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Technical News & Discussion => Networking & Routers => 2-Wire 2700 => Topic started by: MisterW on Sep 04, 2008, 18:44:05

Title: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: MisterW on Sep 04, 2008, 18:44:05
I have been occasionally looking at this forum for a while and there seems to be some good knowledge around here on 2700's so I thought it was about time I registered and participated.

I've had a 2700HGV  ( well 2 actually , one spare ) for about a year now and swear by it. Great piece of kit.

I always believed the 2700 didn't support UPnP. However I recently started running a Ubuntu box and was very surprised to notice that when I ran Skype it opened some ports on the firewall. At first I didn't believe it so I put the firewall back to default for the Ubuntu box and tried again.
Sure enough every time I run Skype it manages somehow to open ports on the 2700 , anyone and ideas how its managing to do it?

BTW it leaves the ports open when Skype exits so what ever is doing it aint that clever.

Never noticed it with the Windows version of Skype though...
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: Rik on Sep 04, 2008, 18:47:37
Hi and welcome to the forum. :welc: :karma:

Like you, I've always understood the 2700 does not support UPnP, so I have no idea how it's happening, unless of course, MS have a non-standard way of implementing UPnP?
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: Simon on Sep 04, 2008, 18:47:46
Hi MisterW, and  :welc:

I also use a 2700, but I'm not very technical on it, so I expect someone else will comment on your findings, which do seem quite interesting.  :)
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: Steve on Sep 04, 2008, 19:01:25
Bizarre. looking at portforward.com you have to set up a hosted application containing the relevant Skype ports and assign it to the relevant PC.
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: MisterW on Sep 04, 2008, 19:27:26
Thanks for the interest, my you get some quick replies round here!!

Yes it is bizarre, it somehow manges to add the following Application(s) to the User defined list
and associate them with the correct PC each time you run Skype.

Skype TCP at 192.168.5.73:10207
Skype UDP at 192.168.5.73:10207

As I say it only seems to be the Linux version of Skype that manages to do it, running Skype on a Windows
system doesn't affect the firewall.

I dont know why Skype wants port 10207 open cos it seems to still work fine even when I've manually set
the firewall back to maximum protection.
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: petethegeek on Sep 04, 2008, 20:14:27
Hi, not sure but there may be a possible clue here (http://share.skype.com/sites/garage/2008/04/upnp_in_skype_38_for_windows_b.html) - see in particular the penultimate paragraph.
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: Sebby on Sep 04, 2008, 23:51:17
:welc: :karma:
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: MisterW on Sep 05, 2008, 08:03:40
PeteTheGeek,

Interesting...
That probably explains why the Linux box does it and the Windows one doesnt, as the Windows one hasnt been upgraded to Skype V3 yet.
However, how is Skype managing to change the 2700 firewall settings  ( especially without the router password ) ?

I'll try and dig a bit deeper into the Skype UPnP implementation...
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: MisterW on Sep 05, 2008, 08:22:18
Here's an interesting article on UPnp http://osdir.com/ml/gnome.gaim.devel/2004-11/msg00208.html

Maybe I'll try and have a go with my 2700 and see if it responds.
Since I'm in the office 'fraid I've got to go and do some proper work now!
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: MisterW on Sep 05, 2008, 08:50:24
Found this http://www.upnpworks.alcidelic.com/

A UPnP tool. Will try it when I get home but if anyone else wants to try it with a 2700 in the meantime feel free...
 
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: Rik on Sep 05, 2008, 08:59:48
Thanks.  :thumb:
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: MisterW on Sep 05, 2008, 17:54:19
Well I tried UpNpPw with a 2700 and this is the result:-

======================================================================
| Status: [055] - (UPnP Router Error)                                |
======================================================================
| Internal IP Address Failure -> Invalid Response From UPnP Router.  |
======================================================================

So that sort of agrees with what we all believed, the 2700 isnt UpNP compliant.

Will continue to investigate
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: Rik on Sep 05, 2008, 17:55:53
Curious stuff. Thanks, MW.  :thumb:
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: MisterW on Sep 06, 2008, 16:56:36
Well the 2700 certainly responds to UPnP requests!!.
Try the UPnP tester utility from here http://noeld.com/programs.asp?cat=dstools#UPnPTest

It definitely sees the 2700 and there appears to be quite a lot of info available.
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: Rik on Sep 06, 2008, 17:00:42
Thanks for that.  :thumb:
Title: Re: UPnP on 2700 ?
Post by: Sebby on Sep 06, 2008, 18:19:09
Interesting...