As an adjunct to the problems thread, it will help build the 'database' of what routers work if people who connect successfully could post in this thread with details of their router, firmware and, if you can identify it, the make of MSAN that you are connected to.
Thanks. :)
You and I have the same Rik and the details I wouldnt know where to look :blush:
http://192.168.1.254/xslt?PAGE=J02&THISPAGE=A02_POST&NEXTPAGE=J02
David, and look for the line DSLAM.
Country: {0xB5} Vendor: {TSTC} Specific: {0x00}
Is that it?
That's it. TSTC is Texas Instruments.
I am on Alcatel atm.
OK, still not sure what it actually means, though. Could it be that Alactel work and Texas don't, or vice versa?
ATM, it doesn't mean too much, as we don't know of any problems with DSLAMs. As people connect to WBC, that will tell us the MSANs that work with a specific router.
Broadband Connection: Built in modem - ADSL
Current Status: Fully Operational
DSL Connection Details
Broadband Link
DSL Line (Wire Pair): Line 1 (inner pair)
Protocol: G.DMT2+ Annex A
DSL Channel: Fast
DSLAM: Country: {0xB5} Vendor: {IFTN} Specific: {0xB971}
ATM PVC Info: 0/38
ATM Encapsulation: Routed LLC
Is this the one ?
That's the one, David. Thanks. :)
:thumb:
DSLAM: Country: {0xB5} Vendor: {IFTN} Specific: {0xB971} Thats a HUAWEI I believe
Thanks, Steve, my next job was to decipher the code. :)
There you are ;D
ALCB = Alcatel (now ST Micro)
ANDV = Analog Devices
BDCM = Broadcom
GSPN = Globespan
IFTN = Infineon (Huawei)
STMI = ST Micro
TMMB = Thomson Multimedia Broadband
TSTC = Texas Instruments
:karmic:, Steve. :-*
Cheers, Steve! :thumb:
Here's mine Rick.
Country: {0x0F} Vendor: {ALCB} Specific: {0x00}
Hi and welcome to the forum. :welc: :karma: Thanks, which router?
Hi Rik thanks for the welcome.
The router is a 2-wire 2700 Dual SSID.
Software version 5.29. 117. 3.
Hardware version 2701-100589-005.
Thanks. :thumb: That's two 2700s we know for sure about then. :)
The paged linked to above doesn't resolve for me, I'll try it again later.
Welcome to the forums Digital Dadcu :welc: :karma:
It seems to be firmware dependent. :(
Ah I didn't realise that this was a local address although I should have as it did look familiar. I do have an updated firmware on standby in case things don't go to plan when I get switched tomorrow but I tend to operate on the basis that if it isn't broke...
Me too, Zap.
Mine is Netgear DG834g v5
G992.5, ADSL2+, downstream sync 19787, upstream 1267
Suspect the MSAN is Huawei.
Does anyone know how to find a DSLAM/MSAN indication in Netgear v5?
Richard
I can't find the command for DSLAM/MSAN vendor for Netgear, tried a few of the telnet ones but no luck so far
Edit. for Broadcom chipset V4 which presumably won't work for V5? Enable debug , telnet into router ,usr/sbin/adslctl info --vendor
This my DG834GT
usr/sbin/adslctl info --vendor
usr/sbin/adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason: 0
Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 448 Kbps, Downstream rate = 8128 Kbps
ChipSet Vendor Id: TSTC:0x 400
ChipSet VersionNumber: 0x 400
ChipSet SerialNumber:
Thanks for the Netgear info Steve, I was just about to ask that question as I'm going live on Friday. :thumb:
Here's what I get:
usr/sbin/adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason: 0
Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 448 Kbps, Downstream rate = 8128 Kbps
ChipSet Vendor Id: ALCB:0x 0
ChipSet VersionNumber: 0x 0
ChipSet SerialNumber:
That's an Alcatel.
Quote from: Sebby on Jun 01, 2009, 00:10:16
That's an Alcatel.
And thanks to Steve I already knew that. ;D
:hehe:
Question. Does the DSLAM/MSAN vendor change when you move to ADSL2+?
I think it did in my case. I had to switch router brands after the switch to ADSL2+. AFIK there are only two MSAN makers, Fujitsu and Huawei. I saw this in an announcement last year of the vendors who won contracts for 21CN and what their contracts were for.
I found some DMT tool screenshots with 'Company ID ALCL' on them. Does anyone have a DMT shot with a different Company ID?
Richard
Huawei I believe are the company's that BT used equipment could possibly pose a threat to out telecoms systems national security ::) BT was asked to use another vendor but it was to late, a similar story to the USA using Chinese parts for its national grid system, only to realise of a possible compromise of that as well :o The UK story here http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5993156.ece
That's slightly worrying!
Quote from: Simon on Jun 01, 2009, 08:28:46
That's slightly worrying!
It is Simon :shake:
Router: (IDNet configured) Netgear DG834G V4
Firmware: V5.01.01 (as supplied, not updated)
MSAN unavailable.
Successful migration.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/485999583.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 13191 kbps 1191 kbps
Line Attenuation 28.5 db 13.0 db
Noise Margin 6.2 db 5.9 db
Impressive figures, Zap. :thumb:
Needless to say I'm extremely happy as low latency is of prime importance to me and it doesn't get much lower than that. The increase in speed on both streams is also most welcome of course :)
I'm just jealous, I shall report my findings next week. :)
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Jun 01, 2009, 13:55:27
Router: (IDNet configured) Netgear DG834G V4
Firmware: V5.01.01 (as supplied, not updated)
MSAN unavailable.
Successful migration.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/485999583.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 13191 kbps 1191 kbps
Line Attenuation 28.5 db 13.0 db
Noise Margin 6.2 db 5.9 db
Zappa Have tried enabling debug and using telnet with the command usr/sbin/adslctl info --vendor . I presume it will be a Huawei
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I hate people like you.
Rik enable minus Karmas immediately. or ill throw a hissy fit (i can emulate a 4 year old as i have one)
:bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
Don't worry, Dean, we suffer together. :)
Quote from: stevethegas on Jun 01, 2009, 16:27:08
Zappa Have tried enabling debug and using telnet with the command usr/sbin/adslctl info --vendor . I presume it will be a Huawei
For some unknown reason I can't connect to the router's Telnet server. Debug is enabled so I'm not really sure why I can't get in.
What telnet IP are you using? Mine came with 192.168.0.1, although I've seen reference to 192.168.1.1.
Of course, if you've done it before, it should be the same as before, unless a firmware upgrade changed it, but I don't know.
Richard
I'm using the same (192.168.0.1) so it's a bit of a mystery at the moment. I'll probably take another crack at it tomorrow.
Are you able to telnet from the Windows machine to itself in a cmd window ? (Presumably Vista run as administrator)
telnet open localhost
If not, you need to a) ensure the telnet service is installed and started, and b) Windows firewall (or other) allows the connection.
Quote from: g7pkf on Jun 01, 2009, 18:40:01
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
You need this bloke, Dean... :grrr: ;D
Thomson Speedtouch 585v6 on Huawei MSAN :eek4:
This is tentative after so much trouble.
I went through 4 cycles of the dodgy Thomson upgrade wizard, which never gave a clean result. I just stopped when I got all the way to the end before the error popup. I did this with firmware 8.2.2.5 that you can find here. (http://download.modem-help.co.uk/mfcs-A/Alcatel/Modems/SpeedTouch-585/v6/Firmware/)
I also think maybe something changed on the line in the past week, since I did all this before and couldn't authenticat to IDNet.
DMT won't do 8.2.2.5, but OrbMT will -- see the attached image.
Apparently the tone registers are back in 8.2.2.5. Also notice the identification of the MSAN chipset (Infineon).
You can get OrbMT here. (http://download.orbmu2k.de/files/OrbMT.zip)
Richard
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Thanks, Richard. :karma:
After reading various comments (both here and elsewhere) about ADSL2+ and several routers having problems coping with a certain brand of exchange equipment I decided to bite the bullet and change over to a Netgear DG834 V4 (whilst they are readily available - I have a feeling that by the end of the summer they will be somewhat thin on the ground).
So, hopefully come the new year (when ADSL2+ becomes available here) I should not have too many headaches ...
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/486708834.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
DG834 V4 F/W:5.01.09
(My old Billion 7300 reported around 7.2Mb/s)
Here are my results for a Netgear DGFV338 with a TI AR7 chip:
/bin/cat /proc/avalanche/avsar_modem_stats=
AR7 DSL Modem Statistics:
--------------------------------
[DSL Modem Stats]
US Connection Rate: 1128 DS Connection Rate: 20674
DS Line Attenuation: 23 DS Margin: 6
US Line Attenuation: 11 US Margin: 6
US Payload : 429552 DS Payload: 2249472
US Superframe Cnt : 18074 DS Superframe Cnt: 18074
US Transmit Power : 0 DS Transmit Power: 0
LOS errors: 0 SEF errors: 0
Errored Seconds: 4 Severely Err Secs: 0
Frame mode: 0 Max Frame mode: 0
Trained Path: 0 US Peak Cell Rate: 2660
Trained Mode: 16 Selected Mode: 1
ATUC Vendor Code: 54535443 ATUC Revision: 3
Hybrid Selected: 1 Trellis: 1
Showtime Count: 1 DS Max Attainable Bit Rate: 20688 kbps
BitSwap: 1 US Max Attainable Bit Rate: 1362000 bps
Annex: AnxA psd_mask_qualifier: 0x0000
Power Management Status: L0 DS HLINSC: 0
US ACTPSD: -345 DS ACTPSD: -406
Total init. errors: 0 Total init. timeouts: 0
Showtime init. errors: 0 Showtime init. timeouts: 0
Last showtime init. errors: 0 Last showtime init. timeouts: 0
ATUC ghsVid: b5 00 54 53 54 43 05 00
T1413Vid: 00 00 T1413Rev: 00 VendorRev: 00
ATUR ghsVid: b5 00 54 53 54 43 00 00
T1413Vid: 00 00 T1413Rev: 00 VendorRev: 00
[Upstream (TX) Interleave path]
CRC: 0 FEC: 0 NCD: 0
LCD: 0 HEC: 0
[Downstream (RX) Interleave path]
CRC: 0 FEC: 0 NCD: 0
LCD: 0 HEC: 0
[Upstream (TX) Fast path]
CRC: 0 FEC: 0 NCD: 0
LCD: 0 HEC: 0
[Down
tream (RX) Fast path]
CRC: 4 FEC: 0 NCD: 0
LCD: 0 HEC: 0
[ATM Stats]
[Upstream/TX]
Good Cell Cnt: 8949
Idle Cell Cnt: 808473
Tx Packets Dropped Count: 0
Tx Bad Packets Count: 0
[Downstream/RX)]
Good Cell Cnt: 46864
Idle Cell Cnt: 14935137
Bad Hec Cell Cnt: 31
Overflow Dropped Cell Cnt: 0
Rx Packets Dropped Count: 0
Rx Bad Packets Count: 0
[SAR AAL5 Stats]
Tx PDU's: 1529
Rx PDU's: 2093
Tx Total Bytes: 371925
Rx Total Bytes: 2196256
Tx Total Error Counts: 0
Rx Total Error Counts: 0
[OAM Stats]
Near End F5 Loop Back Count: 0
Near End F4 Loop Back Count: 0
Far End F5 Loop Back Count: 0
Far End F4 Loop Back Count: 0
SAR OAM Ping Response Drop Count=0
We'll see how stable it is in due course. ;)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/486725013.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Jammy. ;)
Thought you might say that. ;D
You were right. I expect to see little change downstream, more upstream.
Quote from: stevethegas on Jun 01, 2009, 22:33:23
Are you able to telnet from the Windows machine to itself in a cmd window ? (Presumably Vista run as administrator)
telnet open localhost
If not, you need to a) ensure the telnet service is installed and started, and b) Windows firewall (or other) allows the connection.
I think I am as it allowed me to enter debug mode but after that it's a page not found when I try further commands.
I appear however to be hovering between this thread and the unsuccessful thread at the moment. After a successful migration I keep losing connection to the Internet although my connection as far as IDnet and my router are concerned is reporting as being connected.
I've factory reset the router to see if that helps sort the issue out which appears to be router based.
You this week, me next. :(
Is this a wireless based connection or ethernet connection? Are your DNS servers set manually or automatically I ask as there seems to be an issue with the latest GT firmware with manually set router DNS servers . If it picks them up autmatically the problem of apparently being connected without an internt connection seems to dissappear.
Interesting. It's Ethernet for me although there are users that use the wireless facility. DNS servers are set manually so the next time I lose connection I'll try switching to automatic.
[EDIT] I've also got another modem (thanks to IDNet) on its way to try.
Tried using an automatic setting but still getting disconnects I'm afraid.
Does anyone have a ST585v7? I've read that it has the same chipset as the Netgear DG834Gv4. I'm not sure the ST585v6 has the same, though; if it does, it means it's a firmware issue rather than chipset.
I am on the Plexus WBR-T2 V 0.2 (Tenda TWL548D) but only connected at this... hmm...
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 15320 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 852 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 13000 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 11807 kbps
Will it likely improve? :(
ST585v6 is definitely Broadcom, but the CLI is different between DG834v4 and ST585v6. I'm still working this out on ST585v6.
I don't have any information on TG585v7.
Richard
Quote from: willgoat on Jun 02, 2009, 20:34:39
I am on the Plexus WBR-T2 V 0.2 (Tenda TWL548D) but only connected at this... hmm...
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 15320 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 852 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 13000 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 11807 kbps
Will it likely improve? :(
The profile is correct for that sync, and throughput is about 90% of the profile, so it's unlikely.
Quote from: rireed3 on Jun 02, 2009, 20:36:18
ST585v6 is definitely Broadcom, but the CLI is different between DG834v4 and ST585v6. I'm still working this out on ST585v6.
I don't have any information on TG585v7.
Thanks. :)
Ah, kinda disappointed then... I am kinda 215m from my exchange after all.... so it won't try to sync at higher speed in the next few days?
Ah, okay. In that case, we need to look at ways to improve sync, if possible. Could you post the line stats from your router?
Thanks.. but i can't seem to find any line stat on this cheap modem on the web interface, that's what kitz say as well, need to hook up my other modem and see.
got some data using CLI
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 855 Kbps, Downstream rate = 15
Link Power State: L0
Mode: ADSL2+
Channel: Fast
Trellis: U:OFF /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 21.0 7.4
Attn(dB): 20.0 5.7
Pwr(dBm): 17.8 12.4
Max(Kbps): 24392 18999
Rate (Kbps): 15323 855
G.dmt framing
K: 239(0) 43
R: 16 16
S: 1 2
D: 64 4
ADSL2 framing
MSGc: 59 19
B: 238 42
M: 1 2
T: 2 4
R: 16 16
S: 0.4980 3.2000
L: 4096 255
D: 64 4
Counters
SF: 187939 187937
SFErr: 0 2188
RS: 24432162 6389858
RSCorr: 557 897
RSUnCorr: 0 0
HEC: 0 130
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 109934956 71542913
Data Cells: 1716215 313158
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 1906
ES: 0 90
SES: 0 87
UAS: 18 280
Tried with my Draytek vigor110. Can't seem to logon. did get line stat out from that though
System Status System Uptime:0:1:39
LAN Status Primary DNS: 194.109.6.66 Secondary DNS: 194.98.0.1
IP Address TX Packets RX Packets
192.168.0.200 1404 1505
WAN Status GW IP Addr: ---
Mode IP Address TX Packets TX Rate RX Packets RX Rate Up Time
--- --- 0 0 0 0 00:00:00
ADSL Information (ADSL Firmware Version: 131701_A)
ATM Statistics TX Blocks RX Blocks Corrected Blocks Uncorrected Blocks
93 0 0 1
ADSL Status Mode State Up Speed Down Speed SNR Margin Loop Att.
ADSL2+(G.992.5) SHOWTIME 852000 15348000 13 15
Quote from: stevethegas on Jun 01, 2009, 22:33:23
Are you able to telnet from the Windows machine to itself in a cmd window ? (Presumably Vista run as administrator)
telnet open localhost
If not, you need to a) ensure the telnet service is installed and started, and b) Windows firewall (or other) allows the connection.
I finally managed to connect to the router Telnet server only the ChipSet Vendor Id (I assume this is what I'm looking for?) is not returning any information. All I'm getting is the Channel info ???
I wonder if that's because the router cannot display a vendor ID that is unknown to itself.(database)
Quote from: willgoat on Jun 02, 2009, 21:53:47
Tried with my Draytek vigor110. Can't seem to logon. did get line stat out from that though
You connected to 192.168.1.1? My 100 doesn't have a set username or password, and if you get into it type show adsl hopefully that should show you your stats.
Quote from: willgoat on Jun 02, 2009, 21:18:14
got some data using CLI
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 855 Kbps, Downstream rate = 15
Link Power State: L0
Mode: ADSL2+
Channel: Fast
Trellis: U:OFF /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 21.0 7.4
Attn(dB): 20.0 5.7
Pwr(dBm): 17.8 12.4
Max(Kbps): 24392 18999
Rate (Kbps): 15323 855
G.dmt framing
...
ES: 0 90
SES: 0 87
UAS: 18 280
Hi Willgoat
The main hindrance on such a short line appears to be the high SNR margin at 21db. It may be that BT have set a high target for some reason like lots of re-syncs. As far as I can tell you don't have a lot of errors on it. I have read that people are finding the Dynamic Line Management to be very sensitive on ADSL2+. I lost some connection speed faffing around with routers, but after I was connected for a few days, I had a re-sync overnight and got a very fast connection, almost too low on SNR margin. On 8M Max, after the 10-day training period, it apparently took a fortnight connection to get SNR target margin reduced.
Your line may be somewhat longer than 215m, but your attenuation is still low at 20db. Mine is 24-26 at about a kilometer distance and I get 18.5-19.5M depending on routers.
Richard
I'm with Richard, the sync should be higher, so it suggests noise on the line which DLM is managing by upping the target noise margin.
I looked at those figures for the SNR and margin for the 2 different modems on the same connection, one gives a figure of 21 the other 13. Is this misquote from router stats or is the actually figures being quoted different i.e actual figure 21 and the other the margin of 13 . Any ideas.
None, Steve. My best guess would be two routers obtaining very different results, especially as one was a Draytek.
Guys, thanks for the comment. Any idea how i could improve on that? different modem? and anyone manage to get vigor110 to work on this?
willgoat
Just to keep you updated, I've now installed the router sent out by IDNet yesterday.
Account Name DG834Gv5
Firmware Version V6.00.25
Rather oddly my stats are somewhat different than they were with my original Netgear.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/487556438.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 6958 kbps 1252 kbps
Line Attenuation 28.5 db 13.0 db
Noise Margin 15.00 db 7.0 db
I'm not too bothered about the loss of throughput if my connection stops continually dropping. It's too early to tell if this is a fix or not though.
Quote from: VaderDSL on Jun 02, 2009, 22:58:06
You connected to 192.168.1.1? My 100 doesn't have a set username or password, and if you get into it type show adsl hopefully that should show you your stats.
I mean I cannot get connected on ADSL. I am okay with the modem login and stat. ;)
Quote from: willgoat on Jun 03, 2009, 13:06:35
Guys, thanks for the comment. Any idea how i could improve on that? different modem? and anyone manage to get vigor110 to work on this?
willgoat
Simon_idnet posted on Thinkbroadband that Draytek requires the latest firmware to work, but I haven't seen anything more specific. Your symptom was like what happened to my Speedtouch 585v6 on old DMT-supported firmware. I'm not sure this is completely fixed as I stopped monkeying when I got it to go after several failures on the same new firmware.
Maybe Simon_idnet has more detail on the other Draytek user's experience.
Richard
Quote from: zappaDPJ on Jun 03, 2009, 13:09:18
Just to keep you updated, I've now installed the router sent out by IDNet yesterday.
Account Name DG834Gv5
Firmware Version V6.00.25
Rather oddly my stats are somewhat different than they were with my original Netgear.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/487556438.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 6958 kbps 1252 kbps
Line Attenuation 28.5 db 13.0 db
Noise Margin 15.00 db 7.0 db
I'm not too bothered about the loss of throughput if my connection stops continually dropping. It's too early to tell if this is a fix or not though.
Your margins jumped from 6 to 15 no wonder your throughput is down considerably
Yeah, I don't know what's going on, it's rising all the time, currently sitting at 20.25 db and my line is now syncing at 3068 kbps.
It's very odd because prior to switching to ADSL2+ everything was rock solid, the noise margin was always a constant and my throughput rarely varied from 6.1 Mbs on the down stream. It's been escalated to BT so I'm hoping to hear something positive in the next few hours as my line is currently dropping every couple of minutes.
The words "Guinea Pigs" comes to mind.Not impressed.
From what I can gather from talking to IDNet my case seems to be a one off special. If it wasn't for the fact this coincided with the switch over you would assume that something was causing interference on the line. However nothing has changed at my location and every single bit of hardware has been swapped out including PC, router cables and filter, all to no avail. I just hope if I have to switch back to ordinary ADSL things go back to normal as I'm totally reliant on the Internet for work.
That's always been part of my fear about adopting WBC, Zap. I have a reliable ADSL connection and I'll get little or no benefit from ADSL2+.
Is it worth running routerstats? Not sure which router though, it is compatible with v4 whether to use the .14(PS3 XBOX issues) or the .09 your pick. Or is this futile as its just going to tell us what we already know?
It's probably just going to confirm what I already know but nevertheless it might provide a more complete picture so I've now got it running :thumb:
What is getting particularly annoying is every time the line drops I have to reapply the wireless page in the router config (my daughter uses the wireless facility). This wasn't necessary with the Netgear v4, only the v5. The data doesn't change but wireless devices won't connect until the data is reapplied.
Sounds like a bug in the v5 firmware to me.
Quote from: Sebby on Jun 04, 2009, 17:28:28
Sounds like a bug in the v5 firmware to me.
That's what I thought, but I wonder if its a feature of the wifi protected setup on this version but even so why is the wireless disconnecting on adsl2+ connection loss unless the router is rebooting?? That's why I wondered whether v4 might be an easier beast "as the devil you know"
I definitely think I'd go with a v4 over a v5 at the moment.
One odd thing about the v4 is that it wasn't logging the dropped connection which the v5 does.
Here's my RouterStats for the last 90 minutes.
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Netgear dropped that logging function for a while, I can't think why. :(
Hi zappaDP.
You may already know this about RouterStats, but if you use the Netgear browser interface whilst running RouterStats, it can drop the noise graph to zero falsely. I can't remember if that's only on the Telnet noise graph. I run an overlay of rx sync and noise.
Anyway, I just started using RouterStats, so you probably know better than I.
Richard
The problems I had with Speedtouch 585v6 have turned out to be shoddy firmware. As I said above, 8.2.2.5 is the only one I could find that works with ADSL2+ WBC with the Huawei MSAN on my line. Thomson have seen fit to make almost all new firmwares unavailable on their web sites, so you'll have to get it from a site like Modem-Help:
http://download.modem-help.co.uk/mfcs-A/Alcatel/Modems/SpeedTouch-585/v6/Firmware/
It also turns out that 8.2.2.5 has a bad boot loader for transferring the firmware file to the router. The many error popups I described above occurred on the Thomson upgrade wizard and on another loader, DeviceFinder, sent me by DSLSource support staff.
Finally, 8.2.2.5 has an odd bug in it's browser interface. I tried Opera, Firefox and IE8. In case the router gets disconnected from your provider, I have not been able to use a browser to authenticate ('connect to Internet') to my provider. The log message ends with 'Disconnected by user'. The solution is to use the telnet interface:
* telnet to the router with the same IP as with the browser
* type ppp to get to that command group
* type iflist and find the internet interface name (mine was Internet)
* ifattach <interface name>
The router on 8.2.2.5 should connect and authenticate automatically on startup. You can try changing the ifconfig pairs retryinterval = 10 and auth = auto (probably chap but pap is also there) if you have trouble. Changes can be made permanent by changing to the config command group and doing 'save user'.
Again, when sticking with Thomson Speedtouch, good luck!
Richard
Quote from: rireed3 on Jun 05, 2009, 01:43:21
Hi zappaDP.
You may already know this about RouterStats, but if you use the Netgear browser interface whilst running RouterStats, it can drop the noise graph to zero falsely. I can't remember if that's only on the Telnet noise graph. I run an overlay of rx sync and noise.
Anyway, I just started using RouterStats, so you probably know better than I.
Richard
I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the heads up :)
My profile has now all but consumed itself...
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 1148 kbps 1248 kbps
Line Attenuation 29.0 db 13.0 db
Noise Margin 26.85 db 7.0 db
The BT report doesn't appear to have found anything at the exchange or on my line and I now don't have enough bandwidth left to browse content rich websites. I have a BT engineer booked for tomorrow but if there's nothing wrong with the exchange or my line (and I know there's nothing wrong the equipment this side of the BT plate which was recently wired and tested by a BT engineer) then I'll probably end up with a bill for the call out and no working Internet. Needless to say I now regret switching from a rock stable connection to this nightmare.
Hopefully, BT will turn up and fit an NTE5 for starters, Zap. Once that's in place, you'll be in a much stronger position to test things yourself. If things can't be resolved, you'll be able to move back to Max.
I live in hope. My bandwidth has gone up a bit in the last couple of hours so I can at least browse and spam :thumb:
;D
Is that how you view the forum? :eyebrow:
;D This is probably the only forum I visit that is actually spam free and in a language I can understand.
Wow. I must make a note in the diary. ;D
From my 'final' 585v6 post above.
Quote* ifattach <interface name>
Oh dear. That should be "ifattach intf=<interface name>"
Hope this didn't cause any trouble.
Richard
Thanks, Richard. :)
Guys it's a long time since I have been on this Forum.....well, because I am extremely happy with Idnet and I don't have anything to complain about (not that this forum is only used for complaining but you know what I mean)
What I am on about is I have just received an Email (Tim) from Idnet that my Bangor Northern Ireland Exchange has been upgraded for ADSL2+ too.
Although it appears that this won't give me extra speed it will give me extra allowance (in the off-peak period) Therefore can you give me your opinions whether or not I should take up this offer.
My worry is that when I was with my Last Internet Service Provider (Eclipse) moved my connection to LLU (without my permission) I had awful speeds and wished they had never moved my line......my thoughts at the time were "Leave well enough alone".......and eventually I had to leave them, and I am glad I did.
Therefore should I take Idnet's offer and move to ADSL2 or should I adopt the option of "Leave well enough alone.....don't tamper with something that is working"
Harry
PS I would be very interested in Rik's view of this dilemma......because he is someone's opinion I respect a lot (sorry for being a complete lick)
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Hi Harry
My best advice atm would be to wait a week or two. A whole raft of us will be moving to WBC in the next 10 days, and we'll have a better feel for it after that. Like you, I stand to gain little but extra download allowance and higher upstream speeds (though pings are reputedly better too), but I'm going to give it a try. We know that some people have had no problems while a few have had a number of issues. Remind me what router you have, would you? I must admit, I did consider staying put with a stable Max connetion, but I know IDNet will sort things out if they go wrong, so I'm going to sacrifice all for the forum. ;D
Thanks for the compliment. :blush:
I'd make the move if I were you, Harry, even if its only for the better allowences and lower latency :)
Well I was swapped over today and came into this
Rate: 9009 kbs 1064 kbs
Max Rate: 9009 kbs 1471 kbs
Noise Margin: 5.7 dB 6.0 dB
Attenuation: 34.3 dB 16.6 dB
Output Power: 20.5 dBm -31.0 dBm
Protocol: G.DMT2+ Annex A
Channel: Fast
DSLAM Vendor Information Country: {46336} Vendor: {TSTC} Specific: {5 }
ATM PVC: 0/38
As I was connecting at 6000+ on ADSL and the various graphs predict around 12000 I'm hoping that the 9000 I'm getting will improve.
I'm on a 2Wire with 6.1.1.48-enh.tm firmware btw. :D
Thanks for that. Your noise margin and max rate suggest you won't be going much faster, though.
Rik, Could you expand on that for me. I thought that I'd be on another training period and it would find it's own level. Least I'm on a Texas connection.
You are, it will, but it won't go up, given that the router is reporting the max rate at the same level as the attained rate.
Ok but where does the router get the max rate from?
From the handshaking with the DSLAM/MSAN.
thanks Rik
Don't ask me to explain why it doesn't always connect at the highest speed, though, it's one of the 'black box' moments. :)
Rik.............yes I think I will wait for another week and see how things go for you all.
My Router is a Zoom X6 but I do have a (which was suggested by users on this forum) Netgear DG834G (mind you I haven't looked to see what version it is.....I got from Ebuyer for about £45) which I have never connected because I'mmmmmmmmmm Lazy :blush:....maybe the move to ADSL+2 will make me connect it!!!! Do you know does the Zoom X6 work with ADSL+2?
It's certain ADSL2+ capable, but whether it works with BT's equipment is probably something you'll just have to see. :)
Just got switched over yesterday, not seen much of an improvement in speeds sadly.
> adsl status
--------------------------- ATU-R Info (hw: annex A, f/w: annex A) -----------
Running Mode : ADSL2+(G.992.5) State : SHOWTI ME
DS Actual Rate : 10187000 bps US Actual Rate : 888000 bps
DS Attainable Rate : 10132000 bps US Attainable Rate : 888000 bps
DS Path Mode : Interleave US Path Mode : Interleave
NE Current Attenuation : 31 dB Cur SNR Margin : 12 dB
DS actual PSD : 12. 0 dB US actual PSD : 20. 8 dB
ADSL Firmware Version : 1401201_A
-------------------------------- ATU-C Info ---------------------------------
Far Current Attenuation : 14 dB Far SNR Margin : 14 dB
CO ITU Version[0] : 00004946 CO ITU Version[1] : 0000544e
DSLAM CHIPSET VENDOR : < IFTN >
So Infineon chipset at the DSLAM yes? Using a Draytek Vigor 100 set to ADSL2+(G.992.5) sync is around 10 meg but through put is the same as before, around 6.5. Reckon a different router/modem will be better?
You need to wait for your profile to catch up, Vader, that's going to take 3-5 days. The Draytek with the Infineon is not an ideal combination, but you've connected so it shouldn't be a barrier to your speed. You've got interleaving on, which is costing some speed plus a 12db target noise margin, so that's another chunk gone. It's possible that a different router might help, but I'd hang on a week or so, till we get larger numbers migrated, and then we'll have a clearer picture.
Three weeks into WBC, and I'm not impressed, but reserving judgement.
My attenuation is 24 db.
I have connected to my exchange's Huawei MSAN with Netgear DG834v5, and have gone back to my ST585v6 with 8.2.2.5. There have been DLM changes on my line and now the Netgear has trouble connecting, even though it bailed me out when all 6.x.x.x ST firmwares blew up.
I have had two involuntary re-syncs:
- About 0930 Wednesday 10 June: Beginning on 18391 at 6 db noise margin, I was getting 60 CRCs per hour for a steady week of staying connected. The first re-sync left me interleaved at 18119 at 6.5 db. This cut my CRCs to 1 or 2 per hour. Pings went from 16 ms to 21 ms. I've been told by support that I "can't" be interleaved with a sync above 15 Meg, so don't tell anyone. :thumb:
- The second re-sync was at about 0930 the next day. Went from 18119 at 6.5db to 19690 at 4-4.5db. Errors about tripled, but no more re-syncs yet. Still interleaved, pings still 21 ms.
My profile of 15000 kbps is still at about 80% sync, and doesn't bother me, but I don't like such a low noise margin with the Speedtouch.
My main gripe is that I never get anywhere near the profile on any speed tests, the average being about 60%. This is a big drop from two weeks ago when I was testing near the profile most of the time.
So, yeah, speed's a lot better, I don't know why DLM keeps fooling with my line, and I hope it doesn't wreck it next time, and I still think a loss of 40% to congestion is a little disappointing.
Richard
It is, Richard. I move next week and I can't say that I am greatly looking forward to it, but I hope to be pleasantly surprised.
I'll offer some encouragement -- I overstated my case :whistle:
I was remembering the DSLZone speed test history that's based on connection speeds. When I looked closer, my speeds are between 50% and 90% of my profile. I think the median is about 75-80%, but still disappointing -- less than 12M on a 19.7M sync -- but not enough to complain about. I think lower syncs may be more fully serviced.
Richard
I'll certainly be able to tell you if that's the case, Richard. :)
Can we confirm that you do go back on 10 days training when you swap over. It just that my SNR is rising and my connection rate is falling and if it goes on like this I'll be back where I started.
Yes, but fundamentally, it shouldn't make a difference. It's rate adaptive and so even a bad training period shouldn't cause problems later.
I just wanted it confirming as I will leave it alone for the training period. Thanks
May be of use not sure, there is output spec list for the DG834v5 and also a list of adsl commands
http://dgteam.ilbello.com/forum/index.php?topic=201.msg1882#msg1882
Interesting, Steve. :thumb:
Hopefully I'm not tempting fate by posting on here :-\
Moved on to ADSL2+ Friday 11th/Saturday 12th June.
I'm currently synced at 19690 with a line profile of 15000 and a throughput of 11500-15000 which I'm pretty happy with. Noise margin has gone up a bit from the initial 6.1db to 8.9db.
Netgear DG834G V4 firmware version 5.01.09
EAFOX Exhange, Ipswich.
Linestats:
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 19690 kbps 1232 kbps
Line Attenuation 16.0 db 6.8 db
Noise Margin 8.9 db 5.4 db
:fingers: ;D
Good luck! :thumb:
Hello all,
I appear to have been successfully migrated to WBC sometime around 10:00 on
15th June.
Netgear DG834 v4 firmware V5.01.14
Copper path is 1200 metres from Newtownards exchange.
Not terribly impressive line stats compared to what the online estimators were
predicting:
Connection Speed 7785 kbps 888 kbps
Line Attenuation 28.5 db 12.9 db
Noise Margin 11.9 db 10.6 db
Prior to the migration:
Connection Speed 5856 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 26.0 db 12.5 db
Noise Margin 12.1 db 23.0 db
Ta,
El Bunto
Replying to myself, speedtest.net shows that my throughput has fallen from 5.20 to 3.34 mbps.
Before (http://www.speedtest.net/rank/1535577069.png)
After (http://www.speedtest.net/result/496142517.png)
Bah! Well at least I still get the extra download allowance...
El Bunto
We have found the BT speed tester to be the most reliable. Could you do one of those, and post the results?
Someone's got congestion today: ???
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 19532 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1216 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 17000 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 4629 kbps
If you wish to discuss these results please contact your ISP.
If you are experiencing problems with specific applications, servers or websites please contact your ISP for
assistance.
Your test has completed please close this window to exit the performance tester.
same time 15/06/2009 1421
C:\Documents and Settings\blah>tracert www.idnet.net
Tracing route to www.idnet.net [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 39 ms 99 ms 99 ms dsldevice.lan [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] (Speedtouch artifact, always 99 on the first tracert
ping)
2 15 ms 14 ms 15 ms telehouse-gw4-lo2.idnet.net [212.69.63.99]
3 15 ms 15 ms 14 ms telehouse-gw3-g0-1-400.idnet.net [212.69.63.243]
4 15 ms 15 ms 14 ms redbus-gw2-g0-1-331.idnet.net [212.69.63.5]
5 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms redbus-gw1-fa2-0-300.idnet.net [212.69.63.225]
6 15 ms 15 ms 16 ms www.idnet.net [212.69.36.10]
Trace complete.
C:\Documents and Settings\blah>ping -a idnet.net
Pinging idnet.net [212.69.36.10] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=59
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=59
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=59
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=59
Ping statistics for 212.69.36.10:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 14ms, Maximum = 15ms, Average = 14ms
--------------- end data
I had bad results also on DSLZone and speedtest.net (their London server showed 32 ms ping, unlike above.
Richard
Quote from: Simon on Jun 15, 2009, 13:52:48
We have found the BT speed tester to be the most reliable. Could you do one of those, and post the results?
Wilco, it is erroring-out as busy right now but I'll give it another go shortly.
Richard's results are amazing; my traffic results are about the same as usual:
traceroute to www.idnet.net (212.69.36.10), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 192.168.254.254 (192.168.254.254) 5.649 ms 5.790 ms 5.759 ms
2 telehouse-gw4-lo2.idnet.net (212.69.63.99) 45.672 ms 46.610 ms 47.533 ms
3 telehouse-gw3-g0-1-400.idnet.net (212.69.63.243) 48.675 ms 49.416 ms 50.082 ms
4 redbus-gw2-g0-1-331.idnet.net (212.69.63.5) 249.001 ms 251.755 ms 251.750 ms
5 redbus-gw1-fa2-0-300.idnet.net (212.69.63.225) 54.703 ms 54.794 ms 55.646 ms[/font][/font][/font]
* * *
PING idnet.net (212.69.36.10) 56(84) bytes of data.
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 40.889/41.694/42.373/0.563 ms
Can I swap with Richard?! :)
El Bunto
That's quite a high ping time considering you're on WBC. This is what I get on a standard ADSL line (no interleaving):
QuoteTracing route to www.idnet.net [212.69.36.10]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 27 ms 25 ms 30 ms telehouse-gw2-lo2.idnet.net [212.69.63.55]
3 25 ms 26 ms 25 ms telehouse-gw3-g0-1-400.idnet.net [212.69.63.243]
4 25 ms 30 ms 25 ms redbus-gw2-g0-1-331.idnet.net [212.69.63.5]
5 24 ms 25 ms 24 ms redbus-gw1-fa2-0-300.idnet.net [212.69.63.225]
6 26 ms 26 ms 25 ms www.idnet.net [212.69.36.10]
Trace complete.
Exchange congestion maybe?
That would be my first thought, Tom, followed by a node issue.
Quote from: Rik on Jun 15, 2009, 15:36:18
That would be my first thought, Tom, followed by a node issue.
As far as I recall, Newtownards connects via the Glasgow node. I suppose there is a delay because the packets have to get the ferry across the Irish Sea...
Pings have always been very poor even prior to WBC though as a non-gamer it didn't really cause me any issues. But Richard's results were an eye-opener!
Thanks guys
That extra link will certainly be adding to your ping, unfortunately. :(
Quote from: Simon on Jun 15, 2009, 13:52:48
We have found the BT speed tester to be the most reliable. Could you do one of those, and post the results?
The Speed Test awakens:
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 7785 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 888 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 6500 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 6000 kbps
Hurrah! Must have been congestion earlier today; maybe some bits were stuck in a bend.
Thanks
:yes:
:thumb:
Quote from: El Bunto on Jun 15, 2009, 21:46:07
Hurrah! Must have been congestion earlier today; maybe some bits were stuck in a bend.
Hmm, spoke too soon - back to slow this morning. Latency is horrendous, taking about 20
seconds to even get a response from a site.
Last night around 21:00 everything was blazingly quick, with instant responses.
Perhaps this is an aspect of WBC; reduced daytime performance and better in the evening, to
shape daytime traffic for businesses? I don't have enough data yet but will keep an eye on
things over the next week.
I don't think it would hurt to give IDNet all call about this. :)
I was switched at 10:37 this morning. Router is a 2700, dual SSID, firmware 5.29.107.12. Downtime was three minutes.
Prior to the shift, my figures were (down/up) attenuation: 57.9/31.5, noise margin: 9/19, sync speed: 3776/448
After, attenuation: 63/32.7, noise margin: 9/5.6, sync speed: 4137/795
Pings have not changed, averaging 23ms, speed tests are the same downstream, about 790 upstream, hopefully I'll get one profile step downstream and gain 500k. The BT speed tester is busy for the moment.
MSAN is a Texas Instruments.
Edit: what a difference a decimal point makes. :)
:thumb:
:fingers: I believe the rise in downstream attenuation is a feature of ADSL2+ as compared with ADSL2 and ADSL
It looks like the BT tester may take a few days to grant access to the new connection, but here's a couple of others to be going on with:
(http://speed.io/pics/2124/6369/speed.io.png) (http://www.speed.io)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/496847473.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/496995381.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
My switch was at 09:15 this morning. Router is Netgear DG834G v4, firmware v5.01.01.
Previous sync was 8128kbps down/448kbps down, attenuation 26db down/14db up, NM 7db down/24db up.
Sync is now 15956kbps down/1135kbps up, attenuation 28db down/12.5db up, NM 6.3db down 5.6 up.
Pings are 8ms and the Namesco speedtester shows my throughput as 7000kbps down/ 962kbps up.
BT speedtester has been busy all morning so no profile to report but if things stay as they are, it'll probably still be 7150.
MSAN used to be Alcatel but today it's not displaying any vendor ID.
Hey ho.
Pretty good result, Drummer. :thumb: I have a theory that the BT tester may not be recognising the new connections immediately, despite the busy message. Time will tell. :)
I'm still jealous, of course. ;D
Switched this morning. Router is Belkin F5D7633-4, firmware 1.00.25.
Previous sync was 7392kbps down/448kbps up, attenuation 47db down/29.5db up, NM 6.1db down/24db up.
