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Title: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 23, 2008, 17:44:52
I have today purchase this item on eBay:

New 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless   :thumb:

It is described as follows:
This auction is for a brand new 2wire BT Business hub.
It has wireless and has a port to plug a telephone in to use its inbuilt voip system.
The item does not have its original box, but has never been used as so is in perfect condition.
It comes with power adapter.


I have been reading Rik's thread gathering together information about these routers and found my way to The Scream where I downloaded this file: recovery_425.2sp that I believe can be used to "Un-lock" these Routers:   :dunno:

When it arrives before I do anything as bold as this (I have flashed my Netgear a number of times but only with official Netgear updates) I will seek your guidance here on the forum.  :hlp:

At present I am not interested in VOIP or right now in the Wireless aspect but I may be in the latter later on. What I fancy is the potential for an improved IP Profile with the 2Wire's reputation for better noise rejection.

Watch this space and I will post again when it arrives and I know more about it.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 23, 2008, 17:49:04
When you get it, Les, do a factory reset (paperclip in the hole for 20 seconds with the power on, then let it re-boot). Connect it to the PC but not the phone and log into the router interface. See what firmware you are running so that you can decide what you need to do. If you ever want to use the USB interface and don't have the CD, I am sure one of us can help you out. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 23, 2008, 17:54:07
As Rik says, a factory reset is always a good idea with used items. Otherwise, there shouldn't be a lot to do, but post back once you've got it and we'll know for sure. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Ted on Mar 23, 2008, 18:22:50
Hi Les
Good choice of router :thumb:
One word of warning which you may already be aware of, make sure that the router only has a single SSID if you want to flash the firmware.
DO NOT Flash the router with the recovery firmware if it has Two or Dual SSIDs. The firmware will not be compatible and it will render the router unusable.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 23, 2008, 19:24:30
Hi Rik, Sebby & xild,

Thanks for the quick and positive responses.  :thumb:

DO NOT Flash the router with the recovery firmware if it has Two or Dual SSIDs.
There I see it again and now I know why I had no idea what an SSID was because I have always been a wired LAN man, nothing like a length of copper if you want to connect things together now is there?  :)

Now, however, it seems that I have to take notice so I went a Googling and found this c/o one Bradley Mitchell at: http://compnetworking.about.com/cs/wireless/g/bldef_ssid.htm:

"SSID - Service Set Identifier"
Definition: An SSID is the name of a wireless local area network (WLAN). All wireless devices on a WLAN must employ the same SSID in order to communicate with each other.

So now, having furthered my education, I shall be on the look out to see if the Router I have bought has single or dual SSID :thnks: for the cautionary on this one!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 23, 2008, 19:25:55
It will be on the label on the underside, Les.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Mar 24, 2008, 18:51:26
Why bother flashing the firmware at all? Just use the DNS poisioning trick and it will work fine!  :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 24, 2008, 19:51:16
I did a bit of research today, and you can't actually flash the dual SSID model as there isn't a generic firmware available. Therefore, the DNS poisoning trick is the only option.

The recovery tool is for the single SSID models, which BT used to supply. There are also some non-BT-branded 2700s floating around (such as the ones Rik and I have) which don't need flashing at all as they never had branded firmware.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 24, 2008, 19:53:00
Actually, mine is BT branded but had been flashed before it reached me. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 24, 2008, 19:53:52
Oh, I thought yours was a 2Wire-badged version, so it just goes to show. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 24, 2008, 19:55:26
No, it's the full BT jobby, box, manual etc, but pre-flashed with SBC firmware. They seem to come in all shades of 'originality' don't they. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 24, 2008, 19:56:28
They do indeed.  :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 24, 2008, 20:10:52
They seem to come in all shades of 'originality' don't they. :)
I still have no idea in any of the detail you guys are discussing what it is that I have actually bought! :eek4: Maybe at £7.51 Plus p&p I don't have too much to worry about if I am honest but here's the link just in case anyone can add anything:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260220087353&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123

There is a picture for what it's worth.

BTW should this thread have been in the 2Wire 2700.... Issues part of the forum?  :blush:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Mar 24, 2008, 20:15:17
I think it is a dual SSID version, as it has a phone 1 and phone 2 light on the front. I could well be wrong though. If it is this version, then it will have version 5 firmware and whatever you do, you must not flash it!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 24, 2008, 20:17:04
it will have version 5 firmware and whatever you do, you must not flash it!
Thanks for the warning Lance, I have it duly noted! :no:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Simon on Mar 24, 2008, 20:18:17
I'm starting to think you can't judge anything on eBay until you actually get it.  Hopefully it will be good for you, Les, and there are plenty of people on here who can offer support.  :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 24, 2008, 20:28:41
I'm starting to think you can't judge anything on eBay until you actually get it.
I have been an ebay buyer on and off for years and on one occasion some years ago, badgered by my son, paid circa £900 for a Sony Vaio Laptop. I sweated blood till it arrived but it was a good one. He still has it and it is working great. Most items have been fine but I had a dead CPU once that I recall but I paid very little for it and as they say you get what you pay for!  :) So maybe my relative bargain 2Wire may not live up to my expectations!  ;)  Time will tell.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 24, 2008, 20:29:57
You're right, Simon. Some auctions do state that it is the single or dual SSID version, but I suppose that depends on how much the seller knows about this router.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Simon on Mar 24, 2008, 21:46:36
But I still maintain they shouldn't state that items are *new*, when in fact, they are old models, albeit unused.  How can you tell if it's been used anyway?  A *new* item should be just that, i.e. newly manufactured, the latest model, not something that someone's had stuck in a wardrobe for x number of years.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 24, 2008, 21:54:57
A *new* item should be just that, i.e. newly manufactured, the latest model, not something that someone's had stuck in a wardrobe for x number of years.
Quite right Simon. I guess you could always try asking the seller the question before you buy but I know from experience that answers are not always forthcoming!   :eyebrow:

With the 2wire I have just bought it is a case of  :fingers:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: madasahatter on Mar 24, 2008, 22:05:44
Don't know Simon - one of the dictionary definitions of "new" is "unused" or "in it's original state". Even an old model could still be described as either of them  ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Simon on Mar 24, 2008, 22:16:41
I suppose the key is, if you want something specific, don't buy it unless it's specified.  ;)

Les, I wasn't doubting your purchase, it's just that there seems to be a haze of ambiguity around these, as there are several different variations.  Hopefully, yours will be a good one.  :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 24, 2008, 22:44:12
But I still maintain they shouldn't state that items are *new*, when in fact, they are old models, albeit unused.  How can you tell if it's been used anyway?  A *new* item should be just that, i.e. newly manufactured, the latest model, not something that someone's had stuck in a wardrobe for x number of years.

Point taken. I just always consider "new" to mean unopened/unused, especially where eBay is concerned.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: plugwash on Mar 25, 2008, 00:07:53
when using ebay if in doubt use the ask the seller a question option to try and tease out the information you want.

and as others have said new in most cases means unused, it does not say anything about how long the device has been sitting in storage. If you need a particular revision of something you need to explicitly clarify that with the seller.

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 25, 2008, 00:12:07
Even when buying off a website, though, we don't know how old stock is. I was confronted with this problem when buying my new mobile recently. I didn't want something that had been sitting around for ages, especially given that a lot of mobiles have hardware issues in the early days. In the end, I bought from Play.com as they were out of stock at the time of order and I knew that the likelihood was that the new stock would be new (as in recently manufactured). I was correct, and the build date of the phone was week 7 of 2008. :thumb:

Buying from eBay can be a bit of gamble, but with a bit of common sense and caution, you can usually get a good deal. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 27, 2008, 20:12:40
Ok my 2wire 2700 HGV router arrived today or to be more precise two arrived.
I have not got to the bottomed of why the seller sent two but with only one power supply.
I thought I would try them both to see if they both worked or not.

I did the power on factory reset as recommened on both and then connected one of them via ethernet port 1 to my PC and entered http://gateway.2wire.net/management and discovered the Summary page which contained the following:

System Summary
System
Model: BT2700HGV
Serial Number: 5206xxxxxxxx
MAC Address: --:--:--:--:--:--
Hardware Version: 2701-100588-005
Hardware Options: Wireless present
DSL Modem Type: ADSL
Current Software: 5.29.107.19 
DSL Modem: 7.2.2
 
Configuration
Key Code: 528Y-27G4-A222-22BJ-B22V
System Time: Retrieving date and time settings from the Internet...
Time Since Last Boot: 0  days  00: 02: 17
Last ID Post: Thursday, January 1, 1970
00:00:00 AM
 
 
Components
bto_logo: 102189
bto: 102192
bto_en: 102190
bt-2700hgv-pppoa_config: 102188
base_ui: 102168
common_en: 102170
base_voice: 102169
bto_providerconf: 102191
system: 102167
Firewall Rules: 1000
Application List: 1001
IGMP Proxy: Disabled
IGMP Querier: Disabled
IGMP Snooping: --

I then followed kinmel's post in Rik's thread, "Contributions wanted" but without the Wizard as I have not yet connected the ADSL BT line to it.

What has me foxed is that when I enter my IDNet user access name and password at Congigure and hit Submit

it is not accepted and I see this preceded by a warning triangle, Your PPP Username is not correct!

and it reverts back to what was there originally namely: green-light@service.btclick.com

I did the DNS poisoning and other steps as described but without reconnecting up I am not sure if this was accepted or not now.

Your help and advice would be very much appreciated.

If this one won't work maybe the other one will.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Mar 27, 2008, 20:19:36
What you need to do is once you have entered your idnet details, don't press the submit/save button, but in the address bar type javascript:document.pagepost.submit() and press enter. This saves the correct details but bypasses the validation present on the dual SSID v5 firmware.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Steve on Mar 27, 2008, 20:26:00
I followed the instructions below

http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=5295.msg102417#msg102417

this worked fine.Or if you are concerned about the apparent error the method suggested by Lance works fine
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Mar 27, 2008, 20:27:24
the method suggested by Lance works fine

It's the method I used without any problems!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 27, 2008, 20:52:53
in the address bar type javascript:document.pagepost.submit() and press enter.

Thanks Lance, your method worked like magic for me and I am on line using the 2Wire as I type.  :thumb:

I have copied some stats which I will paste here:
 Broadband Link – Statistics  ATM Statistics
  IP Statistics
DSL  Down  Up
Current Rate:  3552 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:  3552 kbs   1064 kbs 
Current Connection:
 Current Noise Margin:  12.0 dB   25.0 dB 
 Current Attenuation:  40.9 dB   26.0 dB 
 Current Output Power:  18.5 dBm   11.9 dBm 
 
ATM  Cells  Errors  %
Transmit:  2718  0  0
Receive:  5451  0  0
 
IP  Bytes  Packets  Errors  %
Transmit:  110763  414  0  0
Receive:  249272  385  0  0

So its a typical evening sync speed for me much the same as my Netgear has but maybe if I get a faster one in a morning it will hang on better than the Netgear does in the busy noisy periods.

The was such a lot ticked in the Advanced Firewall bit I did as kinmel says but I left the rest as it was.
If you read X for a tick this is how I have it now:

Firewall – Advanced SettingsWARNING
Modifying the settings on this page can impact the ability of computers on the local network to access your broadband connection. Modifications may also affect broadband-enabled applications and services running on the local network.
Security
Check to enable the features below:
Stealth Mode   x
Block Ping   x
Strict UDP Session Control

Inbound and Outbound Control
Checking the box allows the associated traffic type through the firewall.
Outbound
HTTP   X   Remote Management   
HTTPS   X   NetBIOS
FTP   X
Telnet   X
SMTP   X
DNS   X
NetBIOS
POP3   X
IMAP   X
NNTP   X
IRC   X
H323   X
All Other Protocols Inbound   x

Attack Detection
Excessive Session Detection   x
TCP/UDP Port Scan   x
Invalid Source/Destination IP address   x
Packet Flood (SYN/UDP/ICMP/Other)   x
Invalid TCP Flag Attacks (NULL/XMAS/Other)   x
Invalid ICMP Detection   x
Miscellaneous    x

Is this OK?

Sorry to be such a nuisance but I will get there in the end.  :)

The next job will be to get the No. 2 machine networked or my better half, Carol wil be bending my ear!  :eek4:


 
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on Mar 27, 2008, 20:58:15
Yes thats fine.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 27, 2008, 20:59:22
All looks fine, Les. :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 27, 2008, 21:11:23
Thanks kinmel for taking a look at the Firewall stuff and for the  :thumb: Sebby. Between Lance your good selves et al I have one of the two 2wires I received today working.  ;D

Do I just plug the second PC into port 2 say and let the DHCP sort things out or will I need to do some manual configuring? I know stop asking and try it and see!  ;)

With the Current Software being: 5.29.107.19 is this one I should flash or not. I am assuming not because it has the PHONE 1 & PHONE 2 labels on the front that Lance said early on meant it was a dual SSID model, which must not be flashed.

Does any of this spell it out?  ???
Model: BT2700HGV
Serial Number: 5206xxxxxxxx
Hardware Version: 2701-100588-005
Hardware Options: Wireless present

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 27, 2008, 21:13:05
As you say, just plug the second PC in and it'll automatically be assigned an IP, so there'll be no additional configuration now.

You're correct that you have a dual SSID model, so don't flash it. ;)

By the way, I've replaced some of your serial number with crosses. I always think it's best not to post serial numbers; you never know who's watching. :P
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 27, 2008, 21:21:16
As you say, just plug the second PC in and it'll automatically be assigned an IP, so there'll be no additional configuration now.

I tired it and can confirm that the second machine is connected OK too!  :)

You're correct that you have a dual SSID model, so don't flash it. ;)

Right I won't.  :no:

By the way, I've replaced some of your serial number with crosses. I always think it's best not to post serial numbers; you never know who's watching. :P
Ah good thinking. Thanks for that.  :thumb:

Could you do it in my first post this evening too I have posted the number there too? Thanks in anticipation.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 27, 2008, 21:22:10
I'm glad it's all sorted. :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 27, 2008, 21:25:30
I'm glad it's all sorted. :thumb:

Did you see my modification re Serial No's. as follows:

Could you do it in my first post this evening too I have posted the number there too? Thanks in anticipation.

This post starts, "Ok my 2wire 2700 HGV router arrived today or to be more precise two arrived".
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 27, 2008, 21:28:21
Done. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 27, 2008, 21:36:02
Done. :)
Great thanks again.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Mar 27, 2008, 22:28:00
Glad you have it all up and running, Les! I noticed that your noise margin is 12db. If you can hold sync for 15 days this should reduce by three which will give you a higher sync. Like you say, resyncing in the morning could well give a higher sync anyway.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 27, 2008, 23:03:54
Indeed; the 12dB target margin is probably caused by the previous instability, but as things seem to be stable now, this should hopefully lower by itself. The best thing to do is just leave the router alone, which I'm sure you'll do anyway. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 28, 2008, 16:52:48
The best thing to do is just leave the router alone, which I'm sure you'll do anyway. :)
Oh dear how could I possibly do that when I had a second one to try!  :whistle:

So here we go after doing something different with the second 2wire 2700 HGV that I know not what I got one of those stale connections I have read about with a BT screen saying that I could not connect intead of the one I expected to get.  :eek4:

So while waiting the half an hour I had also read about I did the set-up again all the way from the factory reset and here I am up and running with the second router that the most generous eBay seller has confirmed that he had knowingly sent to me because he only had one power supply and did not think anyone would want one without a PSU.  Well I for one am most grateful because even though I can't figure out how to use two on one line  :)  a spare is always handy to have.

Here's the stats that I have just connected with at about 4:35 PM:

Broadband Link – Statistics  ATM Statistics
  IP Statistics
               DSL  Down       Up
Current Rate:  4256 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:      4256 kbs   1072 kbs 
Current Connection:
 Current Noise Margin:  12.0 dB   25.0 dB 
 Current Attenuation:  40.5 dB   26.0 dB 
 Current Output Power:  19.4 dBm   11.9 dBm 
 
ATM  Cells  Errors  %
Transmit:  1501  0  0
Receive:  6087  0  0
 
IP  Bytes  Packets  Errors  %
Transmit:  56918  300  0  0
Receive:  281755  314  0  0

The connection speed is the best yet with these two 2wires but I suspect it is more to do with the time of day than the particular 2Wire I am using or does someone think differently?  ???
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 28, 2008, 16:56:51
That's a good step up in sync speed, Les, now all you have to do is keep the connection stable for 14+ days. You'll get a slightly better speed now than in an hour or two, and the best speed of all in the morning, but that's likely to be less stable.

