My laptop failed to start this morning, didn't know what to do when confronted with the choices and with the clock clicking down. Twice tried to get it to start normally but still came to the message saying that it had failed to start so eventually chose to go back to last known good configuration (or something to that effect). It did a check disk and then started normally. What could I have have done for this to happen?
Quote from: Noreen on Apr 19, 2009, 11:02:50
My laptop failed to start this morning, didn't know what to do when confronted with the choices and with the clock clicking down. Twice tried to get it to start normally but still came to the message saying that it had failed to start so eventually chose to go back to last known good configuration (or something to that effect). It did a check disk and then started normally. What could I have have done for this to happen?
How bizarre.
My laptop failed to start this morning too. It failed with an 0x000000F4 and blue screened. On reboot it went into the 'Fix Startup' routine. That failed the first time and prompted me to do a system restore. After that it rebooted again and went back into the 'Fix Startup' routine. After about 5 minutes of sitting in that it booted okay.
The only significant thing I can think of is that Vista recently took 8 new system updates, although it booted okay yesterday, which was the first day after the updates.
However, yesterday when it booted it 'finished' the updates - presumably the bits it couldn't do on shutdown the day before - so today may have been the first day it booted with completely finished updates (if you see what I mean).
Or somesuch. That's just my working theory for now.
What's encouraging is that neither of you have had to re-install or lose files.
Makes a change from a few years ago. ;)
Very strange. Were any updates installed yesterday?
I think that the last thing that I installed was the latest version of SpywareBlaster but my computer has restarted since then. I just hope that it doesn't happen again, I hate it when I have to make a choice with the clock clicking down and I just don't know what to do.
Quote from: Noreen on Apr 19, 2009, 12:06:41
I think that the last thing that I installed was the latest version of SpywareBlaster but my computer has restarted since then. I just hope that it doesn't happen again, I hate it when I have to make a choice with the clock clicking down and I just don't know what to do.
If you move the cursor to another option (but don't press enter) it should stop the clock ticking down to give you more time to think.
It reminds me of the pressure I'm under at supermarkets when they're checking out my goods at an alarmingly fast rate and I can't get the damn plastic bags open.
I had problems the morning after the last round of updates (Thursday in my case), but it did start albeit with some apps complaining. A re-boot cured it and things have been fine since. I wonder if one of the patches affected load timings during the boot sequence?
Quote from: greenfedora on Apr 19, 2009, 12:23:23It reminds me of the pressure I'm under at supermarkets when they're checking out my goods at an alarmingly fast rate and I can't get the damn plastic bags open.
I remember that well, Gordon, which is one of the reasons I have mine delivered now. :)
As for Noreen's issue, am I right in thinking that some updates don't 'take' until a full shutdown and restart, not just a reboot?
Anyway, I've just done full virus and spyware scans just in case and nothing was found.
It was probably just a badly, or incompletely installed update, Noreen. :)
My daughter has just presented me with her laptop which has been stuck on a 'Logging off...' screen since last night. I had to remove the battery pack to reset it.
I'd guess that there has been a dodgy Vista update issued because Windows Update is reporting a huge number of new updates for yesterday.
'Last known good configuration' is usual the best way to go if that is presented as an option on these occasions.
My laptop took a really long time to start this morning which worried me, normally its lightning fast, all seems ok though :dunno:
Quote from: Noreen on Apr 19, 2009, 13:38:29
Anyway, I've just done full virus and spyware scans just in case and nothing was found.
I just wonder whether the update you had problems with before has a hand in this?
It's also noticeable that everyone was on a laptop. Was everyone also running Vista?
My issue was with an XP desktop, Zappa, but I've previously had a problem with XP not taking SP3 on an Acer laptop.
It may have been something as simole as the OS didn't close properly when it was turned off last.
Well, I definitely came unstuck yesterday! Seeing Simon's post about shutdowns and restarts I decided to do a proper shutdown and see what happened. The problem came back again, I eventually reached the desktop and decided that I'd do a quick save of my emails but then found that I couldn't open anything. Went to Control Panel to do a System Restore and it took ages to come up with the message that there weren't any Restore Points! Decided to shut the machine down and found that I couldn't, nothing happened, when I eventually in desperation turned off the power it just ran on the battery. So I had to remove the battery to turn the laptop off. I tried to start the machine again but nothing happened.
