PC says no serial port detected.  :dunno:  Not a huge problem, as I can use USB, but things like that can keep me awake at night!  :bawl:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 16, 2009, 18:53:05
Quote from: Lance on May 16, 2009, 16:36:06
I'm surprised there isn't something like whole word prediction. I used to have this on a Nokia many years go. For whatever reason though, they dropped it.

Yes, there is, Lance, but I tend not to notice it as I'm concentrating on typing!

The 'alternative' to T9 is a QWERTY pad, with two letters per key, so you've got QW ER TY... etc, and it works things out from that in a similar way to T9. They call it SmartType.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2009, 08:56:27
Quote from: Simon on May 16, 2009, 18:47:51
Only one thing bothering me now, and that is, I can't get it to connect to the computer via Bluetooth.  Serial port is enabled in the phone, and it's paired with the PC, but the PC says no serial port detected.  :dunno:  Not a huge problem, as I can use USB, but things like that can keep me awake at night!  :bawl:

Have you got the drivers on the PC?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 17, 2009, 12:35:46
I've spent the last two hours on this!!  :mad:  I've found out, buy travelling round different Blackberry forums, that it 'probably won't work' with the Belkin manufacturer's drivers (WIDCOMM), but it will with the native Windows drivers.  Problem being, the Windows drivers don't seem to exist on my machine, and for love nor money, I can't find them on the web.  I've now given up and ordered a new bluetooth dongle, which will hopefully be compatible, but the question remains, where are the Windows Bluetooth drivers and software?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 12:37:44
Simon, I'll send you an email with a modified Windows driver that'll work with your Bluetooth adapter.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2009, 12:38:24
Windows\system32\drivers on my machine, Simon.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 12:39:20
It won't be there in this case, Rik, simply for the reason that the Windows driver won't support his Bluetooth adapter out of the box. It's a strange old world when it comes to Bluetooth drivers, but I do have a modified Windows driver that I managed to find a while back for the same reasons.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2009, 12:42:44
Back to the world of standards again, eh Seb. :( I'm slightly curious why they are there on this machine as it has no Bluetooth.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 12:44:55
They are there, Rik, but when he tries to install the Belkin device, pointing Windows at those drivers won't work. They have to be modified to work with most devices.

Email sent, Simon. :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 17, 2009, 12:47:11
Quote from: Rik on May 17, 2009, 12:38:24
Windows\system32\drivers on my machine, Simon.

I even got it to search the Windows CD, and it found nothing.

Quote from: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 12:37:44
Simon, I'll send you an email with a modified Windows driver that'll work with your Bluetooth adapter.

Thanks, Seb, I'll give it a try, but probably later, as I've been sitting here too long this morning, and need a break.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2009, 12:47:30
Quote from: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 12:44:55
They are there, Rik, but when he tries to install the Belkin device, pointing Windows at those drivers won't work. They have to be modified to work with most devices.

How stupid. Do you know what devices they do work with? I must admit that every Bluetooth adaptor I've ever had came with its own drivers, which I used.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 12:49:00
I'm not sure, Rik. It's to do with the legalities surrounding Bluetooth as far as I'm aware. You'll find that most adapters you buy won't work with Windows' drivers, and you'll have to use the supplied drivers. In turn, you'll find that software like Nokia PC Suite and Sony Ericsson Phone Manager will only work with the Windows drivers. That's where the modified Windows driver comes in. :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2009, 12:51:09
Typical mess left for end users, eh? :(
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 12:51:25
Yep, big time. The same goes for Vista, by the way, but I've also got modified drivers for that.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2009, 12:52:32
It's why I like cables, they tend to work without problems. :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 12:53:11
Same here. ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2009, 12:57:39
If they don't, it's a simple matter to check which end is unplugged. ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 17, 2009, 13:25:20
No email yet, Seb.  :(
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 18:32:21
Just sent again to one of your other addresses. I'll PM you. :)
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2009, 18:33:06
The email is probably sitting on his Blackberry, Seb. ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 18:33:22
:zip:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Steve on May 17, 2009, 18:36:14
I was going to say its got lost in the bush. Oops :blush:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 18:36:26
:hehe:
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2009, 18:40:40
Quote from: stevethegas on May 17, 2009, 18:36:14
I was going to say its got lost in the bush. Oops :blush:

Not again, Steve, you nearly dropped me in it yesterday. ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Steve on May 17, 2009, 18:41:33
Quote from: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 18:32:21
Just sent again to one of your other addresses. I'll PM you. :)

As an aside Sebby have you used the idisk for distributing files and then sent a link via email?
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Sebby on May 17, 2009, 18:42:11
I have but this was such a small file.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Steve on May 17, 2009, 18:43:31
Quote from: Rik on May 17, 2009, 18:40:40
Not again, Steve, you nearly dropped me in it yesterday. ;D

I wasn't trying to pick, its a little early in the year.
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2009, 18:44:40
:grn: ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Simon on May 17, 2009, 18:59:41
Quote from: Rik on May 17, 2009, 18:33:06
The email is probably sitting on his Blackberry, Seb. ;D

I'm not that bloody stupid!  (http://si6776.www.idnet.com/smileys/splat.gif)  ;D
Title: Re: Blackberry Storm
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2009, 08:02:09
 :hehe: