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Title: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2010, 16:29:08
Details here. (http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=20370.msg487115#msg487115)

Discussion in this thread please.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Technical Ben on May 13, 2010, 16:54:00
No? Really?! Wow. Bolt from the blue!
Sounds great.  :thumb:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2010, 16:55:06
All we need is BT to lay the fibre, Ben.  :fingers:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Lance on May 13, 2010, 16:57:05
I'm not getting fibre for years  :bawl:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2010, 16:57:44
That is a shame, Lance. :(
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: adamr8965 on May 13, 2010, 17:03:19
What a load of bleeping cr*p, still havent got bloody wbc let alone fibre :bawl:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2010, 17:06:49
Some people may bypass WBC altogether and go straight to fibre.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: adamr8965 on May 13, 2010, 17:11:27
haha so when do you reckon us yorkshire bumkins in driffield will get fttc? Maybe for when i move at the end of june?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2010, 17:11:56
Have you checked the list in Tim's link?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Glenn on May 13, 2010, 17:33:44
Some people may bypass WBC altogether and go straight to fibre.

My exchange has no date for WBC, but does have a date for fibre, hopefully a very nice xmas pressie
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2010, 17:42:35
We're both writing to Santa then, Glenn. :)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Glenn on May 13, 2010, 17:44:32
I sent it off earlier  :fingers:  ;D
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Gary on May 13, 2010, 17:44:45
Mine has no dates for either  :sigh: I might have to get in contact with the parish council and whip up some support for some kind of "we need modernisation" plan of attack, not that it will do much good I imagine.  :(
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2010, 17:48:44
I sent it off earlier  :fingers:  ;D

;D
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Glenn on May 13, 2010, 17:49:23
I may not be able to get it Gary, I can't find any BT street cabinets in my area, I think I need to hijack a BT chap to findout where it is.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Gary on May 13, 2010, 17:52:15
I may not be able to get it Gary, I can't find any BT street cabinets in my area, I think I need to hijack a BT chap to findout where it is.
I hope you do Glenn, our Cabinet is about 400 yards away.  :(
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2010, 17:54:40
Slow speeds then, Gary. ;)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Gary on May 13, 2010, 18:07:43
Slow speeds then, Gary. ;)
Well with Fibre it would be great, but no WBC date, no 3G, no fibre, our village only has BT as its telco at the exchange, our village is in danger of being left in the dark ages  :( I'm not moaning at my speeds now, but as time goes on I just wonder what will happen to our ancient exchange.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2010, 18:08:51
Rutland Telecom will move in. :)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Gary on May 13, 2010, 18:11:14
Rutland Telecom will move in. :)
Who, and do they use wet string?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2010, 18:12:19
http://www.relay-rutlandtelecom.co.uk/
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Gary on May 13, 2010, 18:17:11
http://www.relay-rutlandtelecom.co.uk/
I have written an email to the Clerk of the Parish, there is a lot of old Money here, maybe just maybe someone would like to look at the situation and think on what it means for the small businesses here etc, one can but try to get some enthusiasm going.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: cavillas on May 13, 2010, 19:49:38
I think I'll have to look for the first exchanges to change over and move there.  It will be quicker than waiting for wbc here, round about early/mid 2011. :mad: >:(
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: wecpcs on May 13, 2010, 19:56:26
Well with Fibre it would be great, but no WBC date, no 3G, no fibre, our village only has BT as its telco at the exchange, our village is in danger of being left in the dark ages  :( I'm not moaning at my speeds now, but as time goes on I just wonder what will happen to our ancient exchange.

Join the club as I am in exactly the same position.

Colin
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Niall on May 13, 2010, 22:02:57
I'd have hoped that Wrexham would get an upgrade (I say this without knowing how much it'd cost me!) but it seems a lot of near by areas are being done first. We're not even on any tables at the moment.

Booooo :(
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Technical Ben on May 13, 2010, 22:40:38
My exchange has no date for WBC, but does have a date for fibre, hopefully a very nice xmas pressie

I hate to say it. But what are the chances FTTC roll-out (by BT) has the same lack of action as WBC?  :bawl:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Technical Ben on May 13, 2010, 22:43:20
http://www.relay-rutlandtelecom.co.uk/

That is close enough for me to move to! 38mbps?! Nice... Except I don't think I can afford the house prices.  :shake:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: john on May 13, 2010, 23:57:30
Sounds good to me, scheduled for December 2010 for my exchange. It will be interesting to see what the actual speed will be as I'm about 1.5 miles from the exchange (by road, I don't know what route the cable takes). Still a minimum of 15 mbs is better than what I'm getting now  :thumb:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Gary on May 14, 2010, 01:33:16
Join the club as I am in exactly the same position.

Colin
It really makes you feel like a second class citizen somehow for actually living somewhere that is vaguely peaceful and not full of concrete  and lifts that smell of wee.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Tina on May 14, 2010, 04:01:23
Derby isn't on that list :sigh: oh well it saves me having to make yet more decisions :lol:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: zappaDPJ on May 14, 2010, 04:53:41
An interesting occurrence happened around my FTTC cabinet last week. It was being ripped apart by 4 or 5 BT engineers while a couple of suits stood over them. I tried to find out what was going on but they didn't seem to want to tell me much. I know there are people in my street that already have it (a BT trial in one case) and I've been offered it by BT myself but the exchange keeps disappearing off the list. I do know there was said to be a planning objection with two cabinets in this area but from what I could see, after ripping out the guts, of it they just put it all back in  :dunno:

But anyway, thumbs up to IDNet once again, a cutting edge product (for the UK :P) delivered at an affordable price. I'll be placing an order the next time my exchange comes up on the list.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: MikeT on May 14, 2010, 07:39:46
Am I missing something here cost wise?

My local caabinet is due to upgrade Dec 2010.

Looking at Idnet price against BT Infinity, Idnet doesnt look such good value to me.

BT £24.99/month 18 month contract. Free Hub, free install and unlimited (fair use) downloading.

Idnet £34.99/month 12 month contract. Connection charge of £47, Need to buy Modem £30+ , 200GB allowance.

I am a long way from the exchange and 2MB is about my max on adsl+ so any increase in speed will be very welcome but not at any cost, having to lock into a contract for 12 or 18 months makes little difference, you are still locked to someone.

Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Gary on May 14, 2010, 08:06:47
Am I missing something here cost wise?

My local caabinet is due to upgrade Dec 2010.

Looking at Idnet price against BT Infinity, Idnet doesnt look such good value to me.

BT £24.99/month 18 month contract. Free Hub, free install and unlimited (fair use) downloading.

Idnet £34.99/month 12 month contract. Connection charge of £47, Need to buy Modem £30+ , 200GB allowance.

I am a long way from the exchange and 2MB is about my max on adsl+ so any increase in speed will be very welcome but not at any cost, having to lock into a contract for 12 or 18 months makes little difference, you are still locked to someone.


Well there is 18 month vs 12 month, BT call Centers which are hell, vs IDNet which are clear and concise, those two things I prefer, also I am not sure how BT will use the infinity service, will it be throttled, shaped of have port blocking, even if it is FTTC, BT will want to maximise the network for its own good. Look at BT's fair usage policy unlimited will not be unlimited. Oh and just to remind you, have you been in a call centre cue to India recently when you cannot understand the accent, they cannot understand yours are are reading from a script? Its not fun, oh and IDNet email you back or call as promised, basically you pay for better CS and its problem solving with IDNet, that in itself is peace of mind to me.  ;)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: gizmo71 on May 14, 2010, 08:20:34
I am a long way from the exchange and 2MB is about my max on adsl+ so any increase in speed will be very welcome but not at any cost, having to lock into a contract for 12 or 18 months makes little difference, you are still locked to someone.

It's been suggested that if you can't get at least 6MB on ADSL2 they won't even consider you for FTTC. That rules me out unless I can persuade them to do something about the piece of wet string between the cabinet (all of 500m away) and my house. :-\
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: lozcart on May 14, 2010, 08:27:00
Does anyone who has Virgin Media (Cable) available in their area have a date for their exchange to go FTTC?

The reason I ask is my exchange (Erdington) is north Birmingham and covers a dense area of business and housing and it has no date for FTTC, this I find strange as it is normally one of the first to be upgraded. When I checked further it seems no North B'ham exchanges which cover areas where cable is currently laid have dates for the upgrade.

Are BT hoping that they can use the existing ducts already laid under the footpaths and are waiting for Virgin or whoever owns them to agree?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: MikeT on May 14, 2010, 08:31:06
It's been suggested that if you can't get at least 6MB on ADSL2 they won't even consider you for FTTC. That rules me out unless I can persuade them to do something about the piece of wet string between the cabinet (all of 500m away) and my house. :-\

Well if thats the case then I am stuffed anyway. Cab is maybe 600mtrs away but speed is 2MB at best.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: pctech on May 14, 2010, 09:07:46
The exchange I'm on was supposed to be upgraded to support VDSL2 or FTTC as its more commonly known and there was an article in the local paper but not heard a dicky bird since.

Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 14, 2010, 10:13:19
The cost is £47 for BT to install the service, Niall, and that includes the supply of a modem. You need a new router, <£50, and the prices are about £7pm above current levels, at least at the entry level.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: DorsetBoy on May 14, 2010, 10:24:10
You only need a new router if your current model does not have an Ethernet connection. My DrayTek has  Wan2 Ethernet on board, just need BT to stop messing around and actually do something about upgrading the system  ::) ::)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 14, 2010, 10:25:16
True, Dorset, but most routers don't, so it's easier to give the general answer. ;)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Technical Ben on May 14, 2010, 17:24:21
You only need a new router if your current model does not have an Ethernet connection. My DrayTek has  Wan2 Ethernet on board, just need BT to stop messing around and actually do something about upgrading the system  ::) ::)

I read that as you need one that will allow a login via Ethernet. I don't know how the modern ones work, but won't they only support login via ADSL? You can use them as router/switches, but not sure if you can key a login over lan?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 14, 2010, 17:29:07
Hopefully, we'll all get to find out, Ben. All we have to do is wait for BT to get to us.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: pctech on May 14, 2010, 23:15:44
The modesms are simply that because manufacturers aren't yet manufacturing VDSL modem/routers for the UK market.

Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: pctech on May 15, 2010, 15:22:22
An interesting occurrence happened around my FTTC cabinet last week. It was being ripped apart by 4 or 5 BT engineers while a couple of suits stood over them. I tried to find out what was going on but they didn't seem to want to tell me much. I know there are people in my street that already have it (a BT trial in one case) and I've been offered it by BT myself but the exchange keeps disappearing off the list. I do know there was said to be a planning objection with two cabinets in this area but from what I could see, after ripping out the guts, of it they just put it all back in  :dunno:

But anyway, thumbs up to IDNet once again, a cutting edge product (for the UK :P) delivered at an affordable price. I'll be placing an order the next time my exchange comes up on the list.

They could have been upgrading the VDSL switch to add more capacity Zap.

Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: dills on May 15, 2010, 16:09:28
Do you know anything about the fibre roll out in Northern Ireland? There's only two or three exchanges on the Infinity list but there's another list cabinets up for FTTC here ~~ http://www.fasterbroadbandni.com/checkcabinet.php . It is initially aimed at businesses but I'm wondering do you know if idnet or any other ISP are going to be in on this or will it be BT only?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: pctech on May 15, 2010, 16:17:18
In theory if BT build out VDSL2 to those cabinets there should be no reason why you cant have the IDNET FTTC service.

As far as I know the only other provider offering fibre to the cab but not using DSL in Virgin cable.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: quandam on May 15, 2010, 18:18:36
It really makes you feel like a second class citizen somehow for actually living somewhere that is vaguely peaceful and not full of concrete  and lifts that smell of wee.

 :thumb: I suppose Gary that we have to give some things up for our tranquil environment :dunno:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: pctech on May 15, 2010, 18:28:24
It really makes you feel like a second class citizen somehow for actually living somewhere that is vaguely peaceful and not full of concrete  and lifts that smell of wee.

And I'm sure that the locals in your area may be rather upset if BT plonked a dirty great street cabinet at the edge oif the road.

I have a space outside my house that I'd be happy for BT to use as I'd get 100Mbps then :)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: quandam on May 15, 2010, 18:59:06
Wow! Wow! Wow!

I have a feeling that I'm quickly being left behind here? VDSL, Draytek, VDSL2, FTTC, Cabinets ( Ikea?), Infinity, Cab (Hackney Carriage?), Fibers (Ian Botham's favourite?) 3G (Chewing Gum?) WBC (World Boxing Championship?).

I know things move on quickly but some of these totally mystify me, I just want a steady connection with a very nice download speed and allowance that will deal with all of my very simple requirements. I don't want to buy cabinets, hire a cab, eat fibers like Ian Botham, chew 3G gum but I may like to download the odd World Boxing Championship fight. ;)

Oh dear! this cutting edge technology is trying its best to put me on the back burner. :dunno: :(

Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Gary on May 15, 2010, 21:37:29
And I'm sure that the locals in your area may be rather upset if BT plonked a dirty great street cabinet at the edge oif the road.

I have a space outside my house that I'd be happy for BT to use as I'd get 100Mbps then :)
We live in a villgae with alot of listed buildings but also a lot of Londoners who have bought up the properties, our church predates the Bayeuex Tapestry.
 The Parish council emailed me back and do feel very concerned that rural areas, are being ignored on a purely financial premise and where I live is classified as an area of out standing natural beauty with the harbour and wetlands but we are in fact only 4 miles from FTTC/WBC  to the east and west :shake: maybe something will come of it, failing that as I have said before I'll take the Kijoma wifi ISP and have an aerial on my chimney, 50mbps down and 20mbps up with no fibre or copper sounds good, and could be the only way to get greater speeds for myself. Then tbh the telephone becomes obsolete, after all we both have mobiles.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: pctech on May 15, 2010, 22:19:27
I hope that in the none too distant future a fixed data pipe will become standard in new and older houses, like a national grid for data.

I do agree though, we have two landlines at home, one which is the main line and has a monitored alarm system on it which doesn't work well with broadband and one just purely to support an ADSL connection.

Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: joll200x on May 18, 2010, 21:26:13
has anyone got any ideas how the connection will actually be bought into the homes? Someone mentioned using a router with an ethernet connection but thats all I've found so far. I'll be quite happy with just the fibre poking through a hole in the wall somewhere and one media converter later i'll be sorted ;)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: gizmo71 on May 18, 2010, 21:51:23
has anyone got any ideas how the connection will actually be bought into the homes? Someone mentioned using a router with an ethernet connection but thats all I've found so far. I'll be quite happy with just the fibre poking through a hole in the wall somewhere and one media converter later i'll be sorted ;)

It won't be fibre to the home, that would be FTTH. :P :laugh: I gather it will be an additional twisted pair (i.e. on top of the one carrying analog voice), which is plugged into a VDSL modem. You then plug your ethernet into it, which would for most of use be via a router (I assume that in theory if you're only connecting a single PC you can do that direct, without a router).

Does anyone know if it will be possible to have just a VDSL service, without any voice service at all? Or will I still be stuck with a landline I never use just so I can have a DSL line? :eyebrow:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 19, 2010, 09:26:37
AFAIK, Giz, the signal is carried on coax and it definitely does support voices calls, just like ADSL. Existing phone numbers can be transferred to the VDSL service.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Scorpio1 on May 19, 2010, 10:46:38
Inkblot here - can't recall my normal password but managed to recall the one I originally setup way back in 2007 - the same one i couldn't recall a few months back when I wanted to ask something that led me to making a new account (Inkblot). I blame my age....

No doubt my Inkblot password will come to me in a minute but in the meantime I have a question:

My exchange (Southend) is listed as December - but there are several exchanges that cover the Southend area, none of them are just called 'Southend', does this mean that all of the exchanges will be enabled in December so no matter which exchange is your local one FTTC will be available?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: sparky on May 19, 2010, 10:52:03
There is a half decent article about this in the latest edition of PC Pro.

FTTC uses existing copper wire from the cabinet to the home.
FTTP (fibre to the premises) is the 100Mb version.

Apparently the VDSL modem also has to be right next to your master socket, which gets replaced with a different master socket.
BT have to install the modem, it only comes with the engineer.
If you need your router somewhere other than next to the Master Socket then BT can fit a BT Infinity Data Extension Kit.

Whether this only applies to the BT version, BT Infinity, I can't tell.

No costs are quoted though...........
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 19, 2010, 10:53:28
Do you want me to reset your other password, Inky, and email you the new one?

VDSL is a bit specific, compared to ADSL. Even if an exchange is activated, not all cabinets may be, so we have to wait and see to a great extent.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: sparky on May 19, 2010, 10:57:13
This article also says that "even if your cabinet is enabled, if BT can't achieve a speed of at least 15Mbs/sec on a line it will refuse to install it. Thus preventing anyone who for example might currently get 2MBs the opportunity of upgrading to say 10 Mbs.

No hope for the Rural life again.............
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Scorpio1 on May 19, 2010, 10:59:11
Do you want me to reset your other password, Inky, and email you the new one?

Thanks but no worries Rik, it'll come back to me - this is why 99% of the time I don't save login credentials but as I come here so much I made an exception - bad move! If I can't remember it later I'll look it up in my password spreadsheet (Assuming I can remember the password for that :)) and if that fails i'll ask you to reset it :)

VDSL is a bit specific, compared to ADSL. Even if an exchange is activated, not all cabinets may be, so we have to wait and see to a great extent.

Ah, so no point in me getting excited at the thought of 'up to 40m' just yet then. December suddenly seems a long way away :(
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 19, 2010, 11:10:07
OK, from the horse's mouth, so to speak:

1) Yes, there is a minimum speed below which BT won't install fibre, I can't see the reasoning behind this myself.

2) The signal is carried on a twisted pair, not coax as I thought

3) You must have a phone line active to get fibre

4) Not all cabinets for a given exchange will be enabled, initially

5) The BT installation fits a new faceplate to the existing master socket, which filters the VDSL/phone at that point

6) The supplied modem needs a power supply, iow, you need to have a power supply adjacent to the master socket

If I haven't covered anything, let me know and I'll seek out the details.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 19, 2010, 11:11:01
Thanks but no worries Rik, it'll come back to me - this is why 99% of the time I don't save login credentials but as I come here so much I made an exception - bad move! If I can't remember it later I'll look it up in my password spreadsheet (Assuming I can remember the password for that :)) and if that fails i'll ask you to reset it :)

You could use the 'forever' option on the login, Inky, that will keep you logged in by using a cookie.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on May 19, 2010, 11:11:31
Ah, so no point in me getting excited at the thought of 'up to 40m' just yet then. December suddenly seems a long way away :(

Doesn't it. :)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: zappaDPJ on Jun 01, 2010, 19:58:07
BT have repositioned the FTTC cabinet I'm hoping to connect to this month to the other side of the standard cabinet. That's a mighty move of around 10 feet. I'm sure it makes sense to them :eyebrow:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Jun 01, 2010, 20:00:06
They possibly need to run the two in parallel until FTTC goes live?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: zappaDPJ on Jun 01, 2010, 20:06:22
I really don't know, the two cabinets have been sitting side by side for a year or more. All they have done is moved the FTTC cabinet up the road a few feet so now there are 3 cabinets.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Jun 02, 2010, 10:11:11
Planning problems, power supply?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Bill on Jun 02, 2010, 10:43:38
Planning problems, power supply?

Somebody cut the cable a few feet too short? :P
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Jun 02, 2010, 10:45:55
Or that, Bill. :)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: chrish on Jun 27, 2010, 22:07:11
Hi
I have noticed today that the Openreach vans where all over my estate (Shenley Lodge Milton Keynes) i asked the guys what they where doing and they said they where laying the Fibre cable so you should be able to get it soon ( i am connected to bradwell abey). i am not sure when it will be activated but i am guessing you guys at Idnet will let me know or will i recieve somthing through the post from BT ?

thanks

Chris H
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Simon on Jun 27, 2010, 22:15:00
:welc: :karma:  Chris.

Yes, I am sure IDNet will let you know when fibre becomes available, and I believe you can also check on the website, at: http://www.idnet.net/fibre/
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Steve on Jun 27, 2010, 22:16:43
 :welc: :karma:

I did find somewhere that Bradwell Abbey is not appearing in the list of FTTC exchanges as its taking part in FTTP/H


http://www.bb4mk.org/bt_FTTP_Trial.htm

I don't have any more information but support should be able to give you the up to date information.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: gizmo71 on Jun 28, 2010, 07:47:06
I believe you can also check on the website, at: http://www.idnet.net/fibre/

You could if the checker didn't do this:

Code: [Select]
HTTP Status 500 -

type Exception report

message

description The server encountered an internal error () that prevented it from fulfilling this request.

exception

org.apache.jasper.JasperException: For input string: ""
org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServletWrapper.service(JspServletWrapper.java:373)
org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java:295)
org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java:245)
javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:802)
mobis.filters.AuthenticationFilter.doFilter(AuthenticationFilter.java:236)

root cause

java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: ""
java.lang.NumberFormatException.forInputString(NumberFormatException.java:48)
java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:468)
java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:497)
org.apache.jsp.support.availability_jsp._jspService(org.apache.jsp.support.availability_jsp:1615)
org.apache.jasper.runtime.HttpJspBase.service(HttpJspBase.java:99)
javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:802)
org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServletWrapper.service(JspServletWrapper.java:325)
org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java:295)
org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java:245)
javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:802)
mobis.filters.AuthenticationFilter.doFilter(AuthenticationFilter.java:236)

note The full stack trace of the root cause is available in the Apache Tomcat/5.5.4 logs.
Apache Tomcat/5.5.4

 ::) :laugh:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Glenn on Jun 28, 2010, 07:59:31
It's working OK here.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Bill on Jun 28, 2010, 08:07:39
Fine here too.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Gary on Jun 28, 2010, 08:32:42
Fine here as well, no good news on fibre or adsl 2+ though  ::)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: gizmo71 on Jun 28, 2010, 09:41:32
I just tried it with my parents' phone number and it works for that. Must just be me it hates!
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: chrish on Jun 28, 2010, 09:49:59
@ Steve/Simon

Yes it would seem that its FTTP/H and not FTTC if this is the case where do i stand with regards getting connected when its hooked up ...  is Ident participating in the trial or have any plans to  ?

Thanks

Chris H
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Glenn on Jun 28, 2010, 09:54:08
Chris, I think a quick call to support will be needed, they will be able to tell you if IDNet are part of the trial.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Ray on Jun 28, 2010, 11:50:24
 :welc: :karma: Chris.H
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: philnorton on Jul 20, 2010, 21:46:26
Imagine my surprise when I saw today that my exchange is now ready. I click through all of the relevant screens, and then I spot one little detail... The modem has to be installed at the master socket, close to a power supply. And my master socket was (cleverly!!!) installed in the larder cupboard in the kitchen, with no existing sockets nearby. I guess I could maybe get a spark to take some existing cabling and add a socket or two into the cupboard, but surely having the router (Apple Time Capsule) in there would result in a reduced signal? I guess there's no way of using the phone extension that I currently use for ADSL?

TIA
Phil
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Steve on Jul 20, 2010, 21:54:04
You can always run a long length of  ethernet cable from the modem to the router which is placed in a convenient location. I would have thought that the length of the ethernet cable would follow the usual rules i.e 100metres.  I could be completely wrong of course, and it could be much less as I've seen hub to hub quoted at 10 metres. Support should know.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Bill on Jul 20, 2010, 22:16:22
Another possibility (assuming a twin mains socket in the cupboard) is to connect the modem to a Homeplug and distribute the signal that way.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Steve on Jul 20, 2010, 22:29:48
I've used that method with an adsl modem seemed to work fine.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Bill on Jul 20, 2010, 22:45:06
I'm OK for power etc, but I don't think my router (3Com 3CRWDR101A-75) will operate in bridge(?) mode so I'll have to get plain router. More expense :mad:

Assuming BT ever actually DO get around to fibreing up my cabinet :fingers:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Jul 21, 2010, 09:27:22
The modem has to be installed at the master socket, close to a power supply.

Simply get BT to re-site the master socket in a more convenient location.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Steve on Jul 21, 2010, 09:42:26
I wonder how much they charge for that.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Jul 21, 2010, 09:43:26
AFAIK, nothing, it's classed as a new line installation.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Gary on Jul 21, 2010, 11:23:11
I wonder how much they charge for that.
if its a normal re-site because you dont like where it is its £160 Steve, if you have a BT friend, a tenner  ;)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Simon on Jul 21, 2010, 11:24:27
So, they charge £160 if they come out for a fault that turns out to be the customers equipment, but will move a socket, for a customer's convenience, free of charge?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Gary on Jul 21, 2010, 11:27:53
So, they charge £160 if they come out for a fault that turns out to be the customers equipment, but will move a socket, for a customer's convenience, free of charge?
Only if its a new installation Simon and FTTC counts as that by the looks of it, if its because you need it in a different room they charge that £160 which is outrageous
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Jul 21, 2010, 11:30:22
So, they charge £160 if they come out for a fault that turns out to be the customers equipment, but will move a socket, for a customer's convenience, free of charge?

That's as I understand it.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: philnorton on Jul 24, 2010, 10:36:08
Simply get BT to re-site the master socket in a more convenient location.

Hi Rik

Is that something I'd need to ask the engineer when he arrived? Would IDNet be in a position to tell me whether or not there would be a charge from BT for that?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Jul 24, 2010, 10:38:16
AFAIK, there's no charge, it's a new installation and BT should put the master socket where you want it.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Gary on Jul 24, 2010, 12:15:10
AFAIK, there's no charge, it's a new installation and BT should put the master socket where you want it.
Its only chargeable if you call them out to move it when its a line that's installed already, unless you have tea and biscuits and a nice BT engineer  ;)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: kev445 on Aug 23, 2010, 10:47:40
Am I missing something here cost wise?

My local caabinet is due to upgrade Dec 2010.

Looking at Idnet price against BT Infinity, Idnet doesnt look such good value to me.

BT £24.99/month 18 month contract. Free Hub, free install and unlimited (fair use) downloading.

Idnet £34.99/month 12 month contract. Connection charge of £47, Need to buy Modem £30+ , 200GB allowance.

I am a long way from the exchange and 2MB is about my max on adsl+ so any increase in speed will be very welcome but not at any cost, having to lock into a contract for 12 or 18 months makes little difference, you are still locked to someone.

I  know I'm a bit late, however it's worth pointing out the following regarding BT's offering.


They feel they can use the word unlimited, as a majority of their customers don't get near the limit, thus is appears unlimited, sigh.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Steve on Aug 23, 2010, 10:51:00
Very similar to their adsl packages then, no free lunches as usual.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Bill on Aug 23, 2010, 10:54:59
  • They throttle P2P
  • They have a 100GB fair use policy
  • If you go over the fair use policy, you are throttled the following month.


Going up to 300GB on 1st November, penultimate paragraph:

http://community.bt.com/t5/BB-in-Home/WHERE-IS-OUR-USAGE-MONITOR-BT/td-p/35371/page/5
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: kev445 on Aug 23, 2010, 11:04:31
OK, from the horse's mouth, so to speak:

1) Yes, there is a minimum speed below which BT won't install fibre, I can't see the reasoning behind this myself.


I think I need to clarify the above point...

<we have had to remove the quote as it breaches BT's legal terms on confidentiality> :(


Rik
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: kev445 on Aug 24, 2010, 08:12:34
I think I need to clarify the above point...

<we have had to remove the quote as it breaches BT's legal terms on confidentiality> :(


Rik

It wasn't a quote, it was in my own words... Perhaps the only thing you should have removed is the link to the document? But even that is freely available on Google.


Either way i'll respect your decision.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: HavellN on Sep 16, 2010, 11:59:58
Hi,

according to the list of fttc enabled exchanges (http://www.idnet.net/fibre/ (http://www.idnet.net/fibre/)), my local one is now active (Bury St Edmunds), SamKnows (http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/EABSE) also says the active date is 1st September, however when I do the telephone number availability check it tells me it isn't..

anyone got any ideas on which is correct?

thanks,
Nath
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Sep 16, 2010, 12:02:40
Your exchange may be activated, but your cabinet may not. Check with support. Unfortunately, fibre is not being rolled out to complete areas, like previous services.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: .Griff. on Sep 16, 2010, 12:21:35
Your exchange may be activated, but your cabinet may not. Check with support. Unfortunately, fibre is not being rolled out to complete areas, like previous services.