Nice move by the vendor - a spare router is always worth having. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 28, 2008, 17:01:19
Yep, a good increase, and not uncommon with the 2Wire; it can surprise you when you least expect it! In this case, it's probably just down to there being less noise in the day. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 28, 2008, 20:08:32
Well so far so good with the second of my ebay 2Wire 2700 HGV's:

DSL  Down  Up
Current Rate:  4256 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:  4256 kbs   1072 kbs 
Current Connection:
 Current Noise Margin:  9.0 dB   25.0 dB 
 Current Attenuation:  40.5 dB   26.0 dB 
 Current Output Power:  19.2 dBm   11.9 dBm 
 

 
A Noise Margin of 9 dB at 8 PM is unheard of for me! Is it just a fluky evening or does this Router really make this sort of difference ? Only time will tell I guess.  ;).
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 29, 2008, 08:53:54
Here I am again with Saturday morning's Stats from the second of my two 2Wires and I have hung on overnight to the connection speed that I connected at yesterday afternoon.   :) This despite some of the worst throughput speeds last night that I have had since joining IDNet!   :(

DSL  Down  Up
Current Rate:  4256 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:  4256 kbs   1072 kbs 
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin:  13.0 dB   25.0 dB 
Current Attenuation:  40.5 dB   26.0 dB 
Current Output Power:  19.3 dBm   11.9 dBm 

This was the result of a BT speed test at 8:40 PM  29/3/8:

IP profile for your line is - 3000 kbps
DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM)  4256 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 2752 kbps

Room for improvement? What do you folks reckon?  ;)

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 29, 2008, 08:58:27
You should get another 500k of profile if you hold the sync for five days, Les. Throughput for a 3000 profile is pretty much spot on.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 29, 2008, 11:42:21
Room for improvement? What do you folks reckon?  ;)

The profile needs to update, but your throughput for the current profile is good.  :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 29, 2008, 19:33:01
The profile needs to update, but your throughput for the current profile is good.  :thumb:
I recall the wait for the IP Profile to improve when I was "jailed" by BT at 135 kbps after the umpteen disconnects when I was trying out my CAT5 cable before I installed it properly with the filtered Master Socket faceplate I got from ADSL Nation.

Todays throughput is fine as you say for a 3000 kbps Profile. It was the 400 kbps just after 10 PM last evening that was not so good!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 29, 2008, 19:35:10
Same profile, Les?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 29, 2008, 19:52:36
Yes it's been 3000 kbps for sometime now since things settled down.

I have tried BBMax this evening about 20 minutes ago and got its optimistic 2912 kbps so up to now all is well today.

The new router is holding up well too with these stats just copied:
DSL  Down  Up
Current Rate:  4256 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:  4256 kbs   1072 kbs 
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin:  9.0 dB   25.0 dB 
Current Attenuation:  40.5 dB   26.0 dB 
Current Output Power:  19.2 dBm   11.9 dBm 

BTW what is the significance of the 1072 Up. I have never seen an upload throughput speed exceed 448 kbps.

The Netgear Noise Margin would have been 6 dB and below going on past experience by this time of day.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 29, 2008, 19:58:19
It's the fastest speed the modem has determined your line to be capable of, Les, but of course it's not available on IPStream.

The 2700s do hold the margin much better than Netgears - don't ask me how.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 29, 2008, 22:50:53
(https://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.speedtest.net%2Fresult%2F252676088.png&hash=1a325a5436b078ef05f5080b687c6ac2f15c6e89) (http://www.speedtest.net)

I certainly can't complain this evening. :)

10:48 PM 29/3/8 and still looking good:

DSL  Down  Up
Current Rate:  4256 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:  4256 kbs   1072 kbs 
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin:  7.0 dB   25.0 dB 
Current Attenuation:  40.5 dB   26.0 dB 
Current Output Power:  19.2 dBm   11.9 dBm 

BT won't play ball with me at all this evening.  :(
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Mar 30, 2008, 00:02:48
It looks to be holding the line well, Les. A good result!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 30, 2008, 02:00:54
The 2700s do hold the margin much better than Netgears - don't ask me how.

I put it down to the 2Wire having a different (and superior) chipset.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 30, 2008, 09:01:17
I am going to be away for a couple of days so I am hoping that when I get back that my IP Profile will have lifted 500 kbps. BT still have it at 3000 kbps this morning with the throughput a typical 2777 kbps .

Here I am at the end of the month again and have failed to use even 1 GB of my 5 GB download allowance! Pity there's not a carry forward a portion option like I have with my flexitime at work.
Ah well.  :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Mar 30, 2008, 13:11:57
Fingers crossed, Les. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 01, 2008, 20:01:19
Fingers crossed, Les. :)
It worked Sebby!  :)

I have not been home long and have just done a BT Speed Test with this result:

Test at  7:50 PM 1/4/8
             
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test:  -provides background information.
    IP profile for your line is - 3500 kbps   :thumb:
    DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM)  4256 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
    Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 3256 kbps

These are the corresponding Router Stats:

DSL  Down  Up
Current Rate:  4256 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:  4256 kbs   1072 kbs 
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin:  9.0 dB   25.0 dB 
Current Attenuation:  40.5 dB   26.0 dB 
Current Output Power:  19.2 dBm   11.9 dBm 

Now can I be satisfied with this?    :bore:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 01, 2008, 20:22:22
Excellent! I'd be very satisfied, it looks like things are now stable. :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Apr 01, 2008, 22:51:53
 :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 08, 2008, 17:54:27
Having had this 2Wire 2700HGV permanently switched on and connected to my ADSL line since it first came up on the Fridsy 28 March with a Connection Rate of 4256 kbps, which it has maintained until today, I was surprised this evening to see this:

Extract from the Statistics

DSL  Down  Up
Current Rate:  4352 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:  4352 kbs   1068 kbs   :eyebrow:
Current Connection:
 Current Noise Margin:  12.0 dB   25.0 dB 
 Current Attenuation:  40.5 dB   26.0 dB 
 Current Output Power:  19.4 dBm   11.9 dBm 

This happened while there was no one at home using either of the PC's so I am puzzled by why the Modem should have reconnected and am hoping someone might be able to explain it to me.

I took a look at the Event Log and have pasted a small extract below.

Extracts from the Event Log

INF  2008-04-08T15:02:46+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-04-08T15:07:22+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-04-08T15:07:32+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0
INF  2008-04-08T17:31:44+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-04-08T14:37:14+01:00  fw,fwmon:  src=91.135.249.8 dst=91.135.10.73 ipprot=6 sport=3202 dport=135 Unknown inbound session stopped
INF  2008-04-08T14:39:18+01:00  fw,fwmon:  src=91.135.249.8 dst=91.135.10.73 ipprot=6 sport=3196 dport=135 Unknown inbound session stopped


INF  2008-04-08T15:02:46+01:00  hurl:  err=10 name=BB_NOT_UP detect
INF  2008-04-08T15:02:47+01:00  hurl:  err=0 name=PHY_NONE detect
INF  2008-04-08T15:07:04+01:00  hurl:  err=0 name=PHY_NONE clear
INF  2008-04-08T15:07:19+01:00  hurl:  err=10 name=BB_NOT_UP clear
INF  2008-04-08T15:07:22+01:00  hurl:  err=10 name=BB_NOT_UP detect
INF  2008-04-08T15:07:32+01:00  hurl:  err=10 name=BB_NOT_UP clear

It would appear that something happened a few minutes after 3 PM this afternoon.

What do you make of it?

The rate it has reconnected at is OK, it is why it happened that intrigues me.  ???

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 08, 2008, 18:01:12
You lost the connection to the exchange, Les. There's no particular reason for this - it happens from time to time. It could be a noise burst, the router became over-loaded, BT messing around, and so on.

As it's reconnected at an almost identical rate as before, it's nothing to worry about. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 08, 2008, 18:02:34
Is this an SBC firmware version, Les?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 08, 2008, 19:16:54
Is this an SBC firmware version, Les?

I don't believe so but I guess you will be able to tell from this:
System
Model: BT2700HGV
Serial Number: xxxxxxxxxxxx
MAC Address: --:--:--:--:--:--
Hardware Version: 2701-100588-005
Hardware Options: Wireless present
DSL Modem Type: ADSL
Current Software: 5.29.107.19 
DSL Modem: 7.2.2

I did wonder about your 12 day issue that I have read about but its only 11 days since I connected.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 08, 2008, 19:20:56
No, that's not SBC, Les. Probably just retrained due to a noise burst in that case.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 08, 2008, 19:22:09
I did wonder about your 12 day issue that I have read about but its only 11 days since I connected.

AFAIK, it's only the single SSID models running the SBC firmware that have this problem.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 08, 2008, 19:41:30
I have just run the BT speed tester  at  7:37 PM 8/4/8 with this result:

Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test:  -provides background information.
    IP profile for your line is - 3500 kbps
    DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM)  4352 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
    Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 3252 kbps

So my IP Profile is still intact despite the disconnect.   :thumb:

I have Googled for "hurl:  err=10" that I see in the Event log but have found nothing useful.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 08, 2008, 19:48:28
Your profile should only suffer if you re-sync below 4000, Les.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 08, 2008, 20:00:41
What Rik said. And even if that is the case, you've got something like half an hour to re-sync to see if you can get the sync up into 3500k profile territory before the profile adjusts.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 08, 2008, 20:04:52
you've got something like half an hour to re-sync to see if you can get the sync up into 3500k profile territory before the profile adjusts.
Not that long when it happens at three in the afternoon and I don't get in until five at the earliest!
You just have to love BT don't you?  :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 08, 2008, 20:05:38
Very true. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 09, 2008, 09:11:55
Mine did the 300 hour re-sync overnight, so that's another five days to wait for the profile to recover. I must leave myself reminders to re-boot every 12 days...
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 09, 2008, 09:14:02
It's beginning to frustrate me a little, Rik, though I'm fortunate that mine tends to always sync about 4,544k (hence a 4,000 profile). I still think it's dying anyway, so I'm looking to get the dual SSID in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 09, 2008, 09:36:51
I know what you mean, Sebby. The difference between a morning and evening re-sync is a profile step for me. Very irritating. :(
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 12, 2008, 21:23:21
OK look folks I have managed to leave things alone and not go tinkering for a whole 15 days!  :thumb:

System Time: Saturday, April 12, 2008
09:06:30 PM
GMT Daylight Time
Time Since Last Boot: 15  days  03: 32: 41

These are my stats this evening at just after 9 PM:

DSL  Down  Up
Current Rate:  4352 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:  4352 kbs   1068 kbs 
Current Connection:
 Current Noise Margin:  6.0 dB   25.0 dB 
 Current Attenuation:  40.5 dB   26.0 dB 
 Current Output Power:  19.1 dBm   11.9 dBm 

The Noise Margin in quiet daylight hours can be as high as 12 dB or occasionally 13 dB.

Should I go for a router reboot tomorrow morning because from experience Sunday mornings are when I often get my highest Connection Rates.

My concern, based on my experience with my Netgear DG384, is that if I sync too high at a good time things will go unstable in the bad times after dark and possibly trigger a reconnect, which will be at a lower rate, low enough to screw up my IP Profile that is currently 3500 kbps. What is the consensus of learned option should I throw caution to the wind and go for it  >:D   or chicken out and settle for what I have got?   :bore:

I have read how these 2Wires can provide a 1000 kbps improvement in IP Profile and so far all I have is a 500 kbps one.   :whistle:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on Apr 12, 2008, 22:13:56
That Sync seems awful low for 40.5 Attenuation, my attenuation is 59.6 and I sync between 4500 - 4800 with 6dB SNR

With my 2700 the SNR never goes above 7.0, but sometimes drops to 2 without loosing sync.

Go for it
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 12, 2008, 22:29:14
That Sync seems awful low for 40.5 Attenuation, my attenuation is 59.6 and I sync between 4500 - 4800 with 6dB SNR

I have had 4800+ on occasions but dropped out in the evening with my Netgear so maybe the 2Wire will do better!

Go for it
A man after my on heart.
Tomorrow morning I feel a router reboot coming on! :yes:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 12, 2008, 23:17:45
The 2Wire should be more stable than the Netgear in terms of SNRM. Reboot in the morning and see how you go. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 13, 2008, 09:24:32
Hi Les

If you're seeing the NM rise by 6-7db during the day, I'd leave well alone, as a daytime re-sync will undoubtedly gain you speed, but will probably not be stable and, as you rightly observe, you then stand a chance of getting a low-speed sync and blowing your profile for 5 days. Though the 2700 can give a gain of 1000k, the operative word is can. My NM varies by only a couple of db, compared to 7 with the Netgear. Clearly, you are much more susceptible to noise, and in your position, I'd settle for the 500k.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 13, 2008, 09:48:57
Ah well despite my aspirations there was not much change so maybe Rik's right I shall have to settle for the 500 kbps I have got:

System Time: Sunday, April 13, 2008
09:44:28 AM
GMT Daylight Time
Time Since Last Boot: 0  days  00: 04: 54

DSL  Down  Up
Current Rate:  4384 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:  4384 kbs   1068 kbs 
Current Connection:
 Current Noise Margin:  12.0 dB   26.0 dB 
 Current Attenuation:  40.6 dB   26.0 dB 
 Current Output Power:  19.4 dBm   11.9 dBm 
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 13, 2008, 09:51:09
It looks like you have a target NM of 12db, Les. If you're seeing that drop on a 2700 to 6db, something is putting a lot of noise on the line. It might be worth having a word with support and getting the line tested.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 13, 2008, 10:21:08
If you're seeing that drop on a 2700 to 6db, something is putting a lot of noise on the line.
I have watched it drop through 10, 9 to 7 dB as darkness falls and the street lights come on with everthing inside my house the same, on more that one occasion. All BT Wholesale and DSLZone for that matter say my line is good for is 2.5 Mbps so getting over 3 Mbps is probably the most I can expect.

By 10 PM the Noise Margin moves between 6 and 7 dB with an occasional 5 dB. I expect the 5 dB corresponds to the massive dB number my Netgear used to display just before dropping the connection that you told me corresponded to -2 dB.

I have done the quiet line test on 017070 and during daylight all is well so I doubt BT would find a line fault.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 13, 2008, 10:31:49
IDNet can run a woosh test on the line, which might reveal something. I suspect though, that like many of us, you are rather stuck with it until BT invest in significant re-cabling.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 13, 2008, 11:03:32
until BT invest in significant re-cabling.
Fibre optic would be nice!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 13, 2008, 11:04:27
Well, they've asked Ofcom.  :fingers: (See here (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article3671594.ece))
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 13, 2008, 11:07:07
Come on fibre, we are waiting for you. ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 13, 2008, 18:23:32
Despite the, "Error messages by Ali G" namely "LATEST: Currently Sytem have the problem.Sorry for inconvenience" if you simply ignore it, as it seems to be the latest ploy to keep usage down, this is what I have just obtained:

Test at  6:14 PM 13/4/8
 
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test:  -provides background information.
    IP profile for your line is - 3500 kbps
    DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM)  4320 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
    Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 3250 kbps

So my IP Profile is in line with my connection rate and my throughput is in line with my IP Profile.   :thumb:

Yes if anyone has noticed my connection rate is lower than this morning. I had my power off to do a little job so I had another reboot this afternoon and 4320 kbps is what it came back at still with a 12 dB Noise Margin.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 13, 2008, 18:25:10
Yes and yes, Les. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on Apr 13, 2008, 19:49:51
Despite the, "Error messages by Ali G" namely "LATEST: Currently Sytem have the problem.Sorry for inconvenience" if you simply ignore it, as it seems to be the latest ploy to keep usage down, this is what I have just obtained:

Test at  6:14 PM 13/4/8
 
Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test:  -provides background information.
    IP profile for your line is - 3500 kbps
    DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM)  4320 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
    Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 3250 kbps

So my IP Profile is in line with my connection rate and my throughput is in line with my IP Profile.   :thumb:

Yes if anyone has noticed my connection rate is lower than this morning. I had my power off to do a little job so I had another reboot this afternoon and 4320 kbps is what it came back at still with a 12 dB Noise Margin.

It is amazing how lines differ in their ability to hold a sync. Using your own stats of 4320, 40.6 and 12 in the  ADSLGuide checker (http://212.23.23.177/ADSL/default.aspx#calculator=LineX3580YAttX55YMarginX6YResX3580KbpsYResX3728KbpsYResX3MbpsYResX3299KbpsY),  it thinks you should get a 5527 sync and 4.5Mbps profile.

That checker is usually quite accurate IF you can get a grip on the line noise.


Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 13, 2008, 21:24:00
you should get a 5527 sync and 4.5Mbps profile.
If only!  :)

IF you can get a grip on the line noise.
Local Noise in my premises was an issue for me and Rik, Sebby, Lance and others helped me to isolate it to what was a new PSU in my PC. I replaced it with a Tagan one and things are much better now. I have bought some RFI filters on eBay, beefy ones on PCB's that I am slowly building into sockets to feed all the "Wall Wart, Soap on a Rope" PSU's for things like my DEC Phone base, Scanner, Printer, Camera etc with a separate one, all of its own, for my Router's PSU. None of these things are an issue for the time being though, despite not yet being filtered, because I simple do not have any of them or my PC and my monitor switched on when I boot the Router from power on.

Subsequently switching them on has very little if any effect on my Noise Marigin it is the onset of darkness that sees it fall. So my filters may not be really necessary but I feel committed to them now. I'll post a picture when they are done!