I decided that the best thing to do was to restore an Acronis TI full backup which was made a fortnight before on April 5, I'd been away a week of that time so thought that I wouldn't lose much. Two more disasters then struck which were my own silly fault, I connected my external hard drive to the laptop and somehow got my foot entangled in the hard drive's power cable and it went crashing to the floor but luckily was still running OK, I then started to do the Acronis Restore and left the computer to get on with it. I came later to see a blank screen and the hard drive stopped, I forgotten to turn the mains power to the laptop on and the battery had run down. :eek4: So started again and this time it was successful. ;D
Last night I installed the latest MS Security Updates and the new version of SpywareBlaster with no apparent problems, I decided to leave the Java update until this morning. I tried to install it from the link that appeared on my desktop but Windows wouldn't install it as it was "suspicious" being unsigned or something. So I went to the Sun website and installed it with no problems from there and no protests from Windows. I remembered that I had previously installed that update from the desktop link with no problems and wondered if that was the source of the problem. I've done complete virus and spyware scans which found nothing.
Thank goodness for Acronis TI. :thumb:
Glad you got it sorted eventually, Noreen. Aren't computers great! :)
Quote from: Simon on Apr 20, 2009, 10:58:04
Glad you got it sorted eventually, Noreen. Aren't computers great! :)
They certainly are, Simon. ;D However I wish I knew what caused the problem so that I could avoid it in future.
See my probs here
http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=8934.1300
I'm moving house very soon and have decided not to install the latest updates pro tem as I will need my 'puters urgently for the next week or so for contacting various bodies.
Suffice to say I am pig sick of duff updates by MS fouling up my machine(s).
I'm glad you got there, Noreen, it sounds like you had a few sweaty palm moments there. :)
I very rarely have trouble with updates, on XP or Vista, but I do regularly power down both machines, in fact, they are only powered on when in use. I wonder if that makes a difference?
Same here, Simon, but something upset one machine last week after the updates. I suspect it comes down to the complexity of hardware, and therefore drivers, in a Windows box. Patches are, effectively, beta versions.
I didn't think you ever powered down your machines, Rik. That's why people's kettles take so long to boil in MK! :)x
:lol:
I even run the Sammy of battery most of the time. :)
I always turn off my computer at night but use "hibernate" during the day.
Odd, I hibernate in the winter. ;D :out:
I could do with hibernating now! When my niece and her family visited us while I was away, the baby had a cold and now I've got it. :( It's in my throat and I keep coughing all night.
Sorry to hear that. :getwell:
:thnks:
Quote from: Simon on Apr 20, 2009, 10:58:04
Glad you got it sorted eventually, Noreen. Aren't computers great! :)
You're right, but I can't help but feel (however unhelpful this comment may be) that Vista in general is to blame. I've seen this kind of thing numerous times with Vista.
Well my problem is definitely something in the 7 updates Microsoft released recently.
I reinstalled those updates (taken out during my system restore to recover the PC yesterday) and it started failing with the 0x000000F4 again.
I'm now going to try and figure out which particular update is causing the problem.
Clearly at least one of those updates was designed after a particularly long liquid lunch. It is beyond me how Microsoft have the barefaced effrontery to call Vista an 'Operating System' when 'operating' is one of the things I've found it particularly bad at doing.
I know your frustration, Gordon. MS can be a pain, and their error messages are less than useful.
Following the observations here, I updated my computers. I used auto update for all but the two that were reported here as giving a problem to some folk. I downloaded and installed those two manually.
So far, touch wood, all seems OK.
WinXP by the way.
There's no pattern is there. :(
There is no pattern.
Indeed, it is many years (so many I can't even guess the last time) since I had a screw-up with Windows Update.
I have a feeling it may have been with Windows Me. ;D
One of the problems we had when I did TS for Adobe was that the number of variables in a Windows box was huge, and the manufacturers drivers for graphics cards and printers didn't always play by the rules. It's very hard for mS to do any exhaustive testing of software/OS simply because there isn't any standard environment to test in.