Alternatively he could be one of the few where the line goes straight into the exchange and can't get FTTC as a result.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Sep 16, 2010, 12:25:34
Yeah, missed that one, thanks Griff.  :thumb:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: HavellN on Sep 16, 2010, 12:29:44
thanks for the replies, I've emailed support and am awaiting a reply.

the area i live in is relatively new, the house is only 4 years old and i know the local green box is only ~100meters away...

Thanks,
Nath
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Steve on Sep 29, 2010, 22:56:24
Few more exchanges for the next year following on from March 2011

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4401-bt-openreach-announce-159-new-fibre-broadband-exchanges.html
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Bill on Sep 29, 2010, 23:00:55
John must have composed that with gritted teeth...

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/t/3907754-rollout-delayed.html

 :whistle:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Lance on Sep 29, 2010, 23:24:54
I'm going to have to move back to the other side of town. My previous exchange appears on the new list and mine is still nowhere to be seen  :bawl:  :bawl:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Simon on Sep 29, 2010, 23:34:14
What's wrong with a long cable?  ;D
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Jimster on Nov 30, 2010, 14:24:03
When I enquire online I get the messages "Your exchange is due to be upgraded to Fibre Broadband on 31-12-2010"

Is there anyway I can find out a more accurate date on when the Bridgend exchange will be upgraded?

Also when / if I can upgrade, can I keep my same range of IP address's?
I understand that the internet is presented into a VDSL modem, will thr supplied VDSL device be able to work in DMZ mode so I can still use a normal cisco ethernet router?

Thanks

Jim
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Nov 30, 2010, 15:15:30
BT don't give accurate dates, just 'end of', sorry.

You'll keep your IP addresses and, if the DMZ works with ADSL, it should also work with vDSL.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Jimster on Dec 12, 2010, 17:14:50
Thanks Rik,

I've just done another BT Wholesale broadband check, and got these Results:

For Telephone Number 01656662*** on Exchange BRIDGEND

Your exchange is ADSL enabled, and our initial test on your line indicates that your line should be able to have an ADSL broadband service that provides a fixed line speed up to 2Mbps.


Our test also indicates that your line currently supports an estimated ADSL Max broadband line speed of 7Mbps. Similar lines predicted with this speed have achieved ADSL Max line speeds in the range of 6 to 8Mbps.


Our test also indicates that your line currently supports an estimated ADSL2+ broadband line speed of 7.5Mbps. Similar lines predicted with this speed have achieved ADSL2+ line speed in the range of 5.5 to 12Mbps. Our test also indicates that your line could support an estimated ADSL 2+ Annex-M broadband upstream line speed of 1Mbps and downstream line speed of 5Mbps.

Your cabinet is planned to have WBC FTTC by 31st December 2010. Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a fibre technology with an estimated WBC FTTC Broadband where consumers have received downstream line speed of 28.2Mbps and upstream line speed of 5.8Mbps

So does this mean I can order FTTC now?

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Dec 12, 2010, 17:18:25
Check into your customer portal, Jim, it will tell you if you can order.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Glenn on Dec 12, 2010, 17:24:36
 :karma: :welc: Jim
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Dec 12, 2010, 17:43:30
Where are my manners? :welc: :karma:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Simon on Dec 12, 2010, 17:46:44
:welc: :karma:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Steve on Dec 12, 2010, 18:36:59
 :welc: :karma:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Jimster on Dec 12, 2010, 19:40:15
Cheers Guys  ;D

I logged into the portal but could not see any mention of FTTC I got this message:

To check whether 40Mbps Fibre broadband is available on your line please use our Availability Checker

Upgraded Service Available
Your exchange is ADSL2+ enabled so you can take advantage of faster speeds and more download allowance. View your upgrade options







When I run the availibilty checker, I get this result:

Good News!
You can migrate to 7Mb* IDNet ADSL2+ Broadband on 01656662***.

Home ADSL2+ up-to-24Mbps Packages
Broadband Only from £14.99 (£13.74 per month with annual payment discount)
Broadband & Phone from £24.99 (£22.91 per month with annual payment discount)
Business Premium ADSL Broadband Packages
ADSL 2+ up-to-24Mbps Broadband from £29.50
Your exchange is due to be upgraded to Fibre Broadband on 31-12-2010

For details of future exchanges please see 40Mbps Fibre Broadband Indicative Availability Dates

*This is an estimation provided by BT based on the distance from your local exchange. The actual maximum download speed that your line can support is determined by the equipment at the exchange within the first 10 days of service and may vary according to the length and quality of your telephone line.



Which is different to what I get on BT's site.
Is it worth giving the sales guys a call in the morning??

Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: .Griff. on Dec 12, 2010, 20:02:25
https://www.idnet.net/solutions/home/broadband/default-fibre.jsp

Scroll to the bottom and try your phone number there.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Jimster on Dec 12, 2010, 20:35:45
Cheers Guys, I'll give them a call in the morning.