Other measures I have taken include installing an ADSLNation filtered face plate at my Master Socket and running a continuous twisted pair in a CAT5 Cable from the ADSL terminals on the back of the ADSLNation filtered face plate to an RJ11 plug that plugs directly into my Router. The CAT5 cable comes back out of my wall through a large rubber grommet I fashioned into a "power socket" blanking plate. This run is just under 10 metres in length, which is as short as I can make it without major alterations to the structure of my house!  :)

I am convinced the remaining noise is external to my premises and substantially out of my control.  :(


I was hoping that after holding a stable connection for a full 15 days that my target Noise Margin might have dropped by 3 dB letting me Sync at a higher rate in the daylight hours but it was not to be, presumably because of the way it drops as darkness descends.   :(
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on Apr 13, 2008, 22:19:15


I am convinced the remaining noise is external to my premises and substantially out of my control.  :(


I am sure you are right, it must be frustrating to know that it is beyond your control but at least you have done everything in your power to get the best out of your line. It is better to have a stable sync than the fastest possible one that keeps crashing

Enjoy the improvement and a Karma for effort

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 13, 2008, 22:25:20
It is better to have a stable sync than the fastest possible one that keeps crashing

Enjoy the improvement and a Karma for effort

Thanks for the condolences Alan, and for the Karma.  :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 14, 2008, 08:44:02
Hi Les

Quote
The CAT5 cable comes back out of my wall through a large rubber grommet I fashioned into a "power socket" blanking plate.

Are you running the cable on the exterior wall?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 14, 2008, 10:21:02
Are you running the cable on the exterior wall?
The front of my house has been extended so what used to be an external wall is now an internal one but is complete with a cavity. This cavity has proved very handy for running my LAN cables and more recently my CAT5 ADSL cable through. When these cables leave this cavity they go off under the upstairs bathroom floor and then down through an internal wall to the Master Socket.

The BT cable was laid in under the concrete floor to come up to the location of the Master Socket when the house was built circa 1969 .

The grommet I referred to is in a blanking plate screwed to the plastered surface of what was once an exterior wall.

There we are clear as mud!  :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 14, 2008, 10:25:24
That's OK, Les, I understand now. I was just a bit worried about the degradation of the cable if it was on an outside wall.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 19, 2008, 22:08:42
All's well with my 2700 I am pleased to say but it does tend to becoming just a wee bit boring!  ;)

That said it does give me time to ponder one or two things I have read about but have not really understood how they might apply to my router:

I have the Dual SSID 2Wire 2700 HGV Router and in the Summary I see this:

Model: BT2700HGV
Serial Number: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
MAC Address: --:--:--:--:--:--
Hardware Version: 2701-100588-005
Hardware Options: Wireless present
DSL Modem Type: ADSL
Current Software: 5.29.107.19 
DSL Modem: 7.2.2

1) I have read that with the Dual SSID version there is no need to "poison" the DNS but I have anyway.
Had I not poisoned the DNS would the "Current Software: 5.29.107.19" I see in the Summary get updated? If it was updated would this be a good thing or a bad thing?

At the moment it "ain't broke" so I guess it is probably best not to think about fixing it but my curiosity has the better of me. :)

2) I have read that the SBC software is strictly for the Single SSID version only but that breaks the VOIP facility.
Does poisoning the DNS break the VOIP facility of the Dual SSID version?
Does VOIP only work if your ISP is BT or will it work with IDNet too?

3) From what I read, although I am not currently using wireless networking, I could should the need arise.

I have never set up any wireless networking before so do not know what is involved.   ???
Under:
Local Network – Wireless SettingsCurrent Settings
I see:
Access Point: vv:xx:yy:zz:aa:bb
Network Name: BTBusinessHub-xyz ..............actual numbers disguised just in case

but with the numbers I see are these likely to be valid or are they only applicable to use with BT as the ISP?

My home network already has a name for the ethernet hard wired bits. Is it this name that I would replace, "BTBusinessHub-xyz" with?

4) Finally I have read that with the SBC software you can increase the strength of the Wireless signal. I presume that with software version 5.29.107.19 that this is not possible. Is this correct?

I know, pretty basic stuff and I could no doubt swat it all up in the manual I have downloaded but I felt sure that some of you kind folks would help me out!  ;D






Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on Apr 19, 2008, 23:01:24
1. This Router completely ignores the entries in the DNS Resolve list. Should another update be issued by BT you cannot avoid it being applied, but automatic updates from 5.29.107.12 to 5.29.107.19 appear to have stopped happening

2. VOIP will still work, but not with BT or IDNet. You need to get a VOIP account elsewhere and use their setup information

3. The wireless works only on your local network and is therefore independent of any ISP, you can use any name you wish.

4. The SBC software kills the Dual SSID, the wireless signal strength cannot be easily increased on this Router, but is already set to the UK legal maximum.








Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: peterbeaumont on Apr 20, 2008, 07:45:24
I found an unused one of these at work last week and managed to set it up yesterday.

Its details are:

Model: BT2700HGV Dual SSID
Serial Number: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
MAC Address: --:--:--:--:--:--
Hardware Version: 2701-100589-005
Hardware Options: Wireless present
DSL Modem Type: ADSL
Current Software: 5.29.117.6 
DSL Modem: 7.2.6

The only problem I have is when I try to change and save the settings to my fixed IP address and preferred IDNet server numbers (from the automatic settings), I get the error message

Your PPP Username is not correct!

Can I easily get round this, or should I leave it alone, please?






Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on Apr 20, 2008, 08:03:03
Ignore the error message, the changes you wanted will be implemented and it will continue to use your IDNet user details.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 20, 2008, 13:07:29
1. This Router completely ignores the entries in the DNS Resolve list. Should another update be issued by BT you cannot avoid it being applied, but automatic updates from 5.29.107.12 to 5.29.107.19 appear to have stopped happening

2. VOIP will still work, but not with BT or IDNet. You need to get a VOIP account elsewhere and use their setup information

3. The wireless works only on your local network and is therefore independent of any ISP, you can use any name you wish.

4. The SBC software kills the Dual SSID, the wireless signal strength cannot be easily increased on this Router, but is already set to the UK legal maximum.



Ah that makes things clearer. Thanks for that.  :)


I see that Peter Beaumont's router has a later software version:

Current Software: 5.29.117.6 than my 5.29.107.19

but is sound like if automatic updates have stopped mine will stay as it is.

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 20, 2008, 13:19:07
You can download it manually, Les, but AFAIK it's a generic firmware (which is good - I believe we are getting there with unbranding the dual SSID version) but it means that content filtering disappears and the wireless power can only go as high as 6.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Ted on Apr 20, 2008, 14:12:06
Who's going to be brave then?  :whistle:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 20, 2008, 14:51:25
Well, someone on The Scream has already flashed it and says it works fine.

If anyone wants to be brave, you can download it here (http://rs340.rapidshare.com/files/105406693/2wire_reinstall_voice_5.29.117.3.2sp), but be warned, you do so at your own risk. ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on Apr 20, 2008, 18:07:10
Well, someone on The Scream has already flashed it and says it works fine.

Well I have bitten the bullet and flashed a spare from 5.29.107.12 to 5.29.117.2 using this file.

The unit now has a SingTel provisioning and Logos.

It seems to have more features than the BT setup.

I only put it online for a few minutes and then swapped back to my regular router, this one is now working fine, just need to find the 20character management password now to delve into fully.

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 20, 2008, 18:15:22
Has your avatar broken, Alan?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 20, 2008, 18:15:34
Interesting, thanks for giving it a go. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: jimconsole on Apr 20, 2008, 18:44:57
Rather making a new thread i thought i'd stick my question in here.

I have the same router but 2wire SBC branded,  it works fine viewing webpages etc, but when it comes to using msn messenger it will login fine but after like 1 minute it will sign out and say i'm not connected to the .net messenger service.
My other linksys router with upnp works perfectly though.  I have port forwarded on the sbc router for msn properly but i still get disconnected off msn messenger.

The reason i wanted to change is because at the moment i only have 1 lan port and the sbc has 4 which would be ideal for me.

Any ideas people?

Thanks
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 20, 2008, 18:50:01
Sorry, I don't use MSN, but I'm guessing it's the lack of UPnP support.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Apr 20, 2008, 18:52:05
I don't think it is, Rik. The other half uses it extensively, and it works fine. I've never needed to port forward or anything either. In fact, the only program I've had to port forward for is utorrent.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 20, 2008, 18:52:34
Bang goes another theory. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: jimconsole on Apr 20, 2008, 19:03:18
Damn  :(

Dunno whats up with it. I thought fair enough if it hasn't got upnp, but surely it would work when i port forwarded but that isn't so.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Apr 20, 2008, 19:03:52
Have you tried without forwarding the ports? It might just work anyway, like mine :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Ted on Apr 20, 2008, 19:04:43
Hi
Can't help with the SBC firmware but I run a dual ssid version with 5.29.107.19 firmware. My two girls are on MSN for what seems like 24 hours a day :bawl: never had to make any special settings to the setup.
One of them accesses  MSN with Linux as well, using AMSN or Kopete.
Sounds like something's timing out somewhere? Strange ???
i'll look around for you as well and see what i can find.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: jimconsole on Apr 20, 2008, 19:10:08
Yep when i bought the router i factory reset it and didn't have anything port forwarded, when i came accross the msn problem it was then i decided to try opening ports.

Thanks Ted  :thumb:  much appreciated  :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on Apr 20, 2008, 19:53:48
Has your avatar broken, Alan?

Yes, i have changed it and have picked something too small  >:(   Will find a new one
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on Apr 20, 2008, 19:55:01
Well, someone on The Scream has already flashed it and says it works fine.

Sebby can you please point me to that link on The Scream please

thanks
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Ted on Apr 20, 2008, 21:35:11
Sebby can you please point me to that link on The Scream please

thanks
Think this is the one you want The Scream (http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t22658-45.html?)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on Apr 20, 2008, 21:47:58
Thanks Ted
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Ted on Apr 20, 2008, 22:19:13
Yep when i bought the router i factory reset it and didn't have anything port forwarded, when i came accross the msn problem it was then i decided to try opening ports.

Thanks Ted  :thumb:  much appreciated  :)
Had a poke around the net, does look like it may be a firewall issue.
As it works on the Linksys its probably not an OS firewall problem.
Have you tried disabling the firewall in the 2700?
Do you get an error code when you have a disconnect?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 00:33:25
Damn  :(

Dunno whats up with it. I thought fair enough if it hasn't got upnp, but surely it would work when i port forwarded but that isn't so.

I have a 2Wire with SBC firmware and use MSN (sorry, Windows Live) Messenger occasionally with no issues. Lack of UPnP - or not having ports forwarded - shouldn't make a different for IM purposes. I can't think what it could be. :(
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 00:33:41
Think this is the one you want The Scream (http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t22658-45.html?)

That is indeed the one. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: jimconsole on Apr 21, 2008, 11:04:36
Good news!  ;D

Decided to do a factory reset again and tested using msn messenger on the lan and didn't get any disconnections, then when i tried with wifi i got disconnected, so i changed channel and increased the signal strength to 8 and now is all good.

I'm chuffed with this,  im getting over 3mb at off peak using the speedtest which iver never had before. So this SBC router must have something to do with it. Although can't escape the tiscali traffic management at the moment during peak times i'm happy with the outcome which means when i join IDNET i won't have any msn messenger problems.

Thanks to those who helped me out  :thumb:


Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 21, 2008, 11:11:03
Amazing things, the 2700. Glad you've got a result. :)  :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 13:15:42
My dual SSID arrived this morning. ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 21, 2008, 13:16:25
Rushed home to try it? ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 13:17:07
I wish! I'll have to wait until tonight. :(
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 21, 2008, 13:17:26
Work can be such a pain. :(
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 13:19:01
It can, though I'd say the seller is more of a pain for not getting it to me by the weekend!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 21, 2008, 13:20:52
True enough. Or the PO, of course...
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 13:22:06
In this case, it wasn't the Post Office. The seller admitted it was only sent on Friday. Considering I bought it and paid for it last Sunday, I would have thought it could have reasonably been with me by the weekend, but never mind. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Apr 21, 2008, 13:28:26
Great news, Jim!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 13:44:45
Great news, Jim!

No, I'm Sebby. All that studying must be frying your brain!

:back:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Simon on Apr 21, 2008, 13:46:45
Had mine since last Tuesday.  You get what you pay for Seb!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 13:48:10
Well, from what I saw briefly this morning (albiet in a very tired state) that would be a brand new and sealed dual SSID 2700, just a little late to arrive. :P
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: g7pkf on Apr 21, 2008, 13:57:48
Well, from what I saw briefly this morning (albiet in a very tired state) that would be a brand new and sealed dual SSID 2700, just a little late to arrive. :P

New one for the collection?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Inactive on Apr 21, 2008, 16:11:36
My dual SSID arrived this morning. ;)

All comes to those that wait Seb.... :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 16:25:40
New one for the collection?

Yep. I thought my single SSID was dying, but it looks like that might not be the case. Still, it'll be nice to have the dual SSID model and not suffer the 12 day re-sync. :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 21, 2008, 16:27:58
We hope... :) If you do, it has to be a DSLAM issue. If you don't, I need one too.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 16:33:14
I'll let you know in 12 days. ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 21, 2008, 16:41:05
Thanks. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Inactive on Apr 21, 2008, 16:47:07
I'll let you know in 12 days. ;)

That is assuming the new one works Seb..  :out: :duck:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 16:52:55
Good point, In. I'm sure it will, it's brand new. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: g7pkf on Apr 21, 2008, 17:09:41
I'll let you know in 12 days. ;)

let us all know (although mine re-syncs every 3-4 days) hope the re-wire will sort that.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Apr 21, 2008, 17:53:34
No, I'm Sebby. All that studying must be frying your brain!

:back:

I was going back to a post on the previous page... maybe I should have quoted!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 21, 2008, 18:09:34
I knew what you meant. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 18:29:21
Me too, I was just feeling evil. ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Apr 21, 2008, 18:36:34
 :getout:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Apr 21, 2008, 19:13:54
:rofl:

The dual SSID 2700 is now setup and working. It was extremely simple to setup and is working as well (in terms of sync) as the single SSID model I had.

I don't know what it is, but there's something nicer about this dual SSID version. Perhaps it's just because it's brand new with a proper 2Wire plug and a stand.

Anyway, I'll see how it goes. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on Apr 21, 2008, 19:16:38
Great stuff, Sebby. Lets see if it gets past 12 days then!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 21, 2008, 19:18:09
The nation expects... ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 05, 2008, 21:46:54
OK having had a connection rate of 4128 kbs for over 18 days this evening I see this:

DSL  Down  Up
Current Rate:  4320 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:  4320 kbs   1044 kbs 
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin:  9.0 dB   25.0 dB 
Current Attenuation:  40.9 dB   27.0 dB 
Current Output Power:  19.3 dBm   11.9 dBm 

System Time: Monday, May 5, 2008
09:27:17 PM
GMT Daylight Time
Time Since Last Boot: 19  days  14: 49: 27

In the Event Log I found this:

INF  2008-05-05T09:00:28+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-05T09:01:07+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-05T09:01:16+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0

What does it mean?

The line was lost for under a minute so nothing serious but I am curious about what it might be.

Certainly my IP Profile is stable and the throughput is good for 9:35 PM:

Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test:  -provides background information.
    IP profile for your line is - 3500 kbps
    DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM)  4320 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
    Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 3257 kbps

Is this what is seen as the 12 day issue with the single SSID version?

 
 

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 05, 2008, 22:50:29
If you held sync for 18 days, it can't be the 12 day issue. Isn't yours a dual SSID anyway?

To be honest, there's probably no explanation as to why your router lost sync; it's not an uncommon occurrence, and anything could have caused it. The good news is that you reconnected at roughly the same sync, so it was just a blip, and certainly nothing to worry about. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: EvilPC on May 05, 2008, 23:08:51
I've noticed once every 5 - 7 days or so  the SNR and Sync rate on my 2700 (dual SSID) drop to zero.. With in seconds they are back to where they were..

Looking at the logs the DSL connection never drops !!

I'm running routerstat to monitor it, but it keeps happening !
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 06, 2008, 08:38:57
Ah, the wonders of ADSL. :) Possibly there's just a glitch and the router fails to pick up the stats from the DSLAM, I've seen it, but it's always too brief to try and check it out.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on May 06, 2008, 11:22:00
I've noticed once every 5 - 7 days or so  the SNR and Sync rate on my 2700 (dual SSID) drop to zero.. With in seconds they are back to where they were..



same here, no idea why.


Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 06, 2008, 20:46:47

If you held sync for 18 days, it can't be the 12 day issue. Isn't yours a dual SSID anyway?

Hi Sebby,

Yes mine is the dual but I was curious about what happens at the 12 day point with the single version.

Seeing this in the Event logL

INF  2008-05-05T09:00:28+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-05T09:01:07+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-05T09:01:16+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0

I wondered if this was the same sort of line loss or is it a full reboot with the single SSID?
 