Sync is now 7237kbps down/762kbps up, attenuation 51.5db down/27.7db up, NM 6.1db down 5.3 up.
Pings are 31ms
Sorry don't know MSAN ID
Quote from: stevethegas on Jun 16, 2009, 11:14:45
:fingers: I believe the rise in downstream attenuation is a feature of ADSL2+ as compared with ADSL2 and ADSL
That's correct. ADSL2+ adds a few dBs.
Apparently my new connection was made at around 11.30 this morning. I'm using a Netgear DG834v3 with latest firmware. The router's new details are shown below.
BT test site is busy so haven't been able to do a test there yet.
Speedtest.com says 12.66MBs/0.89MBs
MySpeed says 12.3MBs/894KBs
Speed.io says 11.56MBs/974KBs
ThinkBroadBand says 8.9MBs/0.9MBs
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I have a feeling the BT site doesn't recognise new connections for a day or two, Noreen, either that or there's dozens of us who went over today and want to find out what our profiles are. :)
ThinkBroadband seems to have been conservative for me too, the rest were within a whisker of each other so I am reasonably confident I've gained 400k, as much as I could have expected. You, otoh... :)
I tried TBB again just now and got 4.9 MBs down and then noticed the ref to port 80. I ticked that and got 7.8MBs down so apparently it does make a difference.
I noticed when looking at my router's logs that the connection took a little while to settle down, it's stayed connected since. :fingers:
QuoteTue, 2009-06-16 10:52:03 - LCP down.
Tue, 2009-06-16 10:52:11 - Initialize LCP.
Tue, 2009-06-16 10:52:11 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Tue, 2009-06-16 10:52:41 - CHAP authentication success
Tue, 2009-06-16 10:57:54 - LCP down.
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:01:37 - Initialize LCP.
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:01:37 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:02:38 - Initialize LCP.
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:02:38 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:03:14 - CHAP authentication success
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:06:13 - LCP down.
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:06:44 - Initialize LCP.
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:06:44 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:07:08 - CHAP authentication success
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:27:17 - LCP down.
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:27:53 - Initialize LCP.
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:27:53 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Tue, 2009-06-16 11:28:16 - CHAP authentication success
I've just had the one re-sync, Noreen, but what's puzzling both IDNet and me is that my sync speed changed by just 3k, and neither speed was a multiple of 32k as was always the case with Max.
I have had three re-syncs this afternoon 7237,7274 and 7282.
Again, none a multiple of 32k. It does seem like the goalposts have moved.
When I was swapped over I was able to do a BT speedtest the same day. I think I did it about 7 -8 hours after the swap.
It must like you (or there were a lot of people swapped today). ;)
Hi all,
I swapped over today too. I'm not sure things are working out too well though. Here are my stats:
ADSL Link Downstream
Connection Speed 15227 kbps
Line Attenuation 22 db
Noise Margin 7 db
ADSL Link Upstream
Connection Speed 855 kbps
Line Attenuation 5.5 db
Noise Margin 6 db
The problem seems to be a lack of speed. The average speed test seems to give about 400kbps, I havent been able to download any files above about 300kbps.
An ADSLguide speed test have given me the following:
Speed Down 688.99 Kbps ( 0.7 Mbps )
Speed Up 721.97 Kbps ( 0.7 Mbps )
Do you think I am expecting to much too quick or is something wrong?
Thanks
It may be a profile issue, can you manage a BT speed test? I started off OK, with speeds of around 3.3M, but my latest tests have shown just 600k, lower than I've ever seen on Max.
Quote from: Rik on Jun 16, 2009, 18:58:23
It may be a profile issue, can you manage a BT speed test? I started off OK, with speeds of around 3.3M, but my latest tests have shown just 600k, lower than I've ever seen on Max.
Hi Rik,
Thanks for the reply. here is my BT speed test results:
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 15224 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 852 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 13000 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 2938
Regards
Pretty yuk, weemee, a bit like mine. The next few days will be 'interesting' to say the least. :(
I've just managed a BT speed test with the following results:
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 7280 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 760 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 6780 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 3755 kbps
Is it a normal line profile?
Quote from: Rik on Jun 16, 2009, 18:58:23
It may be a profile issue, can you manage a BT speed test? I started off OK, with speeds of around 3.3M, but my latest tests have shown just 600k, lower than I've ever seen on Max.
Not dissimilar here. I was getting around 8.5Mbps after the profile hike, then it dropped to under 1Mbps around 6-7pm, now it's back to about 6Mbps.
Activity monitor trace looks like severe congestion...
BT Test finally let me in:
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 11580 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1023 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 10000 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 6089 kbps
It will be interesting to see if speeds pick up later this evening, after peak time.
You're way better off than me, Bill. I've just had a re-sync to 3822/795 (roughly the same d/s as with Max), but can only get 1M d/s, the slowest speed I've ever seen from IDNet. Something is not good in the land of WBC and, while it's too early to form a judgement, my fears about making to move seem to be coming to pass. :(
Quote from: lozcart on Jun 16, 2009, 19:15:44
I've just managed a BT speed test with the following results:
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 7280 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 760 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 6780 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 3755 kbps
Is it a normal line profile?
Sorry, missed this one. No, I've not got that profile on my list at all. :dunno:
Quote from: Rik on Jun 16, 2009, 19:29:07
Sorry, missed this one. No, I've not got that profile on my list at all. :dunno:
Thats what i thought Rik :-\
It's very odd, though BT have been a bit secretive about WBC profiles, so maybe they've snuck that one in?
I'm just downloading a Java update for the Mac... 158MB, estimated time 40 minutes :bawl:
I hope something improves...
That's certainly possible, Rik. Anything's possible when it comes to BT!
Quote from: Bill on Jun 16, 2009, 20:07:03
I'm just downloading a Java update for the Mac... 158MB, estimated time 40 minutes :bawl:
I hope something improves...
It's so bad here I can't even run the Tiscalli Speed test :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
Edit: It ran, but isn't pretty
Your current bandwidth reading is:
86.10kbps
which means you can download at 10.76 KB/sec. from our serversYou know what I don't think I'll bother at that speed!
I'm afraid evening treacle is the order of the day today, see Simon's announcement. I'm spitting blood, I can only imagine how he feels. :mad:
Certainly seems like I'm not the only one either then!
Even though I swapped over early Saturday morning it wasn't finalised until last night...and then this happened:
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 17847 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1240 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 15000 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 1515 kbps
To me, that points to everything being fine between my router and my exchange? Would I be right in thinking that?
You would, see:
http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=14729.msg345736#msg345736
Well like many others my speed has plummeted severely tonight :shake:.
I've just seen Idnets post about BT letting them down. Wish I'd not gone over to WBC :bawl:
Wonder how long it will take BT to provide the additional needed capacity?
Mike
Quote from: Simon on Jun 16, 2009, 19:25:03
It will be interesting to see if speeds pick up later this evening, after peak time.
Even if they do, this level of performance isn't acceptable.
No. IDNet have been messed about by BT for a year now, and it's unbelievable that BT can continue to get away with this. I hope that IDNet are able to obtain some form of compensation for the damage that this is causing their business and reputation.
Quote from: Rik on Jun 16, 2009, 20:32:26
I hope that IDNet are able to obtain some form of compensation for the damage that this is causing their business and reputation.
Now
that's what I call optimism :P
I think I may well be asking to be put back on to my old connection soon...
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results/id/12451813367818089441.html
Mine looked marginally better the last time I checked, Bill, but I decided further speed tests were going to help no-one tonight. :(
Quote from: Rik on Jun 16, 2009, 20:49:53
I decided further speed tests were going to help no-one tonight. :(
They help my spleen... even without this, I've not had a good day :(
Sorry to hear that, Bill.
Thanks Rik. It'll pass... or it won't. Que Sera, Sera
Doris Day - happy days. :)
Quote from: Rik on Jun 16, 2009, 21:04:07
Doris Day - happy days. :)
Yes indeed... that made me laugh, thanks :laugh:
Gosh this bloody awful . I presume idnet had no control over the migrations that occurred today knowing that they did not yet have the capacity to serve them. I know they'll sort it in the end but what in the meantime are you supposed to take it in turns using the internet?
Just read Simon's announcement and I'd like to thank BT for replicating my Tiscali experience with upload speed faster than download and shocking pings.
I'm now thinking of buying a Trabant and I've just placed an order for the new Beatles band record "She Loves You Yeah, Yeah, Yeah" (guaranteed download before the end of the year - woohoo). This exciting new beat combo are just a small part of the new and exciting BT revolution helping all the workers of our glorious state to appreciate superfast broadband.
Toying with the idea of turning my ping graph into a Mondrian pastiche...
Need to go now comrades as another family member wants to use the superfast internets BT provides and checking email on more than one computer at the same time is just counter-revolutionary propaganda.
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Well I've been moved over today and the connection seemed to work fine. At least, in an authentication and connection manner - the speeds are dire. This has to be the first time that my TX speeds are actually higher than my RX. Made me chuckle (somewhat briefly mind, then I wondered where BT were spending my regrade money chuckling at me instead). I doubt it's any use to anyone but I use a Check Point UTM-1 Edge ADSL firewall and it all works fine.
And for Simon@IDnet - if you have any meetings with BT please dish out some shin-kicking for me please :)
:welc: :karma:
And from me... :welcome: :karma:
Hopefully BT will get their act together soon. :fingers:
Finally managed to complete a BT speed test:
Your DSL connection rate: 15956 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1135 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 14000 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 2290 kbps
Objectively it's quite funny, given today's Digital Britain announcement of superfast broadband for all.
Subjectively it's a flipping joke and just confirms BT's monopolistic complacency.
Free enterprise my erse.
Quote from: Sebby on Jun 17, 2009, 00:00:00
Hopefully BT will get their act together soon. :fingers:
Dont hold your breath :wall: :hairpull:
Quote from: stevethegas on Jun 16, 2009, 21:15:57
I presume idnet had no control over the migrations that occurred today knowing that they did not yet have the capacity to serve them.
Even so, I am disappointed at the lack of communication on this issue. I haven't even received a e-mail informing me that I was migrated on Monday, let alone any information on BT's escapades, so if I hadn't checked the router I'd be wondering why everything was falling apart.
The network status page is still showing ``Good service'' for all categories, which is somewhat subjective.
I did receive an email, but I agree the status page should be updated.