I suppose any Cisco router with more than one ethernet port will be ok? Do they all support PPOE?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Jimster on Jan 04, 2011, 11:51:11
Looks like the BT dates for my exchange have now slipped by 3 months :(

Your exchange is due to be upgraded to Fibre Broadband on 31-03-2011
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Jan 04, 2011, 12:02:31
BT are struggling, most dates seem to have gone back 3 months.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: MikeT on Jan 04, 2011, 12:39:21
Mine went from Dec 2010 to March 2012  :mad:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Jan 04, 2011, 12:48:05
Now that is taking the michael, isn't it. >:(
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Glenn on Jan 04, 2011, 13:09:05
Last time I checked, BT say 31/12/10 for me, but IDNet say 31/03/11.  :dunno:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Jan 04, 2011, 13:11:26
Same here.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: FritzBox on Sep 16, 2011, 18:12:58
How exciting, Sam Knows says about my exchange  :)

FTTC status:    RFS date set : 01/03/2012

Will no doubt be another false dawn  :'(

Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Rik on Sep 16, 2011, 18:19:19
My exchange is running 15 months late, but looks good to go at the end of the month. I'm not holding my breath, though.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: FritzBox on Sep 16, 2011, 18:46:08
Oh and what does RFS mean?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: .Griff. on Sep 16, 2011, 18:50:32
Oh and what does RFS mean?

Ready for service.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: FritzBox on Sep 16, 2011, 19:51:46
Thanks Griff, I'm going to be ready for service in March then, I'll let my ISP know  :laugh:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: TheMonkey on Nov 21, 2011, 16:13:53
Sorry of this is a bit stupid but is IDNets fiber Broadband the the FTTC as mention here...

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/SDLNDFL

If it is how accurate is that? It says "date set" and not "expected"
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: .Griff. on Nov 21, 2011, 16:20:15
Check the dates in this thread - http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,26052.0.html
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: colonelsun on Mar 10, 2015, 23:06:53
Hi all....i'm a long time lurker but used to post a great deal on the forum. I've recently found out our village has been connected to Fibre To the Cabinet. That's great.....unfortunately I had a serious fall at the beginning of the year, resulting in a serious skull fracture, which means I have no concentration and difficulty in processing details and i'm afraid to say the IDNET page for the new superfast broadband simply defeats me. I don't really want to move ISP, I've only just remembered who they were, but I really need a rough idea exactly how much this will cost me. I don't want any personal contact either with the guy who installs the new Master Socket as I'm just embarking on my speech therapy and very ashamed I can't verbalise things properly. Can anyone help? A rough idea of the cost will be a start but it's a huge mountain to climb for me right now.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Simon on Mar 10, 2015, 23:48:47
Really sorry to hear of your accident and current situation.  I guess it's a slow recovery from that sort of injury, but it sounds like you're lucky to be here, even if you're having a tough time at the moment.   

I was going to try to answer your question, but I don't want to get it wrong and cause confusion, so I'll leave that to someone who knows what they're talking about.

Good luck with the rest of your recovery, and good to see you here again.   :)
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: dudwell on Mar 13, 2015, 10:23:48
Nobody is rushing to help colonelsun it seems and I certainly know nothing about fibre. I would just like to report that my daughter was offered the opportunity to switch to fibre but after due consideration she decided that she could do everything she needed with her existing connection and so she is sticking to copper. 
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Simon_idnet on Mar 13, 2015, 10:48:21
Sorry to hear about your accident. Hope you recover fully, soon.

We're now doing wires-only fibre installations which means that no engineer visit is required. This also means that the setup cost has come down to just £25. You will however need a VDSL router, we can supply a pre-configured Billion router for £52 (£62.40 inc VAT) or you can get one yourself.

Best wishes
Simon

Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Tacitus on Mar 13, 2015, 12:48:29
This also means that the setup cost has come down to just £25. 

Sigh.  I really should have waited another couple of months.......   :(

You will however need a VDSL router, we can supply a pre-configured Billion router for £52 (£62.40 inc VAT) or you can get one yourself. 

Any particular reason you dropped the Zyxels, Simon?  Reliability, security?
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Simon_idnet on Mar 13, 2015, 15:47:11
Hi Tac

We still stock the Zyxel AMG1302-T10B which is a good PPPoE router but their VDSL router is not as good as the Billion and the Zyxel interface is quite clunky.
S
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: colonelsun on Mar 15, 2015, 19:54:27
Thanks all. But it seems barring a miracle things will only go down hill from here on....thanks to my G.P overdosing me on Ramipril- a blood pressure medication. It looks likely my family will take over internet access and they will be making the decisions for me. But thanks again.
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: Simon on Mar 15, 2015, 20:41:34
Fingers crossed for a miracle.  They do happen.    :thumb: :fingers:
Title: Re: IDNet launches FTTC
Post by: zappaDPJ on Mar 15, 2015, 21:07:44
Sorry I seem to have missed this thread, I've been rather preoccupied with my own medical issues. I'm sorry to hear about your accident, I wish you better and hope things improve for you :fingers:

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