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 06, 2008, 21:47:56
The router just reboots, Les, which obviously causes the sync to be lost. But that's not what you're seeing - for a start, there's nothing in the log on the single SSID models as the router restarts, so the log is cleared.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 06, 2008, 21:49:54
The router just reboots, Les, which obviously causes the sync to be lost. But that's not what you're seeing - for a start, there's nothing in the log on the single SSID models as the router restarts, so the log is cleared.

Right I see. Thanks for that.  :)

 
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 07, 2008, 22:10:56
Well what do you know it's been an gone and done it again at 9-o-clock this morning, pretty much the same time as it did it on Monday!  ???

In the Event Log I see:
INF  2008-05-07T09:00:12+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-07T09:00:50+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-07T09:01:01+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0

and now the Stats. show:
DSL  Down  Up
Current Rate:  4544 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:  4544 kbs   1056 kbs 
Current Connection:
 Current Noise Margin:  7.0 dB   25.0 dB 
 Current Attenuation:  41.0 dB   27.0 dB 
 Current Output Power:  19.3 dBm   11.9 dBm 


I would prefer the DSL Down Current Rate to stay below 4544 kbps because I fear instability in the darkness of the evening and a re-synch occuring then would lower my IP Profile based on previous experience. Synching at 4544 kbps at 9:00 is all very well if it will be sustained much later in the day.  :fingers:

The 7.0 dB Noise Margin is about 2 dB lower than of late too!  ???

 
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 07, 2008, 23:14:03
Can you think of anything that happens at 9am each day that might be triggering this, Les?

If you sync at 4,544k in the day (just enough to get a 4,000k profile) the SNRM is likely to drop a bit at night, though 7dB should be absolutely fine. If it worries you - and given that you're only just able to achieve a 4,000k profile anyway - you might want to force a re-sync at night. Although you'll probably get enough sync for a 3,500k profile only, you should get a 9dB noise margin at worst.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 09, 2008, 19:14:20
Can you think of anything that happens at 9am each day that might be triggering this, Les?

That's just it I can think of nothing in my house that could be triggering it at 9-o-clock. There is no one in at that time of the morning so there are no PC's running, the heating is off it's really strange.

Another oddity is this appears to be happening on a two day cycle!  ???

This is what I see in the Event Log today the 9 May.

INF  2008-05-09T08:56:41+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-09T08:57:06+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-09T08:57:15+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0

The clue was yet another Connection Rate.

DSL                Down  Up
Current Rate:  4512 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:      4512 kbs   1040 kbs 
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin:    11.0 dB   25.0 dB 
Current Attenuation:     41.1 dB   27.0 dB 
Current Output Power:  19.5 dBm   11.9 dBm 

Having had the same fixed value of 4128 kbps for over 18 days I spot a different one now at 50 paces!

I am wondering if a reboot in the morning might settle things down for another 18 days. What do you think is it worth a try?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 09, 2008, 19:26:35
It's more likely to settle if you re-sync at night, Les, albeit at a lower speed.

I've been hit by my once 'straight line' Routerstats graph taking periodic hikes down by 1-3db since the warm weather started. Given the timing, I strongly suspect someone is running a noisy air-con unit not too far away. Would this be possible in your case?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 09, 2008, 20:53:47
It's more likely to settle if you re-sync at night, Les, albeit at a lower speed.

An evening re-sync would very likely see my current IP Profile of 3500 kbps go down to 3000 kbps so I am not keen to try this.

I've been hit by my once 'straight line' Routerstats graph taking periodic hikes down by 1-3db since the warm weather started. Given the timing, I strongly suspect someone is running a noisy air-con unit not too far away. Would this be possible in your case?


Yes I read what you said about this posibility in another thread so I guess something similar is possible in my location but I am not aware of anything that I could point a finger at!   :eyebrow:

For now I will just keep monitoring the situation.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 09, 2008, 23:04:06
It sounds like one of those problems that will just disappear, but who knows when? :(
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 10, 2008, 22:36:06
When you get it, Les, do a factory reset (paperclip in the hole for 20 seconds with the power on, then let it re-boot). Connect it to the PC but not the phone and log into the router interface. See what firmware you are running so that you can decide what you need to do. If you ever want to use the USB interface and don't have the CD, I am sure one of us can help you out. :)

Just won the same thing paid £7.49.this one is new in box and we have (thanks to Rik) established mine is a dual ssid whatever that is.
I am posting this for both reference and to find if Les had any probs or could give me tip before I get it. ???
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 10, 2008, 23:54:25
Good stuff, David. Lots of us - myself included - have dual SSID 2700s. They're a doddle to set up. Have a look at this excellent post (http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=5295.msg102417#msg102417), which runs through the process. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 11, 2008, 01:09:18
Thanks Sebby,got a hot son who cant sleep here,great link will definatley help me  :karma: :thnks:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 11, 2008, 01:47:27
Read through both threads and its making some sense and will give it a go when it arrives.I do see that evrything including manuals are there and none of the parts have even been taken out of the wrappers so gingers crossed,the lady didnt have a clue what it was all about.

I will need some minimal advice when it arrives,tuesday has been promised,it will be interesting to see the results as my speeds since changing phone providers have been excellent. 5.6 down,I cant get any higher on the up than 371.if this improves I will be amazed,the line has proved very stable losing connection only 3 times.I have read so much about these routers just had to try...... :fingers:   :bed:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 11, 2008, 02:02:52
This is my purchase will or might give an indication of its newness



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Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 11, 2008, 09:50:06
It does look new, David (apart from the RJ11 lead, but we won't worry about that!).

Regarding your upload speed, around 380k throughput is the maximum you'll see, so I wouldn't expect too much. If you want faster upload, really you'll need to upgrade to the SuperMax package where you get a higher upload sync. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Ann on May 11, 2008, 11:00:23
I didn't find it necessary to put in any code that post linked to above talks about.  I just did the below and also added a password for the router later.

Go to http://home or 192.168.1.254

Click on "Broadband link" at the top and then click on "Advanced settings" link.

Enter your username and password.. Dont click save

While on the same page.. type the following into your address bar..
javascript:document.pagepost.submit()

Once you are connected go to. http://home/tech or 192.168.1.254/tech
Click on DNS Resolve, 4th from bottom on the left.

Add the following...

DNS name: pbthdm.bt.motive.com
IP Address: 10.0.0.0

DNS name: cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com
IP Address: 10.0.0.0

DNS name: gateway.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com
IP Address: 10.0.0.0

DNS name: pbthdm2.bt.motive.com
IP Address: 10.0.0.0
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 11, 2008, 11:34:18
Thanks Ann there is hope for me yet  :fingers:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 11, 2008, 11:46:07
It does look new, David (apart from the RJ11 lead, but we won't worry about that!).

Regarding your upload speed, around 380k throughput is the maximum you'll see, so I wouldn't expect too much. If you want faster upload, really you'll need to upgrade to the SuperMax package where you get a higher upload sync. :)

Thanks Sebby Im very happy with my speeds I don't think anyone would complain.well some might.my exchange goes 21cn in August and I am not sure what that will mean to me to be honest.
I have no speed issues just thought I would try this  ???  ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 11, 2008, 11:56:34
21CN won't directly affect you until IDNet start offering WBC products, David.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 11, 2008, 12:00:15
Thats good.... ;D ;D ??? ;D (like I know what Im talking about  :D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on May 11, 2008, 16:13:50
I didn't find it necessary to put in any code that post linked to above talks about.  I just did the below and also added a password for the router later.

Go to http://home or 192.168.1.254

Click on "Broadband link" at the top and then click on "Advanced settings" link.

Enter your username and password.. Dont click save

While on the same page.. type the following into your address bar..
javascript:document.pagepost.submit()

Once you are connected go to. http://home/tech or 192.168.1.254/tech
Click on DNS Resolve, 4th from bottom on the left.

Add the following...

DNS name: pbthdm.bt.motive.com
IP Address: 10.0.0.0

DNS name: cwmp.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com
IP Address: 10.0.0.0

DNS name: gateway.cms.smehomehubrms.bt.com
IP Address: 10.0.0.0

DNS name: pbthdm2.bt.motive.com
IP Address: 10.0.0.0


That method of setting up the broadband link works just fine, but the router then still has some serious security weaknesses. You need to set up wireless security and to alter the firewall settings too.

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 11, 2008, 19:48:55
Just won the same thing paid £7.49.this one is new in box and we have (thanks to Rik) established mine is a dual ssid whatever that is.

Great buy David you won't regret it!  :)

I am posting this for both reference and to find if Les had any probs or could give me tip before I get it. ???


From way back in this thread I have extracted what I did and the trick Lance told me about to get my IDNet credentials submitted. I now know it is not the only way but it is the one I used and it worked fine for me.  ;)


I did the power on factory reset as recommened and then connected up via ethernet port 1 to my PC and entered http://gateway.2wire.net/management and discovered the Summary page which contained the following:

System Summary
System
Model: BT2700HGV
Serial Number: 5206xxxxxxxx
MAC Address: --:--:--:--:--:--
Hardware Version: 2701-100588-005
Hardware Options: Wireless present
DSL Modem Type: ADSL
Current Software: 5.29.107.19 
DSL Modem: 7.2.2

 
Configuration
Key Code: 528Y-27G4-A222-22BJ-B22V

etc...............

I then followed kinmel's post in Rik's thread, "Contributions wanted" but without the Wizard as I have not yet connected the ADSL BT line to it.


The post I referred to is post no.29 in this thread:

http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=5295.25


What has me foxed is that when I enter my IDNet user access name and password at Configure and hit Submit

it is not accepted and I see this preceded by a warning triangle, Your PPP Username is not correct!

and it reverts back to what was there originally namely: green-light@service.btclick.com

This is what Lance told me to do to sort this out:

What you need to do is once you have entered your idnet details, don't press the submit/save button, but in the address bar type javascript:document.pagepost.submit() and press enter. This saves the correct details but bypasses the validation present on the dual SSID v5 firmware.

The Wirless set up and Firewall recommendattions are here in post no.29 in this thread:

http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=5295.25


I did the DNS poisoning

I have since read, however, that this is unnecessary with the Dual SSID model.

There we are chapter and verse on the method I used having pulled it all together from other places on the forum.  ;D


Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 11, 2008, 19:51:54
Have to say my son "Matty" aged 7 loves watching your train so he has asked me to say :thnks: :thumb: :karma:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 11, 2008, 19:56:12
It sounds like one of those problems that will just disappear, but who knows when? :(

It hasn't disappeared just yet Sebby!  ;)

Pretty much 48 hours to the minute again and this is what I see:

INF  2008-05-09T08:56:41+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-09T08:57:06+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-09T08:57:15+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0
INF  2008-05-09T19:01:56+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-09T21:20:35+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-09T22:48:14+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-10T17:36:27+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-10T19:13:04+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-10T22:02:19+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-10T22:55:06+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-11T09:01:42+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-11T09:02:18+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-11T09:04:33+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0

Something happens at 9 AM every two days that's for sure but whatever it is it did not start happening until Monday 5 May!   : :dunno:

I have to believe it is an external influence as I just cannot think of anything that I have that could be causing this to happen.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 11, 2008, 19:56:26
Great buy David you won't regret it!  :)


From way back in this thread I have extracted what I did and the trick Lance told me about to get my IDNet credentials submitted. I now know it is not the only way but it is the one I used and it worked fine




Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 11, 2008, 19:59:13
Have to say my son "Matty" aged 7 loves watching your train so he has asked me to say :thnks: :thumb: :karma:

Ah that's a relief as I did wonder if it might get on some folk's nerves!  ;D

Tell him he can try stopping it by clicking the red X that stops a page being refreshed or updated!  ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 11, 2008, 20:02:28
 :hehe: :clever:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Glenn on May 11, 2008, 20:41:34
Something happens at 9 AM every two days that's for sure but whatever it is it did not start happening until Monday 5 May!   : :dunno:

I have to believe it is an external influence as I just cannot think of anything that I have that could be causing this to happen.


There seem to be a lot of people that have problems from the 4/5th March, that is the same weekend that my problem started, the 1st weekend of BT scheduled work, if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 11, 2008, 21:04:30
:hehe: :clever:

If Matty fancies a train of his own just right click on mine and select Save picture as...
Then paste it in a folder of you own. A double click on the gif file, Chuffer1.gif will run it any time he wants to see it.  :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 11, 2008, 21:07:44
There seem to be a lot of people that have problems from the 4/5th March, that is the same weekend that my problem started, the 1st weekend of BT scheduled work, if I recall correctly.

It's bizarre that's for sure Glenn. :shrug:

I had 18 days solid as a rock till this two day cycle thing started!   ???
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Glenn on May 11, 2008, 21:14:22
http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=6228.0

The link has the work details
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 11, 2008, 21:19:05
http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=6228.0

The link has the work details

Ah it says March in that link Glenn my issue started on the 5 May!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Glenn on May 11, 2008, 21:29:05
Sorry I read your date wrong  :-[
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 12, 2008, 00:01:44
I think it must be something local as it's happening like clockwork.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 12, 2008, 08:46:52
But clockwork doesn't cause RFI, Sebby. ;D :out:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 12, 2008, 14:00:56
:rofl:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Glenn on May 12, 2008, 14:35:42
It can cause RSI though  :whistle:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 12, 2008, 14:36:16
True... ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 13, 2008, 11:43:29
If Matty fancies a train of his own just right click on mine and select Save picture as...
Then paste it in a folder of you own. A double click on the gif file, Chuffer1.gif will run it any time he wants to see it.  :)

Thanks les he will be over the moon with this  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: g7pkf on May 13, 2008, 12:34:25
Wonder if i could do one with the train crashing  ;D I hate trains (most people on this board know why)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 13, 2008, 13:11:21
Great buy David you won't regret it!  :)


From way back in this thread I have extracted what I did and the trick Lance told me about to get my IDNet credentials submitted. I now know it is not the only way but it is the one I used and it worked fine






Arrived this morning and I will read and reread....and when I get some time,will try and get it going without sending up an  SOS  :fingers:



Edit: Quote markup sorted
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2008, 13:44:37
Set it up offline, David, ie not connected to the phone. Then, when everything is good to go, just connect to the phone. It saves any risk to your profile through multiple re-syncs.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 13, 2008, 14:13:39
Thats what I was going to do Rik,studying the thread I was going to connect it up to a pc check out the settings or whatever make the changes and see how it fared but following all the advice very carefully here.

Will I need to make a new connection when the time comes or will the system just recognize a router,if that makes sense ?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 13, 2008, 14:15:57
If the router's correctly set up, David, it will just connect - much as if you had unplugged your existing router then plugged it in again.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 13, 2008, 14:17:37
Thats what I thought.... :fingers:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 13, 2008, 15:03:07
Yep, no need for a new connection. It should just work. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 13, 2008, 20:50:10
Thanks les he will be over the moon with this  :thumb: :thumb:

No problem David.

My three are a bit old to appreciate Chuffer but my grandson's 4 so I will have to see what he thinks of it!  :)


 :but: I see that my train does not please everybody: ...............................

Wonder if i could do one with the train crashing  ;D I hate trains (most people on this board know why)

Hi Dean,

I guess I don't feature in the "most people" you refer to so if you feel inclined please enlighten me.  ;)

EMI/RFI from an electrified line came to mind but mine's a little steam chuffer so I guess that can't be it.  :)


Well just for the record my 2 day cyclic event was right on cue at 9-o-clock this morning:  :dunno:

INF  2008-05-11T09:01:42+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-11T09:02:18+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-11T09:04:33+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0
INF  2008-05-11T19:15:19+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-11T20:03:14+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-11T21:16:57+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-11T22:42:38+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-12T18:44:30+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-13T08:59:53+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-13T09:00:29+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-13T09:09:46+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0
INF  2008-05-13T20:12:02+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page


BTW way David is your 2Wire up and running OK? By now I guess it is.  :fingers:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 13, 2008, 20:59:28
Can all this above be achieved without the CD ?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 13, 2008, 21:12:02
Can all this above be achieved without the CD ?

If you are referring to setting up the 2700 it has to be because I for one do not have a CD.

I read in one thread that you may need a CD to get the USB interface working but I have no interest in doing that at the moment. There will be others more genned up on this aspect than me I am sure so hang in there.  ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on May 13, 2008, 21:24:42
There is no CD included with the BT version of the 2700 and none is needed unless you intend to use the USB connection.

The universal 2wire USB driver can be obtained from HERE (http://www.2wire.com/index.php?p=266)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 13, 2008, 21:36:13
If you are referring to setting up the 2700 it has to be because I for one do not have a CD.

I read in one thread that you may need a CD to get the USB interface working but I have no interest in doing that at the moment. There will be others more genned up on this aspect than me I am sure so hang in there.  ;)


Thanks Les answered it for me as there isn't one so all is as it should be......time for some fun  :thnks:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 13, 2008, 21:38:01
There is no CD included with the BT version of the 2700 and none is needed unless you intend to use the USB connection.