HOPEfully all problems will be fixed when i change over in March 2010 :D
Quote from: psp83 on Jun 17, 2009, 08:18:25
HOPEfully all problems will be fixed when i change over in March 2010 :D
Q1 2011 here, but thats 21 CN, no date at all for WBC, :bawl: saying that it may work by then, and BT will be leading the pack :pig:
Quote from: Gary on Jun 17, 2009, 08:23:43
Q1 2011 here, but thats 21 CN, no date at all for WBC, :bawl: saying that it may work by then, and BT will be leading the pack :pig:
We can all dream ;D
I have a connection speed of 16982KBs and I ran a speed test on TBB at 10.45pm yesterday and got a result of 0.8MBs down and 0.9MBs up, I wasn't happy. :mad: This morning at around 8.30am I managed to get on the BT test site and got the attached result. Is this yo-yo effect to be expected after reading of the problems that IDNet are having with BT?
There have been no disconnections.
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It is, unfortunately, Noreen. BT are promising the extra capacity though, we're waiting to hear a date or time.
Would you say that this morning's BT test result is OK for my line, Rik?
The BT one is, Noreen.
Thank goodness that I don't normally go online after around 7pm. ;D
You should, we all should, be OK today, Noreen. :fingers:
:thumb:
Had a resync this morning at 08:18 and my down sync has gone up to 16252kbps and my throughput on various speedtester sites is between 10000-14000k.
Although my NM is below 6db, things have certainly improved since last night. :fingers:
Hi there, despite a severe telling off I gave my self today I sadly bought something from Argos :( I am too impatient for my own good.
Basically I have been using a Draytek Vigor 100 and Linksys WRT54GL for a long time and have always been happy with them, however since being moved over on the ADSL2+ regrade I have been experiencing a few problems.
The following are my connection stats on the Draytek.
> adsl status
--------------------------- ATU-R Info (hw: annex A, f/w: annex A) -----------
Running Mode : ADSL2+(G.992.5) State : SHOWTIME
DS Actual Rate : 10187000 bps US Actual Rate : 888000 bps
DS Attainable Rate : 10132000 bps US Attainable Rate : 888000 bps
DS Path Mode : Interleave US Path Mode : Interleave
NE Current Attenuation : 31 dB Cur SNR Margin : 12 dB
DS actual PSD : 12. 0 dB US actual PSD : 20. 8 dB
ADSL Firmware Version : 1401201_A
-------------------------------- ATU-C Info ---------------------------------
Far Current Attenuation : 14 dB Far SNR Margin : 14 dB
CO ITU Version[0] : 00004946 CO ITU Version[1] : 0000544e
DSLAM CHIPSET VENDOR : < IFTN >
In fact the sync was unstable at 10187000 bps and dropped to around 9018700 bps, shade under 10mb. Add to that the upload was stuck on 888000 bps also. The sync speed just wouldn't hold at the higher rate on my draytek and I would get disconnects and would re sync at a lower speed.
Today I setup the Netgear DG834G V4 and upon connect I am seeing the following line stats.
Connection Speed :
Downstream : 12790 kbps
Upsrtream : 1175 kbps
Line Attenuation :
Down 30.5 db // Up 13.8 db
Noise Margin :
Down 12.1 db // Up 6.3 db
Now I am not sure if it is coincidence but so far the connection has been a lot more stable, however my profile is stuck in the gutter it seems, anyway to get this improved?
Your DSL connection rate: 12790 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1175 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 7150 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 4337 kbps
So just a heads up, may or may not mean anything but as Rik pointed out to me early on the Infineon DSLAM and my Vigor 100 appeared to have not gotten on well together.
Thanks for the information. :thumb:
I've merged this in with the main WBC connections thread. :)
It's just a case of patience, Vader, the profile will rise in BT's time - probably about 3 hours or 3 days, depending on which gods you sacrifice to. ;)
Hi all first post.
Got transferred over from the mire that is entanet on Tuesday only to land in some treacle when i arrived here :D
First of BT lost my order which resulted in an even longer wait then the latest BT bandwidth debacle.
But haven't had a problem with Idnet and i reckon we may be a good fit. :)
I am connected with a sky router flashed to a netgear DG834
Firmware Version V4.01.28
ADSL Firmware Version 6.01.00.12
Router stats
Connection Speed 21733 kbps 976 kbps
Line Attenuation 15 db 3.5 db
Noise Margin 6 db 7 db
just ran a speed test fastest yet was getting from 4 to 10 mb. ( 3mb on enta after all their probs lately)
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 21733 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 976 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 19000 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 17683 kbps
Hi and welcome to the forum. :welc: :karma:
You're just trying to make me jealous, aren't you - go on, admit it. ;D
We believe the initial bandwidth issues have been fixed by BT now, so you should see those sorts of speeds permanently. I call it jammy. ;)
after being with enta i am just happy to be above the 2mb mark mate :)
;D
You'll like it here then. :thumb:
Quote from: Rik on Jun 12, 2009, 15:55:45
Hi Harry
My best advice atm would be to wait a week or two. A whole raft of us will be moving to WBC in the next 10 days, and we'll have a better feel for it after that. Like you, I stand to gain little but extra download allowance and higher upstream speeds (though pings are reputedly better too), but I'm going to give it a try. We know that some people have had no problems while a few have had a number of issues. Remind me what router you have, would you? I must admit, I did consider staying put with a stable Max connetion, but I know IDNet will sort things out if they go wrong, so I'm going to sacrifice all for the forum. ;D
From what's going down with BT and ADSL+2......I think I will wait a bit longer before taking the plunge. It looks like a right mess.....It reminds me of Eclipse and LLU days....and I don't want to go there. I know that Idnet are not like Plusnet or even Eclipse.....promising you everything and giving nothing but any tie up with BT is a disaster (yes I know that Idnet can't go anywhere else).
I will give you a wee example of BT's efficiency, my phone is with the Post Office and over the last year I have got about 15 phone calls from BT asking me if I would be interested in coming back to them. My reply is always the same....."
please send me details to my address or my Email address of your offers and I will consider it"....I'm not nasty or impolite to them because I think somebody has to do this job (and it might be my daughter doing this job in the future).... but.... they do try my patience. Does it happen? No, never despite the promises. Only last week, I got a phone call from them and again they promised to send me details, only to receive "
duck all" Then last night about 5.00pm another phone call from them and again they apologised..only to be cut off in mid sentence when I was trying to explain that I never get any details and the amount of times they have phoned :rant2:........Do they want any Business? clearly not :shake:
I just don't know what you would do them :-\ but I think on the ADSL+2 issue, I will just have to wait a bit longer :(
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Hi Harry
We've had some initial pain yesterday, thanks to yet one more BT foul up, but that was fixed around lunchtime today, and since then people are generally reporting stable, sustained improvements. I haven't seen a reduction in pings, but at 23ms I'm not bothered. My d/s speed is pretty much identical to Max, but my u/s speed has gone from 448 to 675. Above all, I'm now getting 10GB peak and 40GB off peak, compared to 5GB.
I'd say it's safe to stick your toe in the water now. :)
Welcome to the forum, Ronin. :thumb:
:welc: :karma:
My ADSL2+ connection appears to be working correctly now (tested during peak time to be sure):
Your DSL connection rate: 4195 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 888 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 3500 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 3250 kbps
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 4195 kbps 888 kbps
Line Attenuation 41.5 db 22.0 db
Noise Margin 14.1 db 6.5 db
Router: IDnet supplied Netgear DG834
Exchange: Foxhall (Ipswich)
My download speed has gone up from about 2.5M on the old ADSL to about 3.3M (~300kB/s to ~410kB/s) :).
Chris
You're trying to make me jealous, aren't you. ;D
BT do finally seem to have come through on this, it seems it's a matter of finding someone who really knows what they are doing. I've been testing all day, things went sluggish at lunchtime, but after 'our man' worked his magic, my speeds have been consistent, whilst last night I could barely get the forum to load.
Quote from: Rik on Jun 17, 2009, 20:10:24it seems it's a matter of finding someone who really knows what they are doing.
Phone menu systems need an extra option...
Press '1' for Accounts
Press '2' for Sales
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.
.
Press '9' for someone with a number of brain cells into double figures
:hairpull:
:rofl: :karmic: How true.
well things are definitely more stable now but my RX speed has actually lowered a little and the TX has increased. At least it's stable for now. We've been having bad weather here too so would have thought the extra water would dampen the string BT are using to connect me to the exchange :)
It's normal for the d/s speed to drop during the training as DLM kicks in to stabilise the line.
I managed to get on to the BT site this morning and I've now got different results than that previously shown. ;D
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The profile is low for the sync speed, Noreen, so I'm guessing you have had a couple of re-syncs.
Is it likely to keep changing over the next week or so, Rik? The last re-sync was yesterday morning, nothing since.
The profile should lift back up to 15M then, probably in 5 days or so.
Hi folks,
Is it safe for me to jump in now? ::)
I need to increase my allowance ASAP as my kids youtubing is eating it up! (I may have to switch to the 30gb package)
My line speed has never been much above 1300 ( IDnet have investigated and this seems the best I can get at the moment.)
When I put my router stats into the ADSL2+ tester it comes up with a figure of 19000 ish. Is this likley?
The stats from my 2wire 2700 router:
Down Up
Current Rate: 1504 kbs 448 kbs
Max Rate: 1504 kbs 532 kbs
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin: 8.0 dB 8.0 dB
Current Attenuation: 18.5 dB 10.0 dB
Current Output Power: 19.4 dBm 11.9 dBm
I generally lurk but I always find the forum useful.
Thanks.
Will G
Hi Will
The initial teething troubles seemed to have passed fairly quickly, so it's worth a go. You may get a bit more speed, but I didn't despite the predictions - it's really down to the quality f your line as well as the length. You will gain some upstream speed, and possibly get better latency (pings). However, the big advantage for you will be the extra bandwidth, without a doubt.
What router are you using?
Thanks Rik,
My router is:
BT2700HGV
Hardware Version: 2701-100589-005
Hardware Options: Wireless present
DSL Modem Type: ADSL
Current Software: 5.29.117.3
DSL Modem: 7.2.6
It's worked well for me so far,I hope it will work with ADSL2+ too.
Will
Your noise margin doesn't indicate excessive noise and your attenuation is low, you should be syncing at full rate with those stats ???
Have IDnet said why you are limited to this sync?
Good point, Ted, I hadn't taken in the attenuation (mind's a bit elsewhere today, body to follow :)).