Quite. Most problems are driver related, which are the responsibility of the hardware suppliers, but it's usually MS that gets the kicking.
Quote from: bobleslie on Apr 20, 2009, 17:46:36
Quite. Most problems are driver related, which are the responsibility of the hardware suppliers, but it's usually MS that gets the kicking.
I don't see who else could be responsible though. If I have a driver and some hardware working perfectly fine together, I can see no good reason why a Windows update should stop them working.
Quote from: bobleslie on Apr 20, 2009, 17:46:36
Quite. Most problems are driver related, which are the responsibility of the hardware suppliers, but it's usually MS that gets the kicking.
These days, of course, the number of drivers have increased, eg network, wireless, USB etc. It's a nightmare to try and test across a reasonable spectrum of hardware combinations.
Quote from: greenfedora on Apr 20, 2009, 17:52:25
I don't see who else could be responsible though. If I have a driver and some hardware working perfectly fine together, I can see no good reason why a Windows update should stop them working.
Too often, Gordon, hardware manufacturers cut corners to gain performance, eg bypassing the Windows API in favour of direct addressing, say, which is fine until the OS changes something (quite legitimately) and the driver breaks.
Quote from: greenfedora on Apr 20, 2009, 17:52:25
I don't see who else could be responsible though. If I have a driver and some hardware working perfectly fine together, I can see no good reason why a Windows update should stop them working.
It's up to the hardware supplier to test for no conflicts/problems with its drivers for each iteration of the OS. That includes updates.
MS provides these facilities for suppliers and they should use them.
Sadly, of course, they don't. :(
Quote from: Rik on Apr 20, 2009, 17:54:37
Too often, Gordon, hardware manufacturers cut corners to gain performance, eg bypassing the Windows API in favour of direct addressing, say, which is fine until the OS changes something (quite legitimately) and the driver breaks.
What about backwards compatibility Rik?
The concept seems obsolete now as far as MS is concerned but back when I worked on (mainframe) OS's in the 80's we had to ensure backwards compatibility almost to the dawn of time, just on the off-chance that someone might dust off a ticker tape or card reader and plug it in.
Quote from: bobleslie on Apr 20, 2009, 17:59:54
It's up to the hardware supplier to test for no conflicts/problems with its drivers for each iteration of the OS. That includes updates.
Whilst I accept that such is now the case, I would dispute that that's the way it
should be. The OS is the 'service' component, providing the interface between hardware and software, and I would suggest it should defer to hardware and software suppliers who, after all, provide the stuff that does the productive work on computers.
Exactly, Rik. Instead they go bleating about how that awful MS thingy has broken their driver/hardware.
Serious hardware suppliers work closely with MS not only to test their hardware but also to produce correctly programmed drivers which minimise the chances of conflicts through Windows Update or new versions of the OS.
Quote from: greenfedora on Apr 20, 2009, 18:04:00
What about backwards compatibility Rik?
The concept seems obsolete now as far as MS is concerned but back when I worked on (mainframe) OS's in the 80's we had to ensure backwards compatibility almost to the dawn of time, just on the off-chance that someone might dust off a ticker tape or card reader and plug it in.
Windows is backwards compatible, generally, Gordon,
if the program was written to use MS API calls correctly. The problem starts when software developers cut corners to achieve a result. If MS had maintained absolute backwards compatibility, we'd still be using 16-bit apps.
Quote from: greenfedora on Apr 20, 2009, 18:10:46
Whilst I accept that such is now the case, I would dispute that that's the way it should be. The OS is the 'service' component, providing the interface between hardware and software, and I would suggest it should defer to hardware and software suppliers who, after all, provide the stuff that does the productive work on computers.
It's logistically impossible for MS to test every single permutation of hardware that is ever likely to be used on a Windows OS.
There is (we are told) a copy of Windows on 95% of the world's computers. If hardware suppliers want to tap into that market they had better provide working drivers and update them rapidly if they break. Otherwise the customer is likely to junk it and go to a more serious supplier.