The universal 2wire USB driver can be obtained from HERE (http://www.2wire.com/index.php?p=266)

Thanks for this appreciated.....why Im apprehensive I do not know  :eek4:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 13, 2008, 21:52:56
Don't be, David, it'll go fine, I'm sure. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 13, 2008, 21:57:33
 :fingers: Thanks Sebby  :blush:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 10:16:06
My son woke up late last night so didn't get to do this little job.
Managed to keep my eyes open enough to read the thread again and took a look at the manual for this hub.

Now will my netgaer adapters recognize the signal ?
I see by the manual that the filters need to be used but as I have the filtered faceplate do I need to use them......nothing else is connected to my only Bt socket.

My adapters are 54mps are they good enough.
And finally this would not apply to my laptop as this is Wi FI so should be ok ?

I did manage to reset the router last night to factory settings and reboot before Matt awoke.
If I mess this up,it will not have an effect on my current Netgear would it?
In other words I could just plug this back in should I need to.
As my desktop is connected at the moment by Ethernet cable I will disconnect this and carry out the settings on it but not connect to phone line until all is working..going to keep my eye on things via my laptop so I can read the threads.....just being careful 

Have I got it all covered ?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 14, 2008, 10:23:25
Now will my netgaer adapters recognize the signal ?

Yes.

Quote
I see by the manual that the filters need to be used but as I have the filtered faceplate do I need to use them......nothing else is connected to my only Bt socket.

No. It's a like for like swap, David, the 2700 simply replaces the Netgear.

Quote
My adapters are 54mps are they good enough.
And finally this would not apply to my laptop as this is Wi FI so should be ok ?

Yes, they'll all be 11g standard.

Quote
I did manage to reset the router last night to factory settings and reboot before Matt awoke.
If I mess this up,it will not have an effect on my current Netgear would it?

None whatsoever.

Quote
In other words I could just plug this back in should I need to.

Indeed you could.

Quote
As my desktop is connected at the moment by Ethernet cable I will disconnect this and carry out the settings on it but not connect to phone line until all is working..going to keep my eye on things via my laptop so I can read the threads.....just being careful 

Have I got it all covered ?


Yes. :)  :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2008, 10:26:12

Now will my netgaer adapters recognize the signal ?

They should be fine.

Quote
I see by the manual that the filters need to be used but as I have the filtered faceplate do I need to use them......nothing else is connected to my only Bt socket.

If your faceplate is filtered (and you don't use a filter now) there will be no need for one with the 2wire.

Quote
My adapters are 54mps are they good enough.
And finally this would not apply to my laptop as this is Wi FI so should be ok ?

54mb is the current standand, and fine for the 2wire. The laptop should also be fine. One thing to note is that the 2wire will be a new wireless network which you will need to connect to.

Quote
I did manage to reset the router last night to factory settings and reboot before Matt awoke.
If I mess this up,it will not have an effect on my current Netgear would it?
In other words I could just plug this back in should I need to.

Yep, no effect on the netgear. Just unplug and put it to one side. Should anything not work, just plug it back in and it will reconnect.

Quote
Have I got it all covered ?

I think so!


edit: or what Rik said  :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Gary on May 14, 2008, 10:34:56
There is no CD included with the BT version of the 2700 and none is needed unless you intend to use the USB connection.

The universal 2wire USB driver can be obtained from HERE (http://www.2wire.com/index.php?p=266)
I had a CD with my BT 2700, had a massive scratch on it though, but its not needed as said  :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 10:38:23
Thanks for answering these final points..........little things which were niggling me..... :thnks: :bow:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Gary on May 14, 2008, 10:45:16
little things which were niggling me
Size is not everything ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 10:50:10
Size is not everything ;)

Is that what she told you  :hehe:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 11:06:43
I am carrying this out now on my desk top when it is stated add this to address bar,does this refer to ip address or hardware address,I would guess IP but Im more often wrong ?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Gary on May 14, 2008, 11:10:43
Is that what she told you  :hehe:
I was more wondering about you there  8) :hehe: since you were having issue with little things ;) One thing, the 2700 does not support UPNP, so if you use p2p applications that use the UPNP format you may have to do bit of port forwarding, this can cause issue with things like live messnger dropping file transfer, but I never had any real issues there
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 11:11:46
We all haved our crosses to bear and it cheers the wife up.... :whistle:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Gary on May 14, 2008, 11:15:12
I am carrying this out now on my desk top when it is stated add this to address bar,does this refer to ip address or hardware address,I would guess IP but Im more often wrong ?
Carrying out what exactly? not quite sure what you mean, I need more  :coffee:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Gary on May 14, 2008, 11:15:50
We all haved our crosses to bear and it cheers the wife up.... :whistle:
You use a cross on your wife! Or is that for the second coming :whistle:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 11:23:52
Carrying out what exactly? not quite sure what you mean, I need more  :coffee:

Im on the Advanced settings page of the router and reading from th ethread to put in address bar?is this referring to IP address and do I need uncheck the automatic obtain IP address ?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 11:43:53
I am carrying this out now on my desk top when it is stated add this to address bar,does this refer to ip address or hardware address,I would guess IP but Im more often wrong ?

 ???
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Gary on May 14, 2008, 11:48:04
Im on the Advanced settings page of the router and reading from th ethread to put in address bar?is this referring to IP address and do I need uncheck the automatic obtain IP address ?
Hardware address I would imagine (trying to remember back to owning mine), on my one I had obtain ip address automatically, from what I remember along with dns servers set the same but it's a while ago and I'm two routers later on, can you post a screen shot?  :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 14, 2008, 11:56:40
Are you talking about the javascript, David?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: g7pkf on May 14, 2008, 12:50:08
No problem David.

My three are a bit old to appreciate Chuffer but my grandson's 4 so I will have to see what he thinks of it!  :)


 :but: I see that my train does not please everybody: ...............................

Hi Dean,

I guess I don't feature in the "most people" you refer to so if you feel inclined please enlighten me.  ;)

EMI/RFI from an electrified line came to mind but mine's a little steam chuffer so I guess that can't be it.  :)



No steam trains are fine. now if i could do a gif like that of a virgin train crashing (with no people on board)

i would be happy. and yes they interfere with my line in a BIG way.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 13:11:14
yes Rik Im stuck on the first page,and cant find this covered in the thread..
On the advanced settings page
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 13:16:36
Yes Rik,Im actually a little stuck on the advanced settings page.ie autonmatically configure,or manual and cant find where to type in the javascript:document
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 14, 2008, 13:19:12
I just did a factory reset, then went through the settings manually, David. The javascript line goes into the address bar once you have entered the username, and saves it without going through the verification process (where it would be rejected as a non-BT username).
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2008, 13:22:01
You can just let the router automatically obtain IP address and DNS details. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 13:33:03
I just did a factory reset, then went through the settings manually, David. The javascript line goes into the address bar once you have entered the username, and saves it without going through the verification process (where it would be rejected as a non-BT username).

I have reset it all Rik and have entered usernamme and password.....now when you mention addrss bar this is stumping me as I cannot see it

Do you mean add the javascript with the username.........or is this on another page ie do I save the inf I have on the screen.......
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 14, 2008, 13:35:24
You enter the java line in the address bar of the browser, David, then hit <enter>.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2008, 13:36:00
The address bar in the bar across the top of the web browser where you would otherwise type the website address you want to go to. At the moment, it should show something like http://home/xslt.

You have to type the javascript in there rather than using the save button on the page.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 13:55:36
The address bar in the bar across the top of the web browser where you would otherwise type the website address you want to go to. At the moment, it should show something like http://home/xslt.

You have to type the javascript in there rather than using the save button on the page.

No ite still on the router address in the browser........should I give this one a miss guys I feel bad as this is proving problematic....to you
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2008, 13:57:38
All you need to do is over type what is already there with the javascript and press enter :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 14:01:27
Did this Lance and got a blank page with "object" in the far left corner
Im assuming that what should be typed in is javascript:pagepostdocument.submit is correct ?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2008, 14:03:09
The correct javascript is:

Code: [Select]
javascript:document.pagepost.submit()

 :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 14:07:43
This has taken me to "view Broadband Link summary
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 14:19:41
That method of setting up the broadband link works just fine, but the router then still has some serious security weaknesses. You need to set up wireless security and to alter the firewall settings too.



Followed all of this,do I just enter it and thats it?

What I mean is I have DNS name table to resolve and typed in the 4 addreses on Kinmel...post
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 14, 2008, 14:23:01
It should be, David.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 14:25:07
So it is the time to try and log on Rik??
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2008, 14:26:46
I would maybe wait until the current BT problem has been sorted :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 14:31:19
proberbly wise and sorry to all if I have proved a pita........things never go right with me and this stuff,from migrating to the minute I start installing a new router bt have a problem,think I will give the astronaunts job a miss  :-[
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 14, 2008, 14:31:29
What Lance said, David. Until IDNet give us the all clear, the last thing you want to be trying is a new router.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2008, 14:32:46
proberbly wise and sorry to all if I have proved a pita........things never go right with me and this stuff,from migrating to the minute I start bt have problem,think I will give the astronaunts job a miss  :-[

Don't worry, David. It's what we are here for!!!!!!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 14:36:31
Don't worry, David. It's what we are here for!!!!!!

 :karma: You will have to settle with a Karma Lance....I have a standing order with Rik and money transfers automatically  :thnks:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2008, 14:37:37
Thanks David!

Don't worry about the standing order, I've got Rik's online banking details!!!  :whistle:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 14, 2008, 14:38:41
I wondered who that was, rummaging in my DDs the other day. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 14:39:29
If you have trouble logging in I can help you with this one..............(he paid for the router,just dont tell him though)  >:D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 14, 2008, 19:56:17
Having read of David's exploits I trust all is now well but what is this about waiting for IDNet to give the all clear over some BT problem?

Edit: OK I have read the "Headline" at the top of the forum now.

I asked because my two day re-sync cycle became one day this morning as follows:

INF  2008-05-13T08:59:53+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-13T09:00:29+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-13T09:09:46+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0
INF  2008-05-13T20:12:02+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
WRN  2008-05-13T20:56:34+01:00  sys:  Failed to log into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-13T20:56:39+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-05-13T21:18:12+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
  2008-05-13T21:18:27+01:00  Previous log entry repeated 1 times
INF  2008-05-14T08:56:12+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-14T08:56:54+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-14T08:57:18+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0
INF  2008-05-14T19:26:34+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page

Still at or about 9-o-clock this morning but a mystery just the same.  ???

While looking at other pages of information in my Dual SSID 2700 I spotted a reference to dsl0 under the following:
(dsl0 being the first lost connection in my Event Log)

Advanced – Provisioning Information:

bband0 modid: 3 parentid: 0 flags: 0 run level: 6 > 10

bbdevice dsl0
default_bbtype 1
default_bbbridge 0
bbtype 1
default_username green-light@service.btclick.com
default_authtype 1
default_idleouttime 0

Here I see the default_username green-light@service.btclick.com,

Further down under ppp0 I see my idnet username correctly where I have put xxx.yyyy@idnet.zzz for the purpose of posting on a public forum:

ppp0 modid: 14 parentid: 12 flags: 0 run level: 6 > 10

authtype 1
idleouttime 0
username xxx.yyyy@idnet.zzz

This was username submitted using the, "Java in the address bar" approach that David was asking about.
I am surprised to still see any reference to green-light@service.btclick.com.

What does the collective expertise make of this one?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 20:16:10
Hi Les havnt connected mine yet just waiting to ensure the issues with Bt are sorted then I will try it,but my speeds are good since leaving Tiscali (phone) been buzzing along 5.4 today so I doubt if I can improve on this but it will be interesting......fun this  :whistle:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on May 14, 2008, 20:24:24
Quote
I am surprised to still see any reference to green-light@service.btclick.com.

What does the collective expertise make of this one?

The Provisioning Information for the various ISPs is hard coded into the firmware and the Activation Key Code then sets up the router for a particular ISP.

All BT firmwares come with a default username green-light@service.btclick.com, which is in fact a test logon name.

The listings in Advanced – Provisioning Information: are not the data currently being used by the router, but the data that would be used after a Factory Reset and as such cannot be altered.

All users have to input their personal logon details,  by using the Setup Wizard or the unofficial  Javascript routine.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 14, 2008, 21:04:38
The Provisioning Information for the various ISPs is hard coded into the firmware and the Activation Key Code then sets up the router for a particular ISP.

All BT firmwares come with a default username green-light@service.btclick.com, which is in fact a test logon name.

Ah thanks for the explanation. I first saw green-light@service.btclick.com after the factory reset I did before getting my credentials in while getting the setting in.

The listings in Advanced – Provisioning Information: are not the data currently being used by the router, but the data that would be used after a Factory Reset and as such cannot be altered.

The credentials I entered namely my idnet username is futher down the page under Advanced – Provisioning Information and this would be lost by a Factory Reset for sure so not everything is data that is not currently being used from what I can see.

All users have to input their personal logon details,  by using the Setup Wizard or the unofficial  Javascript routine.

I did the latter because I did not encounter the Wizard the way I set mine up but I guess this makes no difference to what you end up with under Advanced – Provisioning Information. Is this correct?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 14, 2008, 21:16:42
Hi Les havnt connected mine yet just waiting to ensure the issues with Bt are sorted then I will try it,but my speeds are good since leaving Tiscali (phone) been buzzing along 5.4 today so I doubt if I can improve on this but it will be interesting......fun this  :whistle:

Come on quit stalling  ;) and give it a go.  ;D

If you recall my generous ebay seller gave me two for the price of one and having got one working fine in my over confidence I did something wrong in the second one and ended up with a "Stale Connection".  :rant2:

With the BT 2700 this is what looks like web page saying you can't connect to the web.

I had read about this and left it half an hour, time I spent going over my settings and discovering that I had not submitted one set of entries despite believing I had!  :blush:

As soon as I tried it again away it went and this is the one I have been using ever since. :thumb:

Just power the Netgear down by switching of at the mains wall socket. I have been told by Rik that this way it does not look like a fault. Move the ADSL connection from the Netgear to the 2700 and power it up. Wait for it to boot-up and negotiate the line and you will be away. If not repeat the process and put the Netgear back.

Come on it will take you five minutes at the most. Then you will be able to relax and enjoy.  :thumb:

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 14, 2008, 22:23:07
Just power the Netgear down by switching of at the mains wall socket. I have been told by Rik that this way it does not look like a fault.

That is certainly correct! The remaining voltage in the cable and router circuts is just enough for the router to send a dying gasp to the exchange!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 14, 2008, 23:37:26
Hi Les havnt connected mine yet just waiting to ensure the issues with Bt are sorted then I will try it,but my speeds are good since leaving Tiscali (phone) been buzzing along 5.4 today so I doubt if I can improve on this but it will be interesting......fun this  :whistle:

Just tried connecting but it wouldnt connect to the internet red light on,had a look,(for what do I know) shows 5312 down  448 upetc....it shows on the page "interleaved" any thoughts...
I think I set it right earlier ???
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on May 15, 2008, 07:53:05
Just tried connecting but it wouldnt connect to the internet red light on,had a look,(for what do I know) shows 5312 down  448 upetc....it shows on the page "interleaved" any thoughts...
I think I set it right earlier ???

If the bottom light is red, you are failing the login process; this may be the BT problem referred to yesterday, but it is more likely that your setup data contains an error.

If the red light is still showing this morning got to the resets page (http://192.168.1.254/xslt?PAGE=J21) and select RESET ISP Connection and see if you get a green light, if not try a few more times.

If that failed, then the router is set up wrong.

In you browser enter HOME in the address line and on that page select RUN SYSTEM SETUP WIZARD,
 
  Enter the Key Code 528Y 27G4 A222 22BJ B22V  and then select ADVANCED not NEXT.

  On the next page Select Time Zone,  (GMT) and select Next

  In Select Connection Type select PPPoA from the drop-down choices and then as follows
  VPI = 0
  VCI = 38
  ATM Encapsulation = Routed VC -Mux

 Enter your IDNet user name and password then select Next

Your router will then connect to IDNet
 
 
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 15, 2008, 08:05:40
It is probably a username/password problem. Double check those first!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 08:12:07
AAMOI, if Windows is set to use either the IDNet or OpenDNS servers, would home etc be resolved correctly?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on May 15, 2008, 08:34:55
AAMOI, if Windows is set to use either the IDNet or OpenDNS servers, would home etc be resolved correctly?

Unless the Windows Hosts file has been altered to re-direct Home to elsewhere then it resolves to the router home page, I have no idea how !   
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 15, 2008, 08:37:53
There must be an entry built into the routers own private DNS table. If Windows doesn't know better, it'll pass the request to the router, which knows what to do with it.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 08:39:42
Interesting. So, effectively, Windows uses the router as a tertiary DNS server even if you don't tell it to. That could have security implications.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 15, 2008, 08:51:24
That would be my guess, anyway. I'm not sure how real the security implications are. I would imagine that the routers private DNS entries are built into firmware and non editable.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 15, 2008, 08:54:32
If you do not pass DNS requests to the router, i.e. you define DNSs in Windows, home and gateway.2wire.net do not work.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 08:55:11
That would be my guess, anyway. I'm not sure how real the security implications are. I would imagine that the routers private DNS entries are built into firmware and non editable.