My attenuation is 26.7 and i sync at 8128 constantly, those figures just don't tally. It appears to be a very good line, could something be "stuck"?
I've had a word with support, Willy, and it looks like you have an incredibly poor quality line, despite the stats, that's causing errors and that's keeping your speed down.
Do you have an NTE5 master socket, the type where you can remove the bottom part of the faceplate?
Quote from: Rik on Jun 18, 2009, 13:29:15
I've had a word with support, Willy, and it looks like you have an incredibly poor quality line, despite the stats, that's causing errors and that's keeping your speed down.
Do you have an NTE5 master socket, the type where you can remove the bottom part of the faceplate?
Yes. I tried connecting the router direct to the test socket with a high quality cable with the same results when I first joined up.
I've always had trouble with my line, I used to be with Homechoice until they started sending 8 meg then the line just stopped working.
So if I switch to ADSL2+ will this cause problems?
Will
I think i'm right in saying that you can switch back if it doesn't work out.
You are, Ted. It should be OK, Willy, but there's only one way to find out for sure.
What else is connected to your line, eg phones, Sky box etc? Have you tried a quiet line test, dial 17070 then select option 2?
Nothing else connected, tried a 'quiet line test' & it seemed pretty quiet to me :).
I give the upgrade a go & see what happens.
Thanks guys.
Will
There is something seriously wrong there, Will. An attenuation of 18.5dB on the downstream is fantastic, yet you're getting results like your line is a 70dB!
If you've tried the test socket, it's got to be a line fault.
I saw that and then there was the comment that idnet had investigated,doesn't make sense unless there's a fault surely.
I spoke to James about it, Seb. It's rated for just 250k by BT. I guess they aren't about to lay new cable, but I've never seen figures that good producing results that poor. I wonder if the line routes past a really bad noise source?
Quote from: Rik on Jun 18, 2009, 14:54:52
I wonder if the line routes past a really bad noise source?
you mean something like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Graaf_Generator) :whistle:
Fond memories, Steve. :)
I know of one line, and it might just be Willy's, where it passes over a water treatment plant. After BT had put the phone cables in, the water company decided to site a new pump right under, and it generates a huge amount of noise. Neither BT or the water company will move anything... :shake:
I think i'd be inclined to get a second line installed, make sure it was ok and then cancel the old one. Not too cheap but it might work!
It is one possible route, Ted, but there would be no guarantees it would actually be any better. :(
Quote from: Rik on Jun 18, 2009, 15:09:01
It is one possible route, Ted, but there would be no guarantees it would actually be any better. :(
Could it be any worse. :o
No, but Willy could end up spending £100+ to get nowhere (I must admit that I'd give it a try).
I think I'd look at mobile broadband coverage (I didn't realise you could get routers as well)
Good thought, Steve, the routers seem to be fairly recent innovations.
Quote from: Rik on Jun 18, 2009, 15:16:57
No, but Willy could end up spending £100+ to get nowhere (I must admit that I'd give it a try).
I remember reading somewhere, that if you order a new line and specify it will be used for ADSL, then BT had an obligation to provide a line that was fit for purpose. If they supplied you with a "new" faulty line, you'd possibly have grounds to reject it. As old lines were only ever meant to supply voice traffic, that's all they need to deliver, so its "tough luck". Worth looking into if you plan on living there for a long time.
I would check out some of the close neighbours to see if a good line is possible in that area. It should be at 18db
The problem is, Ted, that 250k is considered good for ADSL. :( It's worth checking, though.
Personally, i'd chance it, the possibility exists that you may get another bad line but i would consider that a remote possibility. Like i say, i'd ask the neighbours, just to make sure there isn't a whole bad cable in the area, also a possibility. :'(
Also, lines from IDNet are a bit cheaper than from BT.
Personally, I can't believe BT can get away with that when the stats show 18dB. :shake:
Have you thought about moving? ;D
Sometimes, Alf, that is literally all anyone can do. :(
Thought I'd post my experiences of WBC... some of you may have seen some of my posts over at Thinkbroadband, but thought I'd put them here now!
I had a Draytek Vigor 2600 that was not ADSL2+ compatible, but had given me excellent service for 6 years - when I was emailed about WBC at my exchange, I thought about it and decided to go for it. It turns out that once I was switched to the new service my Vigor clearly wasn't going to work correctly. It managed to sync, but it wouldn't log in. Well, actually that's a lie as it logged in once but I was given a WAN IP addres in the rang 172.16.X.X...!
Anyway, I ordered a brand spanking new DG834 v4 and I'm now up and running. Here are my before and after stats:
BEFORE (Draytek Vigor 2600):
Down = 7616
Up = 448
Interleaved (when i first moved onto this line I was on Fast path, but the line went dead one day and there was a prob in the green cabinet - since then I've been on Interleaved)
Near Attn. = 20.5
Near SNR = 8.5
Far Attn. = 16
Far SNR = 14
Alcatel DSLAM
WBC (Netgear DG834 v4)
Down = 14183
Up = 888
Down Attn = 27
Down SNR = 10.6
Up Attn = 11.8
Up SNR = 15.1
I haven't poked around too much yet - I have activated the command line on the Netgear as I gather that gives me more stats, so will post those up when i find them.
I've not done a BT speed test yet, but the Namesco BBMAX and Speedtest.net testers suggest I'm still on my pre-WBC profile as I'm getting about 6000kbps down. When I first plugged it in, I had a sync of 15000 (something), but then 2 successived re-syncs has brought it down to the current figure. But I'm pretty happy. It would be interesting to see whether I'm on fastpath now with the new connection too.
I have another line that I may try once everything settles down (it's an office line so don't want to risk it just yet). It's on the same exchange (but different DSLAM chipset), but it has far superior figures:
Down = 8128
Up = 448
Fast path
Near Attn. = 14
Near SNR = 16
Far Attn. = 5.5
Far SNR = 27
TI (Texas Instruments??) DSLAM
Will keep you posted.
Thanks for that, James.
QuoteIt managed to sync, but it wouldn't log in. Well, actually that's a lie as it logged in once but I was given a WAN IP addres in the rang 172.16.X.X...!
Although both my Speedtouch 546 and 585v6 do ADSL2+, they had the identical symptom on 6.x.x.x firmware, except that I am on an MSAN with Infineon chipset, supposedly Huawei.
I got a Netgear v5 from IDNet, and that worked straightaway. I later also got the 585v6 to work on 8.2.2.5 firmware that Thomson won't give out!
Something has obviously changed that made some older firmwares useless on the ADSL 'standards'. It would have been nice if the companies that knew about this, BT and the router makers, had bothered to make this public.
The government is now forced to run around saying how essential broadband is, and the industry acts as if it's just ok that we get knocked off for days or weeks at a time :rant2: :rant2:
Richard
Quote from: jameshurrell on Jun 19, 2009, 09:57:29
Nice one! I did something similar to you, went from 2600 > vigor 100 > dg834 V4 :)
As a very contented IDnet subscriber I've never had the need to contribute to this forum. I received an invite to change my subscription to the new ADSL2+ service, noted that the cost would remain fixed but that my download allowance would increase, my download speed might increase and that my upload speed would increase. I opted for the change despite being about as far as you can get from my Basingstoke exchange
I checked with Belkin (a very good tech support group) that my F5D 9630 G+ mime WR would be suitable, made the recommended f'ware upgrade and waited for the switchover.
Whilst waiting I followed the various tales of woe/happiness on these pages. I have now been switched (exactly when I don't know – I wasn't told).
My router stats show:-
Downstream Upstream
Data Rate Kbps 4090 824
Noise Margin dB 5.2 3.8
Output Power dBm 12.8 0.0
Attenuation dB 51.5 28.8
and speed test results are consistent at:-
DOWN 3245 UP 645
Before the switch my downstream data rate and actuals coincided at about 3000 kbps and upstream at about 320 kbps. So my expectations have been met - until such time as BT replace the piece of damp string between my home and their (ho ho) network.
The dramatic change is in the attenuation figure. I have read somewhere in this forum that an increase should be expected when switching to ADSL2+ but mine has doubled. Can someone confirm that nothing can be done about this, since I attribute the difference between the data rate and actual speed to this figure alone?
:welc: :karma:
Attenuation should certainly not have doubled, but you should expect an increase of about 3dB. If it really has doubled, get onto IDNet support, as that's going to be a fault. That said, if you were only getting around 3000k throughput before, I'd say your current attenuation is actually correct - perhaps it was being misreported before.
Anyway, I'm glad you're happy with the service. :)
:welc: Jim, :karma:
I'm going to post a tentative success. Currently synced at 8,781 with a NM of 5 - 5.5 (evening). ADSL was stable at those margins - so fingers crossed.
For the record - currently using ST 585v6. Also worked with Netgear DG834v3 but syncs were lower.
Upstream is at 1,015 - which judging from the NM there (about 5.5) is probably about as good as it gets.
Steve
Fingers crossed, Steve. :)
:welc: Jim, :karmic: :thumb:
Since the large migration to ADSL2+ my 'basic' DSL connection is, to use a technical word, zinging along. Is this to be expected as there is now more room on the 'basic' pipes?
I am touching 7mb all day long now and it really is enjoyable. I would say that since the migration my general speeds have increased from around 6.5 Mb (Good anyway!) to the aforementioned 7Mb. Anyone else seen an improvement?
Long may it last :happy:
Nice one, Steve. It sounds like things have improved. :fingers:
Quote from: quandam on Jun 20, 2009, 10:57:25
Since the large migration to ADSL2+ my 'basic' DSL connection is, to use a technical word, zinging along. Is this to be expected as there is now more room on the 'basic' pipes?
I am touching 7mb all day long now and it really is enjoyable. I would say that since the migration my general speeds have increased from around 6.5 Mb (Good anyway!) to the aforementioned 7Mb. Anyone else seen an improvement?
Long may it last :happy:
Glad to hear it. I hope it continues. :fingers:
Quote from: Rik on Jun 18, 2009, 10:29:37
The profile is low for the sync speed, Noreen, so I'm guessing you have had a couple of re-syncs.
It's improving. ;D
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Just had a resync here :
ADSL Link
Downstream : 14456 kbps
Upstream : 1232 kbps
Line Attenuation
Down : 30.0 db
Up : 13.8 db
Noise Margin
Down : 9.1 db
Up : 6.2 db
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 14456 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1232 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 11000 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 10335 kbps
(http://peter.nightsdawn.googlepages.com/DownNoise.jpg)
(http://peter.nightsdawn.googlepages.com/DownSync.jpg)
That's interesting. It looks like there was a burst of noise, followed by a higher re-sync, probably owing to the fact that there was less noise around, despite a short burst of noise.