Guys,
What I'm saying is this.
OS providers will issue a specification with which hardware (and software) suppliers must comply. If the suppliers fail to comply with that, then I agree they are at fault.
If the OS provider moves the specification on, then they issue a new specification to suppliers, but they should continue to support the old specification too. The OS supplier should ensure that new versions of its OS work correctly with any drivers that follow a specification it has issued.
Now I will grant you that there may come a time when support can be dropped for very old specifications that really are rarely used, but the time to do that is when users decide - by virtue of their moving away from the older stuff en mass - that the OS can drop support for it.
Quote from: greenfedora on Apr 20, 2009, 18:43:39
If the OS provider moves the specification on, then they issue a new specification to suppliers, but they should continue to support the old specification too. The OS supplier should ensure that new versions of its OS work correctly with any drivers that follow a specification it has issued.
I agree with you, Gordon, but MS don't move the official goalposts, they just change the way an API call is handled by Windows. If the developers used that API call, it's a transparent change. If, otoh, they decided to use direct addressing, a favourite trick with video drivers, for example, then things can break.
Gordon. I can see how your premise works, and indeed is necessary, for mainframe hardware whose life cycle is counted in years.
Consumer computer and other consumer hardware life cycles are counted in months. Totally impossible for MS to keep up with all the changes.
Actually, MS has been criticised for providing too much backward compatibility, which (it is argued) has led to a lack of advancement in OS design.
That's true, Bob, it took ages to get 32-bit apps and as long again for 64-bit apps.
And they all need special drivers. :o
Which manufacturers are not rushing to provide. Progress can be incredibly slow when the Microsoft ship of state wants to change course. :(
That was certainly true at the January 2007 launch of Vista.
However, it only took me a couple of weeks to sort out the driver issues. ;)
Guys, you make fair points but the ultimate issue is this: as a user I have suffered severely at the hands of Windows Vista. I had two machines running XP for years with hardly an issue. I have daily issues with Vista (and I really do mean daily).
The only thing that changed was the upgrade to Vista, which I felt was forced upon me after Microsoft's threats to withdraw support for XP.
I don't actually care who blames whom for the problems - I want a stable platform on which I can run my business like I used to have under XP.
If the hardware suppliers were cutting corners, then they need roasting over hot coals. So do Microsoft if they fail to provide adequate backward compatibility to cover my software, which is all less than 2 years old (most of it younger), or if they are arrogantly thinking that their OS is 'king' and dictates rates of change in terms of forcing software and hardware drivers to be rewritten to run on it. I suspect it's a bit of both.
For me, as a user, trying to run a business, Vista has proven to be wholly unsatisfactory and - whether drivers are responsible or not - I will be avoiding Microsoft in future and moving to either Linux or Apple. I would think that's an issue Microsoft would want to address. How they do so is their business but I know I'm not the only person who has been turned away from MS by Vista.
Contrast that with my CentOS servers. I take upgrades as soon as they're in production releases and I update software in a similar manner, yet uptime is still at least 99.9%. I know servers are a different beast altogether, but the disparity is extraordinary.
Interesting thread. My computer.. desktop XP wouldn't start this morning either. After a hard reset and cold boot it did start but it was heart in mouth time for a short while there.
Well, Gordon, you confirm my long-held belief that the people who have the most problems with Vista and seem unable to (ever) solve them are Linux Administrators or Apple users! :evil:
Seriously, though, you cannot sensibly compare a desktop OS such as Vista with a server OS based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. :no:
I'm surprised you haven't already switched to Red Hat as your desktop. As for Apple, save your money. ::)
Vista is a troubled OS, hence the reason MS are rushing out Windows 7 so quickly (plus the fact that they're losing market share to Apple, and thus far their only response has been some adverts that highlight how expensive Macs are!). :)
Quote from: bobleslie on Apr 20, 2009, 21:28:59
Well, Gordon, you confirm my long-held belief that the people who have the most problems with Vista and seem unable to (ever) solve them are Linux Administrators or Apple users! :evil:
LOL. Alas you are mistaken this time. I was a mainframe sysprog in the 80's, a Windows C/C++ software engineer in the 90's, but these days I'm just a Windows 'user' who can 'dabble' in Linux sysadmin enough to keep a couple of web servers running.