I was thinking of the issue with the 2700 being hijacked, Lance. We thought that could be overcome by using Windows to handle DNS, but perhaps that method is not as robust as it appeared.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 08:55:52
If you do not pass DNS requests to the router, i.e. you define DNSs in Windows, home and gateway.2wire.net do not work.

That's what I thought should be happening. Thanks, Sebby.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 15, 2008, 08:57:27
What Sebby said!  ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 15, 2008, 08:59:13
NP. Therefore, defining the DNSs in Windows does improve security a lot on this router (I've also changed the IP range used).
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 15, 2008, 09:00:29
I haven't and I haven't! I like living dangerously!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 15, 2008, 09:01:07
You rebel. :P
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 15, 2008, 09:01:44
:lol:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 09:38:48
I havnt a clue what all that was about.now,and bear with me when I follow the instructions above I will assume it will be online,whilst I type in the details ie connected to the phone line unlike yesterday.
I will try and boot it up first jusy in case it was yesterdays prblem with Bt.

Now if I do this and it wont work,will I still be alright to just replug the Netgear back in wihout fear of losing my connection.......

Or I can just blow it up  ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 09:40:46
The login problems are over, afaik, David, so yes you should be OK.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 09:43:32
The login problems are over, afaik, David, so yes you should be OK.

Thats ok then
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 10:21:30
The login problems are over, afaik, David, so yes you should be OK.

Getting somewhere passed a few now it wont accept password and username so will just check this out,but some progress,and its still raining  ;D

pppoa settings......now which password is for this is it  Email or my account details.... :-\
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 10:27:01
Are you trying to hit save after entering the username, David? That won't work.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 10:31:24
No Im on th eset up connection and just clicking on the next page Rik,the only message is username or password is wrong, so trying to work this out,the streaming red dots are now at least searchig for the connection....
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 15, 2008, 10:34:40
Instead of pressing the button, type in javascript:document.pagepost.submit() in the address bar and hit enter.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 10:35:16
So, did you enter the IDNet login info and use the javascript method to save it before connecting to the phone (assuming you have connected to the phone)?

Or what Sebby said. ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 10:44:44
Success  ;D ;D followed kinmel and typed in the things and entered username added a password (for the router)and it all came to life.....is that it Rik?

Will my laptop find the new connection now and any other changes needed it invited me to set up firewall so I left it for a moment....

Or is it all done now  :D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on May 15, 2008, 10:45:14


pppoa settings......now which password is for this is it  Email or my account details.... :-\

The user name is the account details  someone@uk.idnet.dsl4

david is using the System Setup Wizard by the sound of things, the javascript won't parse that.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 10:46:41
David is probably someone@idnet.gw5...
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 11:00:35
The user name is the account details  someone@uk.idnet.dsl4

david is using the System Setup Wizard by the sound of things, the javascript won't parse that.

 :karma: :ithank: just struggling with wireless now.. :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 11:02:59
David is probably someone@idnet.gw5...

 :karma: :ithank:  I think I deserve one of these  :grn: not David again
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 11:06:55
just struggling with wireless now.. :thumb:

Struggling in what way?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 11:15:28
My laptop is asking for the access key for the wireless connection and the light on the router "wireless" is not flashing or lit ?

So Im looking to get the 2  to talk with each other
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 11:18:21
Have you set up the access key in the router?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 11:46:13
No not yet Rik
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 11:52:03
You need to do that first, then connect.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 11:54:37
Have you set up the access key in the router?

How Im floundering around here.is the access key on a list in the router set up wireless menu Rik.
will keep delving  :fingers:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 15, 2008, 12:02:43
You need to enable security in the wireless settings. I'd recommend WPA, and use the default key. You'll find the key on a label on the router (it's a number). :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 12:03:20
Got to:

http://home/xslt

You should see a screen something like the one below (mine's on SBC firmware, so there will be some differences). Enter the key there.

[attachment deleted by admin]
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 15, 2008, 12:11:41
This should be the correct page: http://home/xslt?PAGE=C05&THISPAGE=C01&NEXTPAGE=C05

Select: Use custom pass phrase and then type your own in the box.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 12:13:04
That is the correct URL, Lance, I wonder why I got the short version first time round?

I'm with Lance, David. Use your own key, preferably 20 characters or more.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 15, 2008, 12:14:40
I got the short version too, but pressed back and it gave me the full path. It must be to keep things tidy.

PS I noticed you have blurred your network name in the top left, but you might want to do the same on the top right!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 12:16:40
How very true, thanks. :)

Rik
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 12:25:25
That is the correct URL, Lance, I wonder why I got the short version first time round?

I'm with Lance, David. Use your own key, preferably 20 characters or more.

I have already used the access key from the base of the hub and its fine Rik,so I am alright now I think  ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 12:34:05
I think its all sorted now Rik but may have found a reason why the desktop adapter was losing speed,there is a problem when I take the ethernet cable out,laptop works fine so later on will investigate but message reads  connectivity you may not be able to connect to the internet so will reinstall this one late its not an issue and can wait for this evening or another day the main thing is this router is working fine now thanks for all your patience..Kaspersky didn't help but got around this   ;D ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 12:36:11
Presumably the desktop needs the new key entered once you switch from the cable to wireless, David?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 14:55:58
I have done all this Rik dont know if you recall,but some time ago I discovered that,at the time using Netgear,that there was quite a speed loss to my desktop when I used wireless hence the seeds of changing router,well,there has been no change in this as all this time this machine has been connected with Ethernet cable,well today I unleashed it from the cable using the new router and no connection to the internet and yet when I check hovering the mouse over the icon on desktop shows connection excellent and when I go into the adapter all is as it should be so,something is not right,but I think you and Simon and sebby exhausted all avenues,I tried today with a spare,known to be good,adapter but still get the message re connectivity issue and yet windows cannot repair the connection,so I will leave this as the problem may even be when the machine was made....never mind......Im in your debt once again to you and all the peeps who have contributed,many thanks.......and it dosnt look like I have lost any speed,

 :thnks: all.really appreciate all your help......Not leaving out James...fantastic service  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 15:39:56
So do you want to try and fix the wireless, or are you going to stick with a cable, David?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 16:23:01
So do you want to try and fix the wireless, or are you going to stick with a cable, David?
Just had a look Rik and although the connection strength is excellenthave gone into properites on the connections and it states that no network address has been assigned to this computor ?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 16:27:52
Well, we know the basic Windows networking setup is OK, because it works with a cable. We know that the wireless side of two routers is OK because it works with other computers. That suggests that there's either a hardware or software fault with the wireless card, David. I'd suggest your try removing and re-installing its software as a first step. Do you use Windows or the manufacturer's software to make the connection?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 16:30:09
The manufaturers software Rik CD job
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 16:39:24
What happens if you use the Windows wireless client instead?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 16:40:22
Never used this before Rik is it simple ?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 16:54:10
If you look in Control panel, you should find a wireless network setup wizard - usually the last icon. Just run that. TBH, I'm not that strong on wireless, I prefer cabled connections, but when I have set up wireless, that's all I've had to do if the drivers are installed properly. Do check the properties for the connection and make sure you have the WLAN transport installed and that, on the wireless network tab, you have "Use Windows to configure my wireless network settings" checked.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 16:58:38
Thanks Rik will give it a go not too bothered as am going to site this desktop soon and it will be next to phone socket and all the others are fine...just getting over Simon sending my blood pressure up  ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 17:01:42
just getting over Simon sending my blood pressure up  ;D

Uh?

The properties screen should look like this:

[attachment deleted by admin]
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 17:07:31
Thats a help,thanks Rik will have a go at that.. :karma:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 17:34:08
Done it  :evilb: :banana2: :thup: :thup: :thup: after all this time finally fixed it and its fast...it was wep but once put this key code in worked a treat........have a  :choc:

Now where is that joke book of Les and Tommy ?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 17:37:54
Got there!!!! :happy:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 15, 2008, 17:38:49
:congrats:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Lance on May 15, 2008, 17:42:44
Glad you've got there in the end, David. Now just sit back and enjoy!!!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 17:47:11
It was a good learning curve thanks for everything  :thumb: and Rik take a bow for curing the wireless problem which has been here since I had the first router  :bow:



Eat your heart out Tiscali  >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Steve on May 15, 2008, 17:48:14
No time to sit back, I will miss out on the entertainment. What's the next project ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 15, 2008, 17:48:37
Now where is that joke book of Les and Tommy ?
Now less of the Les joke and whose this Tommy Trinder CBE anyway!  ;)

Well what a challenging day you have had David, I am just catching up with the events but a great result in the end. Well done and  :karma:

 
Now just for the record, well whose thread is it anyway  ;D my loss of connection appears to have become a daily event, still circa 9 AM.

INF  2008-05-15T08:56:02+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-15T08:56:40+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-15T08:57:02+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 15, 2008, 17:50:53
It has to be something electrical switching, but I fear that finding it and curing it are going to be the hard part, Les. Does it happen at weekends too?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 17:55:42
Now less of the Les joke and whose this Tommy Trinder CBE anyway!  ;)

Well what a challenging day you have had David, I am just catching up with the events but a great result in the end. Well done and  :karma:

 
Now just for the record, well whose thread is it anyway  ;D my loss of connection appears to have become a daily event, still circa 9 AM.

INF  2008-05-15T08:56:02+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-15T08:56:40+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-15T08:57:02+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0


Thanks Les..........your all stars on here hope I can do the same for someone one day.great to part of this place  ;D ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 15, 2008, 17:59:21
Now just for the record, well whose thread is it anyway  ;D my loss of connection appears to have become a daily event, still circa 9 AM.

INF  2008-05-15T08:56:02+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-15T08:56:40+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-05-15T08:57:02+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0


It certainly sounds like something local, but finding it could be tough. :(
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on May 15, 2008, 19:22:06
Done it  :evilb: :banana2: :thup: :thup: :thup: after all this time finally fixed it and its fast...it was wep but once put this key code in worked a treat........have a  :choc:

Now where is that joke book of Les and Tommy ?

Well done, it's always good when another gremlin is beaten down  :thumb:

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 19:36:39
No time to sit back, I will miss out on the entertainment. What's the next project ;D
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: plugging in a pc  ;D ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 15, 2008, 20:12:57
Does it happen at weekends too?

It did last Sunday but as it only started on Monday the 5 May this weekend will only be the second one.

I might try rebooting the router on Sunday morning just for the hell of it.  :)

It certainly sounds like something local, but finding it could be tough. :(

With no one in at home and nothing of mine timed to switch at 9-o-clock it is going to be tough. I guess it could be almost anywhere on the cable route from me to the exchange but if that is the case there must be other folks affected too. Could be a case of put up with it. :(
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 15, 2008, 23:55:51
Well done, it's always good when another gremlin is beaten down  :thumb:



Thanks Alan apprciate your help  :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 16, 2008, 00:54:36
With no one in at home and nothing of mine timed to switch at 9-o-clock it is going to be tough. I guess it could be almost anywhere on the cable route from me to the exchange but if that is the case there must be other folks affected too. Could be a case of put up with it. :(

Hopefully, it'll be one of those problems that just disappears. :fingers:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 16, 2008, 20:59:20
Eat your heart out Tiscali  >:D >:D >:D

I second that whole heartedly being ex-Tiscali too.  :shake:

I really want them out of my system and it is many weeks since I last had a look on their Broadband "Service" Support Forum at the misery any number of their remaining victims are suffering  :( but they just won't let go of me.

I had their telephone service as a separate account to my broadband and closed both accounts at the same time. I paid for the broadband by direct debit and the Smart Talk account by on-line bank transfer using a sort code and an account number Tiscali provided to me when they took over my telephone account.
When I left BT (apart from the line rental) I started with Cable & Wireless that migrated through the likes of ntl and nPower before arriving at Tiscali.

Throughout last year they kept saying I had not paid my telephone bill. This happened at least three times and once when I had been away on holiday they pursued me for £0.99 yes ninety-nine pence! I had my bank trace one payment, which they willingly did right into Tiscali's account. Each time after months of hassle they admitted that they had received my payments one and all. At Christmas they told me that paying them by on-line bank transfer was not possible! Something I had been doing since circa 2004! So I filled out a direct debit mandate but they never implemented it. So when the invoice for the final settlement arrived I sent them a cheque with the tear off Giro from the bottom of the invoice in the self addressed envelope they provided with a first class stamp of my own on it.

This cheque to the value of £6.22 (and another for £0.72 to settle the broadband account) have never appeared on my bank statement and this was months ago, end of February early March!

After about a month I received a reminder about the £6.22 they said I still owed them. So I emailed  and was told that their "white mail" (yes "mail" not "male" before you ask) was being transferred overseas" and not to worry because this was causing delays in the processing of some payments.

After another month came a "Notice of Suspension" (by now the line they were going to suspend was back with BT). In this letter they said that if I didn't pay up they would be passing the debt to a debt collection agency. So with copies to ofcom and BBC Watchdog, I emailed, wrote, and even rang them on one of their expensive, dreaded 0871 numbers and was told not to worry that there were hold ups processing postal correspondence as this activity was being transferred to Manila. I was assured that I would not be put on a bad debtors list but what comfort can I take from a harassed call centre operative, who was overly keen to terminate the call and did in fact put the phone down on me when I was asking why, if there was no need to worry, did they persist in sending out these letters. I never did get this point answered and at this time the matter remains unresolved.  :thumbd:

Thank goodness for IDNet. They restore faith in this industry that I can think of no other provider that I have come across doing.  :thumb:

Sorry about the whinge. Maybe this should have been in "Rant & Rave" but Davids remark in this thread triggered me and I have said before that I am not one to use two words when ten will do!  ;)

David scrub the above, I have just read your:

http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=8011.msg173457#msg173457

My troubles with Tiscali are trivial! For hanging in there my friend!  :karma:
I see you fought and won a good result!  :thumb:

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 16, 2008, 21:14:18
I had a similar package Les and the last phone bill was for 12.22 and I always paid DD when the final bill came in I studied it and found that in fact although this was correct,they had taken a months broadband when they should not have,when I left I allowed for that months billing cycle and paid Knowingly but when the rolled it over again.I accessed my tiscali account online got a copy of the final couple of months and Emailed this all to it.....once I was safely back with Bt I closed the DD and asked Tiscali for a refund of the difference
knowing they would not but | thought I would have a bit of sport with them,just re balance the scales a little.

Never heard from them....I too used to go back to read the forum,never posted on there really but the misery is or was getting worse and the replies were all the same ones I had heard so many times.
I dont pop in any more but I do feel for some of the people trapped there.....
On the plus side I owe them a debt of gratitude..............I found IDnet so maybe it was all worth it after all  ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 16, 2008, 21:19:22

Never heard from them....I


Go threaten to put them on a bad debtors list just for me!  ;)


On the plus side I owe them a debt of gratitude..............I found IDnet so maybe it was all worth it after all  ;)

A very true statement with which I can only concur 100%  :)

 
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 16, 2008, 21:32:24
Not worth your blood pressure Les..............if they don't want to cash your cheque as long as you have proof of postage and are not giving them the runaround no one is going to come after you.......relax  ;D ;D


Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 16, 2008, 21:50:42
Not worth your blood pressure Les..............if they don't want to cash your cheque as long as you have proof of postage and are not giving them the runaround no one is going to come after you.......relax  ;D ;D




I am certainly not losing sleep over the matter   :no:  and knowing Tiscali I did put the cheque, Giro and envelope on my scanner before I sent the originals to them but I did not think to use recorded delivery!

It's their inefficiency and total lack of customer care that annoys me. The hollow apologies in every email that answer nothing and the cynical way they take you money on 0871 numbers is evil.  >:D

 
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 16, 2008, 21:55:44
Never used that number when I sussed it,Emails only this way I have a copy of time ,date etc and it has not cost a penny.............. ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 17, 2008, 10:41:29
Ah, the wonders of ADSL. :)

Never a truer word said. 

This morning I have now had two days without losing sync. at 9-o-clock!

Do you think I router overheard me type that I was thinking about rebooting it tomorrow!  ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 17, 2008, 10:45:57
Or BT finished the work they were doing or... This is part of the frustration, Les, we often never find out what happened. A couple of weeks back, my line suddenly degraded. Support talked to BT, who weren't interested as I was performing above FTR, so as far as they were concerned, there was no fault. A day later the line recovered and I found BT working on the cable just up the road...
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: MoHux on May 17, 2008, 22:29:28
Or BT finished the work they were doing or... This is part of the frustration, Les, we often never find out what happened. A couple of weeks back, my line suddenly degraded. Support talked to BT, who weren't interested as I was performing above FTR, so as far as they were concerned, there was no fault. A day later the line recovered and I found BT working on the cable just up the road...