Hi all,
New idnetter here. I've been activated since last Friday and I think it's WBC so I thought I'd post my stats and ask for opinions on if it's likely to improve during the training period?
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 2230 kbps 932 kbps
Line Attenuation 45.5 db 26.2 db
Noise Margin 12.4 db 6.7 db
ID supplied Netgear A2pB023b.d20e
I always use the test socket.
Cheers,
tpk
Quote from: tpk on Jun 22, 2009, 18:34:47
Hi all,
New idnetter here. I've been activated since last Friday and I think it's WBC so I thought I'd post my stats and ask for opinions on if it's likely to improve during the training period?
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 2230 kbps 932 kbps
Line Attenuation 45.5 db 26.2 db
Noise Margin 12.4 db 6.7 db
ID supplied Netgear A2pB023b.d20e
I always use the test socket.
Cheers,
tpk
Afraid I can't help but I can welcome you to IDNetters :thumb:
Quote from: tpk on Jun 22, 2009, 18:34:47
Hi all,
New idnetter here. I've been activated since last Friday and I think it's WBC so I thought I'd post my stats and ask for opinions on if it's likely to improve during the training period?
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 2230 kbps 932 kbps
Line Attenuation 45.5 db 26.2 db
Noise Margin 12.4 db 6.7 db
ID supplied Netgear A2pB023b.d20e
I always use the test socket.
Cheers,
tpk
:welc: :karma:
Those stats are very poor for attenuation of 45.5dB. You should be getting about 3x the current sync rate in an ideal world.
You've already tried the test socket, which rules out internal wiring as being an issue. Have you tried another filter? Is the Netgear running the latest firmware? Could you also try a quiet line test (dial 17070 and select option 2) and let us know if you have any crackling on the line. :thumb:
Hi quandum :)
Hi Sebby. I've tried a faceplate from adslnation and the filter which came with the modem.
The firmware is V5.01.01.
The quiet line test just sounds like faint white noise but no obvious crackling.
tpk
Try a shielded cable from faceplate to router - I picked one up at PC world for about £10 (necessary in my case since there's no power outlet near the master socket - and this is better than an extension lead).
Steve
Quote from: tpk on Jun 22, 2009, 20:13:02
The quiet line test just sounds like faint white noise but no obvious crackling.
The reason I ask is because I think your best bet is to go with a voice fault. It might be worth approaching BT and telling them that you get intermittent crosstalk. They usually then swap you onto a new pair, and that might solve your broadband issue. Just don't mention broadband to them.
Thanks. I'll try a shielded cable and have reported the intermittent fault.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/501999176.png) :-\
:fingers:
My SNRM has been sat doggedly at 9db since I switched, with a sync at about 12200kbps and a 10,000 profile... came back from some shopping and noticed it had drifted up to 11db, so I forced a quick re-sync.
13434kbps now, fingers crossed that the profile goes up a bit before too long... :fingers:
That's the downside to ADSL2+; it's more susceptible to noise. On the other hand, you're sync'ing higher than is possible on ADSL2, even with a 9dB target. :)
Yeah I know, but I'm greedy- I want my 6db target and fastpath back :P
Odd thing is, my SNR seems more stable on 2+ than it did on 2... dropping down to 6db on ADSL2 might have been a bit iffy, it regularly wandered around over a 4db range. On ADSL2+ the biggest change I've seen (so far) is 2db ???
Swings and roundabouts. ;D
Apologies if this isn't exactly WBC specific anymore, but just updating the situation with my new WBCified service and longish line.
Assuming I have an intermittent fault (which I surely have), I asked BT but they've quickly come back and said they've tested the line, said there's no problems and warned me about a call out charge if I insist.
In my experience of this line, it obviously isn't up to ADSL quality (1500 profile) and could/should be given the attenuation of 45, but I can hardly risk the engineer charging me if the problem is not evident every minute of the day, so looks like there's not a lot I can do.
Edit for language - this is a family friendly forum!
I wonder how BT would respond to a charge from the customer, if there was a fault found, which had been impairing ADSL usage for some time? >:(
I just don't understand why the speed I'm getting with the attenuation etc I have can be acceptable. Raising the bar for what is and isn't a BT fault should have been in that recent Digital Britain document, never mind adding some tax to my shoddy old line.
Quote from: tpk on Jun 24, 2009, 16:30:45
I just don't understand why the speed I'm getting with the attenuation etc I have can be acceptable.
What you and BT find acceptable can be miles apart. Have you reported it as 'crosstalk', as Sebby suggested?
Quote from: Sebby on Jun 22, 2009, 20:37:10
The reason I ask is because I think your best bet is to go with a voice fault. It might be worth approaching BT and telling them that you get intermittent crosstalk. They usually then swap you onto a new pair, and that might solve your broadband issue. Just don't mention broadband to them.
Hi Simon, Yes that's what I reported it as.
The thing is, if you insist that you have intermittent cross-talk, then there's no way BT can tell you there's no fault found. Have an engineer out, and if they say there's not fault, tell them it's intermittent.
When I did it, I made clear all along the fair was intermittent both when reporting it and when the engineer turned up.
Hi All,
I've been upgraded today, a vast improvement - see my previous stats! (not as good as most of you but much better than I was expecting)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/503813930.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
And my router stats
Down Up
Current Rate: 8382 kbs 555 kbs
Max Rate: 8382 kbs 556 kbs
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin: 8.2 dB 5.5 dB
Current Attenuation: 21.1 dB 7.3 dB
Current Output Power: 20.7 dBm 12.5 dBm
It's odd that my download speed has improved much more than the upload.
Also can anyone explain why my line is so bad ( the BT wholesale checker says that it may not support a 256k fixed connection) but my neighbours on either side can expect 10 meg?
Thanks
WillyG
You should actually be able to sync at about 16Mb with attenuation of 21dB. Have you tried the test socket?
Think mine has stabilised :)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/505581455.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
ADSL Link
Downstream - 16928 kbps
Upstream - 1228 kbps
Line Attenuation
Downstream - 30.0 db
Upstream - 13.8 db
Noise Margin
Downstream - 3.6 db
Upstream - 5.9 db
Looks okay. :)
I'm posting mine as a definite success now. Has been very stable for a couple of weeks. I had to re-boot yesterday as the electrics were off for a little while due to a bit of work going on in the house and I ended up with a higher sync as a result :-)
According to routerstats I should now be on a 16000k profile, so I'm guessing it might take a few days for my profile to catch up.
Current stats:-
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test: -provides background information.
Your DSL connection rate: 18715 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1227 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 15000 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 13777 kbps
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 18715 kbps 1227 kbps
Line Attenuation 15.5 db 6.6 db
Noise Margin 11.3 db 6.8 db
Good news! :thumb:
Excellent news, PuncH. :thumb:
Nice one. :)
For me, it's going well:
Your DSL connection rate: 4260 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 760 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 3500 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 3212 kbps
I've never managed a sustained 3.5M profile before, Max gave me 2.5M, occasionally 3M. Pings are ~22ms.
Managed to do a BT test this morning (now that I can type @) and got the attached result.
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Not bad, almost as good as my 3M throughput. ;D
Quote from: Noreen on Jul 13, 2009, 10:32:58
Managed to do a BT test this morning (now that I can type @) and got the attached result.
Not sure of the "break points" that BT use, but your profile might go up to 17000 after a while. On a 12500-ish sync mine went up to 11000 after about a week.
WBC
9088 - 10207 8.0 Mbps
10208 - 11359 9.0Mbps
11360 - 12479 10.0 Mbps
12480 - 13631 11.0 Mbps
13632 - 14751 12.0 Mbps
14752 - 15903 13.0 Mbps
15904 - 17023 14.0 Mbps
17024 - 18175 15.0 Mbps
18176 - 19295 16.0 Mbps
19296 - 20415 17.0 Mbps
20416 - 21567 18.0 Mbps
21568 - 22687 19.0 Mbps
22688 - 23839 20.0 Mbps
23840+ 21.0 Mbps
Bill. :)
Ta :)
Looks like Noreen's won't go up then, and I'd better keep an eye on mine... I'm into the 11000 profile band by about 20kbps!
I hate profiles. :)
I'm not arguing :mad:
I'm very happy with it as it is. ;D
Was hoping mine might sneak up to 17000 but syncing at 18575 means I'm a long way off.
Ah well. Will have to put up with things as they are ;)
Quote from: Noreen on Jul 13, 2009, 11:11:29
I'm very happy with it as it is. ;D
So would I be! ;)
Afte much faffing around with telnet I discovered that my Belkin F5D8631-4 has a Texas Instruments DSLAM as shown here: http://gallery.idnet.com/main.php/v/inkblot/DSLAM.jpg.html
Another thing I found was this: http://gallery.idnet.com/main.php/v/inkblot/MaxSpeed.jpg.html which seems to suggest my max possible speed is 12164kbps - I must get down to Maplin and see if I can get a decent ADSL/Extension lead as Rik suggested, might get me a little bit closer ;D
Except the best advice is to keep your router attached to the master socket if at all possible so the chances of picking up noise inside the house are minimised . Not always easy but running network cables from your router to your PC or using wifi / homeplugs is the ideal method for preserve a "clean" adsl signal.
I had ADSL2+ activated on my line a month ago and it's still happily plodding along. Two or three forced resyncs during the first week and two initiated by me, so I reckon a 1400 profile is the best my line can achieve.
Definitely not too shabby though and it certainly warms the cockles of me heart seeing files download at 1.5MB/sec. :thumb:
Throughput frequently drops to Max speeds during the day but as I only know this because I've run speed tests, I'm not bothered in the slightest.
To-date, ADSL2+ has been working fine on this line.
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Your DSL connection rate: 15989 kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1120 kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP profile for your line is - 14000 kbps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 13041 kbps
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Pinging 212.69.40.3 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.69.40.3: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=61
Reply from 212.69.40.3: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=61
Reply from 212.69.40.3: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=61
Reply from 212.69.40.3: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=61
Ping statistics for 212.69.40.3:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 16ms, Maximum = 16ms, Average = 16ms
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Down-Up
Line Attenuation 28.0 db 12.6 db
Noise Margin 5.9 db 6.3 db
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All looks good. :)