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Seriously, though, you cannot sensibly compare a desktop OS such as Vista with a server OS based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. :no:
Maybe not (and I did qualify that), but what I can do is compare XP, which was a stable OS that seemed to signify a certain maturity in terms of Windows, with Vista which seems to be a step backwards. As a desktop user, I can't think of anything it's added to my productivity.
In a way that's okay. It should just be an OS, largely ignored, doing a job of interfacing between hardware and software, but - for me at least - it's brought a load of hassle. I will grant you it improved with SP1 and a lot of my problems disappeared after installing that but - frankly - I don't care. I want a stable system and Windows seems to be going backwards in that respect so I'll try elsewhere.
Ultimately I may not succeed - perhaps I'm stuck in the 80's and too used to the reliability of mainframes - but I can try alternatives and see what happens.
Is there any reason one shouldn't look for something better than Windows? Even if one has to keep a partition for Windows in something like Parallels for those hard-to-do-without applications, one can still opt for a different OS for the crux of the work.
I will admit I don't know many people who've made the move from Windows to Apple but the one or two I do know have not regretted it.
Quote from: greenfedora on Apr 20, 2009, 22:30:10
I will admit I don't know many people who've made the move from Windows to Apple but the one or two I do know have not regretted it.
Maybe more people would make the move, if Apple wasn't so damned expensive? I do like the look of a Mac, but the cost is too prohibitive, especially when you have to factor in buying Mac versions of your Windows software as well.
Quote from: Simon on Apr 20, 2009, 22:53:50
Maybe more people would make the move, if Apple wasn't so damned expensive?
True, it is expensive.
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I do like the look of a Mac, but the cost is too prohibitive, especially when you have to factor in buying Mac versions of your Windows software as well.
That wouldn't be too expensive for me as I use OpenOffice and Thunderbird for documents and email. The only problematic one would be my web programming IDE (PHPEd) which I would either have to replace with a Mac-compatible IDE or run Windows in a Parallels partition just for that.
I have to use MS Office, as I find Open Office just isn't quite compatible enough for what I need. I use Sea Monkey, as a browser and email, so that would be OK, but then I use stuff like Adobe Audition, Sony Soundforge, Photoshop, Nero, and a few others, all of which are not cheap, and I'm used to, so wouldn't really want to have to look for alternatives.
Plus there is no better photo editing software than Photoshop.
Quote from: greenfedora on Apr 20, 2009, 22:30:10
LOL. Alas you are mistaken this time. I was a mainframe sysprog in the 80's, a Windows C/C++ software engineer in the 90's, but these days I'm just a Windows 'user' who can 'dabble' in Linux sysadmin enough to keep a couple of web servers running.
:hehe:
Actually, Gordon you are exactly the sort of techno-nut I had in mind! ;D
There's not much reason for anyone to
upgrade downgrade to Vista from XP if only looking for productivity gains.
Vista is a modern multimedia OS and the jewel in its crown, if indeed there is one, is an improved Windows Media Center. If you don't need that then by all means save yourself the trouble.
Even if you need WMC you can still get it with Windows media Center 2005 which can (optionally) float above an updated Windows XP Professional. It's just *slightly* less easy to install WMC than on Vista.
I'm surprised you haven't gone back to XP in the circumstances.
Quote from: bobleslie on Apr 21, 2009, 11:56:47
I'm surprised you haven't gone back to XP in the circumstances.
I felt upgrading was prudent in light of Microsoft's threats to withdraw support for XP. Although shortly after I upgraded they extended the support lifetime of XP again. ::)
Anyway, I'll go for a
proper operating system next time - something that doesn't feel like it was spewed forth by a team of loons after a crack party.
You see if I don't.
So there. :comp:
So that's going to be another Mac user, eh Gordon? ;D
Quote from: Rik on Apr 21, 2009, 12:17:40
So that's going to be another Mac user, eh Gordon? ;D
It's likely. If I can find a Linux version that will run effectively on my laptop I might try that too.