What happened to your 'Bacon Butty' technique?  Let you down?


Mo
 ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 18, 2008, 00:00:36
What happened to your 'Bacon Butty' technique?  Let you down?

He tried, but the wind was blowing the wrong way. :P
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on May 18, 2008, 00:13:03
What happened to your 'Bacon Butty' technique?  Let you down?


Mo
 ;D

This only works on that other isp pork pork  ;D ;D ;D


Talk,Talk cpw ?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 18, 2008, 00:15:06
This only works on that other isp pork pork  ;D ;D ;D


Talk,Talk cpw ?

:grn:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2008, 10:28:15
What happened to your 'Bacon Butty' technique?  Let you down?

You have to get the engineer on site first, Mo. ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 18, 2008, 12:06:01
Do you think I router overheard me type that I was thinking about rebooting it tomorrow!  ;)

My router must be psychic it jumped the gun and rebooted of its own accord this morning!
I have only just switched the PC on to see a router reboot over an hour ago!  :eyebrow:

Configuration
Key Code: 528Y-27G4-A222-22BJ-B22V
System Time: Sunday, May 18, 2008
11:57:38 AM
GMT Daylight Time
Time Since Last Boot: 0  days  01: 21: 38
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 18, 2008, 12:10:37
It's not got SBC firmware has it, Les?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 18, 2008, 14:28:43
IIRC, Les has a dual SSID, but I could be wrong!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 18, 2008, 20:30:20
IIRC, Les has a dual SSID, but I could be wrong!
Yes Rik, Sebby is right I do have the dual SSID one but despite the goings on over the last couple of weeks each time I have reconnected it has been at above 4000 kbps so my IP Profile has been maintained. I have just run a BT test with this result so I am not complaining:  :no:

Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test:  -provides background information.
    IP profile for your line is - 3500 kbps
    DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM)  4224 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
    Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 3267 kbps

Ever since putting in the filtered master socket and running the dedicated CAT5 twisted pair from it to my 2700 my IP Profile has not dropped below 3500.

I do still fear an event causing a resync at or after dusk would result in a connection rate below 4000 kpbs and the resultant drop in my IP Profile. I know I am not alone in this predicament and that is a comfort. The understanding that I have come to have, from the explanations and help I have received from the members of this forum, makes it all the more tolerable.  :)

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Steve on May 18, 2008, 21:06:42
How do we confirm whether the loss of connection is related to external noise or a problem perhaps related to the router itself i.e faulty. From my own personal experience using a speedtouch 585v6 which indeed performs better on my "short" line than the 2700 HGV BT (higher profile and throughput) it will throw a wobbly every 2-10 days and reset itself. I have absolutely no idea why, but it always comes back with the exact same margin and sync rate and obviously since my profile is right for my sync rate and as these events do not occur often my connection does not suffer. Even using routerstats I have never seen more than a 5% swing in margin. Going of the topic evenmore a previous firmware for the 585v6 had a "flaky" DHCP server which was put down as the cause for frequent resets. Surely the 2700 HGV on an individual basis cannot be immune from similar issues.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 18, 2008, 21:26:16
Surely the 2700 HGV on an individual basis cannot be immune from similar issues.

I agree with this probability Steve but before I had ADSLMax my previous "Mk1" Netgear DG384 would stay up for hundreds of hours without so much as a blink on the fixed rate 2 Mbps package I had from my previous IPS.

This is why I think it is most likely to be associated with the more temperamental nature of ADSL lines rather than a hardware problem but I am open to correction on this. I certainly have found the 2700 to be more stable on my ADSLMax line than the Netgear was.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on May 19, 2008, 09:26:32
Since 1984, I've been muttering "comms is a dark art", and it remains so. We don't have the diagnostic equipment to decide whether a sync dropping is down to a router issue, a mains spike, external noise, a fault on the line or the DSLAM suffering from hay fever. All we can ever do is make an educated guess, based on eliminating as many variables as possible.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on May 25, 2008, 21:44:05
Today it is one week since the unexplained reboot of my Dual SSID 2700 and ever since that event my connection has been rock solid again. Not one of the disconnects I was seeing in the days leading up to the reboot!   :)

Logs filling up crossed my mind having read about this being speculated in another thread. The possibility of BT works affecting me but there is nothing that I can put a finger on to tie this down. It's back to wait and see I guess.  ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on May 25, 2008, 22:51:06
It looks like it probably was just a glitch, for which there is no explanation. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Jun 21, 2008, 23:17:34
Just an update for the record as all's well with what I now know is my Single SSID 2Wire,
Model: BT2700HGV that includes
Hardware Version: 2701-100588-005
Current Software: 5.29.107.19

My System Summary shows:
System Time: Saturday, June 21, 2008
11:06:35 PM GMT Daylight Time
Time Since Last Boot: 20  days  14: 19: 08

There are two minor incidents in the event log as follows:

INF  2008-06-03T20:44:06+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-06-04T19:15:31+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-06-04T19:17:16+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0
INF  2008-06-04T22:38:19+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
.
.
.
INF  2008-06-13T21:33:24+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-06-14T08:56:06+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-06-14T08:56:43+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-06-14T08:57:01+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0
INF  2008-06-14T10:44:43+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page


Note the latter incident was cira 9 AM again so there is definitely some that happens in my locality at or about 9 AM on some mornings that I cannot bottom out!

These are tonight's Stats:
DSL                            Down            Up
Current Rate:              4416 kbs      448 kbs 
Max Rate:  4416 kbs     1048 kbs 
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin:    6.0 dB        25.0 dB 
Current Attenuation:     41.2 dB       27.0 dB 
Current Output Power:  19.2 dBm    11.9 dBm 


All in all I am satisfied with the improvements I have obtained by moving from my Netgear DG834 (mk1) to this my 2Wire 2700 ADSL Modem/Router.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Jun 22, 2008, 00:05:54
It could be a difficult one to solve, Les. If it doesn't cause any problems, it's not too much of a worry. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: g7pkf on Jun 22, 2008, 17:44:24
Oh dear....

i sell a stuff on ebay.

I always try to include version numbers if possibe!

The wife is a shopoholic and if it sits around in the box (still sealed) or in the case of clothes in wardrobe still with tags on i sell it as new--it might be 2 years old but as far as i am concerned new means never used.

as for new old stock scenario i also buy the occasional job lots etc from various sources (mainly from customers on my travels) now if it's still sealed unused its new, it might be 20 firmware versions out of date but hey its unused therefore new....

I may open the box and update the firmware to latest but i always state this in the advert.

Lots of times i go into the likes of costco currys dixons etc and see televisions etc in there severly discounted.

now a few times on items like this i looked into it and the respective models are no longer manufactured and a new model has taken their place..sometimes by 6 months

do currys comet costco etc etc tell you there new old stock...NOT ON YOUR NELLIE.....WTFSi (why the f should i)


if in doubt

ask questions.

I am trying to get hold of a netgear wg602 version 3, and i am asking sellers what version they are selling as they normally do not say. now v4 has been out for about a year lots are saying new unopened v3 and selling as new is it new or used.....answer if still sealed NEW.


But yes i do sometimes also say new unused old stock.

My thoughts on all this change regularly (usually get the ar*e just after ive been ripped off)--said new and OBVIOUSLY BEEN USED
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Jun 22, 2008, 18:11:52
it might be 2 years old but as far as i am concerned new means never used.
Sounds fair Dean but this item of mine was not boxed nor bagged or sealed in any way and jaded was my best way of describing it. Still as I said no worries since it worked OK.

I assume your reply was intended for this post:

http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=8556.msg197332#msg197332

otherwise :conf: and simply adding to it with this reply of mine!  :lol:

BTW on that post I felt sure you would have a view on the PSU rating/current demand point.  ???
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Jun 23, 2008, 21:41:37
There are two minor incidents in the event log as follows:

INF  2008-06-03T20:44:06+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-06-04T19:15:31+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-06-04T19:17:16+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0
INF  2008-06-04T22:38:19+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
.
.
.
INF  2008-06-13T21:33:24+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page
INF  2008-06-14T08:56:06+01:00  sys:  dsl0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-06-14T08:56:43+01:00  sys:  ppp0: connection lost, reconnecting...
INF  2008-06-14T08:57:01+01:00  sys:  ppp0: Up with ipv4 service on pppoa0
INF  2008-06-14T10:44:43+01:00  sys:  Successfully logged into a password protected page


OK maybe its sad  :( but I have been trolling through the information in the Management and Diagnostic Console of my 2700 again and under Troubleshooting – DSL Diagnostics at:

http://gateway.2wire.net/xslt?PAGE=J42&THISPAGE=J11&NEXTPAGE=J42

I see Training History and lo and behold the incident at 08:56 that I refer to above is there in all its glory  :thumb: complete with the Rate before (4448) and the Rate immediately after (4416) the Rate that has been maintained to date and is shown with todays date and the current time each time I refresh the page.  :)

This Training History info I have found is best displayed in Excel so if you fancy a look I have attached my xls document.

Could these mysterious interruptions I have experienced be down to my line undergoing some sort of training?
I have in mind the "training" that goes on during the first 10 days of a new ADSL connection but for me that was long ago.  ???


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Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Steve on Jun 23, 2008, 22:08:27
Hi Les As far as I know dynamic line management continues after the training process. The purpose of the training process being to set the maximum stable rate and the fault threshold rate.So presumably the dslam has dropped your sync rate to maintain snr .(thinking out loud)??
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Jun 23, 2008, 22:14:19
Hi Les As far as I know dynamic line management continues after the training process. The purpose of the training process being to set the maximum stable rate and the fault threshold rate.So presumably the dslam has dropped your sync rate to maintain snr .(thinking out loud)??
Interesting Steve and certainly food for thought, thanks.  :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Jun 23, 2008, 22:23:24
Training is effectively just a term. It is just a period where BT don't have to investigate instability (it's a bit more than this, but that's basically what it is). The DLM is identical during the "training" period and once this period has finished.

If you are losing sync and reconnecting at a similar speed, it indicates surges of noise.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Jun 24, 2008, 21:40:09
If you are losing sync and reconnecting at a similar speed, it indicates surges of noise.
Yes I see, I am gradually getting a better understanding of these things.

Having had yet another look at my "Training History" I see numbers under:

Mgn1 Noise margin at start of connection
Mgn2 Current or final noise margin

As follows:
   Time             Line             Rate   Max1   Max2   Max3   Mgn1   Mgn2
2008/06/14 08:56:06 BST   1   4448   4468   3952   3952   12.1   5
2008/06/14 08:56:14 BST   1   0   0   0   0   0   0
2008/06/23 21:18:53 BST   1   4416   4444   3220   3220   12.1   9

The Mgn2 at 5 dB on th 14th at 8:56:06 is evidence of such a noise burst. Intriguing!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Jun 24, 2008, 21:41:55
It certainly looks that way. :)

A couple of years ago, this stuff used to confuse the hell out of me, but once you start looking into it, it does make sense. I think a lot of it, especially SNRM, targets, etc, is quite a difficult concept to grasp.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Jun 25, 2008, 08:34:13
especially SNRM, targets, etc, is quite a difficult concept to grasp.
I see another router's stats (I think it was a Linksys) in another thread reporting noise as SNR (dB)

If this is what it appears to be the number quoted should be absolute Signal to Noise Ratio as opposed to the Noise Margins other routers like the 2Wire and my old Netgear report. I guess bigger is better but if Margin is too big it could result in a lower sync speed.

I have come to think of Noise Margin as the overhead you have in hand over and above the number at which your line should be stable. Signal to Noise Ratio is absolute in that it should be the ratio of how big your signal is (the signal strength if you like) compared to the background noise (white noise) present in the line due to cross-talk, pick-up, interference call it what you like.

I have used the analogy before to the merriment of some but for me  it's similar to a daffodil in a field of grass. If the daffodil is the signals and the grass is the noise, the height of the daffodil above the height of the grass i.e. the difference in height, is the Noise Margin while the height of the daffodil divided by the height of the grass is the Signal to Noise Ratio. (All expressed in decibels of course) Any advance on that?  ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Jun 25, 2008, 11:02:43
No, William. ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Jun 25, 2008, 13:14:16
:lol:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Jul 06, 2008, 15:43:43
Having entered a spell, hopefully a brief one, of unexplained router reboots including the one I complained of elsewhere that lost me 500 Kbps from my IP Profile the other evening, I decided that I would have another go with the MTU in my Router and the PC's TCP/IP set at 1500 instead of the 1458 that I have put my faith in until now.

So far so good and in fact changing the MTU setting in the Router did not force a reboot, which is what I was expecting and had been deterring me before.

I used TCPOptimizer.exe from Speed Guide inc and let the PC reboot to apply the new settings i.e. Registry changes. Once I had my ducks all in a row namely an MTU of 1500 set in the Router and the PC I used TCPOptimizer's Largest MTU tab with www.bbc.co.uk as the destination for the pings and clicked the Start button. Result 1500 MTU was confirmed as OK.  :thumb:

I retried with www.idnet.com and www.google.co.uk with the same result and have been working with the new setting quite happily for some little while now.  :)

I was hoping to see an improvement in upload speed but this is not the case as I am still getting numbers like this:
Date 06/07/08 15:32:06
Speed Down 2813.63 Kbps ( 2.7 Mbps )
Speed Up 377.98 Kbps ( 0.4 Mbps )
Port 8095
Server speedtest2.adslguide.org.uk
Which is just the same Up as it was with the MTU set at 1458. :(


Note the Speed Down is still subject to BT's heavy handedness with my IP Profile. As was stated and restated in another thread it's a right PITA!  >:(

Here's a picture for anyone else who may want to experiment along these lines.

(BTW Simon and Lance the Spell Checker's just great now  :thnks: again)

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Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Jul 06, 2008, 15:46:38
Hi Les, have you managed a 5 day stable connection yet, your profile won't budge till you achieve that. I use 1500 throughout myself and have found it gives me a small advantage over 1458.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Jul 06, 2008, 15:46:54
I also have MTU set at 1500 on the router, and 1500 on my PC (the ping test reveals that 1500 is my optimal MTU). I find that I constantly get full speed for my profile. I get about 380k/sec upload. :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Jul 06, 2008, 15:52:03
Hi Les, have you managed a 5 day stable connection yet, your profile won't budge till you achieve that. I use 1500 throughout myself and have found it gives me a small advantage over 1458.
No not yet I am still waiting.  :(
Last time when I suffered the dreaded 135 Kbps BT let me out of jail after 3 days so  :fingers: for tomorrow.

I also have MTU set at 1500 on the router, and 1500 on my PC (the ping test reveals that 1500 is my optimal MTU). I find that I constantly get full speed for my profile. I get about 380k/sec upload. :thumb:
Yes I know this should be OK but lest it was finger trouble the last time I tried I had odd effects with some pages loading slowly or not at all as I recall.

As usual time will tell.

Any thoughts on the upload speed point?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Jul 06, 2008, 15:54:16
Upload speed looks fine unless you're on SuperMax, Les. You will get a faster profile lift if the speed gain is significant.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Jul 06, 2008, 15:57:13
Yep, I'd say it looks fine too.
Title: An Update
Post by: LesD on Jul 07, 2008, 20:03:34
Been up two days now since the last reboot, almost four since the one that docked my IP Profile:

System Time: Monday, July 7, 2008
07:42:25 PM
GMT Daylight Time
Time Since Last Boot: 2  days  00: 25: 00

With these stats:

DSL                           Down  Up
Current Rate:        4448 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:              4448 kbs   1052 kbs 
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin:  12.0 dB   25.0 dB 
Current Attenuation:  41.4 dB   27.0 dB 
Current Output Power:  19.4 dBm   11.9 dBm 

This evening the sky is ominous, looking thundery and the noise margin is up and down between 10 and 12 dB so who knows?  ???

The change to 1500 for my MTU is working out OK. I should have done it weeks ago and would have had I known that it would not incur a router reboot.

My IP Profile has recovered to 3500 kbps but the throughput is a bit down on some occasions but it is very likely congestion at my exchange at this time of the evening:

Test at 8:49 PM 7/7/8

Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test:  -provides background information.
    Your DSL connection rate: 4448 kbps(DOWN-STREAM),  448 kbps(UP-STREAM)
    IP profile for your line is - 3500 kbps  :thumb:
    Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 2905 kbps

BroadbandMax has just given me a better result (I like the BBmax Speed tester - I can't think why  :whistle: )

Results for speedtest    #1215460235
Date of Speed Test: 2008-07-07 20:50:35
Download Speed: 3489 kbps (436.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 366 kbps (45.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

The Upload Speed is none to special though.  :(


I hope you don't mind me posting all this stuff. As much as anything it gives me a nice easy place to refer back to if the need arises!  ;)




Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Jul 07, 2008, 20:33:20
The upload speed is pretty bang on, Les. I max out at about 380k/sec.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Jul 07, 2008, 20:58:00
The upload speed is pretty bang on, Les. I max out at about 380k/sec.
Yes I can agree with that sort of number as I was seeing 378 kbps pretty regularly myself.

I have done a search to remind myself where I got the idea from that a higher MTU would improve the Upload Speed and it was here in something Mo said:

(The 383 kbps he mentions a bit later on stuck in my head and has had me chasing it I guess  :blush: )

http://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=7506.msg156263#msg156263

It is qualified or maybe quantified later to relate to quite small differences that may even be swamped out from test to test or between different Speed Testers but I had forgotten the rest of this exchange of information.  :blush:  I just put it down to the passing of the years but getting the MTU setting up to 1500 is no bad thing. The bigger the bug...  :no: buffer the better what say you!   :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Jul 07, 2008, 21:49:57
I'm not sure it's the case that reducing the MTU reduces upload speed, Les. I wouldn't worry, I'd say you're getting pretty much the max. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Aug 02, 2008, 19:52:05
On Wednesday (30 July) I posted this over on Montala's thread, "Starting from cold!"


Time Since Last Boot: 25  days  01: 01: 32

Current Rate:  4448 kbs   448 kbs 
Current Noise Margin:  12.0 dB   25.0 dB 
Current Attenuation:  41.4 dB   27.0 dB


On Thursday evening maybe with Thunderstorms in the air or maybe not, my line dropped and reconnected below 4000 kbps.  :eek4:
I need 4000 kbps to keep the IP Profile I usually enjoy of 3500 kbps, so one again this profile dropped to 3000 kbps!  :mad: (good old BT  :rant2:)

When I had done for the evening I shutdown the PC and because the sync speed was low I switched off the router thinking that a reboot in the morning would reconnect at over the 4000 kbps and that after three days or so as in the past, I could claw my IP Profile back up to 3500 kbps.  :fingers:

This was not to be.  :thumbd:
Oh no BT's computer in its wisdom saw this one event on the Wednesday as a major noise event on my line and stuck my Noise Margin up to 15 db.  :rant2:
At this Noise Margin I have been unable to sync. above 4000 kbps so my IP Profile remains stuck at 3000 kbps  :rant2:

This is a typical for instance at the moment:

Quote

Current Rate:  3872 kbs   448 kbs 
Current Noise Margin:  15.0 dB   25.0 dB 
Current Attenuation:  41.5 dB   27.0 dB

When the noise margin started at 12 db by late evening it would be down to 7 or 8 db.
Now with it starting a 15 db it is typically 10 db by 10 to 10:30 PM.
It's so unnecessary and BT just please themselves even though they or not our ISP.
I know there are a number of us experiencing similar issue as I was spoilt for choice as to whose thread to post my displeasure in!  :rant2:

With all the :rant2: I have put here maybe I should have started a new thread over in "Rant & Rave".  (https://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv634%2FLesD123%2FSmile.gif&hash=75a01109ae6545f2fbdef22a72cc50ede16ac199)


P.S. After the incident on Thursday that was the catalyst for the reconnection the Current Attenuation went up 0.1dB from 41.4dB to the 41.5dB you will see above. Another one for the slowly but ever increasing attenuation mystery file!  ???
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Aug 03, 2008, 01:43:06
Unfortunately, this is one of the many annoyances with BT's systems. There's a chance the the target SNRM will drop automatically in 14 days if you hold sync, but it doesn't always work - it may be worth asking IDNet to see if they can get BT to lower it manually.

That said, if you are losing 5dB between the morning and evening, it sounds like there's quite a bit of noise around later on, so dropping the target SNRM might not be wise at this time as it may just cause instability, then you'll be back to square one!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Sep 11, 2008, 20:32:46
Since I posted on the 2nd of August my line has been pretty stable apart from one incident a couple of weeks ago when there was Thunder in the locality. Despite this the jump in my Noise margin to 15 dB has never reset.  :mad: I guess this is good old BT's fault yet again.

I am collecting router stats at the moment so that I can contact Support with a full picture to see if they can do anything about it. With the Noise Margin at 12 dB I could regularly synch in daylight at just under 4500 kbps but now I cannot get 4000 kbps so my IP Profile is stuck at 3000 instead of 3500 kbps where it used to be. This is just a backdoor way for BT to reduce throughput in my opinion! (Sharp practice or what?)  :rant2:

I see something in the order of a 6 dB difference after darkness falls so by 10 PM the Noise Margin currently will be about 9 db. When I was seeing 12 dB during the day it would be typically 6 dB after dark.

If I ask Support if I could target 9 dB during the day and it dropped by the 6 dB I see now would my line be unstable after dark at 3 dB say? The attraction of 9 dB is that it might let me synch at over 4500 kbps in daylight and get my IP Profile up to 4000 kbps but its a big if, because instability in the evening would mess it up completely. What a dilemma! What does the forum recommend?  ???
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Sep 12, 2008, 01:21:34
Primarily, IDNet may not even be able to get BT to set it manually. BT often believe that if the DLM has increased the target margin to 15dB, then it should stay like that.

If they were able to get them to do it, you right mention the issue of stability. Losing 6dB between day and night is quite large I'd say. That said, 3dB does not automatically mean that the router will lose sync; many people find that it will hold sync all the way down to 0, whilst others find that it drops a bit higher than that. It really depends on your line.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Sep 12, 2008, 09:39:11
Personally, Les, with that much noise, I'd go for stability rather than speed. The two 2700s I've had have not shown more than a 3db variation on my line, while my Netgear swung through 11db. If you're getting a 6db swing, I'd say the router would have its work cut out to maintain sync at 3db.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Sep 12, 2008, 15:56:35
Thanks for the replies Guys.  :thumb:

Maybe if I could get back to where I was with a Noise Margin of 12 dB I should content myself.
At the moment it is sitting there at 16 dB as it does pretty much all the time during daylight hours.

I have emailed support with all the information I could muster and am waiting for a reply but it's non-urgent so they can take their time from my point of view. (https://www.idnetters.co.uk/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv634%2FLesD123%2FSmile.gif&hash=75a01109ae6545f2fbdef22a72cc50ede16ac199)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Sep 12, 2008, 15:59:05
It's what I'd do, Les.  :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Sep 24, 2008, 21:14:34
Just an update.  :(

IDnet were very helpful and got BT to reset my target noise margin to 9 DB.  :thumb:

For almost 3 great days I was synching at over 4500 kbps, typically 4800 kbps, the best ever.  :)
At around 5 PM, before the dreaded onset of darkness on the third day, something unknown caused the noise margin to go back up to 15 dB and that was that. I am currently synching at 3744 kbps with an IP Profile of 3000 kbps as before.

So my hopes of improvement were not to be. :(

Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Sep 24, 2008, 21:33:23
This is where BT's systems are extremely frustrating. Unfortunately, BT will now say that because the ATM has put it up to 15dB again, that's where the line is stable. :(
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Glenn on Sep 24, 2008, 22:10:08
Just an update.  :(

IDnet were very helpful and got BT to reset my target noise margin to 9 DB.  :thumb:

For almost 3 great days I was synching at over 4500 kbps, typically 4800 kbps, the best ever.  :)
At around 5 PM, before the dreaded onset of darkness on the third day, something unknown caused the noise margin to go back up to 15 dB and that was that. I am currently synching at 3744 kbps with an IP Profile of 3000 kbps as before.

So my hopes of improvement were not to be. :(

Les, I'll swap your line with mine  ;)

Edit: Sorted quote
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Feb 11, 2009, 21:23:40
This is where BT's systems are extremely frustrating. Unfortunately, BT will now say that because the ATM has put it up to 15dB again, that's where the line is stable. :(

Despite some long stable spells since way back in September last year with sync speeds just below 3500 kbps (and an IP Proflie of 2500 kbps max to boot!) BT have kept my Noise Margin at 15 dB!  :mad:

So much for any continual reviewing and adjustment process!  :(

At 12 dB I used to be able to sycn well over 4000 kbps and get download throughput of just under 3500 kbps but alas no more.
BT's arrogant, heavy handed we know best attitude has scuppered this completly!  :thumbd:


This is what miffs me here are my stats at circa 9:30 PM. The Noise Margin is still 11 dB! OK down from 15 dB in the daylight hours but still way high.

DSL                    Down  Up
Current Rate:  3456 kbs   448 kbs 
Max Rate:      3456 kbs   1060 kbs 
Current Connection:
Current Noise Margin:   11.0 dB   25.0 dB 
Current Attenuation:    40.2 dB   26.0 dB 
Current Output Power:  18.9 dBm   11.9 dBm 
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Feb 12, 2009, 00:26:21
It might be worth having a word with IDNet, Les. Sometimes, they can convince BT to reset it.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on Feb 12, 2009, 08:46:51
Idnet had to get BT to reset my SNR back down four times in a month before it settled at 6dB again
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Feb 12, 2009, 12:52:43
I'm surprised they were willing to do it 4 times, Alan. :o
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Feb 12, 2009, 12:53:11
Or even once!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Sebby on Feb 12, 2009, 12:54:20
Indeed!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: g7pkf on Feb 12, 2009, 13:42:04
Hmm i wish BT could "lock" the snr.

i know i have a noisy line (coz of a certain virgin) i know i would get drop outs.

but from experiance it would be 3-6 a week if they locked it at 9dB, 1 a week at 12 and 30+ at 6dB.

i would live with 1 (and get a 4500 profile)

oh well such is life, Bloody Twits cannot do it as it's "an adaptive line", we only do 2meg fixed.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: kinmel on Feb 12, 2009, 13:58:06
I'm surprised they were willing to do it 4 times, Alan. :o

Just asked very nicely  and Idnet lived up to it's reputation and persuaded them  :thumb:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Feb 12, 2009, 14:28:17
You should see Miriam in action with the field telephone.  8)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Ross on Feb 23, 2009, 10:27:39
Hi All,

I had a little play with a 2700HGV (new version) to see what benefits I would have over my current Draytek 2820N router.

I have a pretty cr*ppy line really, although downstream noise is in the high 40's, I rarely get sync over 2272 and my target snr is 12 afaik.
The 2700 seems pretty stone age in terms of features (compared to the draytek), but I thought I would give it a try as my employer pays for all my equipment.... R&D  ;)

It's all up and running, sync was marginally better. So we will see how that goes over the coming weeks. I may get IDnet->BT to lower target SNR.

My questions is one of MTU. The 2700 router is set to 1500, but the speedguide.net test reports a lesser figure of 1460. My laptop is configured correctly and if I run the same test on the same machine at work, I get an MTU of 1500.

Is there something I need to change on the 2700?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Feb 23, 2009, 10:31:39
No, it's something that happens with Speedguide.net, Ross. I suspect that the routing to their server has a choke on it at some point, reducing the effective MTU to that site.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Ross on Feb 23, 2009, 10:34:38
Many Thanks!
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Steve on Feb 23, 2009, 22:03:10
If you  "ping -f -l 1472 www.google.co.uk "          you should get no packet fragmemtation indicating MTU can be set to 1500
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on Mar 02, 2009, 11:19:30
I recently changed my router as couldnt change some details reinstated my spare netgear and my speeds have fallen so later will try and change the ip address again this time not being plugged in I will follow Alans guide and hopefully it can be used again.

Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test:  -provides background information.
    Your DSL connection rate: 6144 kbps(DOWN-STREAM),  448 kbps(UP-STREAM)
    IP profile for your line is - 5000 kbps
    Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 4673 kbps

My usual speed is higher than this so hope this will give me back the speed I am used to would my profile have changed though ?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 02, 2009, 11:22:09
That profile is correct for the sync speed, David, throughput is about right for the profile.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on Mar 02, 2009, 11:23:56
Ok look at these though  :eek4:

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6001]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Users\David>ping idnet.net

Pinging idnet.net [212.69.36.10] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=59
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=59
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=59
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 212.69.36.10:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 40ms, Maximum = 40ms, Average = 40ms

C:\Users\David>
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 02, 2009, 11:24:42
Try a re-boot.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on Mar 02, 2009, 11:25:55
 :thumb: :ithank:




You sure you missed me Rik ? ;)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 02, 2009, 11:28:54
Of course.  :-*
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on Mar 02, 2009, 12:14:24
We all have our cross to bear and you drew the short straw   ;D ;D
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on Mar 02, 2009, 12:22:45
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6001]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Users\David> ping idnet.net

Pinging idnet.net [212.69.36.10] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=59
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=59
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=59
Reply from 212.69.36.10: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 212.69.36.10:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 37ms, Maximum = 39ms, Average = 38ms

C:\Users\David>

 :dunno:  Not to worry as I dont game but slightly high ?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 02, 2009, 12:23:12
We all have our cross to bear and you drew the short straw   ;D ;D

It's OK, I use a wide glass. :)
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 02, 2009, 12:24:16
    Minimum = 37ms, Maximum = 39ms, Average = 38ms

 :dunno:  Not to worry as I dont game but slightly high ?

ISTR your pings were in that region normally, David? It could be you have a congested VP.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on Mar 02, 2009, 12:39:14
ttp://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ggTv2kLpQFEC&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=congested+path&source=bl&ots=E8kOrweC36&sig

Im trying to gigest this.....

I have had pings as low as 22 in the past,this possibly due to the hub ?its just a talking point really.I learn from them you see
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 02, 2009, 12:46:22
The route between you and IDNet is called a virtual path because it's not a physical, hard-wired, connection, but can follow a number of routes depending on what is happening at the time you connect. If you hit a congested path, your pings increase. I saw it last week when, following a re-boot, pings went out to 30ms. A reset of the PPP session (always worth trying when running a 2700, as it doesn't affect sync), saw a shift to a different VP and pings returned to 21ms.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: David on Mar 02, 2009, 12:52:12
 :ithank: Givee it a go later  :thumb:
Title: The dreaded 12 day reboot but with BT firmware!
Post by: LesD on Mar 19, 2009, 20:54:49
Well I can't remember where but made mention of it somewhere on the forum before and now it look like it's right.  :(

My 2Wire 2700HGV single SSID router with the BT firmware 5.29.107.19 took another reboot in the wee small hours of yesterday morning at just about or maybe slightly over the 300 hours mark. I shall give it another 12 days and if it does it again I will get the spare out of the cupboard and see how that one fairs (or is it fares?) I never know.

I have had much longer than this on previous occasions and the only thing I have any recollection of changing was unticking
Excessive Session Detection under the Advanced Firewall Settings after reading that this was a good thing to do somewhere. Maybe it wasn't so I have put the tick back to see whether I can pass the dreaded 12 day mark like this. Straws and clutching I guess!  :dunno:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Mar 20, 2009, 04:20:35
Generally, it's been understood to be the SBC firmware that caused this. Perhaps it was a hardware issue after all?
Title: Well now I am sure!
Post by: LesD on Mar 31, 2009, 20:47:23
Last evening just about or just before I booted up my PC my 2700 took a reboot all of its own accord and this was in-line with the "12 day (300 hours)" reboot phenomenon and remember my router is using the BT firmware version 5.29.107.19!  :(

I took the following copies from the System Summary, Configuration section on Sunday evening just before the 12 days was up and then again last evening just over half an hour after the unscheduled reboot took place.

Quote
System Time: Sunday, March 29, 2009
09:40:06 PM
GMT Daylight Time
Time Since Last Boot: 11  days  10: 35: 19


System Time: Monday, March 30, 2009
10:18:45 PM
GMT Daylight Time
Time Since Last Boot: 0  days  00: 35: 31

Needless to say at that time of the evening my connection rate (sync speed) took a hit.  :rant2:

Sadly this has become a noticeably repeatable occurrence over 12 day periods for some time now.

So maybe you are right Rik and it is a hardware issue and in my case possibly due to some change/deterioration because I used to stay up for a month or more at a time when I first got this router. When I get a chance I will see if using my spare makes any difference. Of my two eBay acquisition the spare was described as the used one. The one currently in use was supposedly new and unused when I got it.  Since the spare has been used already it may be subject to the 12 reboot issue, who knows!  :dunno:
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Steve on Mar 31, 2009, 22:20:23
Possibly time for a newer twin ssid version?
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Mar 31, 2009, 22:54:40
Possibly time for a newer twin ssid version?
Yes Steve, the thought had crossed my mind but the V6 issue is a bit daunting.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 01, 2009, 08:09:24
What I took to doing, with my single SSID, SBC, version, Les, was to shut the router down every 12 days in the evening, re-booting the following morning. That meant the speed didn't take a hit.
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: LesD on Apr 01, 2009, 22:23:57

What I took to doing, with my single SSID, SBC, version, Les, was to shut the router down every 12 days in the evening, re-booting the following morning. That meant the speed didn't take a hit.

Yes I remember you saying that this is what you did and in the short term I shall most probably start doing the same thing.
Till now I have been letting it happen to make sure that is was the "12 day" reboot that had crept up on me and not something else being as how I am using BT firmware. I am now convinced that this is what it is. >:(
Title: Re: A 2Wire 2700 HGV BT Business Hub Router Wireless
Post by: Rik on Apr 02, 2009, 07:06:21
Which implies it was hardware all along and not, as we believed, firmware.

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