Give PCLinuxOS (http://www.pclinuxos.com/) a try. It gets auto-updated regularly, and it even runs Spotify in Wine. ;)
So it might even run your WebApp thingy.
After all this arguing about how pants Windows is, I have forgotten to post the solution to the 0x000000F4 problem I had, so ...
Installing all 7 updates at once failed every time (or at least it did the 3 times I tried it), but installing the updates one-by-one with a reboot after each one proved successful.
There must have been some contention between them, or it was possibly all down to the transperambulation of pseudo-cosmic antimatter. I really don't know but they're in now and it only cost me about one day's salary (which is worth about 3p in this recession).
Quote from: greenfedora on Apr 20, 2009, 22:30:10
I will admit I don't know many people who've made the move from Windows to Apple but the one or two I do know have not regretted it.
I'm one of those and I certainly don't regret it; quite the opposite in fact.
Quote from: Simon on Apr 20, 2009, 22:53:50
Maybe more people would make the move, if Apple wasn't so damned expensive? I do like the look of a Mac, but the cost is too prohibitive, especially when you have to factor in buying Mac versions of your Windows software as well.
Absolutely. But what I would say is they are worth the money once you've spent it and realise what you got for the money, if that makes sense! Buying new software can be expensive, but we're the ones that chose Windows in the first place, so if we want to switch, it's just one of those things. Office can actually be had for not much money at all, incidentally.
Now you'll have someone to talk to about all that Apple goodness. ;D
:yes:
I visited the Apple store in Cambridge today I can honestly say that I had a very pleasant shopping experience, they were extremely helpful and knowledgeable. I was so impressed I had to buy one (thank goodness my wife is still a card carrying member of a local educational institution.) They were even kind enough to carry my purchase back to the car park ,it is a shame they didn't pay for the ticket. >:D
Bye bye MS!!
Do let us know how you get on, Steve. :thumb:
That's the thing with Apple; it's the whole experience of buying and owning. :)
And repaying. :)
Quote from: Simon on Apr 22, 2009, 23:30:37
Do let us know how you get on, Steve. :thumb:
I am not expecting any issues really apart from exporting mail in Outlook 2007 to Entourage 2008 which is my wife's preferred software choices. You can do it by first exporting Outlook 2007 into Thunderbird on the PC and then export from Thunderbird in MBOX format which then imports into Entourage. I know it works as I use Thunderbird on a PC and my inbox transferred without any problem using this method to the mac.
OMG .... another Apple user. ::)
It's Sebby's fault; he's started to impregnate them. Watch your backs. :thwack: ;D
:rofl: :karmic:
I've got my back to the wall, Bob. :)
You're not daft, Rik! ;)
Hey! stay clear of Apple Shops. :clever:
I avoid all greengrocers. ;D
I don't think I have an Apple shop near me, but I haven't looked that closely. ;)
Inevitably, being Milton Keynes, I do.
But is it tempting enough to make the effort to get to? :evil:
Only if I don't tell Sue where I am going. :)
:hehe:
You could buy her one for her birthday! ;D
What a good thought. ;D
The PC World I looked at recently had a large Apple department Shop.
I hurried on by with my hand held tightly over my wallet. ;D
Of course, I don't want to get a reputation for encouraging unconscionable acts like buying Apple, but those who insist going down the slippery slope may be interested in this (http://www.macuser.co.uk/news/118940/pc-world-opens-apple-shops.html).
At least that's what you told the judge you were doing. ;D :out:
Sorry for the impregnation, though I don't regret it. :)x
Far as I can gather the small group Apple workshops are free and the one to one costs £70 per year with reservations made on line for both at your selected local retail store.
Hi everyone
Just reading these pages thought this might be of interest http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/index.cfm?newsid=25770&pagtype=allchandate , I am awaiting a new Apple Laptop to be delivered in the next few days , thought about an iMac but wanted portability, this will be my second apple laptop can't wait for it to arrive.
Spec as below 17 in Aluminium Body
2.93GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM 2X2GB
320GB Serial ATA @ 7200 rpm
SuperDrive 8X
DISPLAY-HI RES, GL,Widescreen
Mini DisplayPort - DVI Adapter
IWORK '09 PREINSTALLED
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They look great, Roger, but they're so bloody expensive! :bawl:
hi Simon
People say that but when you get to use them and see what you get in the software etc compared to a windows m/c similarly specced then the price looks very close.
Like the guy in the article said Mac OSX is a much better piece of software all round , I thought it was a good article and quite balanced for a PC user as they usually slate Mac's.
You would probably think oh well he's biased but I do not regret switching one bit and I bet Sebby who comes on here would say the same , you just have to play with it to use it and get used to structure, but best of all is the customer service 2nd to none I would definitely recommend them to people.
Rogerp
Quote from: Simon on Apr 23, 2009, 19:44:39
They look great, Roger, but they're so bloody expensive! :bawl:
£1761! Someone's taking the pee pee. ::)
I'd rather put my money any day into something like this (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158885).
Quote from: Simon on Apr 23, 2009, 19:44:39
They look great, Roger, but they're so bloody expensive! :bawl:
They don't just look great, they work great as well. :)
Quote from: bobleslie on Apr 23, 2009, 21:03:46
£1761! Someone's taking the pee pee. ::)
I'd rather put my money any day into something like this (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158885).
The 2 just can't be compared. When you get a Mac (notice I deliberately said when, because I'm going to wear you down!) you'll see what I mean. ;D
You go for it, Seb. :)
Quote from: bobleslie on Apr 23, 2009, 21:03:46
£1761! Someone's taking the pee pee. ::)
I'd rather put my money any day into something like this (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158885).
I went for this Bobbleslie http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=112376&pn=3#imageI could have got a mac but with photoshop elements 6 and all the rest of my software being Windows based it was the ideal upgrade instead of having a desktop. It flies and it makes full backups as well (software came with it) the graphics card is pretty good for a desktop as well, the 9700GT gives great performance and with the HD screen watching blu-ray discs on it are fantastic when Justina has got East Enders on, or I just watch TV through the built in freeview player, also I have 640GB HDD space they got the specs wrong.
Good choice. One soul saved (from apple). ;D
Quote from: bobleslie on Apr 24, 2009, 13:23:19
Good choice. One soul saved (from apple). ;D
Stop fighting it Bob. One day all people will turn from the devil that is Microsoft to the saviour that is Apple.
It is written and it shall come to pass.
Cor! ;D
Coincidence or maybe not? :evil:
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Well spotted, Ted. :lol: :karmic:
Ta! ;D
Quote from: Ted on Apr 24, 2009, 15:17:34
Coincidence or maybe not? :evil:
Damn. Damn, Damn, Damn. Cover blown. :hehe:
;D
I'm sharpening my stake. :)
Needs more than a stake.
Suggestions in less than 20 words please.
Hot pitch is my starter! :evil:
Garlic, lots and lots of garlic. :)
Quote from: Ted on Apr 24, 2009, 15:17:34
Coincidence or maybe not? :evil:
:hehe:
Well spotted! ;D
Hi
It's arrived my new 17 in Mac Book Pro, set up was easy transfered everything I needed from " old " laptop via Time Machine, automatic setup process. Easy !!!
Now getting stuck into iPhoto 09 face recognition and geo tagging, great as we have become Grand Patents for the first time, a little boy named Daniel.
Loads of pics to show off etc.
Anyway m/c is well fast and looks really cool, having to get used to new trackpad and it's multi functions.
RogerP
Another convert, eh Roger. ;) Congrats on your GP status. :karma:
Enjoy the Mac, Roger (not that there's any way you couldn't!). ;D
Its a whole new world :thumb: Don't know whether your interested but the Apple "onetoone" scheme is £77 see here (http://www.apple.com/retail/onetoone/), which I think is excellent value for a whole years tuition on any Apple hardware or software product. I've got an hour next week in Cambridge on aspects of digital photography. I am hoping to start with iphoto and move on up to Aperture. The workshops may cover similar topics but they are free. Of course its no use at all if there's no store nearby.